Post: #476

From now on whenever I feel the slightest itch to place a 10's pussy on a pedestal, I'll just imagine her getting a C̶l̶e̶v̶e̶l̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶S̶t̶e̶a̶m̶e̶r̶ Dubai Deuce dropped on her.

Post: #477

(03-03-2015 12:02 PM)Pride male Wrote:  A glimpse into the Secret Society. Alphas only.

I don't know how to do that strikethrough thing.

But it should say Money Only.

Flying a chick and putting her up resources actual $$$ in addition to paying her.

Post: #478

(03-03-2015 02:25 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  I don't know how to do that strikethrough thing.

But it should say Money Only.

Flying a chick and putting her up resources actual $$$ in addition to paying her.

Sam, you're on point.

There's nothing "alpha" about tricking off money.

That saying, "I ain't trickin' if you got it", no it's still trickin'.

And if the money isn't a part of the equation, the women will be absent as well.

Post: #479

Quote:This. The thing that terrifies me the most that this news not even surprised me. I reached the point where nothing shock me about people. Reading a lot of books about history helped to reach this point also.

I'm also a big reader, both fiction/literature and non-fiction including books about history and politics. That contributed to the lack of shock when reading this thread. There really is nothing new under the sun.

Quote:Vronsky, an in depth ROK article about this would be great and you seem to know your stuff. Why not consider writing one?

It might help not only knock some sense into a lot of guys, but highlight just how bad it is to the traffic and expose all of these degenerates.

Thanks for the offer Libertas. I prefer to share my thoughts on the forum but anyone who reads this thread and my posts can feel free to run with it and write an article for ROK.

Quote:Vronsky, over the past few years, my interest in visiting Dubai was becoming less and less... and now I think I've lost all interest in visiting that area.

I agree with you. Menace mentioned how a certain type of tourist is very impressed with a place like Dubai...that usually clues me in on their lack of worldiness. The places a cultured person would want to visit in the Middle East are unfortunately embroiled in war and uncertainty right now. Syria would have been my first option. The rest of the Levant is good as well. In the Gulf area, I recommend Oman. It's a tad more cultured, less depraved and more relaxed with some excellent scenery.

Quote:Met with a friend of mine who works for an Arab airline yesterday, she was in town and I brought this up.

According to her at least 30% of the air-hostesses are involved. They do it for the gifts, the money and materials and they have all these inside jokes regarding this. I know she comes from a conservative, well-off family and is well educated to the point that she is doing this gig for the travelling. She was shocked when she came across this. Ha.

Noir, I bet you anything she was working for Emirates Airline. They are known for only hiring the most beautiful of women and they recruit from all over the world.

Quote:Vronsky basically summarized everything I felt in Dubai. It's a place full of empty. I went to the top of the Burj Khalifa and looked out on the land. There is nothing out there, just desert. It has no reason in the world to exist. Their easy oil money bought them gleaming towers, but the place has no soul whatsoever. More to the point, it has a whiff of evil to it, if you are sensitive to these things. Most tourists of a lower class would be easily wowed by the malls, indoor skiing, infrastructure, and all that crap. It's all an illusion. At one point I wished that a squadron of B2's would descend on the place and turn it back into the dust from which it came.

Menace, lots of people feel the same way you do. There is a very dark undercurrent to this place that all the gleaming towers and shiny marketing campaigns can't cover up. As Quintus Curtius said, their day of reckoning is coming.

Quote:You going off script with this.
This is against the Red Pill party line.

WIA

WIA, I read your response to Jariel and figured you were being sarcastic. I don't really consider myself as part of the manosphere and part ways with them on several points, not just this one. Frankly, I never needed the red pill as my family is red pill through and through. One of my uncles is constantly berated for marrying a woman with a child and my siblings and I were always lectured on the importance of marrying future spouses with stable family lives, i.e. not marrying fatherless men or women. I do expect a baseline level of attractiveness in a wife but other factors like her family, upbringing, values and yes, smarts and education, all factor in when considering marriage.

Men who forego everything for beauty deserve exactly what they get, and to me, it's still part of the mindset of placing pussy on a pedestal.

Post: #480

Jariel, there are certain contexts where it makes sense to drop money on a girl. Lack of time is one of them. The opportunity cost of "gaming" a single chick is sometimes not worth it. These guys basically order hot chicks in bulk.

Post: #481

(03-03-2015 02:47 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 02:25 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  I don't know how to do that strikethrough thing.

But it should say Money Only.

Flying a chick and putting her up resources actual $$$ in addition to paying her.

Sam, you're on point.

There's nothing "alpha" about tricking off money.

That saying, "I ain't trickin' if you got it", no it's still trickin'.

And if the money isn't a part of the equation, the women will be absent as well.

Game and money are both resources allowing you to accomplish things that those lacking in game and money cannot. But they work on different principles.

Money still trumps game for short-term hookups. Put it this way, in 9 out of 10 cases even the best game is going to allow you to take a dump on those fly IG chicks, but money will.

They work on two different principles though. Money is something that women want. It's a physical thing that women WANT and will do stuff for. Game is immaterial and is not something that women will explicitly go out of the way to seek out.

The best is to have both money and game. But then again, that's what men have always: money, power & girls. That's what it means to be a man.

Post: #482

(03-03-2015 03:16 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  Jariel, there are certain contexts where it makes sense to drop money on a girl. Lack of time is one of them. The opportunity cost of "gaming" a single chick is sometimes not worth it. These guys basically order hot chicks in bulk.

That wasn't the point.

Pride made it to point to make it seem like this is an "Alpha only" zone.

No, this is a "rich men who don't have a problem tricking off their money" zone.

These women aren't getting on the plane because these men are alphas, they're doing it because the compensation from these men for getting on the plane is worth their time and energy.

Again, if you subtract the money from the equation, you'd cancel out the women.

Post: #483

I honestly think money and game overlap. Dont think they are completely separate. Location, fashion, transport, venue bouncing, comfort building (with alcohol), LTRs and other aspects of game are money dependent.

Post: #484

(03-03-2015 02:47 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 02:25 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  I don't know how to do that strikethrough thing.

But it should say Money Only.

Flying a chick and putting her up resources actual $$$ in addition to paying her.

Sam, you're on point.

There's nothing "alpha" about tricking off money.

That saying, "I ain't trickin' if you got it", no it's still trickin'.

And if the money isn't a part of the equation, the women will be absent as well.

I go back and forth on that.

I think when we talk about rappers and athletes, they're fucked either way

- Break a chick off a few stacks and he's a simp

- Run and gun- chicks on his jock cause he's a jock, he might slip up or get caught up when the chick pokes holes in the condom, or doesn't swallow it all.

- Have a side bitch gunning to be his main bitch, and he has no pimp hand

- Wife up a chick, pre-nup or not, she's gonna get his ass for the child support

I feel sorry for those guys.

These Arab dudes, none of that type of shit is happening.

The only leverage these chicks have is pussy.
They don't even have the same moral background, so these whores can't take the moral high ground.

I shit on your chest so you can have some red bottom shoes.
And you come back for more.
You brag about it.
You try to get your friends involved.
Strangers look up to you

Put yourself in an Emir's state of mind.

"This oil that means nothing to me.
It brings me all this paper that I can't even begin to contemplate.
And these stupid whores will debase themselves and lose their souls for painted cowhides in the form of shoes and purses."

These whores are really just objects for sex.
I have a pride of lions in the backyard and a garage full of Italian bulls and horses.

And now a rotating harem. I don't need to kill myself for 72 virgins, when I can fuck 700 whores while I live.

These whores, these westerners, all beneath me. Peasants, serfs, slaves.

....

Like someone said earlier, you got basically a handful of men on planet of 7 billion who live in Paradise and without peer.

This is what they do with it.

Or as Patrice O'Neal said,

2 Girls, 1 Cup.

WIA

Post: #485

(03-03-2015 03:27 PM)monster Wrote:  Game and money are both resources allowing you to accomplish things that those lacking in game and money cannot. But they work on different principles.

Money still trumps game for short-term hookups. Put it this way, in 9 out of 10 cases even the best game is going to allow you to take a dump on those fly IG chicks, but money will.

They work on two different principles though. Money is something that women want. It's a physical thing that women WANT and will do stuff for. Game is immaterial and is not something that women will explicitly go out of the way to seek out.

The best is to have both money and game. But then again, that's what men have always: money, power & girls. That's what it means to be a man.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, part of your post is water is wet commentary and part of it doesn't really have anything to do with this particular topic because "Tag Your Sponsor" has absolutely nothing to do with game -- at least not from the male's perspective.

When guys buy pussy, they're saying, "I don't need game because I can use the money to do the talking for me. The money will motivate her to do whatever I want her to do."

Let's stop trying to co-mingle these two things as if there's any level of game being ran in a situation in which some rich men's peons comb through IG profiles to find chicks who are willing to take fresh start money to fly to their countries to be degraded over a holiday weekend.

Post: #486

(03-03-2015 03:27 PM)monster Wrote:  Money still trumps game for short-term hookups. Put it this way, in 9 out of 10 cases even the best game is going to allow you to take a dump on those fly IG chicks, but money will.

Gulf State money sure.
Bill Gates money sure.
Jay Z money and fame, sure

But take a washed up rapper, a junior investment banker, a guy that works out a lot, a great dancer, a generically tall guy, a guy with a cute face and nice style, and a guy that only has a tight verbal game - and it's anyone's guess who comes out on top.

I know when I was making 12 bucks an hour, I routinely boxed out guys making 80-90k.
They roll up in a new BMW, and I left with chicks in my Honda Civic. I miss that Civic.

Now if Warren Buffet somehow found himself at a spot that I'm in, and folks recognized him, that cute little thing I been working on might go found out what the old man is all about.

Aside from that though, mere mortal money isn't so much of a draw that it beats game.
Conventional sums aren't really a trump card. Unfathomable money, or even the appearance of, that's what can kick game to the side. (and even then, these bitches get banged out by regular dudes when they're back at home)

And if you're in a spot with a lot of Ferraris and Lambos in the lot, believe me, the bartender is getting tips and his dick sucked.

WIA

Post: #487

(03-03-2015 01:49 PM)Wutang Wrote:  From now on whenever I feel the slightest itch to place a 10's pussy on a pedestal, I'll just imagine her getting a C̶l̶e̶v̶e̶l̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶S̶t̶e̶a̶m̶e̶r̶ Dubai Deuce dropped on her.

Lol the "Dubai Deuce" - pure gold.

Man, I saw some sponsorship in moscow no doubt, but this is on a different level. Many of these western girls just completely lack any shame or have any sort of a moral compass (indeed, are literally taught they can do anything they want, YOLO, "you don't need a man," pedastalized etc.) so it's not suprising they are taking gold digging to extreme levels. Pretty sad statement on society. I guess that's what you get with the breakdown of the family, loss of religious morals (even if you don't really practice but grew up with them), extreme consumerism, "frivorce" etc.

Still it doesn't really shock me - society reaps what is sows.

Post: #488

(03-03-2015 03:45 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 03:27 PM)monster Wrote:  Game and money are both resources allowing you to accomplish things that those lacking in game and money cannot. But they work on different principles.

Money still trumps game for short-term hookups. Put it this way, in 9 out of 10 cases even the best game is going to allow you to take a dump on those fly IG chicks, but money will.

They work on two different principles though. Money is something that women want. It's a physical thing that women WANT and will do stuff for. Game is immaterial and is not something that women will explicitly go out of the way to seek out.

The best is to have both money and game. But then again, that's what men have always: money, power & girls. That's what it means to be a man.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, part of your post is water is wet commentary and part of it doesn't really have anything to do with this particular topic because "Tag Your Sponsor" has absolutely nothing to do with game -- at least not from the male's perspective.

When guys buy pussy, they're saying, "I don't need game because I can use the money to do the talking for me. The money will motivate her to do whatever I want her to do."

Let's stop trying to co-mingle these two things as if there's any level of game being ran in a situation in which some rich men's peons comb through IG profiles to find chicks who are willing to take fresh start money to fly to their countries to be degraded over a holiday weekend.

Using money only is still some kind of game. Game itself is your makeup of how you deal with and approach social matters concerning anything from women to corporate work environments. Even not using any game is still a kind of game.

All that said, the younger guys (especially you Pride male) need to make sure they understand that interactions with women are not about choosing one over the other. Money can be a facet of someone's overall game. They are not mutually exclusive.

Post: #489

(03-03-2015 03:38 PM)Pride male Wrote:  I honestly think money and game overlap. Dont think they are completely separate. Location, fashion, transport, venue bouncing, comfort building (with alcohol), LTRs and other aspects of game are money dependent.

At some level it is impossible to extricate the two from each other, of course, but this is pretty incorrect.

Location: Benefits your whole life.
Fashion: Benefits all your relationships, benefits your self-esteem, etc...
Transport: Benefits all aspects of your life. If you're choosing your car just because of the women it gets you, you're failing.
Venue bouncing: I regularly venue bounce, I like to find the best place to be, with the best crowd/vibe. I think this benefits me greatly, but I know a lot of guys do this purely for the girl to be more comfortable with them, so I'll give you this one.
Comfort building (with alcohol): Alcohol is not actually that expensive especially if you do dates starting/ending at your place. If buying a girl a drink is a deciding factor in you getting laid, your game is not strong enough.

Game is a skillset. It doesn't take any skill for these guys born into wealth to offer a girl $30k to come get shit on.

Post: #490

(03-03-2015 07:02 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  All I want now is to surround myself with friends who are like me, and minimize the contact time with others.

This is simply the wisdom that comes with age and experience.

This is exactly where I am in my life, and a genius friend non-forum friend of mine is.

He's of the opinion that what he calls 'Mundanes', and what I think of as 'Blue Pill Thinkers', are not only toxic, damaging company - only interested in holding each other down and making each other lesser out of their own petty, bitter resentments that anyone else should dare posses what they deserve - but dangerous, due to their tendency to thoughtlessly-bend to the will of the mob.

He said, eventually, you limit your exposure to them.

My ex-girlfriend was always astounded by the talented, driven people I 'seemed to know', and asked me how I met them. All I could say was "Like attracts like: strive to be exceptional."

I'm very wary now of opening my life up to unknown people whose psychology I haven't been exposed to for longer periods of time, even if they aren't displaying the more obvious warning signs of toxicity: obesity, self-uglification, rainbow hair, indeterminate gender, sloppy presentation. In 98% of cases, the damage outweighs the benefits: let the unexceptional attract itself.

Post: #491

(03-03-2015 03:53 PM)Akula Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 01:49 PM)Wutang Wrote:  From now on whenever I feel the slightest itch to place a 10's pussy on a pedestal, I'll just imagine her getting a C̶l̶e̶v̶e̶l̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶S̶t̶e̶a̶m̶e̶r̶ Dubai Deuce dropped on her.

Lol the "Dubai Deuce" - pure gold.

Man, I saw some sponsorship in moscow no doubt, but this is on a different level. Many of these western girls just completely lack any shame or have any sort of a moral compass (indeed, are literally taught they can do anything they want, YOLO, "you don't need a man," pedastalized etc.) so it's not suprising they are taking gold digging to extreme levels. Pretty sad statement on society. I guess that's what you get with the breakdown of the family, loss of religious morals (even if you don't really practice but grew up with them), extreme consumerism, "frivorce" etc.

Still it doesn't really shock me - society reaps what is sows.

Akula, you must realize that the greatest contingent of whores in Dubai and the rest of the UAE are Russian and EE women?. This board places Russian women on some sort of pedestal (I like them a lot of myself) but around the world, Russian woman = prostitute, for good reason.

Post: #492

(03-03-2015 04:19 PM)Vronsky Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 03:53 PM)Akula Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 01:49 PM)Wutang Wrote:  From now on whenever I feel the slightest itch to place a 10's pussy on a pedestal, I'll just imagine her getting a C̶l̶e̶v̶e̶l̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶S̶t̶e̶a̶m̶e̶r̶ Dubai Deuce dropped on her.

Lol the "Dubai Deuce" - pure gold.

Man, I saw some sponsorship in moscow no doubt, but this is on a different level. Many of these western girls just completely lack any shame or have any sort of a moral compass (indeed, are literally taught they can do anything they want, YOLO, "you don't need a man," pedastalized etc.) so it's not suprising they are taking gold digging to extreme levels. Pretty sad statement on society. I guess that's what you get with the breakdown of the family, loss of religious morals (even if you don't really practice but grew up with them), extreme consumerism, "frivorce" etc.

Still it doesn't really shock me - society reaps what is sows.

Akula, you must realize that the greatest contingent of whores in Dubai and the rest of the UAE are Russian and EE women?. This board places Russian women on some sort of pedestal (I like them a lot of myself) but around the world, Russian woman = prostitute, for good reason.

I hear you but location is probably part of the reason for that (i.e. it's only a 5 hour flight to Dubai).

There were / are so many mini-garchs sponsoring a lot of these girls that the general consensus in Moscow at least was that many didn't have time for foreigners. Lots don't speak any English too. But I'm sure many end up whoring themselves out to your average run of the mill Arab sheik too - $$$ talks.

Still, I'm not at all in the camp that Russian women are generally gold diggin' hoes on the level of the more attractive women in the west, at least not the ones living and working in Russia mostly. Many that move west do get corrupted for sure and I think the forum is pretty much in unison about that so perhaps those women add to the mix.

For me, the fact that so many native Western women are doing it despite their huge social safety net and much higher standard of living is more striking. I can almost understand some poor Russian or EE girl doing it, to a certain extent. I don't want to make these Russians out to all be angels..they are not. But generally the women there want a man and respect them generally, are feminine and are more conservative which equals less whoring on the whole.

I also think the gold-digger phenomenon is larger in the West due to a general lack of respect for men (or men being perceived as chumps or easy targets, which many are), non-existant morals, anti-male laws and social norms (and the Thirst, due to lack of reasonable dating/mating options) which make it easier for women to do this type of shit and think it's ok. And the fact that there are so many of these "hostesses/bartenders/dancers etc." types who apparently do it all the time but in the West are not necessesarily treated like the hoes they really are (until now!).

Just food for thought.

Post: #493

(03-03-2015 01:20 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 12:58 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 10:44 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  You going off script with this.
This is against the Red Pill party line.

WIA

WIA, please elaborate on your point here, because at the moment, I disagree.

I think what he's saying is actually quite red pill in nature.

He used the "i" word, intelligent, when discussing women!

It was qualified with "more" so as to suggest relative intelligence, but the red pill position on women's intelligence is "divided".

Which is part of the reason why guys are shunning women with Western educations and their desires to take part in the economy for women who know their place. Be it small town conservative women in flyover America, South East Asian chicks, EE's, or Latinas.

That's part of the problem with the overall manosphere. There are a lot of widely held beliefs that make sense in isolation, but not as a coherent philosophy.

WIA

That's what I understood too. Some guys post the opinion that you have to marry up some ugly fat broad to have a faithful wife. Of course character is by far more important and an ideal 7 may get bumped up to a wife-material 9 for life, but there is nothing wrong with aiming for the 9 if she is the right LTR-material in addition to that.

Post: #494

(03-03-2015 03:57 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Using money only is still some kind of game. Game itself is your makeup of how you deal with and approach social matters concerning anything from women to corporate work environments. Even not using any game is still a kind of game.

I guess I just have a certain definition of what game means. If we start extending it to all of these different things, then game becomes whatever one wants it to be, which really leads to the conclusion that there is no such thing as game, and I just don't prescribe to that notion.

"Money only" is not game to me.

When you call up a chick on BP or get dances from a stripper at a club, you're not running game.

I'll just never believe that.

For me, when your game is tight, you don't have to incentivize a woman to do what you want her to do.

It's one thing for a woman to say, "I'm going to go over his house and take his dick because I want his dick."

It's another thing for a woman to say, "I'm going to go over to his house and take his dick because there's $400 in it for me."

You and I have talked about Drake in another thread, he uses money to run his game, these lines in one of his new songs with Lil' Wayne really jumped out at me:

Quote:"I ain't tryna chance it,
I be with the bands like a nigga went to Jackson State or Grambling
Young Nick Cannon with the snare drum, dancin'
Watch the way I handle it, uh
Bring it to the bedroom, you know that shit is candle lit
She know I'm the man with it, uh
With the bands like I must've went to Clark, went to Hampton
I ain't playin' with it"

The guys who interpreted those lines over at Rap Genius got it wrong.

The story Drake is telling with those lines are of him in the strip club.

"I ain't tryna chance it" means he's not going to go spit at regular girls and see if they're down or not, if he does, he might not end up with what he wants. The bands are the money, he's in the strip club, dancing with it, he's going to find someone who's down, and her bring her to the bedroom, he doesn't have to chance it because he knows she has a price that he can meet. Plus he supposedly has a reputation for putting it down in the bedroom, so she's going to get paid to fuck, and she's going to enjoy it. Then he reminds you, he has the money, so he's not playin', when he steps into the club, he's for real about his, that is to say, he's ready to do business.

The strippers are different from the BP chicks in the sense that the BP chicks openly advertise that they suck and fuck for a price. Most strippers only suck and fuck for a price within the confines of the club -- they also will suck and fuck outside the club with a guy who has proven he'll spend money on her inside of the club but again that's private, not public advertisement. It's much easier for a famous guy to pull a stripper to come fuck at his crib because she'll feel safe with him, simply because she "knows" him. Also, his money is long, so it's likely she'll have a story to tell -- amongst her girls -- and some real dollars and trinkets to show for it -- a lot of these dudes give the girls some cash and have their driver take the girl to the mall to get one present, usually a pair of shoes, a hand bag, or a watch.

At this level, it's business, not game. Man has something he wants out of the transaction, his dollars guarantee he gets what he wants and how he wants it; the girl knows he's good for it, so she makes sure she comes up out of it because "a story to tell" doesn't do anything for her -- that's for lower-level jump-offs, not "dimes".

Post: #495

(03-03-2015 02:58 PM)Vronsky Wrote:  

Quote:[quote]You going off script with this.
This is against the Red Pill party line.

WIA

WIA, I read your response to Jariel and figured you were being sarcastic. I don't really consider myself as part of the manosphere and part ways with them on several points, not just this one. Frankly, I never needed the red pill as my family is red pill through and through. One of my uncles is constantly berated for marrying a woman with a child and my siblings and I were always lectured on the importance of marrying future spouses with stable family lives, i.e. not marrying fatherless men or women. I do expect a baseline level of attractiveness in a wife but other factors like her family, upbringing, values and yes, smarts and education, all factor in when considering marriage.

Men who forego everything for beauty deserve exactly what they get, and to me, it's still part of the mindset of placing pussy on a pedestal.

I agree with that and I am glad you clarified that. It's not easy or simple on where to make the cut offs on beauty and education, but a healthy balance is essential when it comes to picking a wife. You don't necessarily want a lawyer chick busting your balls, but you don't want to pick a high school dropout either. The quality of a wife's intelligence can make the difference between having a kid that is multilingual, is very literate, and knows Algebra before they reach the age of 7. Verses a kid in speech classes, barely able to do division problems, and cannot do write a book report.

That's not counting all the other intangibles having an intelligent wife can provide, such as helping you run a small business, not panicking in an emergency, deal with shitty teachers and schools, handle social functions on your behalf, and having strong maternal instincts that are not wasted on emotions. I could go on and on.

@Roosh

Quote:I think one of the reasons the behavior of women in this thread is seen as disturbing is due to their high beauty. We have equated beauty--perhaps falsely--with virtue, intelligence, purity, and goodness. Just recently in a thread where I asked guys to pick a beautiful dumb girl from an ugly smart girl, many guys commented that it's impossible for the beautiful girl to be dumb. A lot of us have been elevating our game to get with a beautiful girl, and so it turns out that our "end game" option is really no better than a street hooker who who has prostituted her body directly or indirectly (e.g. sleeping with a man to gain an opportunity).

The last remaining type of girl I've been pedestalizing, very beautiful girls, would jump at the chance to be a two bit trick if the price was right, just like girls underneath her beauty would. Every girl has the DNA within her that would allow her to be shat on depending on a certain price when the same can not be true for many men. That realization alone may be the most powerful we can have when understanding women.

All that said, I also still stand by my original assessment to Roosh's question he posed in that thread about the pretty woman vs the high IQ one. The pretty woman is not a 10. 8? Maybe. That is a good balance before strong diminishing returns kick in. I bet a 1000 dollars that high IQ bitch would embarrass you in front of your peers, your family, and your business partners, with her aloof and baffonish appearance. Again, her social intelligence is horrible, regardless of what her logic based IQ test score says. That pretty woman could get a pass for being ditzy whereas that fat one would earn everyone's scorn and contempt.

A "dumb" blonde is many ways alot easier to control than a smart and rebellious one. We interchange that whole women/children thing in the Manosphere often. In some ways a smart child can be hell on wheels and vis versa.

Lets cover motherhood. That pretty woman is far more likely to handle not only pregnancy better, but also being a mother. Fat girl would whine and complain. She might even flunk her diabetes tests while pregnant. What that means is that, your child inside her will be overweight unless they give them medicine to slow it down. She is more likely to have complications. She is more likely to NOT lose the weight after birth because her metabolism is already slower. Her thyroid damage and DNA damage passed down to your spawn. The X your kid gets will have damage just like the X/Y you pass would if you drank and smoked super hard everyday before conception. All those things affect the child.

Beautiful woman is be the opposite of all of those things. Also, her being a mother has less hurdles because she has less things to feel inadequate about. At least less reasons. Fat girl will take her weight and image out on you whenever she gets a chance. She could be playing a video game with you (because she is sooo fucking cool and smart) one minute and crying about her weight the next. How do I know? Been there, done that.

What would you think of your test if the fat girl has a very low EQ score and pretty girl has a high one?

There are alot of variables involved with this stuff and what ifs. There is a bit of analysis paralysis with trying to attribute beauty and intelligence with various levels of social deviancy. I think there is bit more nuance involved. Social upbringing has alot more bearing than physical features.

Just because various 9-10s are throwing their lives away like trash, does not make the dream of getting a a wife that pretty is. But like all things, anything involving women of that level, it just gets more complicated and tougher. Since they already have low numbers, it would seem like they are all whores, but we should know better than to casually deduce it to that.

Post: #496

Money isn't game, but it sure doesn't hurt having it.

P4P isn't game for me either.

Game would be having these girls pay their own airline ticket to fly to you, to get shitted on their chest, and wanting to be your LTR, as you send them packing.

Post: #497

(03-03-2015 04:44 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 03:57 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Using money only is still some kind of game. Game itself is your makeup of how you deal with and approach social matters concerning anything from women to corporate work environments. Even not using any game is still a kind of game.

I guess I just have a certain definition of what game means. If we start extending it to all of these different things, then game becomes whatever one wants it to be, which really leads to the conclusion that there is no such thing as game, and I just don't prescribe to that notion.

"Money only" is not game to me.

When you call up a chick on BP or get dances from a stripper at a club, you're not running game.

I'll just never believe that.

For me, when your game is tight, you don't have to incentivize a woman to do what you want her to do.

It's one thing for a woman to say, "I'm going to go over his house and take his dick because I want his dick."

It's another thing for a woman to say, "I'm going to go over to his house and take his dick because there's $400 in it for me."

You and I have talked about Drake in another thread, he uses money to run his game, these lines in one of his new songs with Lil' Wayne really jumped out at me:

Quote:"I ain't tryna chance it,
I be with the bands like a nigga went to Jackson State or Grambling
Young Nick Cannon with the snare drum, dancin'
Watch the way I handle it, uh
Bring it to the bedroom, you know that shit is candle lit
She know I'm the man with it, uh
With the bands like I must've went to Clark, went to Hampton
I ain't playin' with it"

The guys who interpreted those lines over at Rap Genius got it wrong.

The story Drake is telling with those lines are of him in the strip club.

"I ain't tryna chance it" means he's not going to go spit at regular girls and see if they're down or not, if he does, he might not end up with what he wants. The bands are the money, he's in the strip club, dancing with it, he's going to find someone who's down, and her bring her to the bedroom, he doesn't have to chance it because she knows he has a price that he can meet. Plus he supposedly has a reputation for putting it down in the bedroom, so she's going to get paid to fuck, and he she's going to enjoy it. Then he reminds you, he has the money, so he's not playin', when he steps into the club, he's for real about his, that is to say, he's ready to do business.

The strippers are different from the BP chicks in the sense that the BP chicks openly advertise that they suck and fuck for a price. Most strippers only suck and fuck for a price within the confines of the club -- they also will suck and fuck outside the club with a guy who's proven he'll spent money on her inside of the club but again that's private such, not public advertisement. It's much easier for a famous guy to pull a stripper to come fuck at his crib because she'll feel safe with him, simply because she "knows" him. Also, his money is long, so it's likely she'll have a story to tell -- amongst her girls -- and some real dollars and trinkets to show for it -- a lot of these dudes give the girls some cash and have their driver take the girl to the mall to get one present, usually a pair of shoes, a hand bag, or a watch.

At this level, it's business, not game. Man has something he wants out of the transaction, his dollars guarantee he gets what he wants how he wants it, girl knows he's good for it, so she makes sure she comes up out of it because "a story to tell" doesn't do anything for her -- that's for lower-level jump-offs, not "dimes".

Those are transactions. Not really much of a social interaction. However you could still make a decent devil's advocate argument for that even.

It's not good or ideal game to only use money to impress or get women. We all know that, but it is still some kind of game.

Post: #498

(03-03-2015 02:47 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 02:25 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  I don't know how to do that strikethrough thing.

But it should say Money Only.

Flying a chick and putting her up resources actual $$$ in addition to paying her.

Sam, you're on point.

There's nothing "alpha" about tricking off money.

That saying, "I ain't trickin' if you got it", no it's still trickin'.

And if the money isn't a part of the equation, the women will be absent as well.

Having a 7+ figure net worth is more alpha than 99% of people on this forum.

It is extremely easy to get laid with women compared to actually making that kind of money.

Post: #499

(03-03-2015 04:54 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Those are transactions. Not really much of a social interaction. However you could still make a decent devil's advocate argument for that even.

It's not good or ideal game to only use money to impress or get women. We all know that, but it is still some kind of game.

Ok, let's say, you and I go out to a club, and we see a chick we both like. You go up to her, and spit, and she tells you, "Thank you for the compliment of coming over, but I have a boyfriend." I go up to her later, and she says "Here's my number, after I drop my home girl off, we can link up."

We both ran game, and she was feeling me stronger for whatever reason(s).

Ok, it goes down like that.

But if we both can go up to her, and she says "We can kick it, my hourly rate is $500."

Well if you can pay, you can get her. If I can pay, I can get her. If that dude over in the corner who's been loitering around pussy all night can pay, he can get her too.

I don't see how that's game.

We can disagree on the definition, but you know we're still homies, that's all that matters.

Post: #500

(03-03-2015 04:02 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 07:02 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  All I want now is to surround myself with friends who are like me, and minimize the contact time with others.

This is simply the wisdom that comes with age and experience.

This is exactly where I am in my life, and a genius friend non-forum friend of mine is.

He's of the opinion that what he calls 'Mundanes', and what I think of as 'Blue Pill Thinkers', are not only toxic, damaging company - only interested in holding each other down and making each other lesser out of their own petty, bitter resentments that anyone else should dare posses what they deserve - but dangerous, due to their tendency to thoughtlessly-bend to the will of the mob.

He said, eventually, you limit your exposure to them.

My ex-girlfriend was always astounded by the talented, driven people I 'seemed to know', and asked me how I met them. All I could say was "Like attracts like: strive to be exceptional."

I'm very wary now of opening my life up to unknown people whose psychology I haven't been exposed to for longer periods of time, even if they aren't displaying the more obvious warning signs of toxicity: obesity, self-uglification, rainbow hair, indeterminate gender, sloppy presentation. In 98% of cases, the damage outweighs the benefits: let the unexceptional attract itself.

Yup, totally concur on this.

Theres two major issues here that have already been touched on but worth reiterating -

1 - Average people are like crabs in a barrel, if you associate with them long enough while simultaneously trying improve yourself significantly, they WILL pull you down. Even "good" people. It may not be direct shaming such as when a nerd starts lifting and people make fun of him, but often of the more subtle insidious type.

"Diets never work man."
"Stop with the studying and come shoot the shit with us man"
"Wow, you really are on a roll arent you?"
"Live a little"
"Seriously, I NEVER see you these days. Is <chasing your dreams> more important than your friends?"
"Your breakup has changed you"
"Who do you think you are, (insert powerful figure)?" *shit eating grin*


When one is willing to burn all distractions and say a big fuck you to the world in order to rise above the many obstacles of life to achieve what you want to, most people (even well meaning) will try and pull you down, whether their actions are fueled through conscious or subconscious motivations.

It is crucial to have a select set of friends who are not threatened by your behavior and actually encourage you to succeed.

Additionally,
"Behind every successful man is a successful woman" --- This is so true, although its meaning has been distorted in today's world with all the go grrl iterations and betas seeking strong solid women to be their emotional rocks.

Referencing Anonymous Bosch's observations in a couple of threads, most women learn to indulge in the throes of pure emotion, and are therefore prone to destruction so long as said behavior allows them to lose themselves.
Most women, even those in long term relationships or those who are genuinely in love with you, will give in to destructive behavior, and fuck you over. Rare indeed is the woman who can control herself enough to stick with you through thick and thin, regardless of your level of game, social status, talent, wealth or other personifications of power.

I was just browsing through the high status men with ugly wives thread, and ignoring the obvious gay men keeping up appearances and blue pillers, one of the reasons a lot of these men are with these women is probably because of this.

TV Show reference :- Donna is the perfect, albeit idealized version of this to the alpha of Harvey Specter in the series "Suits".

2- Like begets like, genius understands genius, talent recognizes other talent -- When you surround yourself with people who are passionate about life and their own goals, you will become a better man for it. Factor in one's tendency to largely behave in a manner congruent to how people around you perceive you (if people perceive you to be slimy, you WILL act slimier in their company, conversely, if people perceive you to be, say a very positive guy, you WILL be more resilient to negativity when in their company), and it is evident how important your company is to your mental/emotional well being as well as to success in the long term, whatever that means to you.


This has been stated repeatedly on the forum and outside, but your core set of relationships is crucial to your existence.
Have a lot of connections, but put your faith in few.