Post: #1476

(04-11-2015 06:57 PM)Dagnasty Wrote:  

(04-11-2015 01:23 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  Two of the last girls I dated didn't have running water. One's father cooks with scraps of driftwood he finds on the beach. They don't even have cooking gas or a refrigerator.

The quality of their grooming is incredible given these barriers. One described waking up something like 3 hours before work.

You do realize that the local high status guys wouldn't' be caught dead with them and that you'd shame yourself if you took them into a hi-so social circle, right?

Not my rules, I don't agree with it, but if you're more than a sex tourist - that's not a good look.

You talk about alienating social snobs in the Philippines or anywhere else like it's a bad thing.



" I do believe that love is free ( Welfare mothers, make better lovers!)
I'm out on the street with the whole family!"

--Neil Young- Rust Never Sleeps- "Welfare Mothers Make Better Lovers"

Post: #1477

(04-11-2015 01:23 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  Two of the last girls I dated didn't have running water. One's father cooks with scraps of driftwood he finds on the beach. They don't even have cooking gas or a refrigerator.

The quality of their grooming is incredible given these barriers. One described waking up something like 3 hours before work.

Good memories, IKE.

There's some real quality girls in the Philippines, man.

Quite honestly, many of them put American girls to shame.

Their character is just of a different caliber.

It's hard to explain to the guys who haven't been there.

Some things you just have to see to appreciate.

Post: #1478

(04-11-2015 06:57 PM)Dagnasty Wrote:  

(04-11-2015 01:23 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  Two of the last girls I dated didn't have running water. One's father cooks with scraps of driftwood he finds on the beach. They don't even have cooking gas or a refrigerator.

The quality of their grooming is incredible given these barriers. One described waking up something like 3 hours before work.

Y'all are banging some really poor chicks.

You do realize that the local high status guys wouldn't' be caught dead with them and that you'd shame yourself if you took them into a hi-so social circle, right?

Not my rules, I don't agree with it, but if you're more than a sex tourist - that's not a good look.


It's really funny because a rich pinoy guy would LTR a 5/10 rich girl before he banged a 8/10 poor girl.

Different strokes for different folks.

Money/status isn't an aphrodisiac for me, but you're right, it is for some men, and in relatively poor countries, this "class-ism" is more common, for obvious reasons.

I like nice, loyal, healthy girls with beautiful smiles and amazing values.

Post: #1479

All else equal, I prefer higher class girls too.

However, in some ways, I feel bad for these SEA "Hi-So" guys.

They're so concerned about keeping up appearances that they never get to enjoy the easy poon in their cities. They could kill it if they snapped out of it, but they trap themselves.

I came back from SEA one year and reported back to my friend/co-worker in NYC:

Me: "Dude! I pulled from [club in your home city] twice! How did you not tell me how awesome it was?"

Him: "Oh... I go to that club all the time, but I never approach random girls in clubs in [my city]... since, you know, I'm always with my friends..."

Post: #1480

(04-11-2015 11:53 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  Different strokes for different folks.

Money/status isn't an aphrodisiac for me, but you're right, it is for some men, and in relatively poor countries, this "class-ism" is more common, for obvious reasons.

I like nice, loyal, healthy girls with beautiful smiles and amazing values.

You're one of the people who's posts on the Philippines I agree with most, and I've always been under the impression that you're not dating girls who live in squatter areas.

In fact, I seem to remember you hinting that your girlfriend in Manila is from a middle class, educated background. Am I correct in that?

The truth is, despite what many here try to portray, it is not black and white. The Philippines has a middle class, they also have an upper-lower and upper/lower-middle class.

To act like your choices are restricted to either dirt poor girls or "high society" girls is just not accurate (not directing this at your specifically).

I'm not saying money/status is an aphrodisiac, but destitute poverty is certainly a turn off, at least for me.

Not to mention that guys constantly complain about Filipinas being difficult to relate/communicate with, stupid, boring, lacking culture, etc. when simply dating in another class would alleviate that problem (again, this is not directed at anyone in particular).

Post: #1481

NEW TECHNIQUES FOR TEXTING MANAGEMENT WITH OBSESSIVE PHIL GIRLS

Ok I know anyone who has been in the Philippines has suddenly realized "I've wasted HOURS texting confused, insistent Filipinas over the last week!!."

The time and energy of texting is often counter-productive as the girl finds out something she doesn't like about you, you get mad at her etc.

My last problem texter was complaining a lot about medical problems, but she also totally busts ass cleaning and fucking my brains out when she's here,and doesn't get arguementative, is pretty fun to hang out with .

One of the most bothersome things is when they text "Why didn't you answer my text?' despite me saying I hate texting etc. It just DOES.NOT.SINK.IN., and they keep trying to hold you to the standard of 13 year olds-- responding to all of their 40 texts that day.

For the record, the "medical problems" are the very vague and hysterical things Flips use to get attention, common are "dizziness" "Tummy hurt" "headache" .

So I finally got so tired of getting 30 texts a day from her, and I don't want to totally block her on my phone so after hours of suffering i came up with this::
=============

Her: Are you going to block me?
Me: I block everyone sometimes.

(here insert many texts about her medical problems-- I asked her to stop but she wouldn't)

(here insert long phone call where I reiterated about 10 times not to text me any more about her medical problems. She shapes up here...)

Her: I feel better, I'm going <somewhere> with <family members>
Her: How are you?

Me: I'm fine, but will be busy catching up with work.
I can only text you back 1-2 times a day at most.

Now I simply block her number until I decide I want to interact with her again, maybe at 7 or 8 when I'm lonely. My excuse is set up already, I'm busy, and she can text all she wants and I won't even know it.

The important distinction is I'm not telling her "don't text me"-- an instruction a Fiipina is incapable of following-- I'm explaining in advance I can only ANSWER a couple times a day.

My problem is even if I try to "ignore" ( not respond) to a text, it still distracts me if I see it on my phone. I need to BLOCK most texts so I don't even know they were sent. If you are less distractible, you may not need to do this.

I'll contact HER when I want her, and I haven't really escalated and said "you cannot text me."

Voila: Time saved, alienation prevented.

Post: #1482

(04-12-2015 01:47 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

(04-11-2015 11:53 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  Different strokes for different folks.

Money/status isn't an aphrodisiac for me, but you're right, it is for some men, and in relatively poor countries, this "class-ism" is more common, for obvious reasons.

I like nice, loyal, healthy girls with beautiful smiles and amazing values.

You're one of the people who's posts on the Philippines I agree with most, and I've always been under the impression that you're not dating girls who live in squatter areas.

In fact, I seem to remember you hinting that your girlfriend in Manila is from a middle class, educated background. Am I correct in that?

The truth is, despite what many here try to portray, it is not black and white. The Philippines has a middle class, they also have an upper-lower and upper/lower-middle class.

To act like your choices are restricted to either dirt poor girls or "high society" girls is just not accurate (not directing this at your specifically).

I'm not saying money/status is an aphrodisiac, but destitute poverty is certainly a turn off, at least for me.

Not to mention that guys constantly complain about Filipinas being difficult to relate/communicate with, stupid, boring, lacking culture, etc. when simply dating in another class would alleviate that problem (again, this is not directed at anyone in particular).

Haven't posted anything in-depth on the forum in a while, so thought I'd drop some data on class in the Philippines, both social class and class class, as in, "having class."

So, you're 100% spot on, it's not black and white, and also, yes, in reference to the squatter area girls, I'm not dating them, and realistically, it's unlikely one of them would be able to get a guy like me. I'm not against it, it's just a long-shot for that girl, for the exact reasons you outlined, and it does correlate strongly with social class.

Every girl I dated at least had a job, and the ones I got serious with were all in university or graduated. All were 23 or younger.

For example, one modeled (local modeling, she's only 5'2"), taught English online, is a nurse, and just took in a 5k (in dollars) commission on a land sale she was a part of for her part-time job. She gave that check to her mom and dad. She still would like to get married to me and basically has an open offer extended to me. She was the oldest, at 23, and she goes to Boracay on vacation and travels quite a bit elsewhere in the Philippines with her own funds. Her family is not rich, but they own some land and cattle.

Some of the other girls were an accounting student, 18, a business student, 18, and a couple of retail clerks, 18 to 19 (one 24 yr old, I thought she was younger when I hit on her). The retail clerks:

A. Were gorgeous.

B. Hard to communicate with in English, but very pleasant girls.

C. Worked basically 10 hour days, 6 days a week, for a pittance.

D. Lived in areas where logistics were an issue.

E. Had very, very, very hard lives and were just trying to get ahead.

F. Did not have much time to date, like they really didn't, not like when an American girl says she's busy, these girls were actually busy, hand-washing their uniforms, for example, and yet they still made time for me, but logistics were a nightmare.

Now, I did not date ANY girls that had no jobs or were not in school, and I would not date any of those girls. Not because they have no jobs or aren't in school, but because their English is too weak. If their English was better and they were from the lower classes, they would probably have a job at the very least at the mall.

All the girls I dated were 7's plus, as in, they are girls whose inboxes would be full if they were on OKCupid in America. Meanwhile, in the Philippines, I can walk up to them, give them my phone number, and start texting with them a couple of hours when they get home from work. In America, due to the supply/demand issue in regards to cute girls (caused by obesity/overweight girls), there's enough guys hitting on a 7 to FILL AN INBOX.

I'm tall, fit, educated, young, and own my own businesses which give me small (but near passive) income, so I'm playing in a different ballgame than many of the older tourists. For example, several girls in the Philippines called me "Macho Man" randomly, independent of each other, or they would say, "You are so macho!" and then start giggling. On a side note, game-wise, I think it's better to be a tall Iberian in the Philippines than to be a tall Nordic. Just a theory.

So, the thing with the lower class girls is they don't speak very good English, so communication is a problem. Middle class girls speak perfectly fine English, but not only that, they have similar values to mine, and so, they understand where I am coming from.

My current girlfriend actually just participated in her school's beauty pageant about a month ago. She's 18, goes to a private university in Makati, and is taking courses like Strategic Management and Business Law, for example. Her family is not rich, they own one scooter as their family vehicle, but her mother majored in economics and her father served a career in the military. She got a partial scholarship to attend her university, she's the poor/middle class kid at the rich kid's school.

My girlfriend is poor by my standards, but by Filipino standards she is middle class. Her parents don't have ac or a car. But she's got class. She's got so much class. She wakes up at 5:00 a.m. to help her parents make breakfast, using wood for fire (she says they own a stove but it does not work). She then gets herself all done up, immaculately, then takes the jeepney to see me at 8 a.m.

So, at 8 a.m., I'm still in bed. I open the door for her, she walks in, I do what I need to do, and then I go back to bed. She lays there while I sleep. When I wake up, my condo is immaculate.

Now, whenever I see her, she may be missing buttons on her jacket or outfit, but the outfit is clean and ironed. She may not have money to get home on a taxi, but she'll refuse to take a cent from me. When I try to give her some pesos for a taxi, she says, "My mother says i can never accept money from a man, because I am not for sale," and refuses to take it. If she has no cash, she takes the Jeepney or walks. I force her to take cash sometimes if I feel it's a safety issue (after dark), and I explain that I understand her principles, but we've got to be pragmatic sometimes, and I'm the boss, so that's that.

One time she wanted to walk home, but I forced her to take the taxi because it was getting late, and I asked her if she had cash, and she said yes, so I put her in the taxi and waved her off. I later find out that she got off the taxi once she was out of sight because she didn't have any money and walked home, but she got on the taxi because I insisted, "I'm the boss," so of course she had to. She had to be home by like 9 p.m. or so every day, but she was allowed to see me every day.

Her parents will consider us marrying, but only after she graduates in about two years, so we'll see, I've got no hurries, I'm still in my prime. I'm back in the states now, we'll see what the future holds, but for now we're just letting time pass. Also, I'm free to do as I wish because, in her words:

"Of course you are always forgiven, but if you do anything, you must be very sorry and you must beg me to take you back."

She'll cook a meal for me, and I'll sit down to eat and she'll stand next to the table. And I'm like, "take a seat, join me." She goes, "I want to serve you."

I'm like...

"O.k."

So she stands while I eat. She refills my water, refills my rice, serves more meat, etc. Then when I finally finish, she makes some for herself and we chat.

We'll go to spend the weekend at a beach compound with her two best friends from school (a Chinese girl from a well-off family dating a young guy her age whose parents are diplomats from India, and a girl dating a young Chinese college professor just a little bit older than her) in Batangas, and I'm chatting with her and she walks into the kitchen, where her girlfriends are. She sees me coming to the kitchen to play with her, and she goes:

"No, you cannot be here."

I know why, because my upbringing was similar, but just to hear her say it, I'm like, "Why not?"

She's like, "The men must discuss business, men things. We will cook." And she shoos me away. In reality, her and her friends are only doing part of the cooking, because our chauffeur went to purchase the food, while another hired hand took the women's instructions, while two other hired hands/bodyguards kept an eye on the compound while all of us slept.

So I'm like...

"O.k."

Now, I'm used to this, because my family is White/Hispanic, and my mom is similar to this with my dad, but honestly, I didn't think women like this were still minted. I really thought they were out of circulation.

They aren't.

They're still there, it's just that to have a shot at getting them, you have to look in the right places, and you have to be the right man.

Because even in the Philippines, these kinds of women are in the minority, it takes a two-parent household and 18 years of good parenting to make one, and that's priceless.

Post: #1483

(04-12-2015 04:03 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  [quote='Enigma' pid='998388' dateline='1428821225']
[quote='Spaniard88' pid='998348' dateline='1428814419']
Different strokes for different folks.

She'll cook a meal for me, and I'll sit down to eat and she'll stand next to the table. And I'm like, "take a seat, join me." She goes, "I want to serve you."

I'm like...

"O.k."

So she stands while I eat. She refills my water, refills my rice, serves more meat, etc. Then when I finally finish, she makes some for herself and we chat.

Just golden, how wonderful!.

So hilarious that this would not respected by American women.

If this girl is so "submissive" and passive, why will SHE get the dedicated husband when the American gets the cads and cats diet?

Post: #1484

(04-12-2015 04:48 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 04:03 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  Different strokes for different folks.

She'll cook a meal for me, and I'll sit down to eat and she'll stand next to the table. And I'm like, "take a seat, join me." She goes, "I want to serve you."

I'm like...

"O.k."

So she stands while I eat. She refills my water, refills my rice, serves more meat, etc. Then when I finally finish, she makes some for herself and we chat.

Just golden, how wonderful!.

So hilarious that this would not respected by American women.

If this girl is so "submissive" and passive, why will SHE get the dedicated husband when the American gets the cads and cats diet?

I think, in a way, we all end up attracting partners that reflect our own imperfections.

With typical American girls, they're fickle and short-sighted, hence they attract cats and cads, both fickle, short-sighted beasts that come and go as they please.

None of the players in that triangle is looking out for the long-term interests of the other players, and this is reflected in the nature of their opportunistic, temporary alliances.

It is what it is, we all seek out our own unique versions of happiness, and the pursuit thereof is enshrined in our creation mythos as an inalienable right.

To each his (or her) own.

Post: #1485

@Spaniard88: Nice breakdown.

For the record though, that's not what I'm talking about when I say "middle class".

It's not like I'm going through people's financial records and asking about their income, but what I consider middle class, for example, are girls you'll see at Starbucks in the higher-end malls drinking $4 mocha whatevers and playing on their iPad. They'll be well-dressed, taken care of. They can afford to take taxis at least somewhat regularly. They eat or go out fairly often, go to the beach with friends. Their family probably has a car and maybe a maid. They probably have a degree and may or may not work. They'll take vacations around the country or to Hong Kong, Kuala Lumpur, Thailand, etc. They might go to a nicer gym. They might have a data plan on their phone.

These girls are not "rich" or "high society" by any means, and they're quite abundant. They're extremely easy to find. Even girls who work in call centers will often have this type of disposable income, depending on their family situation.

They're still sweet and fairly down-to-earth. Their English may or may not be good.

They would be the equivalent of a girl in the US who's dad is a generic doctor, lawyer, etc. They have a pretty nice house/ car/ things, went to a good school, but they are not wealthy or social elites. Their life is comfortable but not luxurious.

Post: #1486

(04-12-2015 05:22 AM)Enigma Wrote:  @Spaniard88: Nice breakdown.

For the record though, that's not what I'm talking about when I say "middle class".

It's not like I'm going through people's financial records and asking about their income, but what I consider middle class, for example, are girls you'll see at Starbucks in the higher-end malls drinking $4 mocha whatevers and playing on their iPad. They'll be well-dressed, taken care of. They can afford to take taxis at least somewhat regularly. They eat or go out fairly often, go to the beach with friends. Their family probably has a car and maybe a maid. They probably have a degree and may or may not work. They'll take vacations around the country or to Hong Kong, Kuala Lumpur, Thailand, etc. They might go to a nicer gym. They might have a data plan on their phone.

These girls are not "rich" or "high society" by any means, and they're quite abundant. They're extremely easy to find. Even girls who work in call centers will often have this type of disposable income, depending on their family situation.

They're still sweet and fairly down-to-earth. Their English may or may not be good.

They would be the equivalent of a girl in the US who's dad is a generic doctor, lawyer, etc. They have a pretty nice house/ car/ things, went to a good school, but they are not wealthy or social elites. Their life is comfortable but not luxurious.

I see, I met some of those girls, they're date-able, for sure.

So, the nurse I dated and my girlfriend run in those circles. The nurse is very close to actually being a part of that circle, and my girlfriend spends time with that circle, but is not a part of them, she calls them "rich kiddos," but in a nice way, not in a sarcastic way, they're just "rich kiddos."

The nurse is very much like the call center girls, works for her own stuff, makes enough to go on vacation, and she would make a perfectly fine partner.

I would definitely recommend the girls you describe to anyone doing the Philippines thing, they're probably ideal for a lot of the guys on the forum.

Post: #1487

After today's incident I am just sick of the things that happen here. I just came back from the most lame meet up with a girl. I expected a sexy easy going girl that said "I will meet you" and she shows up with her cousin. then stands there nervous and sweating and shy and not saying anything. Like the last time this happened I am stuck talking to her cousin and playing pendulum with my eyes trying to make eye contact with both when a proper meetup should NOT be with 2 girls!!! I am dealing with the annoyance of trying to just get this crap over without without being so rude as to just walk out on them. I said I really needed water, but forgot my wallet (which I actually did) and got out after an hour from the mall. From now on I will message them with the following copy and paste funny message figuring out if they are the kind that is worth the time.

Before I agree to meet you, please answer this quick questionnaire. If you answer no to any of these questions don't bother coming to see me because I will find you too conservative for my American standards. Are you the kind of girl that likes to wear non-conservative clothing like short (sexy) shorts? Are you talkative? Can you talk to me enthusiastically without being shy to me so I don't have to try to converse with a statue? Can you show up to the mall to meet me WITHOUT showing up in the childish way of bringing your mom, sister or aunt? If you answered yes to ALL of these questions, you won't be a culture shock to me and we are compatible and I look forward to seeing you. Thanks for taking the time to fill out this quick questionnaire

If this questoinare turns out lame in any way, I will just modify it but this is more or less a fair way to ask a few questions to see if a girl that wants to meet me is worth the time or not. In Manila I hardly need this because they don't even seem to be like this but come to Mindanao where I am still new to and all the young girls want to do it the childish way. I am going to do some hard core screening so I never get anything short of Manila-type encounter while I am on this island. they are here. In the Millions of locals there are girls less conservative than many you will meet in metro Manila, you just have to fish them out of the site with carefull screening processes, this new thing which seems to pick out hundreds of girls that are as easy as it gets. I have developed this and now have screening down to an art. I had a pipeline already set up from before I established a foolproof way of fishing out the super easy girls but ended up not using it yet and had this childish encounter today because I had pipelined from before I developed a new screening technique.

Post: #1488

(04-12-2015 06:11 AM)cmrectro Wrote:  After today's incident I am just sick of the things that happen here. I just came back from the most lame meet up with a girl. I expected a sexy easy going girl that said "I will meet you" and she shows up with her cousin. then stands there nervous and sweating and shy and not saying anything. I am dealing with the annoyance of trying to just get this crap over without without being so rude as to just walk out on them. I said I really needed water, but forgot my wallet (which I actually did) and got out after an hour from the mall. From now on I will message them with the following copy and paste funny message figuring out if they are the kind that is worth the time.

Before I agree to meet you, please answer this quick questionnaire. If you answer no to any of these questions don't bother coming to see me because I will find you too conservative for my American standards. Are you the kind of girl that likes to wear non-conservative clothing like short (sexy) shorts? Are you talkative? Can you talk to me enthusiastically without being shy to me so I don't have to try to converse with a statue? Can you show up to the mall to meet me WITHOUT showing up in the childish way of bringing your mom, sister or aunt? If you answered yes to ALL of these questions, you won't be a culture shock to me and we are compatible and I look forward to seeing you. Thanks for taking the time to fill out this quick questionnaire

If this questoinare turns out lame in any way, I will just modify it but this is more or less a fair way to ask a few questions to see if a girl that wants to meet me is worth the time or not.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do, haha.

The bringing a friend/sister/cousin thing is only for the first date, and not all the girls do it. Sometimes I was cool with it, sometimes I wasn't, but just clarify it beforehand if you feel strongly about it. For me, as long as it wasn't a guy escort, I was somewhat flexible on it, depending on the girl, but only for the first date.

It's a cultural thing, man.

Consider yourself lucky, when my dad was first dating my mom, 4 or five of her brothers and sisters would have to tag along as escorts, and my dad happily paid for dinner and movies for all of them every time they went out.

And you're complaining about one escort for just the first date!

Count your blessings!

Post: #1489

(04-12-2015 06:26 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 06:11 AM)cmrectro Wrote:  After today's incident I am just sick of the things that happen here. I just came back from the most lame meet up with a girl. I expected a sexy easy going girl that said "I will meet you" and she shows up with her cousin. then stands there nervous and sweating and shy and not saying anything. I am dealing with the annoyance of trying to just get this crap over without without being so rude as to just walk out on them. I said I really needed water, but forgot my wallet (which I actually did) and got out after an hour from the mall. From now on I will message them with the following copy and paste funny message figuring out if they are the kind that is worth the time.

Before I agree to meet you, please answer this quick questionnaire. If you answer no to any of these questions don't bother coming to see me because I will find you too conservative for my American standards. Are you the kind of girl that likes to wear non-conservative clothing like short (sexy) shorts? Are you talkative? Can you talk to me enthusiastically without being shy to me so I don't have to try to converse with a statue? Can you show up to the mall to meet me WITHOUT showing up in the childish way of bringing your mom, sister or aunt? If you answered yes to ALL of these questions, you won't be a culture shock to me and we are compatible and I look forward to seeing you. Thanks for taking the time to fill out this quick questionnaire

If this questoinare turns out lame in any way, I will just modify it but this is more or less a fair way to ask a few questions to see if a girl that wants to meet me is worth the time or not.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do, haha.

The bringing a friend/sister/cousin thing is only for the first date, and not all the girls do it. Sometimes I was cool with it, sometimes I wasn't, but just clarify it beforehand if you feel strongly about it. For me, as long as it wasn't a guy escort, I was somewhat flexible on it, depending on the girl, but only for the first date.

It's a cultural thing, man.

Consider yourself lucky, when my dad was first dating my mom, 4 or five of her brothers and sisters would have to tag along as escorts, and my dad happily paid for dinner and movies for all of them every time they went out.

And you're complaining about one escort!

Count your blessings!

O ok. I just know this thing about 1 date bang in the Philippines. It is always talked about how it can be done and the mom or sissy showing up did not even seem to happen in Manila Manila seems LESS conservative than even much of latin america. It is great there. So this was just an annoyance for the hopes of first date bang which is almost always certain with most you meet in Manila.

But I guess if the second date is not like that then its fine. I will give her another chance. If she shows up with her cousin or mom the next time too, then she is too conservative and immature and shy. This is too conservative and timid even for Philippines norms. There are lots here that won't bring others with them so there really is not need to accept it. At the very least, even without asking that funny questionaire I will confirm if they bring someone. close to 99 percent of players in this forum agree they don't want this so I will message a couple for the next day and the one that says they don't bring someone will get the meet and the others who insist bringing them get turned down. Millions of girls on an island. I will get what I want if I stop meeting girls that were not screened first.

I learned a nice lesson about this country. this country is all about numbers. The sheer number of people meens that even if you pick the most conservative island, if you have 25 million people on it, there are enough non conservative. I actually learned some cities on Mindanao are NOT actually that conservative. Contrary to some belief, I think Cagayan is NOT that conservative and and a bunch of other cities I have discovered to be gems in terms of liberated Makati type.

Just another point to share. After a long time of screening, General Santos is the MOST conservative city of all medium or larger cities in the whole country. This is where you will get the least number of girls sexually open with cities in eastern Mindanao one tenth the size or it having more truly DTF girls than the more than 500,000 strong Gen san. This is a valuable lesson to share so people to whom this matter can skip gen san.

Post: #1490

(04-12-2015 01:21 AM)Kabal Wrote:  However, in some ways, I feel bad for these SEA "Hi-So" guys.

They're so concerned about keeping up appearances that they never get to enjoy the easy poon in their cities. They could kill it if they snapped out of it, but they trap themselves.

High So dudes in SEA, at least in Thailand are slaying pussy like you would not believe man. They also fuck the low status girls sometimes but on the DL. Don't shed a tear for them haha, they are getting lots of sex.

Post: #1491

Dude
I am not trolling you, but based on what you want, you should just go and shore hookers, or get pure up foreigner hunters.

From what I see, you're very focused on what you want, which is fine. That's what you want. But to denigrate this girl for being shy, conservative, and perhaps less than likely to strip down and jump on top within hours of meeting you, well, that's not exactly a character flaw. Certainly not something for you to be "sick" about.

You might not care, but the email or message you're planning on sending basically, to me, screams sex tourist, or if not that, then at least what these girls would call a playboy. And by sending that even girls who would turn up alone and be perfectly enjoyable companions may indeed decide not to meet you, which will leave you to select from desperate whores or girls seeking compensation for spending time with you. You're importing American standards of propriety (or lack thereof) into a country that has a very asian take on the Catholic faith. Its one thing to ask them to fuck you on the first date. Its entirely another to make them acknowledge in advance of that meeting that they're going to leave all their "safeguards" for being a "good girl" behind before they meet you. You're making them remove their plausible deniability about the situation, and for many of the best girls, this will likely be a deal-breaker.

Again, I am not talking about girls who don't talk and bring their auntie (and this has happened to all of us that spent time there). The girls who would be nice, sweet, non-whores, the ones I personally would want to meet, spend time with, you're telegraphing to them (to the extent they'll even fully understand your rambling message - try shorter sentences) that you want to get down on the first date. They might be willing to, many of them, but making them acknowledge that before they show up is a likely way to selective eliminate the best possible girls from meeting you.

(04-12-2015 06:39 AM)cmrectro Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 06:26 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 06:11 AM)cmrectro Wrote:  After today's incident I am just sick of the things that happen here. I just came back from the most lame meet up with a girl. I expected a sexy easy going girl that said "I will meet you" and she shows up with her cousin. then stands there nervous and sweating and shy and not saying anything. I am dealing with the annoyance of trying to just get this crap over without without being so rude as to just walk out on them. I said I really needed water, but forgot my wallet (which I actually did) and got out after an hour from the mall. From now on I will message them with the following copy and paste funny message figuring out if they are the kind that is worth the time.

Before I agree to meet you, please answer this quick questionnaire. If you answer no to any of these questions don't bother coming to see me because I will find you too conservative for my American standards. Are you the kind of girl that likes to wear non-conservative clothing like short (sexy) shorts? Are you talkative? Can you talk to me enthusiastically without being shy to me so I don't have to try to converse with a statue? Can you show up to the mall to meet me WITHOUT showing up in the childish way of bringing your mom, sister or aunt? If you answered yes to ALL of these questions, you won't be a culture shock to me and we are compatible and I look forward to seeing you. Thanks for taking the time to fill out this quick questionnaire

If this questoinare turns out lame in any way, I will just modify it but this is more or less a fair way to ask a few questions to see if a girl that wants to meet me is worth the time or not.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do, haha.

The bringing a friend/sister/cousin thing is only for the first date, and not all the girls do it. Sometimes I was cool with it, sometimes I wasn't, but just clarify it beforehand if you feel strongly about it. For me, as long as it wasn't a guy escort, I was somewhat flexible on it, depending on the girl, but only for the first date.

It's a cultural thing, man.

Consider yourself lucky, when my dad was first dating my mom, 4 or five of her brothers and sisters would have to tag along as escorts, and my dad happily paid for dinner and movies for all of them every time they went out.

And you're complaining about one escort!

Count your blessings!

O ok. I just know this thing about 1 date bang in the Philippines. It is always talked about how it can be done and the mom or sissy showing up did not even seem to happen in Manila Manila seems LESS conservative than even much of latin america. It is great there. So this was just an annoyance for the hopes of first date bang which is almost always certain with most you meet in Manila.

But I guess if the second date is not like that then its fine. I will give her another chance. If she shows up with her cousin or mom the next time too, then she is too conservative and immature and shy. This is too conservative and timid even for Philippines norms. There are lots here that won't bring others with them so there really is not need to accept it. At the very least, even without asking that funny questionaire I will confirm if they bring someone. close to 99 percent of players in this forum agree they don't want this so I will message a couple for the next day and the one that says they don't bring someone will get the meet and the others who insist bringing them get turned down. Millions of girls on an island. I will get what I want if I stop meeting girls that were not screened first.

I learned a nice lesson about this country. this country is all about numbers. The sheer number of people meens that even if you pick the most conservative island, if you have 25 million people on it, there are enough non conservative. I actually learned some cities on Mindanao are NOT actually that conservative. Contrary to some belief, I think Cagayan is NOT that conservative and and a bunch of other cities I have discovered to be gems in terms of liberated Makati type.

Just another point to share. After a long time of screening, General Santos is the MOST conservative city of all medium or larger cities in the whole country. This is where you will get the least number of girls sexually open with cities in eastern Mindanao one tenth the size or it having more truly DTF girls than the more than 500,000 strong Gen san. This is a valuable lesson to share so people to whom this matter can skip gen san.

Post: #1492

(04-12-2015 04:03 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  I'm tall, fit, educated, young, and own my own businesses which give me small (but near passive) income, so I'm playing in a different ballgame than many of the older tourists. For example, several girls in the Philippines called me "Macho Man" randomly, independent of each other, or they would say, "You are so macho!" and then start giggling. On a side note, game-wise, I think it's better to be a tall Iberian in the Philippines than to be a tall Nordic. Just a theory.

What makes you think this? Just out of interest.

Post: #1493

(04-11-2015 11:00 PM)Dagnasty Wrote:  Believe me, I'm with you on this one in theory. But like I said, if you're more than a sex tourist, the hi-so locals can never take you seriously.

Most of the guys on this board are just passing through anyways so it's no big deal.

If you're trying to make hi-so connections for business or whatever then it's understood you need to measure your steps.

But I've stayed in places for many, many years, and here's the one single rule I learned about enjoying any country's women:

NEVER act like one of the locals. Don't dress like them, don't talk like them, don't think like them.

Always be an outsider, always stay a foreigner, always stand out.

Ten years in, still act like it's day 1.

Once you start "feeling like home" that's exactly also when you start doing things like not approaching 8's because of "what will your hi-so friends say about that".

That's why so many dudes arrive in a great place, sleep with a decent amount of girls the first few months and then suddenly hit a prolonged dry spell.

Because they are already feeling "local", and they start developing the fears and inhibitions that locals have.

Never be the "expat white knight" who tries to act like he's not even a foreigner and thinks it's soooo cool to mingle so well.

Once again if you're there for business reasons or whatever that's a different story.

But if you do your own thing (e.g. work online, work for a foreign employer etc) then you can stay in a place for a decade and not give a tiny poop about what hi-so locals think of you, especially if it prevents you from fucking hotties.

Post: #1494

(04-12-2015 12:44 PM)dreambig Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 04:03 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  I'm tall, fit, educated, young, and own my own businesses which give me small (but near passive) income, so I'm playing in a different ballgame than many of the older tourists. For example, several girls in the Philippines called me "Macho Man" randomly, independent of each other, or they would say, "You are so macho!" and then start giggling. On a side note, game-wise, I think it's better to be a tall Iberian in the Philippines than to be a tall Nordic. Just a theory.

What makes you think this? Just out of interest.

Let me say that it's a small factor if you've got your act together, because that will trump everything, but the forum likes to entertain these kinds of macro-topics, so I'll explore the topic in more depth.

An Iberian has several advantages over a Nordic in the Philippines, and here's some I can think of right now:

1. An Iberian can look like the elite of the country, not like a backpacker or a sex tourist, so the girl has plausible deniability when walking around in public. A handsome Iberian can look like a Filipino movie star or a businessman, but even taller and more well-built. In other words, an Iberian is hitting a Filipino girl's archetype for the most alpha men, movie stars and the business elite, the rich and the famous. There are virtually no blondes in the Philippines, so if you are blond, it's immediately clear that you're an outsider. To the lower class girls, it won't make a difference, some are very desperate, and it can even be an attractive novelty, but as you go up the social ladder, this will be a factor, as you then have to prove yourself. It's not a huge factor, and easily overcome if you have your act together, but it can be a factor the higher you go.

2. Many words in Tagalog have Spanish roots, just like the culture has a Spanish overlay. It's not a far cry to call the Philippines a Latin nation, most are not Hispanic, because only a small part of the older, highly educated (and sometimes very rich, in the case of the Iloilo sugar baron's descendants) generation speaks Spanish anymore, but the Latin infusion is extremely strong, including the Catholic part of that. Divorce is still illegal in the Philippines, for example. An Iberian comes from the culture that imposed itself on the Philippines in the name of "God, Gold, and Glory" for 300 years, leaving an indelible mark, and will therefore be able to communicate better with a Filipina, in any language, because of the shared cultural background.

3. As an addendum to point 2, Filipinas, due to the Latin overlay (and perhaps the Asian underlay, but it's hard, if not impossible at this point, to extricate what the Spanish added and what was there before them), are attracted to manly men. Some of the Nordics, whether in Europe or America, have been weakened in that area of their psyche. These social changes have not had as much of an impact on males of Iberian descent, resulting in more desirable partners for most Filipina women.

Having made the points above, I'll add that when I flew in to the Philippines, I did so in the tradition of my ancestors, like a Spaniard at the gates of Tenochtitlan, I was there for conquest.

History repeats itself...

Except this time, it was conquest of the romantic kind, meant to build something, not to destroy it.

Post: #1495

Another question... so I have been farming phone numbers from my pipeline, and I plan to get a Globe SIM card when I get to the MNL airport. Some girls have Smart numbers though, will I still be able to text them on a globe sim card?

Post: #1496

(04-12-2015 11:51 AM)Global Entry Wrote:  Dude
I am not trolling you, but based on what you want, you should just go and shore hookers, or get pure up foreigner hunters.

From what I see, you're very focused on what you want, which is fine. That's what you want. But to denigrate this girl for being shy, conservative, and perhaps less than likely to strip down and jump on top within hours of meeting you, well, that's not exactly a character flaw. Certainly not something for you to be "sick" about.

You might not care, but the email or message you're planning on sending basically, to me, screams sex tourist, or if not that, then at least what these girls would call a playboy. And by sending that even girls who would turn up alone and be perfectly enjoyable companions may indeed decide not to meet you, which will leave you to select from desperate whores or girls seeking compensation for spending time with you. You're importing American standards of propriety (or lack thereof) into a country that has a very asian take on the Catholic faith. Its one thing to ask them to fuck you on the first date. Its entirely another to make them acknowledge in advance of that meeting that they're going to leave all their "safeguards" for being a "good girl" behind before they meet you. You're making them remove their plausible deniability about the situation, and for many of the best girls, this will likely be a deal-breaker.

Again, I am not talking about girls who don't talk and bring their auntie (and this has happened to all of us that spent time there). The girls who would be nice, sweet, non-whores, the ones I personally would want to meet, spend time with, you're telegraphing to them (to the extent they'll even fully understand your rambling message - try shorter sentences) that you want to get down on the first date. They might be willing to, many of them, but making them acknowledge that before they show up is a likely way to selective eliminate the best possible girls from meeting you.

(04-12-2015 06:39 AM)cmrectro Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 06:26 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 06:11 AM)cmrectro Wrote:  After today's incident I am just sick of the things that happen here. I just came back from the most lame meet up with a girl. I expected a sexy easy going girl that said "I will meet you" and she shows up with her cousin. then stands there nervous and sweating and shy and not saying anything. I am dealing with the annoyance of trying to just get this crap over without without being so rude as to just walk out on them. I said I really needed water, but forgot my wallet (which I actually did) and got out after an hour from the mall. From now on I will message them with the following copy and paste funny message figuring out if they are the kind that is worth the time.

Before I agree to meet you, please answer this quick questionnaire. If you answer no to any of these questions don't bother coming to see me because I will find you too conservative for my American standards. Are you the kind of girl that likes to wear non-conservative clothing like short (sexy) shorts? Are you talkative? Can you talk to me enthusiastically without being shy to me so I don't have to try to converse with a statue? Can you show up to the mall to meet me WITHOUT showing up in the childish way of bringing your mom, sister or aunt? If you answered yes to ALL of these questions, you won't be a culture shock to me and we are compatible and I look forward to seeing you. Thanks for taking the time to fill out this quick questionnaire

If this questoinare turns out lame in any way, I will just modify it but this is more or less a fair way to ask a few questions to see if a girl that wants to meet me is worth the time or not.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do, haha.

The bringing a friend/sister/cousin thing is only for the first date, and not all the girls do it. Sometimes I was cool with it, sometimes I wasn't, but just clarify it beforehand if you feel strongly about it. For me, as long as it wasn't a guy escort, I was somewhat flexible on it, depending on the girl, but only for the first date.

It's a cultural thing, man.

Consider yourself lucky, when my dad was first dating my mom, 4 or five of her brothers and sisters would have to tag along as escorts, and my dad happily paid for dinner and movies for all of them every time they went out.

And you're complaining about one escort!

Count your blessings!

O ok. I just know this thing about 1 date bang in the Philippines. It is always talked about how it can be done and the mom or sissy showing up did not even seem to happen in Manila Manila seems LESS conservative than even much of latin america. It is great there. So this was just an annoyance for the hopes of first date bang which is almost always certain with most you meet in Manila.

But I guess if the second date is not like that then its fine. I will give her another chance. If she shows up with her cousin or mom the next time too, then she is too conservative and immature and shy. This is too conservative and timid even for Philippines norms. There are lots here that won't bring others with them so there really is not need to accept it. At the very least, even without asking that funny questionaire I will confirm if they bring someone. close to 99 percent of players in this forum agree they don't want this so I will message a couple for the next day and the one that says they don't bring someone will get the meet and the others who insist bringing them get turned down. Millions of girls on an island. I will get what I want if I stop meeting girls that were not screened first.

I learned a nice lesson about this country. this country is all about numbers. The sheer number of people meens that even if you pick the most conservative island, if you have 25 million people on it, there are enough non conservative. I actually learned some cities on Mindanao are NOT actually that conservative. Contrary to some belief, I think Cagayan is NOT that conservative and and a bunch of other cities I have discovered to be gems in terms of liberated Makati type.

Just another point to share. After a long time of screening, General Santos is the MOST conservative city of all medium or larger cities in the whole country. This is where you will get the least number of girls sexually open with cities in eastern Mindanao one tenth the size or it having more truly DTF girls than the more than 500,000 strong Gen san. This is a valuable lesson to share so people to whom this matter can skip gen san.

Ok. As I said, maybe I might need to modify the questions. It has been made clear by many users that they wanted to avoid the bringing of relatives. Many count on first date bang in Makati so I think there are certain things you will still screen. I think instead of saying it like the above, I could simply ask what clothing style they use rather than saying it like the above. I can probably get all the above points without coming off as sex tourist by asking them in a different way like "what are your clothing styles?" "Are you shy or talkative" and also ask them about if they have to bring someone. So I can still get the answers in a decent way, just watch how I word it.

Makati might be a better place to expect some things more similar to at home in the USA, but the south of the country will have a lot more reserved. there are some more Americanized people in the southern Philippines too, but it takes some work to pick them out. I don't miss being at home in the USA though because in Dallas or Chicago where I spent most of my life I am just another person in the city. There are nymphos in Mindanao too because I found 2 already in just one month! But the ones that are out there are easy to get the attention of because the first westerner to come along in their remote city gets them!

Post: #1497

But are you a sex tourist? They know everyone's a sex tourist in Manila.

There's really no point in denying it. I banged flight attendants, rich girls, girls from the clubs, and not a single girl asked me for any money.

They asked me why I came to Manila and I said the ticket was $250 so why not?

Post: #1498

(04-12-2015 08:22 PM)elcidcampeador Wrote:  They know everyone's a sex tourist in Manila.

That's BS. There are certainly lots of you guys around but you're not even the majority of foreigners here. You do realize Manila is the BPO capital of the world, right? Who do you think runs those businesses? Sex tourists?

Post: #1499

delete

Post: #1500

(04-08-2015 06:47 PM)Malo Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 02:04 AM)dreambig Wrote:  Is it possible to be too beta in the Philippines? That's basically what these girls are looking for in a man.

Hell no. That sounds like the grave, and classic confusion between being a good man, and being weak-pathetic-mick-blindly obedient etc.

Be beta and any girl (definitely pinay girls), or man for that matter, will eat you alive. And what can I say, you're asking for it.

On the other hand being a good and strong man will get you far.

There's also a big difference between being 'hard to get' when you need to (the classic push-pull, carrot and stick etc), and just being a plain asshole. Very big difference.

And it goes further. You also need to know how to fade girls out properly once you're fed up with them. That means without hurting them much and without unnecessary drama.

It should sound something like "yeah we tried but it didn't work out, whatever." - on the girl's side.

Otherwise not only you're leaving a trail of destruction behind you, which any man with a minimal amount of decency wouldn't do, you're also burning the ground for your fellow man (whose advice you used to arrive in the Philippines in the first place), and, most importantly for the more selfish, you'll be making some local enemies.

You'll also be filling your time with negative drama which will hurt your future results.

Cut the crap and do it right. From start to finish.

Well said. It is very frustrating that so many people think that confidence and being an asshole are the same thing. On the contrary, I think most assholes lack self esteem. Having said this, many very stupid, socially programed girls (especially Americans) love assholes. However, the same girls seem to like aloof and when you see how stupid they are, its easy to be aloof.