Post: #1401

(03-20-2015 03:48 AM)cmrectro Wrote:  Something here is really pissing me off. Anyone ever notice FC changing your city on you? you can have your city as Nw York cuz that is where you are from and want that. You are going about your business when you randomly notice there it s now set as Manila, Manila! wtf? who is fucking around with my profile? lol I don't want my location to be tinkered with and don't understand why it keeps changing without me wanting or even knowing until a chatmate mentions it to me!

Wild guess, could it be keying off your listed phone number ( former database programmer here)

Post: #1402

Agree about the importance of IQ, IKE. (For the record, I don't think it's genetic/racially based - at least not strongly so. Nutrition, environment and epigenetics seem to be more important.)

Once I realised that people's shy smiles in SEA were often NOT concealing a wealth of thought which for some reason they were holding back, but instead these people were functioning on a lower level all the way down, it started to make sense.

Post: #1403

(03-18-2015 11:14 AM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  Scott,
My brother, stunning piece!

Belated +1 to VP for diligent encouragement of good posters here ( and me too!) , your positivity helps everything here.

Can we sing Kumbaya and do X now!!??

Post: #1404

(04-04-2015 03:52 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

DEALING WITH FILIPINO LOW IQ AND STUPIDITY

I am finding a HUGE amount of problems organizing the SIMPLEST things with the average Filipino in Cebu.

Hopefully we can keep the reality-of-IQ debate out of this, I'm a published researcher in this area and I believe a "G". or the general neuro-physical ability to learn and function is a physical reality, and not a political argument.

After i read some research indicating the average IQ in the Philippines is only 86 it started to come together and I realized this is not a cultural mismatch, it is a real problem with basic skills of living.

This sounds like it isn't that bad, but that's a whole standard deviation below the US mean. It means whereas the average american woman could function as a secretary in a low demand position, the average Filipino CANNOT. She could do simple, slow add-and-delete of appointments but she could not, with an 86 IQ , prioritize conflicting demands or form adaptive strategies to optimize use of time.

Now half ARE BELOW EVEN THAT LEVEL. down in the 75 to 80 range.... This is a big problem , I had foolishly assumed General IQ was similar across cultures, which I see now is absolute naive bullshit. ( Smart people can quickly reverse their opinions in the face of hard data. )
Will it be any better in Manila? I am guessing it will/

A simple meeting at a mall takes 10-20 confusion ridden texts to simply "meet in front of McDonalds at 3 PM"

I may actually move to Manila because of this, wondering what people's experience has been with this simple inability to plan to be at a certain time and place. among the girls there.

At first I though it was a cultural disregard for time, now I think it is simple sheer stupidity....

It's not me, it's them.I need to find someone that's at least one SD above the mean, I'm about 130s verbal and it's just like pulling fucking teeth for me.

Filipinos are NOT fluent English speakers. I don't know why so many guys are unable to grasp this very obvious fact.

In Tagalog, the word "sa" is used in place of almost any and every preposition in the English language.

In McDonalds, at McDonalds, to McDonalds, from McDonalds, in front of McDonalds, on top of McDonalds is all expressed with simply "sa McDonalds". The meaning is gained from the context of the sentence.

Therefore, when you say "meet in front of McDonalds", she probably doesn't understand what the fuck you're saying. Near McDonalds? By McDonalds? Across from McDonalds?

In fact, it could even be "before" McDonalds, as in meet me at 3pm and we'll go to McDonalds.

What seems simple to a native English speakers is not so simple to someone who's native language does not have dozens of prepositions, each with different meanings. Obviously someone who is barely conversational in the language is not going to fully grasp these subtle yet important distinctions.

Even high level speakers often get caught up on these kinds of nuance. I was talking to a college student recently that speaks very good English and she asked "where are you from?" She knows I am American. She was actually asking where I WENT that day. In other words, where had I come FROM earlier.

The time, 3pm, is a cultural difference. Many countries and cultures do not have the same relation with time that Americans do.

So essentially you're taking a language (prepositions) and cultural difference (time) and attributing it to their intelligence. It doesn't make sense. You will find these same kinds of misunderstandings in any country where you insist on talking to a non-native English speaker as if they are fluent.

And this isn't to say that there aren't plenty of dumb asses here, but among the educated population, I haven't found them to be any less intelligent then their American female counterparts.

On the contrary, they take their education much more seriously. You won't find many college girls who are out partying and getting gangbanged at night while barely passing their classes like American sororisluts are wont to do.

The average IQ is low because literally half the people in the country are malnourished and living in wooden shacks.

But of course, you say college students are too difficult to date. You literally avoid the smarter ones in favor of the stupid ones, then complain that they are stupid.

How smart is that, really?

Post: #1405

Thanks for explaining the language differences, that helps my understand what's going on a bit.

The fact that they _sound_ more fluent than they are is hard for me to forget.

Post: #1406

+1 for Enigma. That post makes me really glad I started pipelining via Filipinocupid and chatting with them on Skype.

I see varying levels of English, and even the most "fluent" ones still trip up on the grammar, proper use of pronouns, and punctuation. I understand what they are trying to say, and I can tell that the pinays I talk to are smarter than they seem... no less smarter than American women at that.

I have had to "dumb down" my English just a little bit, but that doesn't mean I think they are dumber than me. Slang? Forget it.

Post: #1407

(04-04-2015 07:40 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 03:52 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

DEALING WITH FILIPINO LOW IQ AND STUPIDITY

I am finding a HUGE amount of problems organizing the SIMPLEST things with the average Filipino in Cebu.

Hopefully we can keep the reality-of-IQ debate out of this, I'm a published researcher in this area and I believe a "G". or the general neuro-physical ability to learn and function is a physical reality, and not a political argument.

After i read some research indicating the average IQ in the Philippines is only 86 it started to come together and I realized this is not a cultural mismatch, it is a real problem with basic skills of living.

This sounds like it isn't that bad, but that's a whole standard deviation below the US mean. It means whereas the average american woman could function as a secretary in a low demand position, the average Filipino CANNOT. She could do simple, slow add-and-delete of appointments but she could not, with an 86 IQ , prioritize conflicting demands or form adaptive strategies to optimize use of time.

Now half ARE BELOW EVEN THAT LEVEL. down in the 75 to 80 range.... This is a big problem , I had foolishly assumed General IQ was similar across cultures, which I see now is absolute naive bullshit. ( Smart people can quickly reverse their opinions in the face of hard data. )
Will it be any better in Manila? I am guessing it will/

A simple meeting at a mall takes 10-20 confusion ridden texts to simply "meet in front of McDonalds at 3 PM"

I may actually move to Manila because of this, wondering what people's experience has been with this simple inability to plan to be at a certain time and place. among the girls there.

At first I though it was a cultural disregard for time, now I think it is simple sheer stupidity....

It's not me, it's them.I need to find someone that's at least one SD above the mean, I'm about 130s verbal and it's just like pulling fucking teeth for me.

Filipinos are NOT fluent English speakers. I don't know why so many guys are unable to grasp this very obvious fact.

In Tagalog, the word "sa" is used in place of almost any and every preposition in the English language.

In McDonalds, at McDonalds, to McDonalds, from McDonalds, in front of McDonalds, on top of McDonalds is all expressed with simply "sa McDonalds". The meaning is gained from the context of the sentence.

Therefore, when you say "meet in front of McDonalds", she probably doesn't understand what the fuck you're saying. Near McDonalds? By McDonalds? Across from McDonalds?

In fact, it could even be "before" McDonalds, as in meet me at 3pm and we'll go to McDonalds.

What seems simple to a native English speakers is not so simple to someone who's native language does not have dozens of prepositions, each with different meanings. Obviously someone who is barely conversational in the language is not going to fully grasp these subtle yet important distinctions.

Even high level speakers often get caught up on these kinds of nuance. I was talking to a college student recently that speaks very good English and she asked "where are you from?" She knows I am American. She was actually asking where I WENT that day. In other words, where had I come FROM earlier.

The time, 3pm, is a cultural difference. Many countries and cultures do not have the same relation with time that Americans do.

So essentially you're taking a language (prepositions) and cultural difference (time) and attributing it to their intelligence. It doesn't make sense. You will find these same kinds of misunderstandings in any country where you insist on talking to a non-native English speaker as if they are fluent.

And this isn't to say that there aren't plenty of dumb asses here, but among the educated population, I haven't found them to be any less intelligent then their American female counterparts.

On the contrary, they take their education much more seriously. You won't find many college girls who are out partying and getting gangbanged at night while barely passing their classes like American sororisluts are wont to do.

The average IQ is low because literally half the people in the country are malnourished and living in wooden shacks.

But of course, you say college students are too difficult to date. You literally avoid the smarter ones in favor of the stupid ones, then complain that they are stupid.

How smart is that, really?

I've noticed Enigma will defend all things Filipino to the death. I spent 2 and half months there and most of them are fucking stupid. No two ways about it, regardless of language fluency. I've spent time in many other countries where English fluency is much less than in the Philippines but they manage to figure things out without a quarter of the confusion.

The average IQ is actually lower than 86. I read an article about how the Filipino government skewed the results by signing up the more talented people to take the IQ tests. I can dig it up if you want.

FilipinoCupid has especially dumb girls though because most of them are from poor places, trying to leach onto a foreigner to dig them out of whatever slum they live in. That being said, I met / fucked plenty of girls off Tinder that were dumb as a post too.

I never managed to make a single emotional connection with any girls in the Philippines for this reason. To make a real connection you need a woman who's in the same ball park as you intellectually.

Post: #1408

I've lived here 2+ years now, MOST of the population is awfully simple minded. What can you expect when half the population doesn't give a shit about education or has a defeatist attitude? Good thing is plenty of dumb girls 18 to 22 y/o around to bang...

Post: #1409

(04-04-2015 02:34 PM)Stompin_Tom Wrote:  I've noticed Enigma will defend all things Filipino to the death. I spent 2 and half months there and most of them are fucking stupid. No two ways about it, regardless of language fluency. I've spent time in many other countries where English fluency is much less than in the Philippines but they manage to figure things out without a quarter of the confusion.

The average IQ is actually lower than 86. I read an article about how the Filipino government skewed the results by signing up the more talented people to take the IQ tests. I can dig it up if you want.

FilipinoCupid has especially dumb girls though because most of them are from poor places, trying to leach onto a foreigner to dig them out of whatever slum they live in. That being said, I met / fucked plenty of girls off Tinder that were dumb as a post too.

I never managed to make a single emotional connection with any girls in the Philippines for this reason. To make a real connection you need a woman who's in the same ball park as you intellectually.

It's terribly racist but I do agree with a lot of it. It takes a tremendous amount of patience to stay here long term.

I did emotionally connect with a woman here but I had to dump her for the exact reason you said - she was too stupid.

I can't say that I'd ever have another serious relationship with a Pinay because of it. They aren't all like that, but the vast majority (the non-elites) are. We can argue whether it's the environment, the culture, or the colonialism - but this is the land of "not quite right" and that is clear.

For me, my new rule is South East Asians for bangs and East Asians for LTR's.

Post: #1410

I'm a little surprised to see the negativity towards Pinays here, but then again I have not been there and I will be sure to report back my observations and thoughts after my trip.

Post: #1411

(04-04-2015 07:03 PM)Dagnasty Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 02:34 PM)Stompin_Tom Wrote:  I've noticed Enigma will defend all things Filipino to the death. I spent 2 and half months there and most of them are fucking stupid. No two ways about it, regardless of language fluency. I've spent time in many other countries where English fluency is much less than in the Philippines but they manage to figure things out without a quarter of the confusion.

The average IQ is actually lower than 86. I read an article about how the Filipino government skewed the results by signing up the more talented people to take the IQ tests. I can dig it up if you want.

FilipinoCupid has especially dumb girls though because most of them are from poor places, trying to leach onto a foreigner to dig them out of whatever slum they live in. That being said, I met / fucked plenty of girls off Tinder that were dumb as a post too.

I never managed to make a single emotional connection with any girls in the Philippines for this reason. To make a real connection you need a woman who's in the same ball park as you intellectually.

It's terribly racist but I do agree with a lot of it. It takes a tremendous amount of patience to stay here long term.

I did emotionally connect with a woman here but I had to dump her for the exact reason you said - she was too stupid.

I can't say that I'd ever have another serious relationship with a Pinay because of it. They aren't all like that, but the vast majority (the non-elites) are. We can argue whether it's the environment, the culture, or the colonialism - but this is the land of "not quite right" and that is clear.

For me, my new rule is South East Asians for bangs and East Asians for LTR's.

As a man, one can never complain about pinays or indonesians. But for more than just bangs, it is hard to find a good one. 3 to 6 months maximum, is what a man should stay, per year, in SE Asia.

Post: #1412

IKE, your thoughts re IQ resonate with me, though I think Enigma makes some valid points.

But your problem won't improve by coming to Manila. if anything it will be worse, to the extent that there more girls available with the same frustrating behaviours.

I have wondered if it is just poor basic arithmetic skills.
As I am tall, I filter for height on FC. At least 80% of the girls that list as 5'4" to 5'7" (that are not ladyboys) are actually 2" - 6" shorter than they say on their profile. Often their weight is significantly wrong too. Some of them are just lying, but I get the impression that some really don't understand numbers.
They can not do simple planning or basic subtraction either. Typically she will leave home at 2:50 for a 3:00pm meet when the fastest travel time even in light traffic would be 40 minutes. Then when she is an hour plus late, she blames it all on heavy traffic.

Post: #1413

Gentlemen, I think Enigma raises several good points that shouldn't be easily dismissed. These situations are really a lot more complicated than most people care to admit.

To add to what was already excellently stated by Enigma, I'm of the belief that it's largely a matter of perspective and degree. Communication problems do not only arise between different cultures, they already happen within one culture, dependent on personality, age, gender, and the environment one grew up in. Looking at this, it should be apparent that even more tact and effort shall be required for situations involving differing foreign cultures, especially since communication with diverse cultures could easily lead to misunderstandings and frustrations. In the same way that an urbanite in the US might have a low opinion of the suburbs and the suburbanites living there, and in the same way that city slickers could be ridiculed by country townsfolk for being clueless away from their metropolis, can you just imagine the massive ravine separating an American Traveler from a Filipina probinsiyana?

Not only are we dealing with one facet of differing cultures here... but a multitude of fronts! Consider that said American and said Filipina will be of differing actual languages, communication contexts, time orientation, and will have learned to respond differently to the same stimuli based on differing environmental factors and cultural upbringing. Let's tackle these.

Enigma already addressed the basic language differences. But taking that a step further, let's look at communication context. A fellow named Edward T. Hall wrote a couple of books on High and Low Context Cultures (refer to The Silent Language and Hidden Differences) where he principally differentiates high-context (contextual) and low-context (non-contextual) cultures.

Quote:The term “context” describes how communication takes place in situation of interactions and what meaning can be given to. Accordingly, high context (HC) communication is in particular, strongly implicit where non-verbal communication is very important. A low context culture (LC) is explicit and tends to place more importance on the words in their language.

Examples of LC cultures: Americans, Germans, Scandinavians.
Examples of HC cultures: Japanese, Filipinos, Arabians.

As an HC culture, the Filipinos rely on extensive information networks among tight-knit groups such as family, friends and clients who are deeply involved in personal relationships. As consequence, for most normal transactions in daily life they do not require or expect much background information. For Americans (LC), the contrary is the case. Communication is more explicit, straighter, clearer and non-verbal communication happens to a lesser extent. In conclusion, Americans need detailed background information before they can commit themselves to a cause or action. Simply put, Filipino culture places them in a sea of information whereas the Americans produce work with islands of information. Both can either lead to irritation by insisting to give information one doesn't need or on the other hand to a loss if not enough information is provided.

Furthermore, cultures tend to have different concepts of time that we'll refer to as time orientation. Mr. Hall distinguishes between monochronic cultures such as America, characterized by a rigid time management and a structured schedule as well as polychronic cultures such as the Philippines, characterized by a more flexible and less structured time management. The Filipinos have an attitude that we call the "mañana habit" adpoted from the Spanish. It's part of the "Colonial Mentality" I keep mentioning. At the most basic level, it means putting something off for tomorrow that can be done today. It is said that the rich tropical soil of the Philippines where varieties of fruits and vegetables grow with little effort has influenced lazier instincts as opposed to say the Japanese who must discipline themselves to get up and work their mountainous non tropical lands to produce food.

Here are some other facets to take into account taken from a book by Geert Hofstede called Cultures and Organizations: Software of the Mind:

Quote:Power Distance Index (PDI) - describing the degree to which extent less powerful members accept and expect that power is distributed equally and how that society handles inequalities among people.

Now, bear in mind that the Philippines has a very high population living in extreme poverty. Chances are, those of you reading this right now, are probably in the middle class-to upper middle class of your culture. Imagine a pyramid. Now imagine that 75% of that pyramid *from the base up* represents the extreme poverty in the Philippines. Certainly, the girl you're chatting up may have a smart phone, or even a (cheap) computer, but it is not that difficult to acquire that and it is obviously not representative of her being a well educated, high IQ person. A good majority of the girls you meet may seem middle class, but in reality are part of that monstrous chunk of poverty that partly explains what you've encountered over there and categorized as stupidity. I'm not saying that you are wrong, from your perspective you may well be correct. But there are factors to consider.

Anyhow speaking of extreme poverty, here's an anecdote from my last Philippines trip. I was hanging out with my fraternity brother near the Cubao slums. I asked him, a Filipino who is ex-US Navy, financially independent and drives around his Mercedes-Benz amongst the throngs of poor masses (called commonly known as "squatters"), how he could remain sane while living with the squalor and stupidity around him. I knew he was a very smart but impatient man. His condominium stands tall in the heart of flea markets and shacks. He stunned me with his reply. "I have to look at them as vermin," he waved off a grimy street urchin who face-pressed-to-window was peering into the car with his dirty hands on the glass, covering the side of his eyes so he can see inside the driver's side. "It's the only way I can rationalize why they choose to walk in the middle of the street when they know there are cars trying to get through. Why they are too lazy to work a living and beg instead. Why they remain stupid and uneducated instead of attempting to learn and rise above their hard lives. I say to myself, 'Ahhh! They're vermin. That's why they act so. That's why they sleep in the gutters and piss anywhere,' and thinking that way preserves my sanity." I let the shock of what he said to me sink into understanding as I watched him honk his horn at an obstacle on the road: a squalid, naked woman picking her nose.

Quote:Masculinity versus Femininity (MAS) - for which a high score society is called masculine with preference to a competition-oriented society, the opposite, a feminine consensus-oriented society stands for a preference for cooperation and quality of life.

Let's look at Case Study #1:

Christian, the president of the student organization at a private engineering university in Atlanta, was having problems with Nestor, a foreign exchange engineering student from the Philippines. During their last meeting, Christian asked Nestor if he could take on an extra project, to which Nestor agreed very graciously. It has been a month, however, and Nestor has not even organized a subcommittee.

Christian has had similar problems in the past where Nestor would pleasantly agree to help out with a project but would only provide minimal participation because of his many other commitments. Nestor is involved in over 10 other student organizations, occupying a significant role in each. Considering this, it is no wonder that he is unable to spare much time to any one organization.

Christian feels that if Nestor has committed himself to something, he should by all means take on full responsibility. If he cannot fulfill what is expected of him, he should simply say “No.” Nestor, however, is angry at Christian for accusing him of irresponsibility.

Anita, who is close to Nestor as well as Christian, receives a phone call from Christian. “Anita, I don’t know what to do! Nestor has done it again! He promised to head that project we talked about at our last meeting a month ago, and he still hasn’t done anything about it! Now it’s too late for me to find anyone else to do it... I just don’t know why he is so irresponsible! I have given him so many chances and he keeps on letting me down. The worst part of it is that even though it’s his fault, he is mad at me for some reason and refuses to talk to me anymore. This is getting ridiculous!”

Later during the day, she hears from Nestor. “Anita, I’m really disappointed with Christian. I thought we were friends so I have been agreeing to do all these projects he has been loading on me even though I don’t have the time to do it. He knows that. But he still gets upset when I don’t get it done on time! What does he think? Does he really think that it would be logically feasible for me to do all that considering my tight schedule? I’m really frustrated because he keeps on making unreasonable demands on my time even though he knows how swamped I am! You know, Anita, I have really had enough!”

Christian and Nestor seem to differ in their assumption of what a responsible individual is expected to do. According to Nestor’s definition, it is the leader’s responsibility to determine and assign only what his or her subordinate can reasonably handle. According to Christian’s definition, however, each individual is responsible for determining how much he or she should undertake.

Perspectives from differing cultures have caused this misunderstanding. American 'directness' and the high value they place on time are clashing with the Filipino culture that is influenced by Confucian teachings.

-End Case Study

Quote:Long-term versus Short-term Orientation (LTO) - describing the extent to which a society either thrifts and has perseverance opposite versus attendance to more short-term goals.

Quote:Indulgence versus Restraint (IND) - on the other hand deals with the extent to which people try to control their personal desires and impulses.

Quote:The Individualism and Collectivism Index (IDV) - individualistic cultures are at the high end of this dimension and characterized by loose ties between individuals of that culture in which they are expected to take care of only themselves and their immediate family. The low side, collectivism, however, emphasizes people’s self-perception in terms of “we”. Here, a direct link can be drawn from individualistic societies to low-context-communication, since verbal communication is particularly strong and speaking one’s mind openly is regarded as being honest. Moreover, different opinions are treated to be a good base for discussions leading to increased truth whereas view-less people are regarded as having a weak character. Collectivist societies, however, are dominated by the urge for harmony. Own opinions necessarily lead to direct and open confrontations and are therefore regarded as impolite. A “no” almost does not exist, a “yes” does not always mean approval but is used to maintain harmony and communication.

Here it becomes very clear that communication problems between Americans (high score) and Filipinos (low score) lie in between two different cultures determining communication manner as well. Our different communication styles lead to misunderstandings, possibly to disappointment and confusion. This can lead to "stronger feelings of distress, especially for expatriates right at the beginning of the acculturation process."

Let's consider Case Study #2:

Jared is an American engineering student on exchange to a Filipino university as part of a one-year-abroad studying program. It has been two months into the school year, and Jared feels settled into the routine life of a college student but now, as part of the program must start applying as an intern for his practicum.

Interview after interview, Jared would leave the building feeling confident that he would get the internship. The interviewers would not only seem extremely responsive but would also comment on his excellent qualifications. Each interview would end with something like: “Jared, we are very impressed by your qualifications; we will think about it and let you know.”

Infallibly, however, Jared would never hear back from them. After waiting a couple of weeks, he would try calling the companies to see if any progress was made. Each time, he would hear a rather baffled answer and would be told that they would have to think about it some more and call him back. Again, he would wait to no avail. Angry and frustrated, Jared mentioned this to friends he had met at the university, a Canadian named Andy and a Pinay, Malou. Here's their conversation:

Jared: I can’t believe it has been three weeks since I started interviewing and all of the places are “still thinking!” What is taking them so long???

Andy: You know what? If I were you, I would give up and try looking some more...

Jared: But there is still the possibility that I will get one of the position I have been interviewing for... right?

Andy: Not necessarily... these Filipinos can be really two-faced, you know. No offence Malou, but they tell you one thing and mean another. I have been through 20 different interviews myself, and the only time they actually called me back was when I got the position! Even though all the other places told me how qualified I was during the interviews, none of them had the decency to keep their promise of notifying me later.

Jared: I agree! Personally, I think it’s really rude that they don’t call me back after saying that they would! It’s so frustrating, because if they would tell us “Yes” or “No,” at least we would know whether we should keep looking for some other possibilities or not!

Malou: It was the same for me, when I got my job, they called me back almost immediately after the interview. The other places didn’t even bother writing or calling me. But what you have to understand is that in our culture, we value "Saving face".

Andy: ...

Jared: What do you mean?

Malou: We refer to it as "shame" and it is something that we prioritize in our society. We view arrogance as a very bad thing, such as when a wife cheats on her husband, we say "Walang hiya!" or something akin to "Has she no shame?!" So, when an interviewer tells you what you often hear, they are trying not to hurt your pride by giving you a direct "No." and are allowing you to "save face" so that you are not shamed and can walk forward to other interviews with dignity.

Andy and Jared: ...

-End Case Study

Quote:Uncertainty Avoidance Index (UAI) - describes the degree to which the members of a society feel uncomfortable with uncertainty and ambiguity. Cultures with a strong UAI try to control the future by maintaining rigid codes of belief and behavior, societies with a weak UAI tend to let the future just happen by maintaining a more relaxed attitude. In connection to intercultural communication, a high score implies that written communication is more favored than oral communication that relates to contractual finalization of processes and agreements and detailed documentation. Furthermore, rather anxious cultures are more expressive, often use their hands while talking and a loud speech is expected.

Filipino society is highly ritualized with lots of ceremonies and fanfare, they tend to "live in the now." which also speaks to their time orientation. Where as Americans in contrast, want to have a systematic overview that comes back to the point that a lot of background information is needed beforehand in order to understand what is presented. When you ask some chick in the Philippines what they think you should have for dinner (Which is not something you, as a true blooded Red-Piller, would normally do to American chicks.) you'll typically get the response "Kahit ano. Ikaw?" ('Anything. What about you?'). Or have you ever heard of the common Filipino term "Bahala na." ('Come what may.' or 'We'll see.')?

Not only are context, time orientation, and these other facets I've mentioned crucial to consider but also the factors of space and information flow. Which I'm not even going to get into... *breathes*

I put forward that you as the more worldly traveler (and an upright Red Pill digesting swashbuckler!) would need to adapt and reason based on above evidence that what you see isn't a simple case of low IQ. I remember vividly, when I was a FOB (Fresh Off the Boat) back in 2001 in Michigan, that I was eager to date American girls. I was aghast to find out that a good majority of them were fucking stupid, not even knowing the order of the planets in the solar system... something that I learned in first grade science at my runty little school in Quezon City. What I did not realize back then were the depths of perspective and degree which I've mentioned above. The different facets that explain cultural differences evolving to become what they are. And how I have been looking at the "stupid Americans" with a different lens. Ultimately, I've learned that as daring travelers and as proud and rational men, we must take it upon ourselves to learn and adapt to the cultures we find ourselves living in.

Let me leave you guys with a couple of quotes:

“It has been said that arguing against globalization is like arguing against the laws of gravity.”
-Kofi Anan (Ghanian Diplomat, 7th Sec Gen of the UN)

"We often use the phrase 'he/she is an intelligent person.' However, a truly intelligent person does not simply use the brain, but also uses his/her ki (heart, mind, attention). In fact, the person who is the most intelligent is the one who uses his/her ki towards other people."
-Suzuki (Japanese Philosopher)

Enigma, here is a nod of Respect, from one Pinoy at heart to another:



Inuman na tayo!

And finally, if you didn't bother to read all that... here's a 'Too Long, Didn't Read Version' for your convenience:

TLDR: Try dating a college graduate from U.P. or Ateneo and tell me if you still have the same opinion of them.

Post: #1414

(04-04-2015 03:52 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  Hopefully we can keep the reality-of-IQ debate out of this, I'm a published researcher in this area and I believe a "G". or the general neuro-physical ability to learn and function is a physical reality, and not a political argument.

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Now half ARE BELOW EVEN THAT LEVEL. down in the 75 to 80 range.... This is a big problem , I had foolishly assumed General IQ was similar across cultures, which I see now is absolute naive bullshit. ( Smart people can quickly reverse their opinions in the face of hard data. )

You are a published researcher in the area of IQ/g, but it took you recent personal experiences before realizing that IQ varies across population groups within and across nations, despite decades of separate, replicated studies confirming that this is indeed the case, alongside support from IQ-laden tests such as the SATs and PISA?

(04-04-2015 04:05 AM)RawGod Wrote:  Agree about the importance of IQ, IKE. (For the record, I don't think it's genetic/racially based - at least not strongly so. Nutrition, environment and epigenetics seem to be more important.)

You rule out the importance of genetics, but deem epigenetics to be more important, when the former has decades of verified support, reliability, replicability in predicting phenotypes such as human IQ, and the latter in its common usage (trans-generational transfer of experiences to affect phenotypic expression) is unlikely to exist at all, suffering from severe issues of replicability and diagnostic consistency?



Epigenetics is a retreat position--a deux ex machina--for leftist blank slatists, who have seen their hopes and dreams slaughtered by genetics research over the past few decades. Don't fall for it.

(04-04-2015 07:03 PM)Dagnasty Wrote:  It's terribly racist but I do agree with a lot of it. It takes a tremendous amount of patience to stay here long term.

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For me, my new rule is South East Asians for bangs and East Asians for LTR's.

No need to label it "racist" and/or imply that there's something wrong with observing what may be average differences between populations.

This board prides itself on being "red pill," we shouldn't all of a sudden need to walk around on egg shells like we're in Sociology class at UC Irvine when the subject of population group differences come up.

(04-04-2015 02:34 PM)Stompin_Tom Wrote:  The average IQ is actually lower than 86. I read an article about how the Filipino government skewed the results by signing up the more talented people to take the IQ tests. I can dig it up if you want.

I don't recall off the top of my head about the Philippines in particular, but I have also read suggestions that in some countries, test results such as the PISA can be skewed upwards because those countries are lackadaisical in making truant students take the test, and truant students are disproportionately dumber.

Anyway, for the record, as some of you noted, most of the mean IQ difference between the Philippines (as a nation) and U.S. whites is likely due to nutrition. One can kind of proxy this because the mean height in the Philippines is very short. National IQ increases (the Flynn Effect) tend to occur with height increases. Note that the Flynn Effect has stopped or even reversed in Western nations.

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(04-04-2015 02:34 PM)Stompin_Tom Wrote:  I've noticed Enigma will defend all things Filipino to the death.

Do you want facts or do you want ego placating fiction?

There are plenty of things I find quite annoying here.

The difference is I don't go to countries and skim the surface for a couple months, never learning anything about the culture or language, then post broad generalizations about a population of 100 million spread across over a thousand islands.

In fact, you'll notice I almost never post definitive statements about anything, I simply offer a counterpoint to the people that do. I just said that there are plenty of dumbasses here, but I'm not going to lie and say everyone is stupid or pretend like the US isn't overloaded with idiots either.

But hey, continue with your circle jerk where everyone agrees with you.

Quote:I spent 2 and half months there and most of them are fucking stupid. No two ways about it, regardless of language fluency. I've spent time in many other countries where English fluency is much less than in the Philippines but they manage to figure things out without a quarter of the confusion.

That's not the point. The point is that most people assume that Filipinos speak English better than they do, as IKE just admitted after I mentioned it.

Foreigners do not speak to Pinoys the same way they would to Thais, Chinese, Japanese, etc. because everyone thinks, "oh, they know English!"

And it is considered ignorant among the Filipino middle class not to know good, proper English. They will actually make fun of each other for it.

That's why they "put on a show", so to speak, with native speakers. They think they need to be absolutely perfect, not knowing that native speakers usually talk very colloquially amongst themselves and don't really care.

If you adjust your English to their actual level of understanding, and not the one they're getting a "nosebleed" trying to maintain for appearances, you don't have these same kinds of problems as frequently.

Quote:The average IQ is actually lower than 86. I read an article about how the Filipino government skewed the results by signing up the more talented people to take the IQ tests. I can dig it up if you want.

FilipinoCupid has especially dumb girls though because most of them are from poor places, trying to leach onto a foreigner to dig them out of whatever slum they live in. That being said, I met / fucked plenty of girls off Tinder that were dumb as a post too.

I've met plenty of dumb girls online dating in the US. What is the point here?

Apples to apples.

Quote:I never managed to make a single emotional connection with any girls in the Philippines for this reason. To make a real connection you need a woman who's in the same ball park as you intellectually.

Examples of people who aren't in the same ball park as you intellectually: your child, your grandmother with dementia, your uncle who had a stroke

"Sorry, son, but how can I connect with you emotionally when you can't even count?

And, newsflash: Women are not as smart as men.

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(04-04-2015 04:02 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 03:48 AM)cmrectro Wrote:  Something here is really pissing me off. Anyone ever notice FC changing your city on you? you can have your city as Nw York cuz that is where you are from and want that. You are going about your business when you randomly notice there it s now set as Manila, Manila! wtf? who is fucking around with my profile? lol I don't want my location to be tinkered with and don't understand why it keeps changing without me wanting or even knowing until a chatmate mentions it to me!

Wild guess, could it be keying off your listed phone number ( former database programmer here)

No I have no listed phone number and either way I know it is not that because it just happens to be that today it did the same stupid thing again! only this time it randomly changed my profile to Cebu! So it really is just random. I wondered why people started making Cebu-related comments to me and I wondered why all of this now. Then one happened to specifically mention my profile was set to Cebu. if they don't go and tell me I don't even realize. This is sooo annoying. I had some users complain I was lying. All because this site keeps randomly changing my city. Every 3 times I edit my profile, it changes my city to a random one in the Philippines. I want to keep my profile set to Texas where I am from, even when I am in the Philippines.

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Enigma, you always make the same argument. "You haven't been here super long and you haven't studied the country and you don't know the people like I do and there are 100 million people so you can't make generalizations blah blah blah". Actually ya, I can make generalizations, and those generalizations will help people on this forum because that's what they're likely to encounter too. Maybe you don't realize what forum you're on, but guys are going there to fuck girls. They don't give a fuck about the culture and knowing about it won't change the fact the the girls are fucking stupid. You don't need vast cultural knowledge to figure out how stupid someone is. Spending time with them is more than enough.

Apparently everyone else's anecdotal evidence never stacks up against yours because of your superior knowledge of the culture and people.

Your comparing connections to family members with women doesn't make sense. Two completely different things. Again, I guess your anecdotal evidence of having great connections with morons trumps mine of not.

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http://www.mensaphilippines.org/

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(04-05-2015 04:47 AM)Stompin_Tom Wrote:  Apparently everyone else's anecdotal evidence never stacks up against yours because of your superior knowledge of the culture and people.

This is the root of it here.

How dare anyone have a different opinion that you!? You're a special little snowflake.

I probably have a better perspective than someone who spent two months here, just like guys like Scott Free and YardDog have a much better perspective than I do.

People who spend more time with something tend to known more about it. That's how life works.

I mean, do you want a participation ribbon or something? Someone give this guy a pity rep point so he can stop crying.

Regarding "anecdotal evidence", the funny thing is that it's not.

Something like 20% of the population has recent Chinese ancestry, almost 2% is pure Chinese, and it's believed that all Austronesians actually came directly from what is modern day Taiwan. That is factual evidence, based on genetic predisposition, that not everyone here is stupid.

The language and cultural differences I described are facts, as in they are verifiable and repeatable.

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(04-05-2015 05:30 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 04:47 AM)Stompin_Tom Wrote:  Apparently everyone else's anecdotal evidence never stacks up against yours because of your superior knowledge of the culture and people.

This is the root of it here.

How dare anyone have a different opinion that you!? You're a special little snowflake.

I probably have a better perspective than someone who spent two months here, just like guys like Scott Free and YardDog have a much better perspective than I do.

People who spend more time with something tend to known more about it. That's how life works.

I mean, do you want a participation ribbon or something? Someone give this guy a pity rep point so he can stop crying.

Regarding "anecdotal evidence", the funny thing is that it's not.

Something like 20% of the population has recent Chinese ancestry, almost 2% is pure Chinese, and it's believed that all Austronesians actually came directly from what is modern day Taiwan. That is factual evidence, based on genetic predisposition, that not everyone here is stupid.

The language and cultural differences I described are facts, as in they are verifiable and repeatable.

You're right man, most the girls you will encounter in the Philippines are beautiful, sharp, witty, have a great sense of humor and you will fall in love almost immediately. All of the frustrating aspects the country will melt away into the background when you come in contact with these angelic creatures. I just hadn't spent enough time in the country to see where you were coming from or studied enough about the cultural differences to see it on first glance.

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I've never had an LTR with a Pinay, and I only spent a couple months in the Phils, but I believe people are people no matter where you go.

There were times I got the sense Filipinos act differently when they are engaging with a foriegner. Depending on their own internal feelings about them this can be to your benefit or detriment. Much like anywhere else in the world.

If it's to your detriment the experience can make you view them (as a whole) in a negative way, especially if you have a string of them. I caught myself feeling that way, even had a very public meltdown post on this thread because of it.

I think the desire for an "intelligent" woman is either a product of the West, or just an unconscious desire to have it "all" in a woman. Brains and Beauty. The opposites all in one. It really doesn't exist, at least not in a person. There's always a trade-off.

Better to find a woman who's inwardly developed. That most often occurs when they haven't been spoiled as a child and had the right amount of suffering.

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I got back last night from a week long reconnaissance or scouting mission in Manila. What a place!

It was my first time in the Phils and I purposely did a short trip to see what t was all about. A toe in the water. Scouting if I want to revisit the place. I wanted to see what the women are like and if I can be a playa there at my age (late 40s) and with what quality.

Despite picking a bad week to go (Easter Holy Week, I never even considered that until I got there) I can say it's a poosy paradise.

I smashed two high quality girls. I could have smashed more but I was cock blocked by Holy Week (a lot of places close down stating Wednesday, and a lot of the girls travel to the provinces to spend Easter with family). Plus I liked one of the girls and kept her around for company and smashing.

I'm still getting emails from girls I met on the street and exchanged email addresses with but who I didn't meet for dates due to logistics. They want me to come back and to visit them (they probably want to get married too LOL).

These Filipinas like to put up a lot of LMR but the panties do eventually come off.

I met my first smash in the mall (I stayed in Makati). I told her she looked like Jessica Alba and she said every American guy tells her that. She called me out for hitting on her saying she isn't one of those slutty Filipina girls who sleeps with foreigners. I said "ok, ok, I met another girl anyway." She was intrigued by the other girl and asked a lot of questions. I told her I was going on a day long tour with her the next day. We ended up talking for a long time and hit it off. I asked her to come to the pool at my condo. She was like "huh? you're crazy!" Then after awhile "and I don't even have a bathing suit here." I said it will be dark you can skinny dip. She blushed and had a look of shock on her face, but laughed and said "you are so crazy dusty." I said "hey, why don't I buy you a bathing suit here in the mall." She eventually gave in. As we were looking at bathing suits she said "everyone must think I'm a slut, buying a 2 piece with a foreigner." It cost like $7. Long story short, she came over for a swim, then I talked her into staying overnight in the condo so she doesn't have to go out in the dark (take the couch), eventually convinced her to move from the couch to the bed, battled LMR and being pushed away several times, then Bang!

The next morning I had to meet my other girl for the tour, and "Jessica" said I better sweep the place for evidence if she comes over. We cleared the garbage of the condom and wrapper, and found as many of Jessica's hairs as we could and disposed of them.

Me and Jessica had breakfast at Starbucks, then we went our separate ways as I went to meet the other girl at a hotel where the tour pick up was. As I was walking up to the hotel I looked at the Starbucks cup in my hand and it had "Jessica" (her real name actually) written on the cup as she ordered it for me. Fuck! I quickly found a garbage can and got rid of the evidence.

So me and my second smash met and did the tour. Let's call her Daphne. She's a 22 year old real sweet and cute girl. I met her two days before in the park in front of my condo. She was sitting in a bench alone reading a book. I insta dated her that evening, but we didn't even kiss. A real sweetheart, she kept saying "Dusty, you make me smile so much, my cheeks hurt." Anyway, I asked her if she wanted to tour manila since she is relatively new to Manila.

Long story short, I had a lovely time with Daphne during the tour (is that beta?). Afterwards we went grocery shopping and and she cooked me dinner at my condo. She slept in the same bed but no bang. She said she only had intercourse once in her life, with an inexperienced boyfriend and they didn't know what they were doing. Anyway, we ended up hanging out together the rest of my trip. She works for an international firm so she didn't get off for holy week. She called in sick one day though and we spent most of the day in the condo or at the pool. The last night she let me bang her. She was so tight I couldn't fit my whole dick in. She kept saying "ouch ouch" and "gentler please". She worked my last day, but came over after work. My flight was 10pm so we did one more smash. This one went a lot better. Got the whole thing in.

My scouting mission conclusion?: I shall return.

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(04-05-2015 04:47 AM)Stompin_Tom Wrote:  Enigma, you always make the same argument. "You haven't been here super long and you haven't studied the country and you don't know the people like I do and there are 100 million people so you can't make generalizations blah blah blah". Actually ya, I can make generalizations, and those generalizations will help people on this forum because that's what they're likely to encounter too.

Firstly, it's a valid argument. Secondly, he's not saying you can't generalize. He's giving perfectly sound reasons why you should choose not to. Whether you listen or not is of course completely up to you. There's overwhelming evidence that it's not just a simple case of "these fucking Pinays are all stupid." That kind of generalization will cost the people on these forums when they go to the Philippines with such a misguided perspective and in the worst case, they could get ripped off by a predatory Pinay pro who was not as stupid as they initially thought and THAT could land some in legal bullshit simply because of their underestimation.

(04-05-2015 04:47 AM)Stompin_Tom Wrote:  Maybe you don't realize what forum you're on, but guys are going there to fuck girls. They don't give a fuck about the culture and knowing about it won't change the fact the the girls are fucking stupid.

Come on, have a bit of respect for the guy. He's made far more valuable and proven contributions to the forum. Let me put this in your terms, his insight allows greater understanding of Pinays which lead to better interactions with them which opens up more/better bangs.

(04-05-2015 04:47 AM)Stompin_Tom Wrote:  You don't need vast cultural knowledge to figure out how stupid someone is. Spending time with them is more than enough.

Define 'stupid'? The issue is it matters largely on perspective.

If it's "They can't do math." then yeah, the ones you've come across are stupid according to your definition. Are you looking for more intellectual girls? Try dating a college chick from the higher institutions like UP, Ateneo, La Salle, etc.

If it's "They can't even get to McDonald's at 3pm to meet me." then you've just ignored all the cultural evidence we've tried to present as to why and how this is happening. And how taking the time to understand it will give you a much less troublesome experience. BTW, this is inherently a (language and time) cultural difference. There are fewer words in Tagalog than in English, for example, we have the same word for "him" and "her" (siya) and directional words have already been stated such as "sa". Time is viewed differently by Filipinos. We're not as strict with it as Americans are. If a ferry is leaving port for another island, expect 30 mins to an hour before or after the stated time, especially in provinces where life is more laid back. Airports though, being that they deal with more foreigners will be more strict time wise. If there is still some trouble grasping this, let me put it this way: When a Jamaican man, long black dreadlocks and hand on his blunt as he puffs one out, says to you "Yeah mon, I'll be there at noon, noooo problem!" would you really expect him to be there at exactly 12 noon? Why is that?

Also consider that in the same way, a Pinay could easily view you as 'stupid' as well. She could think to herself "What an obnoxious foreigner this is. He speaks so loudly in this fine dining restaurant and it is disrupting others who are having a quiet conversation. Does he not notice the non verbal language being thrown at him? People here are getting uncomfortable around him and so am I. Perhaps this was a bad idea. They're starting to stare at me now." Incidentally, this is something Filipinos call "ilang" which is a shared word that either means "How many?" or "Which one of these/them?" (Ilang linggo ko sya hihintayin? How many weeks must I wait for him?) or it can also mean, more to the point: "Social discomfort" (Naiilang ako dito. I am not comfortable/at ease here.)

My recommendation is to take a step back and do what we, as men, do so well. Think critically and use reason. You can certainly ignore all of what has been presented and avoid "connecting with morons" or choose to get attuned with the Filipino culture and experience better quality bangs more often. Which, I would think, is not exclusively applicable to only the Philippines but rather useful anywhere in the world where cultures are starkly contrasting.

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(04-05-2015 12:03 PM)Dusty Wrote:  My scouting mission conclusion?: I shall return.

Fantastic job! Also, as a Filipino who is passionate about history and is very appreciative of what the US has done for us during WWII, I really dig the MacArthur reference.



Bravo!

Edit: grammar

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Well done Scott Free

Self control in the face of chaos will take you far. My step mother is second generation, her parents were both native born and her father fought with the resistance forces while awaiting the "return". It wouldn't be wise for someone to call my new "mama" stupid, I am not sure I could be so eloquent in my response.