Post: #1

You put in some time. She likes you. She says, "I want to kiss you but I don't want to be a bad person."

What do you say?

Humor here isn't suitable for the mood.

Post: #2

(02-11-2012 11:52 PM)Roosh Wrote:  You put in some time. She likes you. She says "I want to kiss you but I don't want to be a bad person."

What do you say?

Humor here isn't suitable for the mood.

Get to the romantic. Immediately. So.

"A good person follows her heart. A bad person denies it."

Then you close kiss...approaching her gently but inevitably, then kissing lightly, then kissing moistly, then passionately.

Post: #3

That's a tough one.

If it's just the two of us. I make deep, concerned eye contact. Then I turn my head either way, as if looking at people who aren't there.

Look back into her eyes, grab her chin with my thumb and forefinger, pulling her face looking directly at me:
"Right now it's just the two of us. There's no one here to judge you."

Then I kiss her mouth, and pull back. I may pull her closer to me.

If possible, I get her moving again. If we're at my crib, I tell her to come over to the fridge to help me make her a drink. If we're lounging at a bar, I get her up and to another bar.

The main thing is to prevent her from staying stationary, as stationary people are more reflective.

Get her away from such heavy thoughts. It's thus crucial to get her body moving again.

Post: #4

Pretty much what Tenderman said. You should definitely project some serious emotion at her like desire or longing. It's the emotional connection that will seal the deal for you. She won't leave someone she loves unless it's for someone she loves more.

Post: #5

I had a similar question for Roissy when I was on an overnight cruise, though this was for after she had been kissed, but was resisting more. His answer:

Quote:She’s feeling like a cheap whore. As well she should. Your job, should you decide to accept it, is to communicate your nonjudgmentalism and the premium you place on secrecy in your affairs. “I believe that a good life, a fulfilled life, is one where we explore the possibilities, and never deny ourselves genuine happiness. There is nothing worse in life than regret, wouldn’t you agree?”

When she looks down, draw her attention away from her great shame. Take her hand and pull her to another location, point out the birghtness of the moon to her, and force her mind to occupy itself with positive feelings. You want to drown her guilt in a cascade of competing emotions. Venue changing is of utmost importance. So is establishing an immoveable frame. When she mutters regret under her breath, or looks down at her lap after a makeout, ignore the beta bait. Pull back and talk about random things. In her horror at the surge of her own uncontainable desire, she may blurt out details of her ‘prior engagement’, as if you should care. Ignore her. These are the words of a woman in the process of rationalizing what she is about to do despite her misgivings. Never attempt to engage her logically by talking her into an affair. That will backfire. Always… ALWAYS… remain in the realm of feelings. Good feelings. Whimsical feelings. …HORNY feelings.

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/05/0...n-edition/

Post: #6

The advice from Roissy is good, especially the part about getting her to move.

Due to embodied consciousnesses, a person who is sitting is likely to brood over heavy thoughts.

You have to get a woman moving:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notroc...important/

This is true when you're trying to get her doing anything immoral.

Always get her bouncing from spot to spot. Keep her feet light so that she doesn't think heavy thoughts like guilt, blame, shame, morality.

Post: #7

All of the above, capture her emotions and make it seem like its meant to be. Set up the scene as if its an old black and white movie. Disengage her logical mind and make her believe what she is doing is what her heart truly wants. Afterwards blast on her face and get the fuck outta doge before her boyfriend kills you or something.

Post: #8

If she senses even the slightest amount of bullshit she'll bail. It's delicate ground you're treading on.

I stealing girlfriends.

Post: #9

(02-11-2012 11:52 PM)Roosh Wrote:  You put in some time. She likes you. She says, "I want to kiss you but I don't want to be a bad person."

What do you say?

Humor here isn't suitable for the mood.

tough one - It's not a solution for this situation but something to keep in mind for future - set a sexual precedent early on but communicate that you're not "looking for a girlfriend." The more time you put in, the more you put yourself on the boyfriend track, which is not an "open position."

she's obviously horny and there's an opening. She might think you want to be her new bf. You can probably think of ways to communicate that you're not interested in that, which will put you in the "guy on the side" role.

Post: #10

(02-11-2012 11:52 PM)Roosh Wrote:  You put in some time. She likes you. She says, "I want to kiss you but I don't want to be a bad person."

What do you say?

Humor here isn't suitable for the mood.

I'm working on a very similar case right now. All of the guys I know that have pulled this move (myself included, in the past) have done it over a few visits, which is how I'm playing it this time. You basically keep to your foot on the gas peddle and do what you did again. She'll buckle on the second or third time.

Post: #11

"No one has to know, and in 150 years none of it will matter."

I like maintaining the dirtiness of it instead of distracting her.

We are all as evanescent as dreams, and if you keep the secret little or no harm is done unless one ruminates about it
and exaggerates its importance.

If she's over 21, and they really liked each other, they would be engaged or married.

IN 150 years there will be no one alive who ever knew you. We disappear completely.

Post: #12

Alright so this was a tough situation:

1. She lives with her boyfriend
2. Her 3 girlfriends were in the next room (in the club)
3. It was our second "date," the first being coffee

My response was "You're not a bad person if you do what makes you happy." (Funny thing is I just read a book on WW2 and immediately thought of Hitler, who did what made him happy.) My line moved things forward and there was a closed lip kiss but I could not go further. I wondered what you guys would do and tenderman's response seemed like it would have fit nicely with what I was doing.

Maybe I'm being a revisionist, but I wonder if I was actually successful based on the situation. I think the friends being in the building was what sealed my fate. It's just that with only 2 weeks left in her city, I don't have much time, and even if I did bang her, I wouldn't be able to enjoy the fruits of my labor.

I realize that you really need to stay in a country, and be open to LTRs, to enjoy the best of the women that it has to offer. Otherwise it's really hard to push above the 7 range in Eastern Europe. Being a cool foreigner swinging through is not enough for the 8s and above. You need to bring more to the table, and at the minimum it involves being a resident of her city. Otherwise you need the luck of catching her on the rebound.

Post: #13

Exactly this is the challenge.To land hotties despite lacking all the prerequisites.For example being there only for a week in limited budget for first time and with no option to come back.To overthrow all these difficulties one needs to be fast,experienced,smart.concentrate his resources and make best use of them,be culturally aware,estimate the possibilities the place offers quickly by first sight,be keen to take risks and always be prepared for the unexpected,have plans B and C in case first plan fails.You need to be flexible and very concentrated personally the older I get the quicker I get tired now I cannot travel abroad more than one week banging women without becoming exhausted.

Post: #14

(02-12-2012 07:53 AM)Roosh Wrote:  I realize that you really need to stay in a country, and be open to LTRs, to enjoy the best of the women that it has to offer. Otherwise it's really hard to push above the 7 range in Eastern Europe. You need to bring more to the table, and at the minimum it involves being a resident of her city. Otherwise you need the luck of catching her on the rebound.

I vote Roosh be excommunicated from his own forum for advocating LTR and not total detachment from women.

Next thing you know he'll be talking about the beauty of mutual love.

I mean, how cool can you be if you're in a blissful, symbiotic state, where you feel really at peace; like someone cares about you?

How can you maintain your sneer when your hot EE chick is cooking for you, so you can withstand it when she is gleefully boffing your brains out after?

"The horror, they just don't know the horror..."
--Kurtz in Apocolypse Now

Post: #15

Quote:I vote Roosh be excommunicated from his own forum for advocating LTR and not total detachment from women.

It's easier to advocate total detachment when the women are low value and have nothing to offer besides sex (American girls). The other night I brought home a girl and she immediately starting folding my shirts. I asked her what the hell she was doing and she said, "Oh nothing, just fixing up."

It's inevitable not to soften up after an extended period of time in E. Europe.

Post: #16

(02-12-2012 03:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:I vote Roosh be excommunicated from his own forum for advocating LTR and not total detachment from women.

It's easier to advocate total detachment when the women are low value and have nothing to offer besides sex (American girls). The other night I brought home a girl and she immediately starting folding my shirts. I asked her what the hell she was doing and she said, "Oh nothing, just fixing up."

It's inevitable not to soften up after an extended period of time in E. Europe.

Just messing with you.

It is just a huge tragedy for me that I couldn't permanently move here decades ago, and a great relief I actually got here before I died.

Post: #17

(02-12-2012 03:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  It's easier to advocate total detachment when the women are low value and have nothing to offer besides sex (American girls). The other night I brought home a girl and she immediately starting folding my shirts. I asked her what the hell she was doing and she said, "Oh nothing, just fixing up."

It's inevitable not to soften up after an extended period of time in E. Europe.

This is such a ridiculous notion I barely believe you lol. After the shit I've been dealing with the past month in this shit, backwoods town I can't even imagine a bitch being so kind. You must have felt like you were in the twilight zone or somethin.

Post: #18

(02-12-2012 03:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:I vote Roosh be excommunicated from his own forum for advocating LTR and not total detachment from women.

It's easier to advocate total detachment when the women are low value and have nothing to offer besides sex (American girls). The other night I brought home a girl and she immediately starting folding my shirts. I asked her what the hell she was doing and she said, "Oh nothing, just fixing up."

It's inevitable not to soften up after an extended period of time in E. Europe.

LOL. This would be like when Steve Jobs got kicked out of Apple, went off to help start Pixar, and came back to conquer Apple again. It just made him more rich and powerful.

I support softening up as a player periodically. Whether that means pursuing higher-quality girls (and engaging in extra work and some degree of sentimentality in the process) or straight-up pulling out of the game for a little while to enjoy something exceptional, I think it's good for you. I'll tell you right now: if an ultra-feminine, young 8.5-9 came over to my place, folded my shirts, cooked me dinner, and lavished me with praise, she'd be more than half way to an LTR. It's so simple, yet so exceedingly rare--especially in the U.S.

Some of my happiest memories are with LTRs. Of course, some of my happiest memories have also been adventures in man-whoring. You shouldn't deprive yourself of either pleasure.

Whether I have one "girlfriend" or six FBs, I'm a player for life.

Post: #19

Per the original question, I'd say 'That's fine, no one's forcing you to...' and continue to order drinks while running a push-pull and a bit of comfort game, order shots for me and her and her friends at the first sign a cockblock is imminent.

Something to that effect.

Post: #20

(02-12-2012 03:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:I vote Roosh be excommunicated from his own forum for advocating LTR and not total detachment from women.

It's easier to advocate total detachment when the women are low value and have nothing to offer besides sex (American girls). The other night I brought home a girl and she immediately starting folding my shirts. I asked her what the hell she was doing and she said, "Oh nothing, just fixing up."

It's inevitable not to soften up after an extended period of time in E. Europe.

Vicariously crushing on this girl...

It's funny, we're so easily manipulated, and still, American chicks can't be bothered. Compare what we've gone through learning game, to learning to fold shirts and make omelettes...

Post: #21

(02-12-2012 07:53 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Alright so this was a tough situation:

1. She lives with her boyfriend
2. Her 3 girlfriends were in the next room (in the club)
3. It was our second "date," the first being coffee

My response was "You're not a bad person if you do what makes you happy." (Funny thing is I just read a book on WW2 and immediately thought of Hitler, who did what made him happy.) My line moved things forward and there was a closed lip kiss but I could not go further. I wondered what you guys would do and tenderman's response seemed like it would have fit nicely with what I was doing.

Maybe I'm being a revisionist, but I wonder if I was actually successful based on the situation. I think the friends being in the building was what sealed my fate. It's just that with only 2 weeks left in her city, I don't have much time, and even if I did bang her, I wouldn't be able to enjoy the fruits of my labor.

I realize that you really need to stay in a country, and be open to LTRs, to enjoy the best of the women that it has to offer. Otherwise it's really hard to push above the 7 range in Eastern Europe. Being a cool foreigner swinging through is not enough for the 8s and above. You need to bring more to the table, and at the minimum it involves being a resident of her city. Otherwise you need the luck of catching her on the rebound.

You mean to tell me you are moving away from the glory of the one night stand

Post: #22

1. Any single lizard is totally worthless and you shouldn't spend the present thinking about the past.

2. In this situation, words don't matter. She gave you a goddamn green light. If you don't want to "be a bad person," you wouldn't say that.

3. She wanted you to make it happen. This is where you have to be alpha and know how to use eye contact. You lock onto her, and use whatever words that come to mind (they really aren't important, but something along the lines of I dont want to be a bad person either, while you escalate physical contact), and keep looking into her eyes as you go in for the kiss while also doing something mild like caressing the back of her wrist or neck with a finger or the back of your hand.

Post: #23

(02-12-2012 03:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:I vote Roosh be excommunicated from his own forum for advocating LTR and not total detachment from women.

It's easier to advocate total detachment when the women are low value and have nothing to offer besides sex (American girls). The other night I brought home a girl and she immediately starting folding my shirts. I asked her what the hell she was doing and she said, "Oh nothing, just fixing up."

It's inevitable not to soften up after an extended period of time in E. Europe.

No. Do not think the good vag is only for LTRs.

You have to understand your prey, to think like it thinks.

When one is in a piece of crap country with a high Gini coefficient, people are very conscious of what they have.

Now, imagine you are a 8+ born in some slavic country in a medium size town in a normal (ie dirt poor ex factory workers who swill vodka all day) family. What are your options? What will you do? Presuming you avoid early pregnancy, you will make it to the nearest 2nd tier town or maybe even the capital. You might be coerced into the sex trade, you might marry a fat German through a website, possibly you could do modeling although this would almost definitely be XXX, or if you were especially smart, or had some level of family connections/personal resourcefulness, you might end up at a university doing doctorate work, or maybe working in some sort of bullshit marketing/HR job so the boss can stare at your ass.
I have met these kinds of women with generally good reliability by going through US embassies, consulates, and also various chamber of commerce - universities that have conferences are good bets too. There are always dinners, receptions, parties, etc...
And if you are moderately resourceful you can finagle an invitation...and if you have some swagger/style, you can close with some unbelievable women.

Post: #24

(02-12-2012 03:56 PM)basilransom Wrote:  Vicariously crushing on this girl...

It's funny, we're so easily manipulated, and still, American chicks can't be bothered. Compare what we've gone through learning game, to learning to fold shirts and make omelettes...

This is a great example of how bad us Westerners have it. Roosh is asking for advice, and all me, you and Tuth can talk about is how awesome this girl is, and all she did was fold a few shirts. I think I need to get the fuck out of dodge.

Post: #25

Actually the shirt folding girl is a different girl (who actually has a boyfriend too).