Post: #1

This thread was inspired by Roosh's recent experience in Canada!

Ok! I get why guys hate the game. Whatever activity one cares to think about, be it ball playing, math solving, flying an airplane or indeed gaming girls, one truth can not be denied. Some of us are natural at that activity, while the rest have to work at it. A lot of guys unfortunately lack the drive and self discipline required for success. That is especially true if the activity defines ones overall success in life, i.e. making a living, mating with quality women. So I can understand why they would hate something that they think themselves incapable of yet know that they desperately need. Totally logical and understandable.

What I don't get though is feminists hatred for the game. What is it they want? Do they want us to go back to traditional society where the girls were virgins and women were mothers and housewives? Or do they want only the natural, the good looking and the rich to get all the spoils while the rest watch?

This degenerate modern culture of ours demands that we accept that 1 + 1 = 11. When we give in and do, it brands us all manner of names from misogynist to sexiest to ...

Why?!! Because everyone knows that 1 + 1 = 2, it tells us.

WTF lol

Post: #2

It's a cultural symptom. I recall another poster mentioning about a chapter of feminists in either Russia or the Ukraine talking to a western feminist. The western feminist was blown away by what the eastern european feminists were trying to do. In short, they wanted to help encourage an environment for their sons to grow up and become strong men since there weren't a lot of strong men around.

Most western women are dead inside from all of their pointless hedonism. This deadening causes them to bring others down. Weak men in particular fall prey to it. Seeking to others for approval. Multiply this affect over and over again you get the modern west.

In places where suffering is widespread, a lifestyle like ours is what is trying to be achieved hence why the women support their men. The more they support the hard workers the more their lives get better.

It's all part of the cyclical nature of humanity.

Post: #3

Heartiste:

"The goal of feminism is to remove all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality."

It also explains why feminist are:

-against legalized prostitution
-making everything rape or about rape culture
-freaking out about male gaze and catcalling
-slutting it up themselves
-pro killing unborn babies
-etc etc

Post: #4

"Ugly" women hate the game because they are at a disadvantage already and men knowing game puts them at a further disadvantage.

I say "ugly" because I almost 100% agree with that French woman who said something like "There are no ugly women, only lazy ones". In reality there are very, very few genuinely ugly women. Beauty is so important to a woman that "the market" creates all sorts of ways for a women to transform. Like make-up, but much more besides. So an ugly woman is 99+% likley to really just be a lazy one.

For women who through genes and effort are 6 or 7's and claim to hate the game, it's just attention seeking. The way to defeat them is to be "brutal" and make sure the attention they get is net-negative. They will find something else to use to get their attention fix. Maybe take part in an "Arrest Koney" march.

I doubt you'll find essentially any 8's 9's and 10's who hate the game. Through their hard work they have positioned themselves well in life. They have nothing to gain by hating or denying the game - at least at the start. If they have professional aspirations they are as free as other women to pursue them. But if instead of a job as an Accounts Executive office drone working 9-5 for $100,000 for Acme Inc. they also have good chance to shoot for the whole shebang and marry the owner or founder of Acme Inc. and have (control of) it all.

Post: #5

(08-11-2015 01:21 PM)Hank Wrote:  Heartiste:
"The goal of feminism is to remove all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality."

Women get their power over men through their sexual desirability. Game helps take some of that power away.

Ugly women have no desirability hence no power so their hate for game or hate for men in general comes from their feelings of rejection.

This rejection is why there are so many fat and ugly feminists and so few attractive feminists. It is why the women who complain the most about rape culture are typically the women who no man would ever try to rape. It is why a women who never gets approached (Lindy West) writes a popular article about how men approaching women in coffee shops is a huge problem because it wastes so much of women's time.

A lot of men who have been rejected by women act in a similar way. They rationalize how women are at fault when it is really the man who needs to improve. This is why the self-improvement aspect of this community is so important. It is one of the primary differences that separates the attitudes and lifestyles of the men here from feminists and men who give up.

Post: #6

Part of it is that the clear premeditation ruins their fantasy of things "just happening" and that they're not special snowflakes whom don't operate like other women.

Post: #7

Game gives men options and feminists don't want men to have options. They want easy access to the top 5% of men and to have every other man bow his head until a worn out 37 year old woman deigns to choose him for his provider beta stage.

It is hilarious indeed to see feminists rail against the idea of game. Game is all about getting women to WANT to have sex with you -- there's no deception or coercion involved. Yet everywhere women treat game with disdain on the level that says to me it's pathological and subconscious -- they think of men having more choices and instinctually feel threatened.

Post: #8

How much time do we have....

- game involves aspects of sales theory and evolutionary psychology which are misinterpreted as seedy and manipulative
- as a poster above said, analysis and premeditation invoke a character disposition that is foreign (and therefore unsettling) to the vast majority of people
- self-improvement is demonized and mocked because change is frightening and you should "just be happy with who you are"... recall the old schoolyard insult from my childhood: "you are such a TRY-HARD"
- some aspects of game are direct responses to the brokenness, entitlement, and nonexistent attention span of modern western women. It's holding a mirror up to their soul. It's bad enough to think that a group of men had to identify and codify successful responses to such behavior in the first place, but that it actually works, well, the cognitive dissonance is too great. "It's hate speech and we are against hate speech!" (there's no way it could work) / "It's manipulative." (uh oh, it works)

Post: #9

They want to have their cake and eat it too. A man with options doesn't put up with bad attitudes, ballooning waistlines, and all this other crap. If men didn't have options they, feminists, would be unstoppable.

Post: #10

Crabs in a bucket.

Feminists are almost exclusively ugly and get zero attention from men. Game shines more attention on beautiful women. That pisses them off.

Post: #11

That reminds me of a discussion I had with female friends during college times. Once when sitting together while eating, somehow the topic of game came up. I mentioned that there were a couple of guys who (supposedly) had figured it out. That they were quite systematic, and had successes with women on a regular basis.

Perhaps I should mention here that at this time I had only read a book of mystery and another one of Neill Strauss (The Game). That was enough for me to "prove" that this thing was indeed something that had a method in it, something one could learn. It was encouraging for me, and I wanted to probe what women might think about it.

Now to the reaction of the women: Indignation, skepticism and denial all over. Not in a hostile way, but in a ironic way, a mocking way. It sounded incredulous to them that someone would have spend time and energy to figure it out. A comment was: "This doesn't work by just following a procedure like saying so and so and doing this and that. Each woman is different."

Well, the truth of the matter is that one can learn anything. One could even learn to kill people, and in countless millions of cases people have taught that. So what should be the logical argument that one cannot learn how to convince/ seduce/ attract women? And have higher-than-average success with it?

But alas, as birthday cat has already mentioned, it is hole in the armour of modern women. Modern women want to be independent, self-empowerd, successful, even special. And for that self-imposed image to be maintained, it does not fit to be foreseeable, "playable", or "automatically" seductable. It is a thing that many women feel it is somehow there, but do not want to admit.

Feminists and militant feminists take this feeling of inappropriateness, of lack, of weakness to the extreme. In order to deal with it, they blame society for defaming women. They project it to the outside. They are aggressive beyond reason, since they see the enemy they harbor within themselves everywhere.

This is not to say men do not also have weaknesses which should be overcome. But I think feminism is quite different in the manner that it creates a closed reality bubble, an ideology where a female cannot fail without some participationn of men or society. And that's convenient, and gives an emotional rush. Holding the moral highground gives an emotional rush.

Post: #12

Because they don't get attention from cool, good-looking guys.

Post: #13

They hate the game because they are women, and because they are feminists. Both those facts play different roles.

As women they are turned off by the thought that a man had to work to become who he is, that he had to be taught. They want a natural who "just get's it". As women, they also want a steady supply of helplessly celibate men who will commit to them without effort on their part. They know inherently that they can only ride the natural alpha train for so long. Game cuts into the supply of such men, turning them into self-taught men with sex lives and standards.

As feminists they hate game because they are at odds with the truth of nature, and game teaches this truth. Game serves as a reminder of their own natures that they are at war with, and helps men realize their nature which is despised by feminists even more. Game also has the potential to re-enforce some powerful and beneficial institutions that feminism is at war with, but personally I don't think most feminists have a broad enough perspective to see that they are at war with those institutions.

Many of the "feminists" who hate game are not feminists at all, they are not educated in feminist thought and their actions do not advance the "feminist" cause. They are women though and as a gender of comformity and consensus, they adopt the "feminist" language opportunistically as leverage for their dislike of game. I'm not saying that feminists don't hate game, they especially do, but also a lot of women just hate it because they are women and only appear as feminists in the 10 minutes they need to justify their dislike of game without losing social face.

Post: #14

Game eliminates the special snowflake feeling. That's the fundamental reason it's disliked.

Post: #15

If men could use game to get better quality women, where does that leave the obese pink haired cat lovers? Exactly.

Post: #16

I think one needs to separate what "feminism" is and what woman are deep down and always were (The Feminine).

The word feminism is a misnomer because it's all about trying to be masculine in the world. That's the heart of it, there's really nothing more to it.

Feminism aside, women have always wanted to have the world their way, (The Feminine vision), but was mostly kept in check for thousands of years because the masculine vision was dominant.

In the last 100 years women have steadily gained more power. First voting, then working, now they even have the laws of this country twisted to serve them.

Feminism brought about the change, allowing the Feminine (a metaphysical vision) to become autonomous with no way of keeping it controlled. How can we as men? They can vote, work, and make even more money than we do. There is nothing left to keep them in line, except perhaps Game.

Post: #17

Because they're dumb as fuck.

That's the answer to every question about why they do what they do.

Post: #18

Women getting sex=Empowerment
+
Men getting sex = Lasciviousness

Therefore:

Feminism = Hipocrisy

That's why

Post: #19

OP, do you know who hate game more than feminazis?...Game deniers. They come in all form, from the politician who enact misandric laws, doting fathers of daughters and beta manginas summoned at the whim of a shrieking harpy so she can throw beer at a man putting himself in danger for sake of what's right.

Post: #20

There is a socio-political aspect to it which TooFineAPoint touches on above. Game reinforces the view that the findings of evolutionary psychologists are correct, i.e. that a woman's attraction, in general, is mainly based on hereditary compulsions which can be boiled down to discrete factors, namely, status, masculinity, confidence, physical attraction, and dark triad traits. Thus, it confirms that there are inherent and inescapable physical and mental differences between women.

Feminism is based on social constructivism which is a polar opposite of evolutionary psychology. Social constructivism preaches that any differences between men and women are subjective and socialized. Thus, heredity and biology have very little to do with any physical and mental traits which, in general, might be ascribed to women and men. Feminists want people to believe that men and women are "90% the same" and that the reason people might believe differently is because they've been dishonestly socialized to believe so by a partriarchy that is collectively striving to maintain physical and political power over women.

So, opposition to game by feminists is a natural extension of the political war they're engaged in to try to reshape society.

Post: #21

(08-11-2015 02:49 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  It is why the women who complain the most about rape culture are typically the women who no man would ever try to rape.

All other reason aside, this is why third wave feminism makes absolutely no sense. Why in the hell does a bunch of internally and externally repulsive beasts even need to tell anyone not to rape them? It's like, sometimes, I can't even...

If you have never gone out in real life and approached high quality, beautiful young women who have their lives together (day is best for finding them), who are comfortable in their own skin, you would still be doubting yourself as to whether you're actually committing a crime just by saying hello. It is this fear that the third wave feminists want to spread, so that if they are ugly, and naturally deemed ugly by men... well... if you reject them, then there will be all hell to pay... the spurned beasts will do anything to make sure you as a man are as uncomfortable as possible in your life, especially when it involves those beautiful women that you do want.

The aggression and hatred with which they spew the mindless nonsensical "rape culture" rhetoric is a reflection of their own inner feelings of rejection, and a desperate attempt to keep you locked away within four walls out of fear, away from those beautiful women that you would like to meet.

If the collective opinion of men makes them miserable, instead of, perhaps, losing weight, learning to dress and groom oneself better, learning to apply makeup, reading books on language or philosophy, getting some sort of positive purpose in life - you know, sort of like, self-improvement for women - instead of doing this, which would improve their lives, their self-confidence, initiative and intelligence is so low that they choose the "easy" option, to price as many men out of the market as possible. Unfortunately, it has worked. It has permeated society right up to the very legal system we might kid ourselves we could still rely on for justice. Feminists<->Mass Media<->Government. I don't know how the hell we men could go to the moon, invent the internet, detect exoplanets millions of lightyears away... yet allow this cancer to have spread throughout the anglosphere, I mean, I can't even...

When you actually do approach beautiful women who have good lives, even in the west, you will notice that, even though rejection can never be avoided, these high quality women bizarrely react kindly to your initiation of a conversation. Try it on a 5, or on a 7 with low self-esteem, and you might notice bizarrely hostile responses. If I had never approached many beautiful women, I would never know that beautiful women love to have conversations with interesting, attractive men. If I had never done that in real life, and seen how positive a thing it is for both men and women, for two strangers to come together, then I would still be shivering in the corner of my mother's basement, scared shitless that the women I know I must approach if I am to ever have any intimacy with a woman again, will absolutely hate my approach, that they will immediately call the police for even thinking of saying "Hello" or "Excuse me"... and this is precisely how feminists want to make you feel.

Don't buy into it. I did once, I'm ashamed to say. Getting to know beautiful feminine women is a beautiful thing. Don't let deluded scum like Nix and Lelievre take the joy of getting to know strange and wonderful women away from you.

Post: #22

Not all women hate game.

- Fat women hate game because high value men are not shy about acknowledging that we like slender women. We just do.
- Married women hate game because their husband is a dutiful beta man, who goes to a boring job every day to put food on the table for his fat wife and kids. They yearn for the alpha cock, but know they're not getting it. Her husband comes down and begs for a blowjob which he'll get once a year out of duty - not attraction.
- Feminists hate game because they're fat, and their blue hair, nose ring, and tattoos makes them even more unattractive. The naked pictures they put on the internet voluntarily also makes them unattractive. Their 3 kids with different dudes makes them downright undatable.

Slender women with no tattoos, no kids, and who don't have three ex-husbands? They actually appreciate your solid game.

Post: #23

It's pretty simple really. Women (and men) who suck at the game usually hate it. People who are good at the game usually like it. Most women and men who are feminists became feminists precisely because they sucked at the game and grew to hate it, they don't hate the game because they're feminists.

If you look at it like an actual sport, instead of working hard at practice like some of their teammates and hitting the weights and improving their cardio so they can become better at the game, they decide to quit the game. Problem is instead of just forgetting about it and moving on with their lives and focusing on other sports, they constantly come to the games. They sit in the crowd and relentlessly heckle and scream at the players and accuse them of using steroids and not playing by the rules, and they accuse the refs of shaving points and not calling penalties. And most people in the crowd are too big of pussies to tell them to shut the fuck up and stop disrupting the game.

Post: #24

Feminists hate everything men do, from wearing shirts to sitting with open legs, that's a given. Why women in general hate game, because they lose power and feel manipulated. Women manipulate men into doing all kinds of things, so when men are able to do the same to women they don't have any power left. It also shows that women are programmable and easy to figure out. You can pump and dump them, take them for a ride and then leave. They want that power exclusively or they only accept it from alpha bad boys. If every man knows how to do it then they won't be able to find a beta bux later in life. Only carousel riders really hate game, your average feminine woman is too busy getting married young.

Post: #25

For feminists it's about the same thing feminism is always about: power for it's own sake.

The reason they hate it is twofold. A lot of women dislike PUA's because of how low-grade PUA's think that running up "opening" anything that moves is equivalent to having game.

Legitimite yes, but they've dealt with thirsty losers for years. PUA isn't special in that regard.

They hate it because it shifts the balance of power. It's equivalent to female tactics like butt-pad pants, excessive makeup, fake bake tanning, and slutty dressing.....appearances not backed by reality. However any weapon loses it's power once two parties competing for that power both have access to it hence it can not stand.