This is the end for Tinder. The value add for women was they could get instant attention by all the guys matching with them. Now that men are limited on the number of right swipes, they will be more discerning. The girls who are 5s and 6s will get filtered out.
They should have just put ads up every 10th picture. Nobody is going to pay after using it for free for a year.

And to get around the swipe limit, just set your clock forward a day.
The app uses local time. So this will work for 4 months until the next update.

(02-17-2015 08:04 PM)TornadoByProxy Wrote:  This is the end for Tinder. The value add for women was they could get instant attention by all the guys matching with them. Now that men are limited on the number of right swipes, they will be more discerning. The girls who are 5s and 6s will get filtered out.
They should have just put ads up every 10th picture. Nobody is going to pay after using it for free for a year.

For unlimited likes and the option millions of men will pay, we can't under estimate the level of thirst as women will never approach thier daily "like limit" so this is intended to rinse men's money away and nothing else. It does not change the average woman's Tinder experience as she will get her pick of matches daily as she chooses (most dudes after a while just mass swipe). For me in Toronto I swipe 95% right even when attempting to be 'picky'. Borderline broads get in but the majority of women are fuckable. So even when being more 'decerning' I would run out of likes which makes no sense. But Tinder is a rigged game now so not much of it is supposed to make sense.

The biggest selling point to women in " Plus" is for thier vaginal vacations in which a woman can now pipeline before her trip to London, Paris, NYC, wherever and line up a buffet or random local cocks. She can pay for one month and then not renew and have it all set up. Men have tbat luxury also, but something tells me that women don't methodically pre-plan thier dates and hook ups prior to landing like players do. This will be a new change for women who now travel more then men do on average in the West. In the end for men the incentive is to pay to keep the monkey game going as as normal, or how it is now, and thus nlt subjected to limited likes and more cockblocks from the alogrythim. I think alot of men out of frustratation will bend and pay that fee.

(02-17-2015 01:07 PM)Benoit Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 12:14 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  Two of the hottest matches I've gotten yet, last night...
I hadn't messaged them yet but when I signed in today, they had unmatched me
Oh well...

Swiper's remorse?

Bots getting banned.

Too bad. I really wanted to bang those bots

Finally had a Tinder girl agree just to show up and hangout without meeting in public first, but I had to flake due to logistics. Dammit! My whole day has been like this. She is closer to my age but Asian and fine as a frog hair. She agree to come by tomorrow.

I think Tinder Plus could actually make the app better.

- It will cut the ability for guys to autoswipe/mass swipe.
- Average guys swipe on nearly 50% of girls which mean they can only swipe 40 pics a day. This will help reduce the possibles matches for girls.
- Conversely, girls only swipe on 10%-14% so they can still go through nearly 200+ pics daily without hitting the limit.
- It will work to throttle matches going both ways. There's too much choice right now for girls.
- This will disappoint some girls on it for attention? Good! Let's hope this happens because you have exactly a 1% chance of banging these types anyway.
- I don't give a shit about $3-5 a month so I will pay. It's an easy way for me to separate from the hordes of men.

Basically I see this as a way to reel in the guys on this app, which needs to be done. There are too many men and they are swiping right 3x as much as girls. I don't see how this affects the average girl that much if she only swipes on 14% anyway. Do girls actually go through more than 200 a photos a day? I'm sure Tinder knows the answer to this question. Some of you guys are acting like they haven't asked themselves these questions.

Tinder did not just stumble into this game. Are there not 7000+ posts on RVF about this app? It still has some shelf life for sure. These guys are smart, don't get it twisted. If it doesn't work out I'm sure they'll price drop or pivot.

(02-17-2015 08:08 PM)TornadoByProxy Wrote:  And to get around the swipe limit, just set your clock forward a day.
The app uses local time. So this will work for 4 months until the next update.

No mate, your allotted swipes will be all Server-sided. Most apps used to make this mistake but it's a widely known trick at this point


You will be able to exploit this using a proxy server, but really its only the 'nerds' like myself who would do and document this to the public, so no point anyways.

(02-17-2015 10:47 PM)YardDog Wrote:  I think Tinder Plus could actually make the app better.

- It will cut the ability for guys to autoswipe/mass swipe.
- Average guys swipe on nearly 50% of girls which mean they can only swipe 40 pics a day. This will help reduce the possibles matches for girls.
- Conversely, girls only swipe on 10%-14% so they can still go through nearly 200+ pics daily without hitting the limit.
- It will work to throttle matches going both ways. There's too much choice right now for girls.
- This will disappoint some girls on it for attention? Good! Let's hope this happens because you have exactly a 1% chance of banging these types anyway.
- I don't give a shit about $3-5 a month so I will pay. It's an easy way for me to separate from the hordes of men.

Basically I see this as a way to reel in the guys on this app, which needs to be done. There are too many men and they are swiping right 3x as much as girls. I don't see how this affects the average girl that much if she only swipes on 14% anyway. Do girls actually go through more than 200 a photos a day? I'm sure Tinder knows the answer to this question. Some of you guys are acting like they haven't asked themselves these questions.

Tinder did not just stumble into this game. Are there not 7000+ posts on RVF about this app? It still has some shelf life for sure. These guys are smart, don't get it twisted. If it doesn't work out I'm sure they're price drop or pivot.

I agree on a lot of this but its a bit of a wash.

*On one hand, Guys like me who go out in person to meet girls 98% of the time will just stop using the app. Tinder never really worked for me anyways as a mixed/black guy (justbeinhonezt).
Which would be good for you who have this app actually work!!


* On the other hand, there actually are a ton of girls who enjoy the "position" of being arbiter and "high judge" being able to completely determine guys' fate at the swipe of their fingertips. If you've seen girls play the Tinder game together in public, they get great enjoyment out of collectively saying "ewww no" or "yes him!" or "maybe, pass!"
These girls will stop using the app, however, like Zelcorpion said, if GIRLS got it for free but GUYS had to pay, you'd still see tons of girls using the app.

(02-17-2015 01:35 PM)ManVsMachine Wrote:  Saw a Barstool Sports blog crossposted from reddit on how the "Dubai Tinder" is filled with nothing but dimes (read: escorts).


Currently spoofing my location there and only finding mainly average looking consultants. Most mentioning the city in the bio so I'm guessing the spoof works. Perhaps the service has already screened out my income?

Dubai is an interesting case study. Incredible wealth, a men to women ratio of 7:1 and the inevitable harlotry charging different rates depending on the race of the woman.

(02-17-2015 11:01 AM)Erasmus Wrote:  A limited amount of likes per 24 hours and a €19,99 ! per month for tinderplus and ever diminishing quality of matches, I'm liking Tinder less and less.

Just to clarify, are there two payment plans? One at circa €2.50 and one at €19.99 per month?

If you guys are not using flamite (i.e. botinder) you may want to try it out. It's a chrome extension and it's much faster to see a girl's profile and type messages. It still kind of sucks though.

Is there a way to download an older version? My cellphone is so shitty that I can't even download it, maybe an android update?

Quel surprise messieurs...

Quote:More Men Use Dating Apps Than Women

According to a new study, some 90 million people around the world used location-based dating apps like Tinder and Momo last month. And it turns out that nearly two-thirds of those swipers were male.

Although that doesn’t mean men spend more time on apps than their female counterparts. Tinder, which the New York Times estimated to have upwards of 50 million active users, said that while men spend 7.2 minutes in an average session, women spend 8.5 minutes swiping through options. Dudes also swipe “like” 46% of the time compared to women’s 14% of the time.

http://time.com/3711902/men-use-dating-a...re-tinder/

The female journalist who has probably been on the cock carousel for years could not resist:

Quote:Quantity doesn’t equal quality, fellas.

(02-18-2015 01:01 AM)N°6 Wrote:  Quel surprise messieurs...

Quote:More Men Use Dating Apps Than Women

According to a new study, some 90 million people around the world used location-based dating apps like Tinder and Momo last month. And it turns out that nearly two-thirds of those swipers were male.

Although that doesn’t mean men spend more time on apps than their female counterparts. Tinder, which the New York Times estimated to have upwards of 50 million active users, said that while men spend 7.2 minutes in an average session, women spend 8.5 minutes swiping through options. Dudes also swipe “like” 46% of the time compared to women’s 14% of the time.

http://time.com/3711902/men-use-dating-a...re-tinder/

The female journalist who has probably been on the cock carousel for years could not resist:

Quote:Quantity doesn’t equal quality, fellas.

As our own Speakeasy once said, online dating is a "male brothel" for women.

Those numbers are unbelievable. Nearly 2/3 of Tinder users are male and women only swipe yes 14% of the time.

The cynical part of me says that the dating game is getting harder and harder to thrive in.

Male thirst is a real fucking problem. Fuck.

What are we to do...

(02-18-2015 12:51 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 11:01 AM)Erasmus Wrote:  A limited amount of likes per 24 hours and a €19,99 ! per month for tinderplus and ever diminishing quality of matches, I'm liking Tinder less and less.

Just to clarify, are there two payment plans? One at circa €2.50 and one at €19.99 per month?

No I checked again and it doesn't seem like it.

(02-17-2015 10:47 PM)YardDog Wrote:  Basically I see this as a way to reel in the guys on this app, which needs to be done. There are too many men and they are swiping right 3x as much as girls. I don't see how this affects the average girl that much if she only swipes on 14% anyway. Do girls actually go through more than 200 a photos a day? I'm sure Tinder knows the answer to this question. Some of you guys are acting like they haven't asked themselves these questions.

Tinder did not just stumble into this game. Are there not 7000+ posts on RVF about this app? It still has some shelf life for sure. These guys are smart, don't get it twisted. If it doesn't work out I'm sure they'll price drop or pivot.

You are missing something - it's no problem if our choices are limited. But if female choices are down, so will be overall matches!

And no - Tinder has made a huge blunder by limiting the options for girls.

(02-18-2015 04:50 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  You are missing something - it's no problem if our choices are limited. But if female choices are down, so will be overall matches!

And no - Tinder has made a huge blunder by limiting the options for girls.

It will make girls pickier, and (slightly) limit the amount of matches they can farm.

If that leads to Tinder losing a chunk of the attention-whore market, it may work out as a net positive for guys who know how to convert matches into dates.

(02-18-2015 04:50 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 10:47 PM)YardDog Wrote:  Basically I see this as a way to reel in the guys on this app, which needs to be done. There are too many men and they are swiping right 3x as much as girls. I don't see how this affects the average girl that much if she only swipes on 14% anyway. Do girls actually go through more than 200 a photos a day? I'm sure Tinder knows the answer to this question. Some of you guys are acting like they haven't asked themselves these questions.

Tinder did not just stumble into this game. Are there not 7000+ posts on RVF about this app? It still has some shelf life for sure. These guys are smart, don't get it twisted. If it doesn't work out I'm sure they'll price drop or pivot.

You are missing something - it's no problem if our choices are limited. But if female choices are down, so will be overall matches!

And no - Tinder has made a huge blunder by limiting the options for girls.

You think girls swipe on more than 200 guys a day? You don't think Tinder has thought this through? They know the exact average number of swipes a women does per day. They didn't just pull 20 out of the sky.

I don't even swipe on 200 a day.

It might be limiting in some ways to women, but overall the usefulness will still be there no doubt. Women don't swipe either way as often as men and only swipe right 14% of time which means they'll still get plenty of chances for matches.

You're writing like Tinder hasn't thought this through and you're onto something they're not. These guys are software pros and they understand the numbers.

Either way, they have to rein in the men on this app and this is a good way to do it.

They have to monetize this app at some point. They have loads of data on how both men and women behave on this app and have had a couple years to come to these conclusions. Let's see if they're right.

(02-18-2015 08:37 AM)YardDog Wrote:  You're writing like Tinder hasn't thought this through and you're onto something they're not. These guys are software pros and they understand the numbers.

Either way, they have to rein in the men on this app and this is a good way to do it.

They have to monetize this app at some point. They have loads of data on how both men and women behave on this app and have had a couple years to come to these conclusions. Let's see if they're right.

Currently I have heard from guys who use Tinder in several countries that the number of matches went down tremendously after the change - good looking men who get plenty of likes.

Again - I have no problem with monetizing Tinder. I would even propose more drastic measures and offer massive Red Pill features for men that many would pay a lot for.

We will see what happens and if you are right and it made Game easier or more difficult. Cutting out thirsty broke dudes is of course good, but limiting women?

For those of us in smaller cities it's impossible to burn through matches. I have distance set at 18 miles and only get about 10 a day to swipe on, most are fatties too.

(02-18-2015 04:50 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  You are missing something - it's no problem if our choices are limited. But if female choices are down, so will be overall matches!

And no - Tinder has made a huge blunder by limiting the options for girls.

I was one of the early users of Tinder as I was in college on the west coast when they had hired ambassadors who were sorority girls at University of Santa Clara and the app had pretty much its own college ecosystem. Good business move as we were swiping through mostly only cuties. My matches back then will never be topped in terms of looks.

Everyone was getting more dates back in those days, but the first nail in the coffin for Tinder was when the app opened up to Android.

Dead serious, the primarily male android demographic had been clamoring for the app, gnashing their teeth and it was almost as if floodgates were opened and a sea of sausage filled the scene.

Much like a night club that lets ladies in free, the women start dancing on the tables and making a mockery of any guy who would dare approach them. Its their night to be worshiped and foolish men give it to them. That's when the app really turned from a viable dating option for guys like me.

(02-18-2015 01:01 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

Quote:"Quantity doesn’t equal quality, fellas."

I found that dig pretty insincere, to say the least. C*ntish, more accurately. Most men are finding neither quality nor quantity on this app.

(02-18-2015 01:33 AM)Mister X Wrote:  Those numbers are unbelievable. Nearly 2/3 of Tinder users are male and women only swipe yes 14% of the time.

The cynical part of me says that the dating game is getting harder and harder to thrive in.

Male thirst is a real fucking problem. Fuck.

What are we to do...

Lol I found this funny for some reason

Get off tinder, unless the service works for you. I've stopped using the app for anything other than gauging interest from girls in other countries. This is nothing new. Male thirst is nothing new. Just because you heard the statistics now you're freaking? This just confirmed what we already knew:

http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-l...ne-dating/





Tinder Plus has been announced for USA in early-mid March. The end is near

(02-18-2015 10:03 AM)ManVsMachine Wrote:  Tinder Plus has been announced for USA in early-mid March. The end is near

Well, just maybe, all these apps and smartphones will actually reduce competition in the day game arena. The more guys lost in the world of their smartphones, the more approachable women will be for us who actually go up and talk to them IRL? Herd mentality and all

(02-18-2015 08:37 AM)YardDog Wrote:  It might be limiting in some ways to women, but overall the usefulness will still be there no doubt. Women don't swipe either way as often as men and only swipe right 14% of time which means they'll still get plenty of chances for matches.

You're writing like Tinder hasn't thought this through and you're onto something they're not. These guys are software pros and they understand the numbers.

Either way, they have to rein in the men on this app and this is a good way to do it.

You are right in that Tinder is part of a bigger company.....IAC - which also owns OKCupid which we all know has some of the best datamining in the industry..... and you are also right that the men needed to be reigned in......


But I think you're underestimating how little a girl cares to pay for this app. I think they are too. I hope they did some A/B testing or some in-field studies on users of this app because, from the general attitude of girls I know who use the app - this really isn't a saving grace for their love lives. Not in the least bit.

Most girls hold the app at arms length. They're using it because it amuses them. They're using it because "Goodbye Felipe" and other tumblr/reddit pages that make fun of thirsty and angry men on the app. To be honest, the very process of swiping left or right on guys is far more enjoyable to women than it is to us conversely. And they're about to put a premium on that. The girls who have to legitimately need to use the app to meet men are not the girls you or I would like to date.


I will say this: I am tired of hearing about the app in mainstream media. It's almost as if they pretend like this app *isnt* a dating service. Once Tinder Plus comes around, it will be treated more as such. Now, people are just screenshotting their crazy conversations and posting them online for the whole world to see. It just needs to stop lol.

(02-18-2015 10:14 AM)ManVsMachine Wrote:  Most girls hold the app at arms length. They're using it because it amuses them. They're using it because "Goodbye Felipe" and other tumblr/reddit pages that make fun of thirsty and angry men on the app. To be honest, the very process of swiping left or right on guys is far more enjoyable to women than it is to us conversely. And they're about to put a premium on that. The girls who have to legitimately need to use the app to meet men are not the girls you or I would like to date.

The main reason why women in the interesting age-groups of 18-35 won't be paying for it is this:

http://www.businessinsider.com/maps-ther...ies-2015-2





Only from the age of 35 onward do we start to have better options as men and it becomes really cozy between 45 and 64, but who cares?



But even at ages of 35-44 in the West the men outnumber women!



There is a good reason why practically all governments in the West don't publish gender statistics between the ages of 16 to 35. Men would start to misbehave if they realized that they had worse chances of getting a hot girl in her prime than in China.

Women do pay for dating advice and matchmaking services, but only after hitting the wall.

(02-18-2015 10:21 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  There is a good reason why practically all governments in the West don't publish gender statistics between the ages of 16 to 35. Men would start to misbehave if they realized that they had worse chances of getting a hot girl in her prime than in China.

Women do pay for dating advice and matchmaking services, but only after hitting the wall.

You're exactly right, and its funny you brought up China because of their crazy One-Child policy and how predominately-male Chinese immigration as the largest population in the world next to India factored in to all of this.


It was written about circa 10-15 years ago - Chinese men emigrating to meet women in India, Europe, USA, and even Africa - but it "strangely" hasn't been written about again recently. I believe for that exact reason you said - to avoid dissidence among the ranks.

Two things are going on:
1) What you predicted was true - men actually are misbehaving more nowadays.
2) More and more men are dropping out of the game altogether. Wait on this one - in 4-5 years, there will be more articles reminiscent of the Japanese NEET/"grasseater" culture in America. This will even the playing field for guys with GAME!


But Americans - can't we just see it all around us? Unless you're in a select few cities, you just simply aren't seeing 7.5-9/10 women around. Even since 5 years ago the market has dried up for very attractive women. More and more of the few hot women around are becoming WAGs to athletes, or jumping into harem of very successful men.


One final thing to note is that - there ARE 8/10s on Tinder. And there are D1/pro athletes who use Tinder. The location services of Tinder+ will help them pair off easier.