http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-polit...ng-of-avfm

Why did I read this?
Why did I peruse the comments?

WIA

(02-27-2015 04:44 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-polit...ng-of-avfm

Why did I read this?
Why did I peruse the comments?

WIA

Why?

Because it's a great honest read of how we can disagree but have a similar platform, that men respect each other and don't talk shit or simply namecall like feminists would - without logic (in the comments section).

Quote:The minute I figured out that my problem was not having a set of personal values strongly enough held that no woman could make me budge from them was the same minute I found a path to attract women, cull out the trash without drama or expense and to maintain a relationship with no pussy passes or princess bullshit. It is not that I never have to deal with that stuff from time to time, but I never, ever let it slide. My dick has not been the worse for it.

Basically being your own man, having a set of balls, and not putting up with shit will get you women too. He talks about inner game - he doesn't disagree with PUA views on women.

Quote:That is not to say that what people like Roosh have to say is not at all useful. I think a lot of the knowledge of the female psychology found in PUA circles is very sound. And I have heard a fair amount of talk about “Inner Game” which would be much more complimentary to what I am writing here. But that is hardly a visible entity in the PUA community so far. If Inner Game is actually a thing, some better efforts to market it would be helpful.

Inner game is self confidence isn't it ? Isn't about character building as well ?

These guys - I noticed what seem are MGTOW's and MRA's are open to Roosh's views and want him to have his own platform.

Just like this site has Manosphere MGTOW sections and Game sections.

(02-26-2015 08:52 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  Don't know how much the winter is a factor.

How many flowers bloom in winter? How many birds are chirping in the trees in January? How many animals can you think of that mate during the colder months?

I can't think of many!

Hell, bears hibernate in a den and ride out the winter in there.

Seasons are a HUGE part of the game - but I don't think we (as humans) know enough about our own mating tendencies, and we've built so many distractions that we're not in tune with nature like the rest of the animal kingdom.

We're all creatures of the earth, and we've all evolved to exist here. There is a natural rhythm to life, and that rhythm includes mating and reproduction.

All the iPhone apps and Starbucks lattes doesn't change the fact that we're all just wild animals in a big human jungle responding to the way nature programmed us.

How it affects the game remains a mystery, but I am not surprised to hear that different guys in different seasons and climates are having different results. To me it makes perfect sense.

Personally, I feel that spring is the best time for game. The snow is melting, the sun is shining later into the day, the grass is getting greener, the smell of flowers is in the air, the bees are buzzing, the birds are chirping, and the girls start coming out of the woodwork!

There is an energy in the air that can hardly be described, and maybe - just maybe - it's in our blood for men and women to start getting together again.

(02-24-2015 02:50 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  18-23yo is as good as it will ever get.

24-29 are usually just wasteful. Their insecurities and over-inflated value is disturbing.

Both of the following texts are from yesterday. Both are from girls I have banged.

Guess which one is from a 21 year old, and which is from a 27 year old:




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You should tell the first one she is the love of your life with a wink at the end and let her hamster spin till eternity

Just went on a "date" with a girl I used to bang last year.

I was double booked so I texted the other girl I got a flat out of town and couldn't make it ( she texted back 'oh sorry let's do something Sunday)

This girl on the date broke things off with me last year for an on off boyfriend she's known since she was 14.

Since she contacted me out of the blue this week and suggested drinks I figured I had a good chance for the bang.

Nope. She truly wanted to 'catch up' as friends. Fuck that!

She mentioned she's still with her boyfriend and their plans for the future a few times. I had to restrain myself from getting emotional/cold at this point. I just maintained a fun/don't give a shit frame. The vodka cocktail helped.

We did however, have a good time as this chica's got a good personality and we vibe good, touching each other, talking about old times and she admitted she enjoyed the sex we had. I make her laugh alot.

When I went to bounce her to my place she "passed" with the excuse she had to go jogging in the morning.

At her car, I told her 'you know how (...ergo sexual) I want to be with you. If you want that, then call me' .....ie, don't waste my time on this friend BS.

She got the message. I'm walking away and not looking back on this one. She knows what I expect if she's ever to text me out of the blue again.

Yesterday's double-booking was good as one of them flaked. Still got my bakcup.

I enjoy reading this thread before I go out on a date. Always gives me a tip, or a line, or way of doing something I had never thought of before.

Been on quite a roll lately and it certainly helps when you're one of the ten most eligible English speaking bachelors in the city I'm in. I'd argue I've already gone through the two most attractive Western girls in the city - a smoking little 22 year old Persian, and a 23 year old Latina from the US. Both very much not my type, aside from their considerable beauty, flowery and artsy but I adjusted my game so.

I've had an 18 and 19 year old in mini relationships too, but I've let them go because one was too clingy and the other was going off to Freshman year of university in the states.

Tonight I'll go out with a 27 year old Singaporean. Cute as hell(short hair!) and sounds fun from our conversations. She loves to surf and cook. I could get down with a girl who has those interests.

After enough time in the game, you develop this sixth sense about how a date will go before it even happens. I find myself very rarely wrong these days. I've got good vibes on tonight, let's hope I'm proven correct.

(02-28-2015 07:49 AM)MaleDefined Wrote:  Tonight I'll go out with a 27 year old Singaporean. Cute as hell(short hair!) and sounds fun from our conversations. She loves to surf and cook. I could get down with a girl who has those interests.

It's funny when I go out with girls who have interests I genuinely think are interesting, I almost always blow it. Like meeting a girl who has travelled the world, we share travel stories, and then somehow she's not really ever into me in the end.

Girls I have nothing in common with and don't think are interesting are almost always easier to bang. I tell them the same travel stories and they're super into me.

Anyone have these same kinds of issues?

(02-28-2015 01:25 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

(02-28-2015 07:49 AM)MaleDefined Wrote:  Tonight I'll go out with a 27 year old Singaporean. Cute as hell(short hair!) and sounds fun from our conversations. She loves to surf and cook. I could get down with a girl who has those interests.

It's funny when I go out with girls who have interests I genuinely think are interesting, I almost always blow it. Like meeting a girl who has travelled the world, we share travel stories, and then somehow she's not really ever into me in the end.

Girls I have nothing in common with and don't think are interesting are almost always easier to bang. I tell them the same travel stories and they're super into me.

Anyone have these same kinds of issues?

I have the same dilemma with chicks that share more in common and a similar advantage with gals that don't really clique with me.

It's easier to cut to the clever small talk & escalate with the second I feel.

Speaking of the travel girl type, I opened a girl at a patio bar several months back. We had a great conversation despite not having that much in common. Somehow, the word "traveling" came up so she veered me in the direction of her friend who I'd rate a half point less. It seemed like she was doing her friend the favor.

Anyways, I talk to travel girl & go on about the same destinations we've visited for 20-25 odd minutes & seemed to gel even better. End up exchanging numbers only for her to not respond to my texts Sad part was I digged her original friend more & probably could've gone further.

Semi-related note, I went the route of calling opposed to the historically flaky text messaging game as it paid off from a recent bar encounter (No voicemails though!)

(02-28-2015 02:58 PM)Brosemite Wrote:  

(02-28-2015 01:25 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

(02-28-2015 07:49 AM)MaleDefined Wrote:  Tonight I'll go out with a 27 year old Singaporean. Cute as hell(short hair!) and sounds fun from our conversations. She loves to surf and cook. I could get down with a girl who has those interests.

It's funny when I go out with girls who have interests I genuinely think are interesting, I almost always blow it. Like meeting a girl who has travelled the world, we share travel stories, and then somehow she's not really ever into me in the end.

Girls I have nothing in common with and don't think are interesting are almost always easier to bang. I tell them the same travel stories and they're super into me.

Anyone have these same kinds of issues?

I have the same dilemma with chicks that share more in common and a similar advantage with gals that don't really clique with me.

It's easier to cut to the clever small talk & escalate with the second I feel.

Speaking of the travel girl type, I opened a girl at a patio bar several months back. We had a great conversation despite not having that much in common. Somehow, the word "traveling" came up so she veered me in the direction of her friend who I'd rate a half point less. It seemed like she was doing her friend the favor.

Anyways, I talk to travel girl & go on about the same destinations we've visited for 20-25 odd minutes & seemed to gel even better. End up exchanging numbers only for her to not respond to my texts Sad part was I digged her original friend more & probably could've gone further.

Semi-related note, I went the route of calling opposed to the historically flaky text messaging game as it paid off from a recent bar encounter (No voicemails though!)

In my experience talking about traveling only works if you are much more well traveled than her. Anytime it turns out the girl has been around the world it is time to change the topic.

If a girl is well traveled then a guy being well traveled is typically table stakes for her. When you talk about how where you've been then all your doing is winning round 1. Then you need to go past that.

However if a girl has traveled a lot and she is attracted to you it usually an indicator that you can get a quick bang. She thinks she is a risk taker.

I got the

She just got out of a bad relationship and needed a good bang. Quite a screamer, and into some kinky stuff. I don't think she is even 5'. I think she'll be a repeat customer.

Recently started venturing into a new dance scene/style/culture because I kept seeing a plethora of 7's and 8's rolling in and out of a different joint where my normal venue is full of 4s-7s (with a strong median at 5).

Went in with full confidence honed over years of dancing: strong body language, dressing on point, talking up the leads and the follows. Got an 8 out on a date from the first night (but she threw up a lot of resistance and I wrote her off). Second night, I walk straight to a tall, thin, slavic looking woman (somewhere in the 7-8 range) and talk her up, hearing an accent (score). We talk it up, speak 3 different languages while my mind is trying to hold my dancing together in the confines of the new style. She's throwing me lots of IOIs, pressing her little titties on my arm more than once. She kept asking me to dance. After the 2nd song, I go for an attempt at digits, and she turns away, telling me reluctantly that she has a boyfriend. I don't worry about it, dance with her another song, and then she wants me to hang out and wait for her while she dances a different style (DJ threw a totally different song type that I'd never danced to before) with someone else.

I didn't stick around, grabbed the girl I had out on a date and just put some sexy moves in there. Ignored the slav for the rest of the night, bounced.

I'm strolling out today in my neighborhood, not anywhere close to that dance venue, sporting a $5 used jacket that I got almost 2 decades ago but still fits me damn good and some sharp kicks with jeans, just enjoying the sun. I'm in a great mood, and right in a pile of pedestrians standing about I pass what looked like a dressed down version of the slav heading the other direction. Not caring to act like a clown and jump out at her, I don't break stride and don't really bother, as she already turned me down anyway.

Guess what? She turned around and ran me down. I grabbed her running jacket and asked her "what's this? are you jogging?" and looked down at her multicolored yoga or jogging leggings, grinning a bit. I talked up an event I might go to tonight, and parted ways.

What do you guys think? Time sink or is she just waiting for a more determined move from my direction?

My word. I must live in a parallel universe. Coincidentally, she ended up right in front of me with another guy. I was loosely paying attention and a lesser form of the conversation I had with her took place, languages and all. I hope I didn't come across as eager as I just saw. I don't think I did, and I think I come across as more different than that, but that was strangely close.

This cannot be that uncommon. It must be annoying seeing the same situation play out over and over as a participant. I'm now wondering what makes my interactions with women different from other guys? What really distinguishes me?

Okay so I rawdogged and cummed inside of an English girl on Friday (Krauser you mad?)

Just fucked my crush! Feeling very good at the moment

Had no idea what to do on a legit date and I just winged it. Was so nervous as soon as I stood up when she arrived I felt the coolness of my shirt against my skin (I was that sweaty)

Grr.

I'm pretty sure I could have pulled tonight if I had been just a bit less aggressive.

I'm at the usual spot here in Kingston and I've managed to isolate this chick from her friends. We hit the dance floor, I get the kiss. We get drinks and go sit upstairs to chat/makeout. I can tell she's into me - biting my lip, clawing at the back of my neck - I haven't gotten laid for the better portion of the month so in my mind, I'm committed to her since she's a definite solid prospect.

This is where I think I fucked up.

We go back to the dancefloor and keep grinding up against each other and making out. I'm drunk and super-horny right now, and probably not really thinking all that well.

I decided to pull her off the dancefloor to a side alcove where you can make out in private - I was reading her as liking guys who were aggressive and dominant, so I pushed her kinda hard (I think) against the wall and we start making out for a bit.

Then she wants to go to the washroom. OK - I walk with her and wait there until she's finished. We go back and hit the dancefloor for a bit - until she wants to go find her friend (who, admittedly, she's with for her friend's birthday party or whatever.) She eventually says she feels guilty about leaving her friend and wants to go find her - and tells me I should go enjoy the rest of my night. I have her number by this point, so I have not much choice but to eject.

We crossed paths a couple times more before the night ended. First time she smiled and we chatted for a few seconds - second she either didn't notice me or didn't acknowledge me.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid and she really felt guilty about leaving her friend. I don't know. But I'd be kinda pissed if I fucked up and it ends up going nowhere - she was pretty cute and really into me, I know. I've had a few people say that I come off as overly aggressive with girls when I'm gaming them - and I can now kinda start to see their point. Or not, who knows.

All I can do now is just wait a day and text her Monday. Then we'll see.

HSLD

Damn HSLD, I'm not as qualified as some of the others here but..

Maybe you should have just follwed her into the washroom? it seems like that was your chance amidst all that chaos.

Just got home from a zero date bang. I had a really good time and she as well. Slept at hers. How do you guys play it when you want repeat business?

When we parted ways I went honest: "I had a good time with you *girl's name*."
"I had a good time as well!"
"Would you like to meet again?"
"Not impossible at all."

I do not have much experience of this yet, all my Tinder bangs have been ONS. But this girl was really cool and good in bed. Should I let her get in touch first?

Hsld,
I missed out last month on banging a 8 blonde who I met and took to a strip club. She had a bf she was getting married too but after a considerable out of Resistance in the club she accepted the makeout. After that she was down but like a championship idiot I went back in and made out a little too hard and a little TOO long, where she tried to pull away. I knew then and there it was over.

Point is sometimes we get caught up in the moment about being aggressive with chicks because we know they like it, but there a line between turning them on and pushing too far. Add alcohol and that is that. So when your girl went into the restroom she prob has too much time to think and that was it. Next time in such alcohol infused situations Id recommend being firm yet aggressive - like controlled so the girl can feel the intent but doesn't get scared.

Taking control also means self-control.

Darian - def not. in my experience until you havnt banged down at least 3 times it's not a sure thing. This is another og poster's idea but fire a 'fun' not needy slightly beta text saying that was a 'fun and adventurous time' lets do it again and schedule it.

I'm assuming you met this girl on tinder. If you wait another 50 dudes will have run up on her on tinder and you'll be a old memory.

I mean - what do you care who texts first - you already blasts he no money no time spent. Reaching out first helps decrease guilt for her cause u r just such a nice guy who had a good time with her.
GL

Well, this just happened.

The Threesome I Wasn't Proud Of

(03-01-2015 03:19 AM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  Grr.

I'm pretty sure I could have pulled tonight if I had been just a bit less aggressive.

I'm at the usual spot here in Kingston and I've managed to isolate this chick from her friends. We hit the dance floor, I get the kiss. We get drinks and go sit upstairs to chat/makeout. I can tell she's into me - biting my lip, clawing at the back of my neck - I haven't gotten laid for the better portion of the month so in my mind, I'm committed to her since she's a definite solid prospect.

This is where I think I fucked up.

We go back to the dancefloor and keep grinding up against each other and making out. I'm drunk and super-horny right now, and probably not really thinking all that well.

I decided to pull her off the dancefloor to a side alcove where you can make out in private - I was reading her as liking guys who were aggressive and dominant, so I pushed her kinda hard (I think) against the wall and we start making out for a bit.

Then she wants to go to the washroom. OK - I walk with her and wait there until she's finished. We go back and hit the dancefloor for a bit - until she wants to go find her friend (who, admittedly, she's with for her friend's birthday party or whatever.) She eventually says she feels guilty about leaving her friend and wants to go find her - and tells me I should go enjoy the rest of my night. I have her number by this point, so I have not much choice but to eject.

We crossed paths a couple times more before the night ended. First time she smiled and we chatted for a few seconds - second she either didn't notice me or didn't acknowledge me.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid and she really felt guilty about leaving her friend. I don't know. But I'd be kinda pissed if I fucked up and it ends up going nowhere - she was pretty cute and really into me, I know. I've had a few people say that I come off as overly aggressive with girls when I'm gaming them - and I can now kinda start to see their point. Or not, who knows.

All I can do now is just wait a day and text her Monday. Then we'll see.

HSLD

Escalating hard is most appropriate for situations where you can quickly capitalize.

Did the bar have those single serving private washrooms? When things heat up quickly and you feel she is receptive, tell her you have to go to the washroom and grab her hand and just go there. Tension between you is high and she will follow you, even if it might not necessarily lead to a bang.

If the situation is logistically difficult based on the bar, it's not a good idea to push so aggressively. You'll diffuse the tension if you can't make the most of it.

If it's near the end of the night however, you have the option of trying to pull her to her place or yours, since the night is almost over.

Or you can try a pull out of the bar when things get heavy. 'lets go' as you lead her out. Though of course she may or may not come with you, but that's fine.

If you're not able to isolate her in a sex location in the bar, or try to pull her during this moment, or it's not the end of the night, escalating hard will yield very low results.

You'll diffuse the tension and then after her brief high with you she will go back to hanging out with her friends, as she did here.

I've had this happen to me dozens, dozens of times.

It sounds like an easy situation to escalate to a bang, but it's actually quite tricky. You have to be opportunistic and several factors have play out just right. Sometimes things will even work too well when she will be the one to escalate on you when things get heavy, when she asks you if you want to leave.

True say. I have to figure out where exactly the line is (for kisses/makeouts) between creating and diffusing tension. That's one of the sticking points that I think is keeping me from moving from the beginner to a more advanced level of game skill.

It just seems like such a fine line - and even one that's constantly moving in relation to the girl you're with. Even one toe over the line in either direction and you're done - cause if you're not exactly perfect, you're either too aggressive and the tension's diffused, or you're not aggressive enough and you open the way to getting cockblocked (which unfortunately is at epidemic-levels here in Canada, in my experience.)

Does anyone have some good, tested rules on trigger-pulling that they're willing to share? Cause I could probably use a couple pointers.

HSLD

Practice obviously helps. Specific techniques can be hard to explain although some will have suggestions. I do think a lot of its subconscious though.. When you first start in the club you're always thinking about trying to make out with girls but after a while you don't even think about it, it just sort of happens almost automatically at times.

I hear you on the cockblocking. It blows. Especially when the girl really likes you and she blows you kisses as she's physically dragged away by her friends. Sometimes there's only so much you can do to prevent against it by presenting a good image to the friends who are always out for girls night. Sometimes they see the girl is having fun with you and you're a cool guy so they leave you to it.

The best is when the girls are out to cockblock hard and your girl tells them to piss off. It's infrequent but there are times where nothing will stop the girl from taking you home when she's down for you. Girl will go tell her friends she is leaving with you and they get pissed and try to nuke the situation and you watch like



And after she leaves her friends and leads you outside the club



To have this happen it will be a mix of you approaching the situation right, escalating properly, finding the girl who's down and into you. It takes practice and I also think with time you will develop a sense of which girls are more receptive to your type of game and vibe.

The old school diagnosis is that you spiked her sex drive/buying temperature way too high, there was a break in her "state".

The state break kicks in the Anti-slut-defense, and she has to leave before she does something she'll regret. Basically by being too aggressive, you knocked her out of the mood.

Alternative? Could be that you were too rough with her. She didn't like it, or it reminded her of something not great.

If you change your style from fast to slow, you're going to lose chicks who need "a man of action".

Keep in mind that she could have went to the bathroom to do a line of coke, or to check her phone - and saw that her husband sent her a sweet text, or her friend was wondering where she was.. Or she looked in the mirror and didn't like the chick she was becoming, about to hook up with some random dude.

There really are all sorts of things that can take a girl out of the picture, most of which you can't prepare for, or control when they happen.

WIA

(03-01-2015 03:19 AM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  Grr.

I'm pretty sure I could have pulled tonight if I had been just a bit less aggressive.

I'm at the usual spot here in Kingston and I've managed to isolate this chick from her friends. We hit the dance floor, I get the kiss. We get drinks and go sit upstairs to chat/makeout. I can tell she's into me - biting my lip, clawing at the back of my neck - I haven't gotten laid for the better portion of the month so in my mind, I'm committed to her since she's a definite solid prospect.

This is where I think I fucked up.

We go back to the dancefloor and keep grinding up against each other and making out. I'm drunk and super-horny right now, and probably not really thinking all that well.

I decided to pull her off the dancefloor to a side alcove where you can make out in private - I was reading her as liking guys who were aggressive and dominant, so I pushed her kinda hard (I think) against the wall and we start making out for a bit.

Then she wants to go to the washroom. OK - I walk with her and wait there until she's finished. We go back and hit the dancefloor for a bit - until she wants to go find her friend (who, admittedly, she's with for her friend's birthday party or whatever.) She eventually says she feels guilty about leaving her friend and wants to go find her - and tells me I should go enjoy the rest of my night. I have her number by this point, so I have not much choice but to eject.

We crossed paths a couple times more before the night ended. First time she smiled and we chatted for a few seconds - second she either didn't notice me or didn't acknowledge me.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid and she really felt guilty about leaving her friend. I don't know. But I'd be kinda pissed if I fucked up and it ends up going nowhere - she was pretty cute and really into me, I know. I've had a few people say that I come off as overly aggressive with girls when I'm gaming them - and I can now kinda start to see their point. Or not, who knows.

All I can do now is just wait a day and text her Monday. Then we'll see.

HSLD