Guys, I've got a situation and I'm not sure what to make of it, or what to do next.

Here's the scoop:

Connected with this super cute 20 year old college girl on tinder. Just ran my standard game and got her number. We texted for a bit and I went for the meetup 2 days later.

The day of our date, she starts getting flakey and I can tell everything is on the line. It took some heroics and drawing on previous experience to get her to come over and drink with me. She was super nervous about it, and never actually agreed to come over. I eventually said that I was going to come pick her up at 7, and she said "ok" and sent her address. I'm positive that had I played the day-of texting slightly differently, I never would have even met her.

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Anyway, she comes over Monday night and is playful, happy, drinking away the night with me, playing music, and we're having a good time. I got for the kiss after about 2 hours, and she turns her head away and says "nu uh, I'm shy." This has never happened to me when a girl was in my place, so I back off, but keep the party going. She is a little bit flirty - at one point she's picking music on the ipad, and I walk up behind her and kiss her neck, and she pulls me a little closer for a second before pushing me away again.

Eventually, after 3 attempts, I am able to kiss her, but only for a quick 5 second make out before she pushes me off again.

I tell her to spend the night since we've both been drinking, and she jumps in my bed and goes under the covers. She won't kiss me again, but we're spooing in bed. She keeps batting my hands away when I try to make a move, and eventually I just get tired and fall asleep.

Around 4 am I wake up and just get on top of her and start making out with her. She is kissing me back, but I can tell she's nervous about the whole thing. I tell her to get on top of me, and she does and starts grinding on me, before suddenly stopping herself and saying "this is too much."

We kiss the next morning, and I drive her home.

I thought "ok, she's young, maybe she just didn't want to go all the way on the first meet up."

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Invite her over Saturday for movie night, and she is super excited about it. We start making out on the couch, and again, she kind of pulls back and goes back to the movie. I grab her hand and put it down my pants, which she was into, and I start rubbing her pussy through her jeans. I can feel her jeans getting wet, and I tell her to take off her top jeans button, which she does. I finger her for about 3 minutes - she is moaning; truly, deeply moaning in pleasure - and then like clockwork, she suddenly stops me and says "this is too far" and pulls my hand out.

We make out a few more times that night, and she stays over again, but we didn't go further than that.

SO, RVFers, I'm wondering what the move is here.

She is barely 20 and I am almost 30, and I am viscerally attracted to her. Her youth is intoxicating, and she has the face of an 18 year old. She's tiny and probably weighs 90 pounds soaking wet. I'm also attracted to her character and personality. She is a chill girl, good sense of humor, pleasant to be around, and she told me her life mission is to be kind to all people she encounters. She is also into science and thinks I am the most interesting person in the world. Before our movie night started, we looked through all of my science and nature books for a couple hours, and talked about the meaning of life and shit like that. I've maybe only done this once or twice before with girl and I thought it was cool she was into it.

She's a bit of a flower child, and I originally thought she was a huge slut. She's got that look in her eye, but doesn't have any of the other slut tells. No tattoos, has good family upbringing, has long hair, doesn't talk about other men, doesn't talk about sex, etc.

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What do I make of this situation?

Obviously, she likes me, and she told me as such. She's attracted to me, too, but I'm wondering what is up here. I've never been with a girl that thought getting fingered was "too much" for a second date. Well, not since I was in high school. It's not a lack of my sexuality - I've banged 5 different girls in the last 9 days, so I've got that side of things dialed and I have no misconceptions about female sexuality and desire.

But I don't know. What do you guys think? Is she just a rare find that is young and sexy but has next to zero sexual experience, and is therefore timid about moving too quickly? Or is something else up here? I know I could just ask her straight up, but that kind of kills the whole vibe.

I'm happy to take things slow with her because I like her, and to be honest I kind of like the chase - most girls fuck so quickly these days that I lose interest almost immeditately, so having to do an old fashioned chase is refreshing and fun. I've got no lack of other girls to bang, but I want to make sure I'm not missing something here. Like, am I blinding myself with the chase and with her youth? I also worry that if it takes me 10 dates to bang this girl, then she is going to be extremely attached to me at that point, and I don't want to fuck with her head. If she really is one of the good ones, I don't want her getting caught up with my player shit.

Thoughts? Feedback? Have I gone totally crazy?

Thanks guys.

^ I think you are very warped into Tinder and text fast hook ups on this streak right now so if anything different comes up it isn't normal to you. Imagine the average guy with no game that hasn't had a solid date in over 6 months? In his mind you are putting rocket fuel onto the fire.

Remember many many couples hang out through a social circle many times before they make moves on each other. She can't even go to bars yet lol.

Just keep truckin' until date 5.

I personally even in my less game days never went past that to get laid but 5 dates did happen with one chick.

If no sex by end of date 5 re-evaluate.

Sounds like you like this chick and she stands out. Try not worry about when how you will get laid. You are experienced enough that will take care of itself, just enjoy the ride because it is different.

There is a good chance she may like you and is holding out longer not trying to be in your first night girl stack. Moral decision whether to drop her before sex if you know that.

Are you saying there is no chance you'd want to entertain the idea of making this chick your main?

I unmatched the ones off tinder and ignored the texts from the ones that have my number. They get the hint pretty quick. Message or two with no response then nothing.

(02-22-2015 03:13 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  ^ I think you are very warped into Tinder and text fast hook ups on this streak right now so if anything different comes up it isn't normal to you. Imagine the average guy with no game that hasn't had a solid date in over 6 months? In his mind you are putting rocket fuel onto the fire.

Remember many many couples hang out through a social circle many times before they make moves on each other. She can't even go to bars yet lol.

Just keep truckin' until date 5.

I personally even in my less game days never went past that to get laid but 5 dates did happen with one chick.

If no sex by end of date 5 re-evaluate.

Sounds like you like this chick and she stands out. Try not worry about when how you will get laid. You are experienced enough that will take care of itself, just enjoy the ride because it is different.

There is a good chance she may like you and is holding out longer not trying to be in your first night girl stack. Moral decision whether to drop her before sex if you know that.

Are you saying there is no chance you'd want to entertain the idea of making this chick your main?

I was hoping you'd chime in - you've always got great perspective. Respect.

I think you are right that my mind is warped right now. I've got no current bearing on what is average or how normal people get laid. I've been firing on all cylinders lately and it has definitely changed how I process social interactions, for better or for worse.

Anyway, I would absolutely 100% entertain the idea of making her my main girl. I like her and I feel good around her. But what makes me nervous is that I haven't slept with her, and I'm already catching feelings. I haven't caught feelings for a girl in a long time. That realization caused a couple alarm bells to go off in my head, which is why I put all this out there for feedback.

I think you're right though - I'll just let things play out naturally, and then reevaluate after date 5.

^ If you've been tearing through this much ass, and this girl is making you stop and think a bit I think it's worth exploring.

She obviously likes the game you're spitting. Just enjoy the ride.

In my experience with women if a girl is going to move to that next level, then I don't think it has much to do with your active game at that point (for quick lays with other chicks, sure). I think it has to do with your previously built game by the time you got to that point and she is just really into you or isn't.

As for already liking her without sex that can be a great thing. With your experience I wouldn't worry, I'd just be happy. It feels great to enjoy a woman that much. If we all found chicks like that this board probably would be pretty empty. If you both click it can be a great thing because that is especially rare for a player to encounter. Especially someone that goes through as many chicks as you.

If she keeps letting you get further physically each date it means she likes you and wants to keep you around in my opinion.

If the physical escalation gets down-shifted on the next date or two you may have a problem.

Either way my $ would be on that you are going to enjoy the next date or two and get the bang.

(02-22-2015 02:49 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  Guys, I've got a situation and I'm not sure what to make of it, or what to do next.

This girl sounds like she may be a quality girl and is into you and doesn't want to give it up to easy.

As the poster above said. Sit back and enjoy the ride if you enjoy spending time with her

She acts like a young virgin, but she is not. I think she's a bit full of herself.

Anyway that alone isn't sufficient to next a girl, so I'd say, try 2 or 3 more dates and after that, if you still get a "it's too far", reconsider that option.

Also have you tried fighting LMR, or you just listened to her?

I got a notch when I totally did not expect any such thing to happen. I was in the dorm of a budget hostel. A girl opens me. Asks to sit in there and talk. then keeps sayin she needs to sleep. then appears to try to get me to let her lay down with me. Minutes later she got me to find condoms and we are already fucking. She later asks for money. In a playful tone, I deny it to her saying she showed she wanted to enjoy herself so no money. She kept trying to get me to do her again. I wanted to stop. She gave me a surprise notch number 12 bringing my total lifetime number to that. Soooo .... banging in a dorm AND a man walking in on us. Been there done that now

Welp I banged black cokehead again with no effort. She sure has a wet as fuck pussy.

Thankfully she wasn't annoying this time. She wanted round 2 but I wasn't having it, I'll let her text me if she wants.

Also banged the 18 year old plate whose a bit thick. She's never given a guy road head so I obliged her, she hasn't really worn much lingerie, so I told her to get into my car wearing it also.

She showed me a snapchat of her hot as fuck friend topless grabbing her titties.

Also ripped her thong off, she definitely enjoyed that. We finished banging, told me I was her best fuck ever.

She even texted her hot friend that, this girl also wants to have a threesome with me, so I told her to vet her hot friend or any cute girl of her choosing and I'll make it happen for them. She's absolutely interested in it.

She told me her hot friend sleeps with a guy literally every night of the week and "my friend said if she got pregnant she wouldn't know who the father is" I mean jesus christ this saddens me.

Took forever to find Plan B, literally took an hour to find a 24 hour pharmacy.

My weekend was rather bland, Sunday was a good friends birthday....literally a married/couples party with a shit load of newborns and kids, I wanted to leave so bad but I'm loyal to my boy.

This one drunk fatty got all drama filled with her man, who didn't do shit, she spilled everywhere and was stumbling, yet he didn't grab her and take her home, embarrassing.

Also I'm pretty irritated from waking up early, trying to avoid a shitty freeway to get dead stopped on another, then wait forever to drop a duece at the gym.

Only to realize I might have tendonitis in my shoulder, it SUCKS to lift at a certain angle. Just when I'm realizing my potential at the gym, I have to take a step back.

EDIT:

Also went on a date with this semi cute girl she drove over 45 minutes to see, was very skittish and seemed a bit paranoid. I finally got it out of her that she had a bad experience, but enjoyed being around me.

She's part of a sorority, called her on being super innocent and possible virgin (the signs were there) but she claims to have wild times ever so often.

Used standard "i can read you really well" interjected with good stories, the regular "guys are acting like girls, girls are acting like guys" talk to which she completely agreed.

I eject her since I had the DTF girl waiting for me.

The girl barely gave me a hug let alone a kiss, which she barely responded to.

Got the "I had a great night " text, only to call her out on her shyness and kissing the next day.

She'll be having to come to me if she wants to get any response or dates.

Did 1hour cardio + exercises, ate well, meditation, wrote my interview to repeat it, studied the company for the new corporate job, trained my voice, red. self-discipline. But didn't approach the one little girl I saw at night, there was almost none but, there was no excuses. on the day during the run, I said "hi" to 2 girls at the stadium today asked me how I was back, they seemed interested but I just played it safe.

I would guess the ~20 year old is very nervous. 2 dates is nothing. I agree with the advice given above. Just try to keep progressing thru date 5.

Asked a cute chick I met in salsa to hang out for the 2nd time (the first time she refused but said "another time" I played it cool and let a week pass) She waited just before the date to say she cant, but giving me a long ass text:

Sorry I just got your text, was busy the whole day. I cant tonight cuz tomorrow i have to get up early. But its not be cause i dont want to go. Im reasonable this time but I ll try to come to (a venue where i met her) or other place if you keep me posted

And sorry for telling you so late...

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Is this a polite rejection or is she being honest? Should I radio silence or play it cool?

(02-22-2015 02:49 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  Thoughts? Feedback? Have I gone totally crazy?

Thanks guys.

I think you're playing it right. I have the same questions someone else asked, have you tried to get past the LMR?

Since she's so enthralled with you, you pushed her right past bang territory and into fall in love territory. You're the most interesting man in the world to her. Once you bang her, you will have her like putty in your hands. Be careful what you do with her.

(02-23-2015 08:58 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Is this a polite rejection or is she being honest? Should I radio silence or play it cool?

She's trying to be polite and pretending to not reject you, but she's rejecting you. She texts you last minute that she has to get up early and then her offer to see you is that she'll "try" to come to a salsa venue if you "keep her posted?"

NEXT!

NOTE: You can play it cool, but I don't think it's going to get you anywhere, I would just radio silence, but if you must you can say, "I appreciate you being polite and offering to reschedule, but I don't have time to waste on maybes. Take care"

Kind of a mindfuck because you're rejecting her and maintaining frame.

Met an 8 dancing. She seemed really into me. Turns out she is in her late 20s [she looked fresh out of college), did a ton of traveling, etc. (found this out on a date). Had a really chill, cool, and adventurous date with her ending up back at my place. Told me "I like to take it slow" when I went for the makeout (she kissed back, but immediately pushed away).



I then remembered all the stories she was just telling me about getting drunk and running around naked on various overseas trips.



It turned me off. Plan is complete radio silence and only respond if she comes to me, likely hit on girls in front of her (if she's around, who knows/cares).

Thoughts? Do you even bother any kind of pursuit in this situation? I'm tempted to just go for girls who are clearly still in college and not bother with the late 20s girls at all, but slumps happen. Not that I'm normally getting 8s, but a much younger 6 usually triggers way more than the older 8s.

^^ to the guys commenting about my 20-year old gal situation.

Yes, I have tried plowing through LMR. I'm a master at that shit at this point. But in this case, it doesn't even seem like LMR. Considering she is backing off after a slight make out, it's not "last minute" resistance , but more like first move resistance.

Anyway, I'm into her, she's into me, and that is pretty cool situation to be in. I honestly hope it lasts. I will do my best not to fuck it up, and to not mess with her head. I wish they were all sweethearts.

In other news, I think I'm officially done with girls over age 25. I swear once a girl hits 25 or 26, her fun, free spirited nature goes out the window completely, and I'd rather hang out with my guy friends than hang with another fucking 26-29 year old. Those girls are the worst. They failed to attract husbands, and are too pent up and boring to keep me interested beyond a single date. By age 26 a girl that's not locked down is in some way defective.

I invited a 26 year old over for dinner tonight for a first date; my standard move.

We had been texting for over 6 weeks, and just never got around to meeting up. We hit it off by text; very similar sense of humor, and I thought she was mad chill. No joke we texted for 6 weeks and I thought we'd vibe together.

Girl shows up and is totally stiff. Even after a full bottle of wine she's completely closed off and my best game shit is falling flat. A total 180 from the personality I expected of her. I contemplate asking her to leave, because I knew within 90 seconds the date was a dead end, but I guess I'm just a pussy.

Anyway, I make some moves in vain, but I'm already unattracted to her and the whole thing falls flat.

Time for bed. I'll try again tomorrow. Chilling with a 23 year old that seems to be kind of a hippy. For some reason alternative girls really dig my vibe, and I like their mindset, so it works out.

(02-24-2015 12:58 AM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  In other news, I think I'm officially done with girls over age 25. I swear once a girl hits 25 or 26, her fun, free spirited nature goes out the window completely, and I'd rather hang out with my guy friends than hang with another fucking 26-29 year old. Those girls are the worst. They failed to attract husbands, and are too pent up and boring to keep me interested beyond a single date. By age 26 a girl that's not locked down is in some way defective.

Welcome to the brighter side of life

When you are busting your ass trying to find a job/internship, suddenly girls saying no to you is the least of your worries.

I'm just mass texting girls feeling total emptiness and detachment to shake off the job interviews I just went through.

(02-23-2015 08:58 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Is this a polite rejection or is she being honest? Should I radio silence or play it cool?

Many times, girls don't know what they want..

Here is what I recommend:

"Next" her but still try to fuck her.

What I mean by that is this: Psychologically and emotionally, move on, do not waste any more energy on her, but, when you see her, continue to game her, but, be even more aggressive and sexual because since you have already "next-ed" her, you should not give a fuck what happens. Be sure to look good when you see her.

Stop asking her out. Next time, just tell her where you are going and let her decide if she wants come and meet you or not.

Your whole attitude should be that you don't give a shit if she meets you or not. Carry yourself like you are the prize.

This has worked for me a number of times..

The girl rejects my first date offer, she seems unsure, than, I see her around and since I have already "nexted" her psychologically and emotionally, I don't give a fuck, I am more playful, more sexual, more aggressive, less needy, etc.

That's the frame I go with.

If you "next" her, you have zero chance of banging her.

If you psychologically and emotionally "next" her, but still push for sex, your chances of banging her go from zero to 10%, 20%, 30%, or 40%.

Many great accomplishments have happened on the 3rd or 4th try.

If everybody quit after the 2nd try, not much would get done.

^ Blurred

I can't believe you took this long to commit to this LOL.

This thread gets filled with guys making the shift.

18-23yo is as good as it will ever get.

Some 24's are ok but I can notice the symptoms. They are quickly losing their joy for life. It's ugly. Girls really need to be locked down at 22 or before to not spoil.

30-50 MILFs and Cougars is the backdrop.

24-29 are usually just wasteful. Their insecurities and over-inflated value is disturbing.

It's been over a year since I said absolutely no to any sort of date with that age range. Only way I am banging them is if I am in the club and they want it that night.

Yeah, I can't do 25-29, they're too bitter and jaded, even 24 year olds act in a way sometimes that turns me off.

Call me crazy but I like my whiskey old and my women young

Welp, it finally happened, went to a hockey game with my main, she got some free sick fucking seats behind the benches on the blue line.

We drank then I stopped while she drank a bit more.

Things are great, then we get in the car and I'm about to drive when we start fucking around tickling and wrestling, telling her that she loves it and me.

She gets a bit weird then super shy.....she said "I love you" to which I said "I already know that" (team han solo)

I mean I'm not stupid, I see her eyes, I see how she acts.

Basically it shook down to her being upset because she thinks I don't love her. In all reality I'm pretty sure I do but I'm cool, calm, and collected about it.

The booze, pmsing, and the word love got her pretty wrecked. Apparently she felt this way for MONTHS, basically since September.

Basically ran comfort game, took her home, she was pretty shook up because she hasn't let her walls down because she got REALLY fucked over in her relationship 2 years ago.

I sternly lectured her about not comparing to anyone, and that I show my emotions through actions not words. That I'm also not going to tell her I love her, just because she told me it, I'd do it on my own terms.

While she understood that, she was bit shooken up about her own emotional state. She wanted to sleep by herself because when drama happens she doesn't put it on anyone, she wants to handle it on her own.

She slept on the floor but eventually got into bed. We woke up thinks were okay, dark bags under her eyes, guessing she cried a bit.

We banged, things were getting back to normal. I told her to collect herself, reflect, and check her emotions.

I told her no fucking around, no games, no bullshit. She agreed and so far wants things the same way since she understands I'm not going anywhere since she complements my life, but she needs to act accordingly.

It's extremely clear that she definitely idolizes me and that I hold the power in this relationship.

I don't mean this in a sinister way, it's just that she let's me guide it and do things on my own terms.

I know how to hand these situations, I also see the blogs and threads about, curious to know how you gents handle those 3 words.

(02-24-2015 12:50 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 08:58 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Is this a polite rejection or is she being honest? Should I radio silence or play it cool?

Many times, girls don't know what they want..

Here is what I recommend:

"Next" her but still try to fuck her.

What I mean by that is this: Psychologically and emotionally, move on, do not waste any more energy on her, but, when you see her, continue to game her, but, be even more aggressive and sexual because since you have already "next-ed" her, you should not give a fuck what happens. Be sure to look good when you see her.

Stop asking her out. Next time, just tell her where you are going and let her decide if she wants come and meet you or not.

Your whole attitude should be that you don't give a shit if she meets you or not. Carry yourself like you are the prize.

This has worked for me a number of times..

The girl rejects my first date offer, she seems unsure, than, I see her around and since I have already "nexted" her psychologically and emotionally, I don't give a fuck, I am more playful, more sexual, more aggressive, less needy, etc.

That's the frame I go with.

If you "next" her, you have zero chance of banging her.

If you psychologically and emotionally "next" her, but still push for sex, your chances of banging her go from zero to 10%, 20%, 30%, or 40%.

Many great accomplishments have happened on the 3rd or 4th try.

If everybody quit after the 2nd try, not much would get done.

This is brilliant. I'm going to employ this approach. I'm pretty sure that I can pull it off now, because in the past my oneitis in most situations has been too strong. Lately, it's been harder to care than not, as before I had to mostly fake it.

(02-24-2015 04:57 PM)kaotic Wrote:  curious to know how you gents handle those 3 words.

Last time I handled that was almost five years ago. In bed, she said...it. I smiled and rubbed her hair for a bit and fell asleep. Apparently she cried all night and didn't sleep. Next morning was more of the same except with me trying to comfort a crying woman, and damn do I hate doing that. So, probably rule out that method.

Next time I have to deal with it, which hopefully won't be for a while yet (and provided she's not going stage 5 clinger after two weeks) I'm going with,"I care a lot about you too." Comforting without being beta. I think.

(02-24-2015 10:40 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 04:57 PM)kaotic Wrote:  curious to know how you gents handle those 3 words.

Last time I handled that was almost five years ago. In bed, she said...it. I smiled and rubbed her hair for a bit and fell asleep. Apparently she cried all night and didn't sleep. Next morning was more of the same except with me trying to comfort a crying woman, and damn do I hate doing that. So, probably rule out that method.

Next time I have to deal with it, which hopefully won't be for a while yet (and provided she's not going stage 5 clinger after two weeks) I'm going with,"I care a lot about you too." Comforting without being beta. I think.

I said the same shit along the lines of that I care alot for her alot, she's here for a reason, not because I just "like" her.

I kept it ambiguous.

I should also note that she did get an abortion because of me.

She told me she was extremely thankful that I was there for her and supported her.

I mean yeah it was shitty that it happened BUT I did dig her so of course I'm not gonna be a fuck head and ruin a decent woman/human being.

She seems to of settled down as of tonight, I had to get my mind off of it, had an 8 flake, banged a new 6 (yeah I know).