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RE: The Butthurt Chronicles: Millenial edition
On the mopping, dusting and sweeping issue, I see it as self importance before lack of intelligence.

I believe this because all the new soldiers I'm getting in my sections were taught how to do these tasks, with repetition and high standard, throughout the entirety of their initial training. When they get to our unit they somehow are inept and unable to perform these simple tasks. This is definitely a power play on behalf of an individual that feels like some labor is below them(the star/narcissism effect) and a general lack of respect for their superiors.

I think there's a greater gap between millennials of my age bracket(27) and the ones in the 24-18 age range. You can see a measurable difference in mentality and discipline of soldiers that joined during the war campaigns versus the guys we're getting now. All ages and types of men joined during the wars, but the lack of adversity or definitive danger seems to impact professionalism among the men that joined after 2010. I got in the guard in 2007. There shouldn't be such a large shift in that short amount of time, but there is, so I rest it on lack of challenge and hardship that makes us an insufferable generation.

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We sent him to the gas station two blocks away with a gas can and even showed him how to fill it.

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(02-10-2015 03:54 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  We sent him to the gas station two blocks away with a gas can and even showed him how to fill it.

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(02-09-2015 01:00 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  
(02-07-2015 06:56 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  One of my employees, 22 years old, had his sister come into work and show him how to use a vacuum cleaner.

A vacuum cleaner!

Are you sure he wasn't just being lazy and lied to get her in there to do his job for nothing? He's either clever or a complete retard.

He may not consciously realize that he could solve the problem by being less lazy.
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Relevant: Everything Is Awesome! Why You Can’t Tell Employees They’re Doing a Bad Job

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Quote:If you don’t have anything nice to say, management has a tip: Try harder.

Fearing they’ll crush employees’ confidence and erode performance, employers are asking managers to ease up on harsh feedback. “Accentuate the positive” has become a new mantra at workplaces like VMware Inc., Wayfair Inc., and the Boston Consulting Group Inc., where bosses now dole out frequent praise, urge employees to celebrate small victories and focus performance reviews around a particular worker’s strengths—instead of dwelling on why he flubbed a client presentation.


The shift may annoy leaders who rose in a tough-love era in business, but executives say hard-edge tactics simply do more harm than good these days.

When employees’ flaws are laid bare, “there’s that mental ‘ugh’ and shrug of, ‘This is who I am,’ ” says Michelle Russell, a partner at BCG.

Bit by bit, the consulting firm has changed the way managers evaluate employee performance. For years, those discussions focused largely on employee missteps and where they needed to improve.

“We would bring them in and beat them down a bit,” says Ms. Russell. After the reviews, she observed some employees left the company as their confidence and performance slipped; others seemed rattled days or weeks later.

Now, managers are expected to extol staffers’ strengths during reviews and check-ins, explaining how the person can use his or her talents to tackle aspects of the job that come less naturally.

Bosses are advised to mention no more than one or two areas that require development, Ms. Russell adds.

Some veteran managers dismissed the new approach as a feel-good initiative, she says. Others found they had to force consultants—so accustomed to homing in on their weaknesses—to listen to what they were doing well, says Ms. Russell.

Liz Gilliam, a project leader with the company, says she always zoned out during the positive parts of performance discussions with managers, but took notes whenever her bosses pointed out her flaws. Ms. Gilliam, 31 years old, found the negatives “disheartening” and “jarring,” but admits she couldn’t help obsessing over them.

Managers now require her to pay attention to the positives—one forbade her to write down her weaknesses unless she jotted down the good things, too, and another made her transcribe her strengths on a white board. “It’s a scary exercise,” she says, but has given her newfound confidence.

Not that firms want to eliminate negative feedback entirely. Tough feedback sometimes motivates people better than praise does, management experts say. Jack Zenger and Joseph Folkman of leadership consultancy Zenger Folkman have found employees crave critiques more than gold stars.

Showing people how they stack up is the “emotionally loudest” type of feedback, according to Sheila Heen, a lecturer at Harvard Law School and co-author of “Thanks for the Feedback.” Most employees feel unappreciated, Ms. Heen says, and criticism tends to overshadow appreciation or coaching, especially among young workers.

Still, companies that ramp up the positivity need to make sure they’re not totally bypassing the evaluation of employees, she says.

Workers want to know where they stand, and they’ll start listening for evaluation in all kinds of conversations if they’re not getting it during a performance review, for example.

It can become an excuse for managers “to avoid the parts of the conversation they didn’t want to have,” Ms. Heen says. Problems can fester and employees will notice when their colleagues aren’t pulling their weight. “That also is demoralizing,” she says.

Maynard Webb, chairman of Yahoo Inc. and author of a 2013 book on work, recalls being yelled at by an executive at IBM in the early 1980s. With such feedback, “you just tried to make sure it didn’t derail you,” he says.

That same executive today would face disciplinary action, guesses Mr. Webb. “People expect to be treated differently,” he says.

Lots of businesses remain devoted to toughness. At Netflix Inc., chief executive Reed Hastings ’s famed manifesto on the company culture likens the firm to a pro sports team, not a Little League squad, noting that “adequate performance gets a generous severance package.”

The rising popularity of tools like Gallup’s StrengthsFinder, which is designed to measure a person’s talents in any of 34 areas, suggests how many more companies are taking a positive tack. About 600,000 people used the tool each year from 2001 through 2012, says Leticia McCadden, a spokeswoman for Gallup.

Since 2012, the number of users has jumped to 1.6 million a year. As of last year, StrengthsFinder was used by 467 members of the Fortune 500.

Facebook, one of the best-known users of StrengthsFinder, has crafted a new management style attuned to the needs of 20- and 30-somethings that comprise most of its staff.

E-commerce company Wayfair teaches its managers how to make feedback “palatable,” according to learning and development specialist Ashley Libitz, so that the company’s hundreds of young workers, “not only understand they’re doing a great job but exactly what it is they’re doing great.”

PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP, which hired nearly 9,000 employees and interns from universities last year, asks managers to hold “career outlook” discussions about employees’ futures at the firm, rather than reviews centered on where they dropped the ball over the past year.

The firm also urges staff to send e-cards praising peers or subordinates, and allocates money for managers to dole out to further reward wins, according to Tim Ryan, a vice chairman at the company.

Caitlin Marcoux, a senior associate at the company, says she still gets told when she messed up. But she appreciates the extra dose of appreciation, which she says has helped to build her confidence. Without it, “I’ll be a harsher critic on myself,” she says.

Palo Alto, Calif., software company VMware Inc., is pushing managers to embrace Marshall Goldsmith ’s “feedforward” concept, which asks employees to suggest ideas for their own improvement in the future, rather than review past performance.

No judging, rating or critiquing is allowed, says Victoria Sevilla, who develops training for employees there.

“It doesn’t depress [employees] into thinking, ‘one more thing to develop, one more thing that’s wrong,’ ” she says.

Jill Trotter, a staffing partner at the company, says the recent jolt of positivity has helped her “blossom” in her second career. Last year, her manager implemented a practice called “good news,” where team members inform each other of little wins. On a recent conference call, he called out a successful presentation Ms. Trotter had given and implored her to discuss exactly what went well and how the group can leverage those lessons going forward. When there’s something she needs to improve, her manager will use a phrase like, “This is another way that’s been successful.”

“The messaging is crystal clear, but it’s not like, ‘You did this wrong, I’m disappointed, you’re not doing this right,’” she says. “It’s a lot easier to swallow.”

She says she always knows when there’s something she needs to work on but acknowledges that under a less-skilled manager, employees might not know where they stand.

VMware has borrowed techniques from marriage counselors, such as increasing the ratio of positive to negative comments in the workplace and encouraging employees to celebrate their wins.

“You’re really trying to get them in the moment where they’re reliving the joy they felt,” says Jessica Amortegui, a former VMware talent development executive.

Engineers, in particular, have a hard time transitioning to the managerial ranks, says Ms. Amortegui, because they tend to apply the critical mind-sets that enabled them to solve complex coding problems to their employees.

Ms. Amortegui has advised a few, “you’re not there to fix and find their [workers’] bugs.”

Yahoo’s Mr. Webb cautions that overly positive managers run the risk of ignoring problems festering in their workplace, making for a crisis down the line.

Overall, though, the evolution isn’t a bad thing—people perform better when they’re encouraged and inspired, he says. With softer tactics showing up everywhere from classrooms to football fields, it may be the direction things are headed anyway, he says.

“I don’t think it’s just management practices that are getting soft.”

Write to Rachel Feintzeig at [email protected]
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Quote:I guess this had to happen since the generation that was raised on getting trophies for "participation" is now in the workforce and we would not want to damage their fragile egos. I worked for 30 years at a company where praise was scarce and I learned to take pride in doing a good job without the expectation someone would paste a gold star on my forehead. Life is hard, people. Get over it.

The best thing a manger can do is set the right example day-to-day. Praise or correct as it is warranted.
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Quote: On the mopping, dusting and sweeping issue, I see it as self importance before lack of intelligence.

Wow.
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(04-12-2014 10:32 AM)The Father Wrote:  The men on this forum seem to be a smarter, tougher, red-pill subset of today's population, so please understand I'm not insulting any of you. Do YOU find that when you deal with today's late 20/early 30-somethings, it's like dealing with a BUNCH OF PUSSIES?

I hate my generation so much. I've used that word "pussy" to insult several of them (funny how I have so many former friends).

I've written about my time in law school experiencing much of the above. People would take it as a personal offense if you (meaning I) described the pope as a media whore.

Please continue to insult us. We need it.

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(02-11-2015 09:50 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  
Quote: On the mopping, dusting and sweeping issue, I see it as self importance before lack of intelligence.

Wow.

All the narcissism present today and even my example of people who are proven to know better, but still play dumb should be sufficient to give this theory some credibility.

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Well my millennial quit today by calling one of the other employees here and telling him he wasn't coming back..

I knew he was going to do this because I told him I was going to have him wash and wax an old classic car that's been sitting under trees for a year today. Fear of having to work was just too much for him.

He worked for a few weeks and only called in sick about 8 times. That's pretty good right?
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Currently working on a construction site. We have a "no swearing allowed" policy. Doesn't stop everyone including the site managers from effin their heads off.

Some old bastard who has a right mouth on him had a go at me and was surprised I came back with a bit of my own. If I had simply caved and went off with my tail tucked between my legs I'd of gotten more shit off the other guys.

I'm all for older men getting at younger guys but some can be miserable fucks. I've come very close to calling them this and telling them where to go. It can boil my blood when some trumped up old shit tries and speak down to me or does something that gets under my skin.

And as for millennials. Yes they are weak as shit. My job before this had two guys in their 20s moaning to my boss about some slight/subtle things and I was ordered to rise above it all because I was a supervisor. I didn't improve my behaviour and soon after I quit.

If you want to find pussies go into cinemas, catering places and retail. The management don't want argumentive, strong-willed people.
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(02-20-2015 02:57 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Well my millennial quit today by calling one of the other employees here and telling him he wasn't coming back..

I knew he was going to do this because I told him I was going to have him wash and wax an old classic car that's been sitting under trees for a year today. Fear of having to work was just too much for him.

He worked for a few weeks and only called in sick about 8 times. That's pretty good right?

Without telling us how much you were paying him, there's no way for us to judge if he was being lazy or not.

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(02-20-2015 04:22 PM)Samseau Wrote:  
(02-20-2015 02:57 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Well my millennial quit today by calling one of the other employees here and telling him he wasn't coming back..

I knew he was going to do this because I told him I was going to have him wash and wax an old classic car that's been sitting under trees for a year today. Fear of having to work was just too much for him.

He worked for a few weeks and only called in sick about 8 times. That's pretty good right?

Without telling us how much you were paying him, there's no way for us to judge if he was being lazy or not.
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(02-20-2015 04:22 PM)Samseau Wrote:  
(02-20-2015 02:57 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Well my millennial quit today by calling one of the other employees here and telling him he wasn't coming back..

I knew he was going to do this because I told him I was going to have him wash and wax an old classic car that's been sitting under trees for a year today. Fear of having to work was just too much for him.

He worked for a few weeks and only called in sick about 8 times. That's pretty good right?

Without telling us how much you were paying him, there's no way for us to judge if he was being lazy or not.

Is there any way he was trying to scam unemployment (Him quitting makes me think that he wasn't, although that may not have been his original plan)? At the firm where I used to work, before I went out on my own, we hired a girl to work as a secretary. She called in sick her first two or three days of work and showed up for work a total of no more than five days the entire time she worked for us (about one month). She should have really been fired after calling in sick the first day. After she was finally fired, she filed for unemployment. I think it was all a well thought out plan.
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(02-20-2015 04:33 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  
(02-20-2015 04:22 PM)Samseau Wrote:  
(02-20-2015 02:57 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Well my millennial quit today by calling one of the other employees here and telling him he wasn't coming back..

I knew he was going to do this because I told him I was going to have him wash and wax an old classic car that's been sitting under trees for a year today. Fear of having to work was just too much for him.

He worked for a few weeks and only called in sick about 8 times. That's pretty good right?

Without telling us how much you were paying him, there's no way for us to judge if he was being lazy or not.

Is there any way he was trying to scam unemployment (Him quitting makes me think that he wasn't, although that may not have been his original plan)? At the firm where I used to work, before I went out on my own, we hired a girl to work as a secretary. She called in sick her first two or three days of work and showed up for work a total of no more than five days the entire time she worked for us (about one month). She should have really been fired after calling in sick the first day. After she was finally fired, she filed for unemployment. I think it was all a well thought out plan.
Unemployment? What's that?
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The funniest thing about this thread is the other millennials sticking up for this kid and trying to imply there's another reason he's so tarded like he's not making enough or it's a self importance issue.

He asked to work here and learn/clean up we didn't ask him.
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(02-20-2015 02:57 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Well my millennial quit today by calling one of the other employees here and telling him he wasn't coming back..

He worked for a few weeks and only called in sick about 8 times.

Lolwtf

See that's what I'm talking about. Previously unheard of, unacceptable behaviors for a work situation. I would feel disrespected if it was me, but I haven't had to fire/let go/watch people quit under me before. Maybe that's why you don't seem upset or are you happy a problem is gone?

I saw you last reply above. I think you're confused about me bringing up the self-importance issue. I'm sure as hell not defending, but explaining the mindset behind the behaviors.

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Not getting paid enough is BS. If the pay isn't what you want, don't take the job. No one has a gun to your head. Whatever job it is you have, you should respect yourself and your employer enough to do your best at it. If he didn't want to wax el mech's car and thought he was too good for the job he should quit to his face and tell him he doesn't think this job is what he had in mind. But again, millenials aren't good at confrontation and open, honest communication. Perhaps by text, or emoji string?
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Mostly a repost, but...

Eighty percent of every generation is at best average and at worst total shit.

Millennials who are on top of things aren't easy to find because they're too busy busting ass trying to conquer this post-industrial dystopia.

The "outspoken" millennials are the average to subpar 80%. The publicize their own complaints and failings. The media laps this up and disseminates this to a wider audience because people enjoy pissing on other generations to make themselves feel good.

Gen X and Boomers were just as lazy as millennials (Gen X was, lest we forget, "the slacker generation"). You see it today in the workplace... Gen X and Boomer contractors / clients will schedule work around their free time and not the other way around like someone - irrespective of generation - who will do whatever it takes. They'll complain, lay blame, and be negative losers just like the millennials... except they won't do it on social media... (unless it's about politics) and won't get attention from the media (middle age people complaining doesn't generate any interest).

The older generations could live relatively well on a 9-5. Put Gen X or Boomers in today's economy with the current educational and media's narcissistic brainwashing and you'd have the same result. Flip it around and put Millennials in the Boomer era and it would be the same war protests, acid trips, race riots, and free love...

Also, El Mech's claims are invalid because the levels of sunburnt fuckery in Florida transcend generational, cultural, racial, religion, class, or any other way to conceivably categorize human beings.
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(02-20-2015 02:57 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I knew he was going to do this because I told him I was going to have him wash and wax an old classic car that's been sitting under trees for a year today. Fear of having to work was just too much for him.

It's his loss.

All he needed to do was wax the car, then paint a fence. After that, he would have gained El Mech as a mentor to teach him badass martial arts strikes.
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Quote:El Mech's claims are invalid because the levels of sunburnt fuckery in Florida transcend generational, cultural, racial, religion, class, or any other way to conceivably categorize human beings.

They're more than valid because if you're even considered stupid here then you're really fucking stupid.

Where do you live?
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I told my boss and choir master that they should both start calling me out on the spot when I make mistakes. How else am I going to get better if they never tell me I'm screwing up?

They both looked at me like I was crazy. Yet I insisted.

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(02-11-2015 12:52 PM)Chunnel Wrote:  Relevant: Everything Is Awesome! Why You Can’t Tell Employees They’re Doing a Bad Job

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Quote:Now, managers are expected to extol staffers’ strengths during reviews and check-ins, explaining how the person can use his or her talents to tackle aspects of the job that come less naturally.
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PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP, which hired nearly 9,000 employees and interns from universities last year, asks managers to hold “career outlook” discussions about employees’ futures at the firm, rather than reviews centered on where they dropped the ball over the past year.
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Jill Trotter, a staffing partner at the company, says the recent jolt of positivity has helped her “blossom” in her second career. Last year, her manager implemented a practice called “good news,” where team members inform each other of little wins. On a recent conference call, he called out a successful presentation Ms. Trotter had given and implored her to discuss exactly what went well and how the group can leverage those lessons going forward. When there’s something she needs to improve, her manager will use a phrase like, “This is another way that’s been successful.”
I get the stuff in red in my current job. 90% of staff get marked as "average" in their reviews, so how much of this feelgood shit changes anything? Almost none of it I think...

In my office I complained to the managers about a couple of women who never shut the fuck up and ruin people's concentration. The managers said that "they're young, they don't understand office culture". These bitches are aged between 23 to 29! The managers enable people by being too pussified to tell people to shut the fuck up.
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RE: The Butthurt Chronicles: Millenial edition
One thing I've been wondering about lately is this:
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How will this wanker ever get a decent job? Is he intending to work in coffee shops and record stores the rest of his life? You simply cannot get a high profile career and bring in the big money looking like that.

Also how do they afford their inner city apartments? Are they living 8 to a room or just leeching off mom and dad?
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RE: The Butthurt Chronicles: Millenial edition
(02-20-2015 09:55 PM)Daedmo Wrote:  One thing I've been wondering about lately is this:
[Image: Hipster-Beard-400x470.jpg]
How will this wanker ever get a decent job? Is he intending to work in coffee shops and record stores the rest of his life? You simply cannot get a high profile career and bring in the big money looking like that.

Also how do they afford their inner city apartments? Are they living 8 to a room or just leeching off mom and dad?

Where I live, this is getting more and more common. Employers can not be as picky when hiring because the candidate pool that isn't all tatted up is low and in high demand in other areas.
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RE: The Butthurt Chronicles: Millenial edition
He could be an entrepeneur....and tattoo artist.
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