Post: #26

Kiss for a few seconds, gently push her a way, and look distracted for a moment. Gives plausible deniability too.

Post: #27

(02-12-2012 07:53 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Alright so this was a tough situation:

1. She lives with her boyfriend
2. Her 3 girlfriends were in the next room (in the club)
3. It was our second "date," the first being coffee

My response was "You're not a bad person if you do what makes you happy." (Funny thing is I just read a book on WW2 and immediately thought of Hitler, who did what made him happy.) My line moved things forward and there was a closed lip kiss but I could not go further. I wondered what you guys would do and tenderman's response seemed like it would have fit nicely with what I was doing.

Maybe I'm being a revisionist, but I wonder if I was actually successful based on the situation. I think the friends being in the building was what sealed my fate. It's just that with only 2 weeks left in her city, I don't have much time, and even if I did bang her, I wouldn't be able to enjoy the fruits of my labor.

I realize that you really need to stay in a country, and be open to LTRs, to enjoy the best of the women that it has to offer. Otherwise it's really hard to push above the 7 range in Eastern Europe. Being a cool foreigner swinging through is not enough for the 8s and above. You need to bring more to the table, and at the minimum it involves being a resident of her city. Otherwise you need the luck of catching her on the rebound.

To get girls that are 8 and over is difficult in every country.

1. They are just so much less of them.
2. The competition for them is so much greater.
3. Usually, these girls also come from the higher socio-economic background - have more money and education. The fact that you are a different looking or have some money won't mean as much to them.

Post: #28

Smuggly say "we're all bad people"

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Post: #29

(02-12-2012 07:53 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Alright so this was a tough situation:

1. She lives with her boyfriend
2. Her 3 girlfriends were in the next room (in the club)
3. It was our second "date," the first being coffee

My response was "You're not a bad person if you do what makes you happy." (Funny thing is I just read a book on WW2 and immediately thought of Hitler, who did what made him happy.) My line moved things forward and there was a closed lip kiss but I could not go further. I wondered what you guys would do and tenderman's response seemed like it would have fit nicely with what I was doing.

Maybe I'm being a revisionist, but I wonder if I was actually successful based on the situation. I think the friends being in the building was what sealed my fate. It's just that with only 2 weeks left in her city, I don't have much time, and even if I did bang her, I wouldn't be able to enjoy the fruits of my labor.

I realize that you really need to stay in a country, and be open to LTRs, to enjoy the best of the women that it has to offer. Otherwise it's really hard to push above the 7 range in Eastern Europe. Being a cool foreigner swinging through is not enough for the 8s and above. You need to bring more to the table, and at the minimum it involves being a resident of her city. Otherwise you need the luck of catching her on the rebound.

I think the manual says for this little bit of last minute resistance the protocol is

1) say nothing (don't engage her logical brain)

2) triangular gaze if necessary
3) kino first
4) kiss
5) roam hands
6) slip tongue
7) go passionate
8) pull back
9) re-engage

As for the 2nd part, being open to an LTR to access higher quality women when fucking abroad.

You just gotta lie.
You gotta lie about why you're in the country
Lie about how long you're staying
Lie about other chicks
Lie about how you truly feel about her..

Part of it is lying to her, but a lot of it is how you think about women.

You've got to think that any bitch, no matter how cute/sexy/innocent, is basically the same as the lawyer cunts that you run into in DC.

She's played dudes left and right, promising pussy for things and never delivering. Even if she says to your face that she's not like that, poor Piotr and Sven in her high school were doing favors for her, favors that SHE KNEW, weren't just favors. And she gladly took them, and felt nothing about reciprocation. Those were just gifts, and gifts are never ever to be repaid - provided that she even acknowledged that those efforts were indeed, gifts. Many don't.

If you think of her as just as opportunistic as you are, then you'll have no problem lying to her. And if you have no problem lying to her, then you can say you love her, you'll meet her friends and family, break bread with dad and her uncles, ...and in the meantime, you're choking her out and nailing her in her ass cause she prefers it that way.

The second you believe her innocent act, that's when she's beat you at the game.

If you think about it, fucking her a few times is not nearly as bad as her trying to bind you into a life that you do not want.

WIA

Post: #30

(02-12-2012 05:31 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Maybe I'm being a revisionist, but I wonder if I was actually successful based on the situation. I think the friends being in the building was what sealed my fate. It's just that with only 2 weeks left in her city, I don't have much time, and even if I did bang her, I wouldn't be able to enjoy the fruits of my labor.

I realize that you really need to stay in a country, and be open to LTRs, to enjoy the best of the women that it has to offer. Otherwise it's really hard to push above the 7 range in Eastern Europe. Being a cool foreigner swinging through is not enough for the 8s and above. You need to bring more to the table, and at the minimum it involves being a resident of her city. Otherwise you need the luck of catching her on the rebound.

It's easier to advocate total detachment when the women are low value and have nothing to offer besides sex (American girls). The other night I brought home a girl and she immediately starting folding my shirts. I asked her what the hell she was doing and she said, "Oh nothing, just fixing up."

It's inevitable not to soften up after an extended period of time in E. Europe.

I agree with a lot of what is said here, but sometimes, I just think I live in a parallel universe from a lot of you guys. Like a lot of what you write is foreign to me, and what I write is equally bizarre to you. There are girls like this in America, but they typically want to be pregnant by 22 or 23, and they'll fuck you over at 30 or so. Something like that.

Anyway to your question, I encounter this situation quite a bit. It's something you have to prepared for, as any beautiful girl usually has a boyfriend and a few orbiters she can easily use to replace the boyfriend. And by beautiful girl, I mean an 8+ using MY scale:

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and NOT this weak scale:

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Here is what I do. I don't say shit because mostly anything that can be said is counterproductive. I speak with my actions, which is to move on. I will be available only to the point that gives her opportunities to express stronger interest in me. And if she doesn't, fuck her.

Good luck. Maybe I'll see you guys next month or something like that.

Post: #31

(02-12-2012 03:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:I vote Roosh be excommunicated from his own forum for advocating LTR and not total detachment from women.

It's easier to advocate total detachment when the women are low value and have nothing to offer besides sex (American girls). The other night I brought home a girl and she immediately starting folding my shirts. I asked her what the hell she was doing and she said, "Oh nothing, just fixing up."

It's inevitable not to soften up after an extended period of time in E. Europe.

I am jealous, and would love to be in E.E. right now. In some sense it seems like going back in a time warp to pre-feminist America. Does it feel like a return to normalcy, psychologically, to be surrounded by women like this? Like, oh, this is the way things should be? I have damn sure never had that happen (the shirt thing). There's nothing wrong with softening up a bit if it allows your mind to relax and be yourself with naturally sexy, feminine, nurturing women. It sounds fucking great.

Life is an ebb and flow my friend.

Post: #32

(02-12-2012 06:29 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Part of it is lying to her, but a lot of it is how you think about women.

You've got to think that any bitch, no matter how cute/sexy/innocent, is basically the same as the lawyer cunts that you run into in DC.

She's played dudes left and right, promising pussy for things and never delivering. Even if she says to your face that she's not like that, poor Piotr and Sven in her high school were doing favors for her, favors that SHE KNEW, weren't just favors. And she gladly took them, and felt nothing about reciprocation.

YES this is it, this is how women really are deep down. Think of the smells and how the attached photo woman looks. And let me add this to help keep good, cool people from spending a big chunk of your savings wimping out and coming here to Ice House Ukraine, because In Giant Unsanitary Refrigerator Ukraine (GURU) I ride the always frozen cough cough streptococcus garbage can similar bus if I'm too tired to climb the wrecked, ice-glazed sidewalks; and before I [inevitably] get sick I cough cough too because they exhaust leaks into the bus when it's not poisoning the hapless pedestrians and the riders reek of unwashed clothes and garlic and you have to flee sooner or later so why bother coming to GURU. Guys keep hate on a low simmer and no one is nice except would-be-lawyer chix and WIA has it right, give them a dollar and they'll buy a condom and fuck Oleg while you're not looking and bad-mouth you to him as a vapid Murkan and come over smiling and dripping with his cum. Then she will fake an orgasm and ask for another dollar. You do NOT want to end up in Refrigerator Ukraine!!

Post: #33

(02-12-2012 07:53 AM)Roosh Wrote:  I realize that you really need to stay in a country, and be open to LTRs, to enjoy the best of the women that it has to offer. Otherwise it's really hard to push above the 7 range in Eastern Europe. Being a cool foreigner swinging through is not enough for the 8s and above. You need to bring more to the table, and at the minimum it involves being a resident of her city. Otherwise you need the luck of catching her on the rebound.

This is very true. Most of my EE buddies that have model Girlfriends don't even go out. It's all social circle and LTR's for them. But then again, they have super hot girls cooking and cleaning for them without any questions asked.

Post: #34

(02-13-2012 08:28 AM)birth Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 07:53 AM)Roosh Wrote:  I realize that you really need to stay in a country, and be open to LTRs, to enjoy the best of the women that it has to offer. Otherwise it's really hard to push above the 7 range in Eastern Europe. Being a cool foreigner swinging through is not enough for the 8s and above. You need to bring more to the table, and at the minimum it involves being a resident of her city. Otherwise you need the luck of catching her on the rebound.

This is very true. Most of my EE buddies that have model Girlfriends don't even go out. It's all social circle and LTR's for them. But then again, they have super hot girls cooking and cleaning for them without any questions asked.

You show me a hot girl and I'll show you a guy that's tired of fucking her. ~Howard Stern

Post: #35

Accept and Re-direct
"i know how certain things make us feel wrong, but if this is so wrong, then why does it feel so right.. the world makes all these rules for how we should be and feel.. to block our mind.. why should we not be free from those rules and follow our heart"

Post: #36

(02-12-2012 05:21 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 03:56 PM)basilransom Wrote:  Vicariously crushing on this girl...

It's funny, we're so easily manipulated, and still, American chicks can't be bothered. Compare what we've gone through learning game, to learning to fold shirts and make omelettes...

This is a great example of how bad us Westerners have it. Roosh is asking for advice, and all me, you and Tuth can talk about is how awesome this girl is, and all she did was fold a few shirts. I think I need to get the fuck out of dodge.

I remember this Ukrainian girl FOB in DC some years back... The first time she spent the night at my place, I had laid out cups and plates on the table and we ate and drank some before we moved to the bedroom. In the morning when I got up, she was already up and was washing the dishes! And no, I did not have a goddamn dishwasher, she washing them the old-fashioned way! I was almost ready to give her a key to my apartment right then.
Soon enough, she showed her true womanly nature and turned out to be the same double-timing, back-stabbing whore most women really are.
Lesson learned: don't let such little displays of femininity fool you lest you fall into her trap.

Post: #37

(02-12-2012 07:53 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Alright so this was a tough situation:

1. She lives with her boyfriend
2. Her 3 girlfriends were in the next room (in the club)
3. It was our second "date," the first being coffee



I realize that you really need to stay in a country, and be open to LTRs, to enjoy the best of the women that it has to offer. Otherwise it's really hard to push above the 7 range in Eastern Europe. Being a cool foreigner swinging through is not enough for the 8s and above. You need to bring more to the table, and at the minimum it involves being a resident of her city. Otherwise you need the luck of catching her on the rebound.

If you want a LTR, couldn't you invite her to join you where your traveling to and other places, where you will be.

You could seed her to visit you in other countries and offer an adventure. Her traveling with you could be kool. If that's what you want. This would get her to invest in you, by traveling to meet you.

Post: #38

I agree that the LMR tactics might work here. Don't get into a debate or argument with her. Keep communicating with her emotions, not her intellect. Verbally, agree.. things like: "Yeah, we shouldn't be doing this," but keep escalating kinesthetically.

Push a little then pullback, give her the plausible deniability- isolate her back to your place for the casual hang like Tuth's post on first-date bangs. Just keep working at her- will power is quantifiable, and if you can outlast her, you'll win.

Slow-boil that frog!

Post: #39

great... she can fold clothes.

but shes cheating on her boyfriend with roosh.

not quite the perfect girlfriend material. hypergamy in full effect

Post: #40

(02-15-2012 03:43 PM)lurker123123 Wrote:  great... she can fold clothes.

but shes cheating on her boyfriend with roosh.

not quite the perfect girlfriend material. hypergamy in full effect

excellent point, but I don't know if the clothes folder is the same girl as the boyfriend protester...Roosh?

Post: #41

It's not about her "cheating." In a way, girls can't cheat, because they aren't the players in the game, they are the pawns. I don't expect any girl to not be attracted to the guy with better game- that's their nature. It might seem like it'd be good for them to have the will power to make a commitment if need be, but we all know that women are driven by their emotions, and besides, that would push them into the strong woman category. If you want to keep an attractive girl around, you'd better have excellent game.

The point is that she's got qualities are more attractive than those of other girls.

Post: #42

(02-14-2012 01:48 AM)soup Wrote:  Verbally, agree.. things like: "Yeah, we shouldn't be doing this," but keep escalating kinesthetically.

This.

Post: #43

I'm assuming you're in a somewhat secluded area. I would maintain eye contact and say "Then I'll kiss you and it won't be up to you" Then lean in for the seductive peck that hints at how good continuing to kiss would be.