Happened to me recently and I didn't optimize the situation, and this might well happen again soon:

Let's say by logistics I managed to get 3 cute girls out with me dancing. One girl is from social circle, the other 2 are her friends that I've talked to. They are all equally cute and ideally I would want to keep all the three doors open.

How would you go about gaming them? Especially target selection and distributing your attention. If you focus on one girl too much the others see it and you may burn your prospects. But if you split your attention you might end up having no time to engage any girl on any level.

I know Roosh said to just be explicit in gauging their interest then pick the most interested one. That works well in bar and cold approach, but wouldn't that burn bridges with the other ones, especially since we are all connected in a way?

(02-25-2015 03:25 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 10:40 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 04:57 PM)kaotic Wrote:  curious to know how you gents handle those 3 words.

Last time I handled that was almost five years ago. In bed, she said...it. I smiled and rubbed her hair for a bit and fell asleep. Apparently she cried all night and didn't sleep. Next morning was more of the same except with me trying to comfort a crying woman, and damn do I hate doing that. So, probably rule out that method.

Next time I have to deal with it, which hopefully won't be for a while yet (and provided she's not going stage 5 clinger after two weeks) I'm going with,"I care a lot about you too." Comforting without being beta. I think.

I said the same shit along the lines of that I care alot for her alot, she's here for a reason, not because I just "like" her.

I kept it ambiguous.

I should also note that she did get an abortion because of me.

She told me she was extremely thankful that I was there for her and supported her.

I mean yeah it was shitty that it happened BUT I did dig her so of course I'm not gonna be a fuck head and ruin a decent woman/human being.

She seems to of settled down as of tonight, I had to get my mind off of it, had an 8 flake, banged a new 6 (yeah I know).

I admire the timing of your post kaotic.

My girl has been badgering me over this.

My responses are:

*coy smile of acknowledgement*
"Me too"
"You too"
"I know"
"Tell me more"

or plain out:
*kiss*

Generally, anything with 'too' to reinforce that notion works.

There on, it becomes a 'litmus test' of your interest to them. Women have this uncanny ability to ignore positive behaviour, reinforcement and rewards and focus on negatives. They forget about any compliments when their radar doesn't pick up what it is looking for; like a metal detector on a beach of expectation.

I am preaching to the choir but I will give you an example.
e.g., texting last night, she was not gonna come over. Set up some hoops and would reward her with a dirty pic.
Punctuation preserved.
We have both told each other 'I love you'. I love a lot of people though, its fucking unconditional right?

22:36 her: of what (obvious), I still shock her with random pics and she is in public.
22:38 her: Are you in love with me or what?
22:48 her: Rude
22:49 her: Noticed you've steered clear of the love word these days
22:55 me: dont be silly
22:56 her: Just wondering
23:01 me: dont read into it (I love this line. She uses this when I 'take things seriously' so I hammer it into her whenever its suitable- 'don't read into it')
23:04 her: (Y) -segue into another topic-

and I tell her good night.

She wakes me up in the morning with a text.


There is no escaping it really, it just comes down to expectation management on your behalf. Some girls have a Disney-esque idea of 'I love you', others accept that I can love a lot of women, it is unconditional.

Nonetheless, they will shit test you left right and centre to gauge where you are at.

(02-25-2015 06:08 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Happened to me recently and I didn't optimize the situation, and this might well happen again soon:

Let's say by logistics I managed to get 3 cute girls out with me dancing. One girl is from social circle, the other 2 are her friends that I've talked to. They are all equally cute and ideally I would want to keep all the three doors open.

How would you go about gaming them? Especially target selection and distributing your attention. If you focus on one girl too much the others see it and you may burn your prospects. But if you split your attention you might end up having no time to engage any girl on any level.

I know Roosh said to just be explicit in gauging their interest then pick the most interested one. That works well in bar and cold approach, but wouldn't that burn bridges with the other ones, especially since we are all connected in a way?

Do they speak to each other? Will it come out?

Can you be on the down low?

- Emphasize that you don't kiss and tell. Not directly.

- Pick the most receptive one and bang her.

- Use bang for leverage in creating jealousy. If they speak, you can exploit this assuming you are good in bed.

Roosh knows what he is talking about.

Have faith in your ability for damage control. If these bitches are complex and care about that, then just pick the one you want and remain flirtatious with the rest; give it some time.

It is difficult and usually unwise to fuck a whole social circle immediately.

Double booked 2 girls for tomorrow, as I have the feeling that each one has 50% chance of flake.

Kaotic, can you remind me if your gf knows that you bang other chicks or how you are handling that?

(02-25-2015 01:57 PM)slubu Wrote:  Kaotic, can you remind me if your gf knows that you bang other chicks or how you are handling that?

She doesn't know I'm banging others. She doesn't need to know.

She knows girls do hit on me, she's witnessed it happen quite a few times when we're out and about. We don't like PDA so sometimes it looks like we aren't with each other.

She also knows I have a flirty personality and that "I know everyone everywhere"

She lives 45 minutes away, she always drives to me, she doesn't have much social media, she isn't friends with me on FB and that's the way I like it, she knows I won't add her.

I only see my main girl twice a week MAX (unless on a trip together).

I'll typically see a plate once a week or just have ONS's.

I also like "me" time and do shit on my own or with my boys.

When I'm with her I turn my phone on AIRPLANE mode, i also have no push notifications for dating apps, I never save any girls numbers. - this is the most important.

My room is pretty plain, not sign a girl visits there, condoms are hidden inside my rifle bag (which is near my bed).

It's definitely a man cave to show off hobbies, things I built, books I've read, etc.

I always do a "sweep" after I bang a girl. Throw all trash in the garbage bin.

I usually bring dates/bangs to a specific bar that I have on lockdown, it's a known secret that I have a "on and off gf" while "I'm still dating around".

How do they know you ask ? Because that's the story I tell them and gives me plausible deniability.

The bartenders keep their mouths shut, 2 of 3 are homegirls, 1 of the 2 girls is a best friends little brothers LTR, but she's cool about things.

I rarely bring my main in there, actually come to think of it we're regulars at another bar I go to.

Now some may think it's not possible for me to have strong feelings for my main and go out and fuck other girls heartlessly.

But let me tell you - I can enjoy having sex with a girl and have a good time, doesn't mean I have any feelings for them. It's just what it is - a good time. That's it, that's all.

While it might be beta to say my feelings for main are a lot different from the girls I bang, I stand fast and believe this is true.

You have to remember, my main wants this relationship alot more than I do, hence:
why she got upset earlier
why she drives to me constantly
why she listens to me
why she stays feminine
why she follows my lead
why she isn't picky
why she is submissive
why she always dresses nice and throws on lingerie or hot undies
why she gets jealous when other girls hit on me

It's all about projecting your SMV and maintaining your frame.

This should all be who you ARE, it should be INGRAINED in you. It shouldn't be some checklist you have to review constantly.


Some men won't see other girls when in an LTR, I respect that, that's cool.

I chose the opposite because in my mind, banging other girls:

Keeps my feelings in check.
Keeps me from pussy worship.
Keeps me busy.
Keeps my game on par.
Keeps me learning game.
Keeps my sex drive fired up and ready.

The list goes on, but like I've said before, it's not for the faint of heart.

I really stopped caring about converting girls on the ONS, seems like a waste of effort now. I've banged a shit ton of girls in college, have a steady right now who is out of the country, yet I really am not fiending for new pussy like usual.

Maybe it's this fucking winter.

(02-25-2015 03:48 PM)kaotic Wrote:  When I'm with her I turn my phone on AIRPLANE mode, i also have no push notifications for dating apps, I never save any girls numbers. - this is the most important.

And therein lies my answer. Can't tell you the number of times this has screwed me over.

<quote>I only see my main girl twice a week MAX (unless on a trip together).

I'll typically see a plate once a week or just have ONS's.

I also like "me" time and do shit on my own or with my boys.

When I'm with her I turn my phone on AIRPLANE mode, i also have no push notifications for dating apps, I never save any girls numbers. - this is the most important.</quote>

COSIGN this strategy nice one kaotic

exes and former interest coming out of woodwork in last two days.

I did no contact on lawyer chick I used to bang. She contacted me last month saying there was 'trouble in paradise' with her boyfriend and she'd be thinking about me. I invited her over that night and she declined with a 'raincheck'

Fast forward after one month of radio silence on my part. She texts me last night. We banter. I tell her it'd be great to catch up and see her. She says she wants to do drinks as she's in town this weekend ( her bf lives in her hometown) I set a definite date for drinks only. We'll see if it happens....

Another 27 y/o financial advisor 6 who gave me regular BJs but wouldn't let me bang. I radio silence her. This morning at 7.30 she texts me "I just had the craziest dream about you" I'll text back later today .....probably for meetup.

Sometimes this no contact stuff is so predictable. You just lay off and within a month or so they throw out an attention getting text. Then, it's up to you to decisively move forward for the meetup. My thing is, if they decline the meetup...just say 'great to hear from you, let me know if you want to get together' and just walk away.

Then, after more no contact when their hamster finally understands you're not going to chase them like all the other guys....they may get back to you. If they do....rise and repeat the same above steps.

This seems to work well with girls you've banged or even ones you knew had a high level of interest in you.

Girls and people in general see the past through rose colored glasses.

(02-25-2015 03:48 PM)kaotic Wrote:  She doesn't know I'm banging others. She doesn't need to know.

Same here

(02-25-2015 03:48 PM)kaotic Wrote:  When I'm with her I turn my phone on AIRPLANE mode, i also have no push notifications for dating apps, I never save any girls numbers. - this is the most important.

I delete dating apps (tinder/okc) when she's over, have my browser on private mode on default on PC, and don't let my iphone preview whatsapp/sms messages. Never put it on airplane mode though - I like to be reachable.

(02-25-2015 03:48 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I always do a "sweep" after I bang a girl. Throw all trash in the garbage bin.

This is the hardest, especially with stupid things like HAIR (sometimes hairs show up weeks later - recently I try to bang in the living room instead of the bedroom because of this), hairpins, earrings, etc... Girls leave behind their most futile shit.

(02-25-2015 03:48 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Now some may think it's not possible for me to have strong feelings for my main and go out and fuck other girls heartlessly.

But let me tell you - I can enjoy having sex with a girl and have a good time, doesn't mean I have any feelings for them. It's just what it is - a good time. That's it, that's all.

While it might be beta to say my feelings for main are a lot different from the girls I bang, I stand fast and believe this is true.

And same.. I do think most men on this board understand this though. The outside world, not so much.

fuck it, I'm just going to go in raw and then update later.

(02-26-2015 11:11 AM)L M McCoy Wrote:  Girl I barely know wants me to go in raw and cum in her (srs).she told me she has some family gene where she cannot get pregnant



Do you guys think she's clean?

I've known this girl for like 3 days lol

got pics on the 2nd day

lol, I'm sure you're not the first person she's said that to

Fake name and number if you do blast inside her.

(02-26-2015 09:13 AM)robreke Wrote:  exes and former interest coming out of woodwork in last two days.

I did no contact on lawyer chick I used to bang. She contacted me last month saying there was 'trouble in paradise' with her boyfriend and she'd be thinking about me. I invited her over that night and she declined with a 'raincheck'

Fast forward after one month of radio silence on my part. She texts me last night. We banter. I tell her it'd be great to catch up and see her. She says she wants to do drinks as she's in town this weekend ( her bf lives in her hometown) I set a definite date for drinks only. We'll see if it happens....

Another 27 y/o financial advisor 6 who gave me regular BJs but wouldn't let me bang. I radio silence her. This morning at 7.30 she texts me "I just had the craziest dream about you" I'll text back later today .....probably for meetup.

Sometimes this no contact stuff is so predictable. You just lay off and within a month or so they throw out an attention getting text. Then, it's up to you to decisively move forward for the meetup. My thing is, if they decline the meetup...just say 'great to hear from you, let me know if you want to get together' and just walk away.

Then, after more no contact when their hamster finally understands you're not going to chase them like all the other guys....they may get back to you. If they do....rise and repeat the same above steps.

This seems to work well with girls you've banged or even ones you knew had a high level of interest in you.

Girls and people in general see the past through rose colored glasses.

This is a page straight out of the playbook of dating coach Corey Wayne. He teaches the mindset of getting women to chase us and not being needy. I discovered his work about 6 months ago and it's made a big impact on my game. He has a youtube channel with hundreds of free videos where he answers email questions. Really good stuff and well worth checking out!

I posted a couple weeks ago about a molluscum outbreak. Only a couple days after that post, ROK twitter posted an old article about treating genital warts with ACV. I did as they recommended and after my dick looking like a war zone for a about a week, everything is gone. Cheers RVF and ROK.

On the other hand, one of my plates is fucking crazy.

Back during winter break when we started, she told me she was a virgin and that I was "not a game changer". Fast forward a week or so and yeah... you know the spiel- "actions over words". I thought that was amusing.

She also once cried and claimed a football player from my university raped her. A week later she retracted this statement.

I never text her back as I'm trying to let her down gently. I thought it was over then one time she shows up and bought me a bunch of records. How can I be mean/drop a girl thats buying me shit? This is almost female beta behavior; spoiling me and buying me shit just pushes me further away, but I can't drop her because I feel bad.

Then at the bar last Thursday, at around 2 am as the place is about to close down, I find myself in a bit of a predicament - I was working on a new girl all night who I was about to bring home, then the crazy plate finds me (after I had successfully avoided her) and claims that I'm bringing her home. So, the two girls literally had a confrontation right in front of me. Plate goes "who the fuck are you?" and the other girl just looked appalled. I took the new girl home.

The crazy girl called me 5 times and texted me this big paragraph saying I made a mistake. I never responded. I figured this was it, and she'd finally move on. She texted me again Monday. I didn't respond. Then, like clockwork, as she has every Wednesday night for the past month, her and her friends show up to my bar to drink while I serve them. As if nothing had happened. I don't know what to do here.

(02-25-2015 10:53 PM)slubu Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 03:48 PM)kaotic Wrote:  When I'm with her I turn my phone on AIRPLANE mode, i also have no push notifications for dating apps, I never save any girls numbers. - this is the most important.

And therein lies my answer. Can't tell you the number of times this has screwed me over.

Yeah Airplane mode saves lives, not getting any pop notifications works wonders as well.

(02-26-2015 10:23 AM)casio Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 03:48 PM)kaotic Wrote:  She doesn't know I'm banging others. She doesn't need to know.

Same here

(02-25-2015 03:48 PM)kaotic Wrote:  When I'm with her I turn my phone on AIRPLANE mode, i also have no push notifications for dating apps, I never save any girls numbers. - this is the most important.

I delete dating apps (tinder/okc) when she's over, have my browser on private mode on default on PC, and don't let my iphone preview whatsapp/sms messages. Never put it on airplane mode though - I like to be reachable.

I just put those apps in a folder within a folder on my phone. Ive never logged into a PC with dating apps. Only thing I use my PC for is streaming movies to my TV.

Yeah you don't have to put it on airplane mode, but, disabling push notifications help.

(02-25-2015 03:48 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I always do a "sweep" after I bang a girl. Throw all trash in the garbage bin.

This is the hardest, especially with stupid things like HAIR (sometimes hairs show up weeks later - recently I try to bang in the living room instead of the bedroom because of this), hairpins, earrings, etc... Girls leave behind their most futile shit.

All my logistical stuff is in my room so I have to bang there. It's not that hard to do a sweep.

If it's not the girls hair I'll laugh and say it my other girlfriends hair, she'll playfully punch me and we move on.

(02-25-2015 03:48 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Now some may think it's not possible for me to have strong feelings for my main and go out and fuck other girls heartlessly.

But let me tell you - I can enjoy having sex with a girl and have a good time, doesn't mean I have any feelings for them. It's just what it is - a good time. That's it, that's all.

While it might be beta to say my feelings for main are a lot different from the girls I bang, I stand fast and believe this is true.

And same.. I do think most men on this board understand this though. The outside world, not so much.

Well surprisingly I've seen a guys on here who do monogamous relationships.

Don't know how much the winter is a factor. Could be just coincidence. Luck temporarily not swinging my way. I know it will eventually end, but damn.

What do you guys do when you consistently keep encountering shortcomings?

If you guys only knew how many close calls I've had the past few months. How many receptive girls going MIA. How many positive interactions leading to numbers without responses. I want to keep this short, but much much more..

I haven't encountered such low yields since I first started over 2 years ago. And back then it was a grind..

I'm aware of ups and downs. They come and go. Last year I had some of my greatest highs ever. In contrast, these are my lowest lows now.

The bad cannot happen without the good, right? What have you guys learned about the lows?

I know it's about pushing on. I'm just pouring some words out here, these are tough times.

Things will get better, and that time cannot come soon enough..

Nas - hang in there buddy. I'm getting a bit of the same feeling. Earlier this month I was doing well and in the past 2 weeks it's been as you describe. I haven't been able to approach, work has been stressful and seems like girls are being super bitchy.

During the low times focus on
- body - stick with the physical plan on keeping the best version of you ready
- technique - stay active on the forum - it keeps me in the right minds pace
- mind - I try and envision how my interactions would go when they happen - almost like mental approaching
Besides that all you can do is make sure logistics are tight and if fellow RP homies are around go out with some of them

I hate falling back on old plates during this time. Have to stay motivated

(02-26-2015 09:23 PM)LAX Wrote:  I hate falling back on old plates during this time. Have to stay motivated

This is a big key to improvement.

If you want higher quality should just your old plates to force you to get out there and improve.

If your old plates are always really hot then you pretty much the Game.

Regarding holding onto plates.. I couldn't help myself. I've cut my ties to recent girls that were merely decent to me. You know the type, you enjoy her around for a few bangs. Good to have as an option while you seek the higher quality girls.

One girl was just a one time thing, the other apparently had a bf that was entirely unknown to me, and he started texting me with tons of questions so I just dropped the whole thing.

Other plates never materialized or I overtly dropped them because I got bored. In that case it's because either the girl wasn't too interesting or not cute enough to give me enough incentive to pursue.

Sometimes I run into self-inflicted catch 22's. I start a conversation with a girl nearby, slightly hesitant. She's cute, but ehh. Why not, so I open my mouth and start talking.

It turns out she's really into me. Making it clear, but she has this weird mannearism in her speech. And she's not as bubbly as I hoped. Bangable girl but no motivation to follow things through.

Maybe it's because over the past few months I've been hard on myself for quality. I'm looking to reach higher. 6's just don't do it for me anymore, at least from meeting during the day. Though night ONS would be a different story. But I haven't been out much with the latest -30 weather.

I'll never complain about 7's, I love these girls. Most of my day approaches are with these. Some are 8's, every so often a 9.

Maybe my current struggles are because I'm almost exclusively focusing on the higher quality girls. And without a doubt success comes by more in spurts.

And the numbers game. If I was meeting 20 girls a week (day) I probably wouldn't be writing this post since i'd be succeeding. Right now it's around 3-5 a week average past few months. I don't want to use winter as an excuse, but it is a factor it seems.

Positive is that as negative as this post sounds, I'm actually not that down at all. I'm in a good mood most of the time really. Staying active and in between exercise goals.

Cheers for the feedback. This has been a small rant but I like to spice up the vibe besides just being good all the time. I'm a bit bad as well

(02-26-2015 08:52 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  Don't know how much the winter is a factor. Could be just coincidence. Luck temporarily not swinging my way. I know it will eventually end, but damn.

What do you guys do when you consistently keep encountering shortcomings?

If you guys only knew how many close calls I've had the past few months. How many receptive girls going MIA. How many positive interactions leading to numbers without responses. I want to keep this short, but much much more..

I haven't encountered such low yields since I first started over 2 years ago. And back then it was a grind..

I'm aware of ups and downs. They come and go. Last year I had some of my greatest highs ever. In contrast, these are my lowest lows now.

The bad cannot happen without the good, right? What have you guys learned about the lows?

I know it's about pushing on. I'm just pouring some words out here, these are tough times.

Things will get better, and that time cannot come soon enough..

I know the feeling mate. I went through a period last month where for 3 weeks in a row I had dates lined up 5 nights a week and they all flaked on me. I've never seen anything like it, they fell like domino's.
It really shook me but also made me more resilient.

If anyone wants to get a North Korean flag without going there is a way. In Bur Dubai there is a Holiday Inn that has a North Korean restaurant. Food is actually great and you will feel like you're in North Korea. It has that weird vibe.

It is staffed entirely by NK girls in the 6-7 range. The greeting girls in front of the restaurant are 8's. Not sure what the proper approach is, but they are there for taking for the skilled and enterprising player.

(02-26-2015 10:13 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  Regarding holding onto plates.. I couldn't help myself. I've cut my ties to recent girls that were merely decent to me. You know the type, you enjoy her around for a few bangs. Good to have as an option while you seek the higher quality girls.

One girl was just a one time thing, the other apparently had a bf that was entirely unknown to me, and he started texting me with tons of questions so I just dropped the whole thing.

Other plates never materialized or I overtly dropped them because I got bored. In that case it's because either the girl wasn't too interesting or not cute enough to give me enough incentive to pursue.

Sometimes I run into self-inflicted catch 22's. I start a conversation with a girl nearby, slightly hesitant. She's cute, but ehh. Why not, so I open my mouth and start talking.

It turns out she's really into me. Making it clear, but she has this weird mannearism in her speech. And she's not as bubbly as I hoped. Bangable girl but no motivation to follow things through.

Maybe it's because over the past few months I've been hard on myself for quality. I'm looking to reach higher. 6's just don't do it for me anymore, at least from meeting during the day. Though night ONS would be a different story. But I haven't been out much with the latest -30 weather.

I'll never complain about 7's, I love these girls. Most of my day approaches are with these. Some are 8's, every so often a 9.

Maybe my current struggles are because I'm almost exclusively focusing on the higher quality girls. And without a doubt success comes by more in spurts.

And the numbers game. If I was meeting 20 girls a week (day) I probably wouldn't be writing this post since i'd be succeeding. Right now it's around 3-5 a week average past few months. I don't want to use winter as an excuse, but it is a factor it seems.

Positive is that as negative as this post sounds, I'm actually not that down at all. I'm in a good mood most of the time really. Staying active and in between exercise goals.

Cheers for the feedback. This has been a small rant but I like to spice up the vibe besides just being good all the time. I'm a bit bad as well

Sometimes burning the bridges and having to move forward is the only way for self improvement. I've done it a few times with plates. (I don't hurt or burn them, I just go radio silent)

I've taken 2 steps forward and 1 step back, meaning I got weak and banged old plates.

Winter IS a factor, then again here in Southern California we don't have a winter, I'm excited for Music Festival season, so many girls.

I'm sure many can agree that focusing on only super hot girls will bring about frustration, dry spells, and some weakness. Reason being less supply, more demand. Where lower quality girls are in high supply.

I'm focusing on younger and hotter girls. I've gotten decent results but I've stepped on a few land mines as well.

Live and learn.

(02-27-2015 12:31 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Winter IS a factor, then again here in Southern California we don't have a winter, I'm excited for Music Festival season, so many girls.

Live and learn.

Kaotic what part of SoCal are you in?