Post: #51

i try to game everywhere. even on funerals .

but on daygame ,if you have the looks it makes it a lot easier .

Post: #52

Well obviously looks make it easier.

Sadly im black and average.

Im actually worried about becoming an online meme too

Post: #53

(02-27-2015 03:37 AM)bpryce Wrote:  Well obviously looks make it easier.

Sadly im black and average.

Im actually worried about becoming an online meme too

Don't be so hard on yourself.

Looks matter but not as much as you think. The problem with any game(day or night)
is that you have a very limited time window to make an impression on a girl. She has no clue who you are.

In the wild, big cats often have 2 different strategies for hunting. The first is to chase the other animals outright. This direct approach often has a 30%-40% success rate...much like daygame/nightgame.

The second strategy involves sneaking up real close and then pouncing. In dating terms, this means making lots of friends and letting the girls get to know you. If you have 5 or 10 close (girl) friends, at least one of them eventually will fall for you. It's just the male female dynamic at play.

This approach does take longer, although the success rate is much higher.

Post: #54

(02-27-2015 02:42 AM)bpryce Wrote:  im kind of looking at daygame as a last option.

You should explore all options..

- Night game

- Online game

- Social circle game

- Niche scenes

- Moving

- Traveling

- Etc.

Why limit yourself to only one?

In many ways, day game is the most difficult of all these options..

Which method is the easiest for you?

Which method had brought the most success for you?

Which method is your weakest?

The are the questions you should be asking.

Built on your strengths and avoid or improve your weaknesses.

** I must admit, I only do day game.. But, I have explored all other options thoroughly and I have come realize that day game is the best fit for me based on the lifestyle that I want.**

Day game is tough, especially, if you do not have your look and style optimized.

(02-27-2015 02:42 AM)bpryce Wrote:  My feeling is that its possible but for someone like me who had a 1/50 success ratio in terms of approaches:dates,

that ratio has probably tripled or quadrupled to 1/200.

If you used to get 1 date out of 50 approaches..

And, now you are getting 1 date out of 200 approaches..

Then, you have not been practicing hard enough!

You have not been working to optimize your strategy and methods.

You have not been improving your looks and fashion.

You have not been working to improve your conversation and vibe.

If you were aggressively working on these things, your results would be improving.

Practice = get better

No Practice = get worse

(02-27-2015 02:42 AM)bpryce Wrote:  What are the alternatives though?

Like I said above..

The alternatives are night game - online game - social circle game - niche scenes - move to a different location - travel - etc.

(02-27-2015 03:37 AM)bpryce Wrote:  Well obviously looks make it easier.

Yes, obviously!

So, the next question is:

How aggressively are you working to improve your looks and overall aesthetic presentation.

Your clothes, your hair, your teeth, your shoes, your body, your diet, your facial expressions, your body language, stress, sleep, etc.

All of these things effect your "looks".

Maybe, you should be working harder on your looks?

Working on your "looks" has a great return on investment!

"Looks" are the most important thing in this whole game.

Post: #55

I daygamed with a fairly aesthetic male over 5000 sets between us.

I found night game and online to be better than daygame. My wing could get a date or two a week of decent quality tail online at will but yet daygame got demolished.

Nightgame and daygame are both about SNL type approaches. Your [email protected]@ is getting flaked on if they aren't ready to bang you the first meeting. Through daygame if they set a date up with you they want to bang you. And those girls are sluts.

The discernable difference though is that in nightgame will be littered with more sluts than your rare daygame chick and most importantly nightgame allows for escalation.

Escalation is pretty much the biggest requirement for any cold approach scenario. Daygame just makes that much more difficult.

Escalation alone allows nightgame to blow daygame out of the water.

Post: #56

(02-27-2015 03:37 AM)bpryce Wrote:  Well obviously looks make it easier.

Sadly im black and average.

Im actually worried about becoming an online meme too

How old are you?

Post: #57

day game is the best way ever to meet quality women,period

Post: #58

Daygame is to be frank, one of the best ways to meet the hottest women. I'm gonna flat disagree with WIA. I'm not sure where he hangs, but chubs and fat chicks don't get hollered out in my town. Cute, girl-next-door types don't have a peep said to them. Hot women, that would take any club I've been to in Vegas/LA atm by storm, don't have any guys talking to them.

I saw more haphazard approaches in say, Vegas, but not many at all. Back in Kansas City, it was home-free. I'd be one of maybe 6 guys running daygame in that city.

Here's the trick - don't go out to game. Go out to live. Take some work, camp some coffee shops. Spend a week in each one, scope the talent. I work for myself, so I live on a laptop. I run daygame all day.. anytime I have a good opportunity I take a break from my work, approach, close, and back to work. Easy to work it, because you can also bail very quickly and easily if you feel awkward. Just say hey, gotta head to X, and then promptly go camp another coffee shop after you get the number.

Be natural. Don't rush things. Have some natural conversation. Be teasing, a little ambiguous, drop some bait in the conversation and let her take it. Open girls by asking to sit with them in crowded coffee shops, comment on their drink choice, ask what they're working on, in quieter ones. Easier opener "Coming in to study?" You can find out whether a girl is open to chat within 10 seconds.

I don't roll fast-paced street game, nor do I do good nightgame. But if you're somewhat introverted, and you prefer working places without competition, daygame is where it is at. You can lock down exclusive attention from her very quickly.

Post: #59

I have made day game a part of my daily life. Its hard to call it the best kind of game because on any given day I have a better chance of getting a bang from online or night game. For me though day game works better over time especially with younger women (online is amazing for me with 35+). You enjoy everyday life and attempt to talk to as many hot women as you can in the process. As you do it more and more, you get better at converting to numbers and bangs.

Being in my low 40s, in shape, tall, good looking and nice, I get great reaction from younger women in day game. When you're my age and you go out at night a large percent of American 21-29 year olds are not interested due to the age factor. A large percent of these same 21-29 year olds are interested during the day. There is just less of a creepy feel for them. Yesterday I had a great date with a 23 year old I met day gaming. If I had night gamed her, I would have been one of like 20 guys who approaching her and for that matter I would have probably been the oldest guy approaching.

Post: #60

Question for the guys who go out regularly just for daygaming without another real purpose: What do you tell the girls you approach, if they ask you what you are doing here? What do you tell your friends, colleagues etc, if they ask you the next day, what you did yesterday? What do you tell your friends colleagues etc, if they meet you while daygaming and asking you what you are up to?

Post: #61

(02-27-2015 03:30 AM)Amsterdamned Wrote:  i try to game everywhere. even on funerals .

I tried in a morgue recently. Too bad she seemed unresponsive to my schtick.

Post: #62

(12-28-2017 09:09 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 03:30 AM)Amsterdamned Wrote:  i try to game everywhere. even on funerals .

I tried in a morgue recently. Too bad she seemed unresponsive to my schtick.

Yes, there are some cold bitches out there. Covered in make-up to make themselves appear far better than is natural. These THOTs can't even manage of simple conversation. They are so brain-dead that you can't expect responses to even the most basic of questions.

There are situations where you approach a girl and she doesn't even give you eye contact. That's the world we live in now. Sometimes, the only option is to kino-escalate and if you don't encounter any obvious resistance, just go for the bang, even if she's otherwise cold and unresponsive.

Post: #63

I get more girls on day game than night game. Their shields are much lower during the day and I don't have to pay money just to enter clubs and waste my cash on alcohol. I just cannot tolerate alcohol much these days.

Post: #64

Let me give my 2 cents as someone who prefers night-game. Night game is more optimal than day game just because when women are out at night they are more in a party mood, usually single, smoking/drinking, and frequently are in pairs so very approachable.

During the day the same girls are running errands, in a hurry, don't give you a "captive audience" and unless you are an extrovert trying to get their attention can be difficult. Day game can also be very inefficient, depending on the location and a waste of time as it requires lots of walking/approaching with limited results, especially for beginning guys and those who don't have good looks/style. In night-game those latter factors can be overcome via dancing and drinking. Exception to this would be for guys under 21 (or under 18 in other countries) who cannot drink and are student's, then the best way to meet is via day-game on-campus.

Post: #65

(12-28-2017 07:44 AM)King of the Bongo Wrote:  Question for the guys who go out regularly just for daygaming without another real purpose: What do you tell the girls you approach, if they ask you what you are doing here? What do you tell your friends, colleagues etc, if they ask you the next day, what you did yesterday? What do you tell your friends colleagues etc, if they meet you while daygaming and asking you what you are up to?

No girl has ever asked me. If your friends ask you, you're just walking around and exploring the city, getting some shopping done.

Post: #66

Daygame is the best out of all options because it's free. Just ask for directions and if the girl gives you puppy eyes then proceed... If she doesn't then just take the directions and say thanks.

You don't ever have to get rejected.

Simple, free, fun.

Post: #67

Day game is a poor ROI. The best of course is social network by far. I'd find it much more productive to provide value to some of the well connected local guys and you'll have a much easier time scoring in the top tier. Of course this takes time, but check out Distant Light's posts.

Its no surprise the most stable of marriages happened from friends of friends, family, work colleagues, or university.

Post: #68

According to this it's in decline, though:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/12/...rent-year/

Post: #69

(12-28-2017 10:13 AM)TripleG Wrote:  Let me give my 2 cents as someone who prefers night-game. Night game is more optimal than day game just because when women are out at night they are more in a party mood, usually single, smoking/drinking, and frequently are in pairs so very approachable.

During the day the same girls are running errands, in a hurry, don't give you a "captive audience" and unless you are an extrovert trying to get their attention can be difficult. Day game can also be very inefficient, depending on the location and a waste of time as it requires lots of walking/approaching with limited results, especially for beginning guys and those who don't have good looks/style. In night-game those latter factors can be overcome via dancing and drinking. Exception to this would be for guys under 21 (or under 18 in other countries) who cannot drink and are student's, then the best way to meet is via day-game on-campus.

Certainly, a number of the points you make are true. But it is also true that there are number of advantages to daygame that nightgame normally doesn't have.

1. You can more often find women alone rather than in a group.
2. They will tend to have a lower bitch shield than in bars and clubs.
3. It opens you up to meeting women who aren't going to bars and clubs.
4. Lower costs as don't have to buy drinks and covers and so on.
5. I'd argue that Daygame plays more into the romantic notions of women. They don't want to say they met their guy at the bar or club but would love to say they met him at the supermarket, a class, museum, etc.

(12-28-2017 02:12 PM)Putin Closes Wrote:  Day game is a poor ROI. The best of course is social network by far. I'd find it much more productive to provide value to some of the well connected local guys and you'll have a much easier time scoring in the top tier. Of course this takes time, but check out Distant Light's posts.

Its no surprise the most stable of marriages happened from friends of friends, family, work colleagues, or university.

I don't know about this. The amount of time needed to invest in social circles is actually very high because you have to keep tending to those groups. I actually think the reason more marriages may come from other sources is because many people are afraid to venture outside of social circles. In some places, it is also against the cultural norms to approach women outside of social circles. In other words, most people use these methods which is why they yield the most results. However, this does not mean other methods do not work and should not be used. The point of game to me is to develop extra skills so that these other methods can become effective for them.

Post: #70

(12-28-2017 02:12 PM)Putin Closes Wrote:  Day game is a poor ROI. The best of course is social network by far. I'd find it much more productive to provide value to some of the well connected local guys and you'll have a much easier time scoring in the top tier. Of course this takes time, but check out Distant Light's posts.

Its no surprise the most stable of marriages happened from friends of friends, family, work colleagues, or university.

What investment? Everybody needs to go out anyway so why not approach the women you find attractive when you see them?

It takes 3 seconds of your time to ask a woman for directions or for restaurants/bars/cafes in the area.

Are you not a smooth talker? Are you unattractive? Only then perhaps you need social circle game.

Listening to women talk is hard enough as it is on short dates; there is no way anyone should be playing the long game with social circles just to get poon, unless you have no other choice.

Post: #71

You absolutely get the highest quality women from daygame. Yes, you can get hot girls in bars/clubs in NYC but for the top-tier girls it's so much more likely from daygame when their shields are down. And anything/everything is an opener - Where is the nearest starbucks? You skipping work too? What a gorgeous day! and then segue into comfort - Hey let's get some ice cream! Hit up Happy Hour, etc, ad infinitum. I would add it's clearly easier if you're a good talker.

I've posted earlier about sitting next to a very tall runway model in Central Park and then asking her if she wanted ice cream, her eyes lit up immediately and we went out many, many times. Kinky as all hell.

Post: #72

A big part of this is your location. Day game in a major Tier 1 city looks much different than in the only Costco in a small town. Women (especially the 8s+) expect to be hit on, so their bitch shield may be up to a point, but how you open will determine where things go.

Post: #73

I'm talking about people who wander the streets / malls the whole day to game. Obviously chatting random girls while doing errands is different.

And social networking is not investing for me. I don't go to the extremes, just natural chit chat and making friends

Post: #74

(12-29-2017 03:32 AM)Putin Closes Wrote:  I'm talking about people who wander the streets / malls the whole day to game. Obviously chatting random girls while doing errands is different.

And social networking is not investing for me. I don't go to the extremes, just natural chit chat and making friends

It does depend on where you live and how attractive you are.

I remember watching Roosh on Romanian tv; even though he's not good looking and he stutters a bit, he has the right non gamey vibe required for daygame. I really don't know how much time in the day he dedicated to it, but it didn't seem like that much. If he can do it, then almost anyone can.

If you're handsome and smooth, daygame is heaven.

Anyway, this thread's title really bothers me.

Post: #75

Day Game is the best tool in my toolbox. You don't have to sift through a thousand bullshitters or entitled hoes that get hundreds of messages a day online from soy boys willing to buy them a drink or take them to dinner. You get to see the girl in bright lights will little makeup. She's not on guard and ready to turn down everyone and prolly not surrounded by her friends who will shoot you in the back... It's so much easier than Night Game.

I think someone wrote a book on this subject, entitled: DAY GAME. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the author...

And, agreeing with XXX...

"Is Thread The Worst Way To Name A Thread?"