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robreke 路 2015-01-26 21:34:00 路 #4451
(01-26-2015 09:31 PM)robreke Wrote:(01-26-2015 09:04 PM)Mister X Wrote: I didn't respond with anything funny or cocky. I feel like if I were to say "It's Mister X, that amazing blah blah blah dude," it would come off as try hard, or insecure that she didn't know who I was initially. So it's almost like I'm saying "what?! You don't know who I am? I'm a great guy!"
I said very plainly "Mister X from Saturday"
A big sticking point for me personally is anytime a girl throws either a potential shit test at me (if she did know who it was and was fucking with me) or if she's low interest - I don't let it rattle me.
Mister X from Saturday. That's who I am. She can take me or leave me.
^I could see this working just as easily.
I disagree that my suggestion is 'try hard'. I also will sometimes send them a text like this within an hour or so after initially getting the number. eg. "Hey, it's robreke the handsome guy from starbucks. Nice to chat with you today Stacey" etc. It sort of 'anchors' the recent reaction
I did the cocky comeback like I suggested myself with a similar "who's this" response that a girl sent and it worked.
Good luck.
Mister X 路 2015-01-26 21:57:00 路 #4452
(01-26-2015 09:34 PM)robreke Wrote:(01-26-2015 09:31 PM)robreke Wrote:(01-26-2015 09:04 PM)Mister X Wrote: I didn't respond with anything funny or cocky. I feel like if I were to say "It's Mister X, that amazing blah blah blah dude," it would come off as try hard, or insecure that she didn't know who I was initially. So it's almost like I'm saying "what?! You don't know who I am? I'm a great guy!"
I said very plainly "Mister X from Saturday"
A big sticking point for me personally is anytime a girl throws either a potential shit test at me (if she did know who it was and was fucking with me) or if she's low interest - I don't let it rattle me.
Mister X from Saturday. That's who I am. She can take me or leave me.
^I could see this working just as easily.
I disagree that my suggestion is 'try hard'. I also will sometimes send them a text like this within an hour or so after initially getting the number. eg. "Hey, it's robreke the handsome guy from starbucks. Nice to chat with you today Stacey" etc. It sort of 'anchors' the recent reaction
I did the cocky comeback like I suggested myself with a similar "who's this" response that a girl sent and it worked.
Good luck.
Right. Maybe "try hard" isn't the right word. But let's say she's in fact, not interested. Then it would go like this:
Her: Who is this?
Me: Mister X! That incredible stud from Saturday.
Her: Lol. Ohh
Convo DEAD
Whereas, if she's interested
Her: Who is this?
Me: Mister X from Saturday
Her: Ohhh hey! How's it going??
In other words...I don't want to give her anything entertaining only for her to give me an "lol" because I'll feel like that's a loss. Whereas if I just hit her up with direct game, and she's excited to hear from me, I'll know there's something there.
So, not try hard but...I don't want to..."try"...if that makes sense. Why give her anything silly and fun if she's asking me who it is. I'm not here to entertain her. I'm here to tell her who I am. Then depending on her reply, will decide next course of action. If it's positive, then I'll do the c/f.
Gorgiass 路 2015-01-26 23:52:00 路 #4453
You want that positive emotion right off the bat to break her out of her current state and make it more likely that she'll turn her attention from FB, IG, whatever for a moment to you and respond, which is why using callback humor/inside jokes like you say is a good thing. Robreke's lines were good for that too. Being a cocky mofo isn't tryhard, if you don't believe what you're selling she definitely isn't going to, and if you believe you have value and she forgot about meeting you, you should be incredulous.
I always text very soon after getting any number so haven't run into this, but have thought about it and if it came up decided I'd try something like,"It's Channing Tatum. We met [by the window booth in xx bar] Saturday. It's OK, I know you were pretty drunk." Stud actor to trigger a positive emotional reaction and get a smile because it's obviously not true, pretty drunk to put her on defense. Low response probability in any case but I think this would at least get you something.
I always text very soon after getting any number so haven't run into this, but have thought about it and if it came up decided I'd try something like,"It's Channing Tatum. We met [by the window booth in xx bar] Saturday. It's OK, I know you were pretty drunk." Stud actor to trigger a positive emotional reaction and get a smile because it's obviously not true, pretty drunk to put her on defense. Low response probability in any case but I think this would at least get you something.
LAX 路 2015-01-27 00:51:00 路 #4454
(01-26-2015 08:24 PM)Mister X Wrote: Met a girl over the weekend. Just got the "who is this" text. Fuck.
Anyone have any success stories of converting a who is this into a hook up? Or trash the number?
Usually open them with an inside joke or something from the night we met so they know it's me without even having to say my name, but for this, our interaction was so short, establishing rapport was not possible.
The dreaded 2 days later text. At least she responded - most chicks dont even respond. Your response has to be humourous & possibly related.
- "Your lucky day. You won" - makes no sense but gets her hamster spinning
- "The principal. You get detention for your behavour on X" - sexualize/flirty - what do you have to lose? she doesnt even remember
I liked the channing tatum idea- has to be higher value than her. In the future you should ensure she saves your name. I usually do something super douchey like "The sexiest dude at the bar" or some description next to your name
Mister X 路 2015-01-27 00:58:00 路 #4455
(01-26-2015 11:52 PM)Gorgiass Wrote: if you believe you have value and she forgot about meeting you, you should be incredulous.
That's the thing. So, for me, when I feel slighted, or insulted in any way (and it seems the older I get the easier I feel that way about women and their behavior) the default thought in my head before any logic kicks in is "lol are you fucking serious?"
So for this situation, I was so stunned that that was the response - I had to take a few minutes to process what I was gonna say.
I didn't feel very jokey at that time. I couldn't go from "lol are you fucking serious" to something clever and light. Best I could do was just give her my info and gauge the reaction. Happy to hear from me, cool. Indifferent? Peace.
Roardog 路 2015-01-27 03:12:00 路 #4456
A day for flakes it seems....
Was supposed to have a date with a girl from OKC tonight. She seemed like a good prospect, was keen over conversation in OKC. I got the number easily and then she was always quick to respond over text.
Set up a date for last week but she cancelled a couple of days out saying a job had come up (shes a freelance photographer) and could we reschedule. I rescheduled to tonight on the spot and she seemed really keen.
Then this morning I drop her a confirmation text about tonight and she writes back that she can't because she's just started seeing someone and she's sorry she didn't let me know earlier. #Next
I actually don't mind because I'm buggered after a big long weekend here in Australia and it's nice to get some rest but still...
Later on after the above I get a text from this 18 year old I had a date scheduled with on Thursday saying she "forgot" it's her own birthday party on Thursday and she can't make it any more. Seriously? Fucking 18 years olds.
At least she gave me plenty of notice and asked for a raincheck so I've got time to schedule a replacement.
Was supposed to have a date with a girl from OKC tonight. She seemed like a good prospect, was keen over conversation in OKC. I got the number easily and then she was always quick to respond over text.
Set up a date for last week but she cancelled a couple of days out saying a job had come up (shes a freelance photographer) and could we reschedule. I rescheduled to tonight on the spot and she seemed really keen.
Then this morning I drop her a confirmation text about tonight and she writes back that she can't because she's just started seeing someone and she's sorry she didn't let me know earlier. #Next
I actually don't mind because I'm buggered after a big long weekend here in Australia and it's nice to get some rest but still...
Later on after the above I get a text from this 18 year old I had a date scheduled with on Thursday saying she "forgot" it's her own birthday party on Thursday and she can't make it any more. Seriously? Fucking 18 years olds.
At least she gave me plenty of notice and asked for a raincheck so I've got time to schedule a replacement.
(01-27-2015 03:12 AM)Roardog Wrote: A day for flakes it seems....
Was supposed to have a date with a girl from OKC tonight. She seemed like a good prospect, was keen over conversation in OKC. I got the number easily and then she was always quick to respond over text.
Set up a date for last week but she cancelled a couple of days out saying a job had come up (shes a freelance photographer) and could we reschedule. I rescheduled to tonight on the spot and she seemed really keen.
Then this morning I drop her a confirmation text about tonight and she writes back that she can't because she's just started seeing someone and she's sorry she didn't let me know earlier. #Next
I actually don't mind because I'm buggered after a big long weekend here in Australia and it's nice to get some rest but still...
Later on after the above I get a text from this 18 year old I had a date scheduled with on Thursday saying she "forgot" it's her own birthday party on Thursday and she can't make it any more. Seriously? Fucking 18 years olds.
At least she gave me plenty of notice and asked for a raincheck so I've got time to schedule a replacement.
I went on a date with an OKC girl a while back. She seemed way more into me than I did her (frankly, she was boring). We would text each other every few days, but I decided to give it up.
I friendzoned her, texting her something like, "You're a cool person, but I'm not really looking for anything serious right now. Let's be friends tho." She responded, "Lol...umm, I have a bf now." This was a week after she texted me, "How are you?!
" and I gave some nonchalant answer.Maybe she had a bf, maybe she didn't. Don't care.
Roardog 路 2015-01-27 05:08:00 路 #4458
(01-27-2015 03:12 AM)Roardog Wrote: A day for flakes it seems....
Was supposed to have a date with a girl from OKC tonight. She seemed like a good prospect, was keen over conversation in OKC. I got the number easily and then she was always quick to respond over text.
Set up a date for last week but she cancelled a couple of days out saying a job had come up (shes a freelance photographer) and could we reschedule. I rescheduled to tonight on the spot and she seemed really keen.
Then this morning I drop her a confirmation text about tonight and she writes back that she can't because she's just started seeing someone and she's sorry she didn't let me know earlier. #Next
I actually don't mind because I'm buggered after a big long weekend here in Australia and it's nice to get some rest but still...
Later on after the above I get a text from this 18 year old I had a date scheduled with on Thursday saying she "forgot" it's her own birthday party on Thursday and she can't make it any more. Seriously? Fucking 18 years olds.
At least she gave me plenty of notice and asked for a raincheck so I've got time to schedule a replacement.
God damn, it be raining flakes! I'm 0/3.
Sent a confirmation text to my date for tomorrow night and she said she'd made other plans because I didn't confirm. Bitch I'm the one who proposed Wednesday! Why would I confirm your confirmation of my proposal!?
kosko 路 2015-01-27 20:07:00 路 #4459
90% of the girls I have gamed the past few days have been "lesbians". This must be a new trend in Toronto, but there is a catch.... Most have some female partner but can't give up dick. So they are "still open to seeing men". I have no idea what this means. Maybe the sisterhood pack is back like how concubines used to comfort each other while just dealing with freewheeling dick all the time.
Nonethelss for me out on my own conquests I had two girls in my frame who...
Were both lesbians
Who both were saying each other
Who both were in open relationships
But only ONE was "single"
???? Yeah I'm still confused too.
When I realized this I figured out I was swooping the wrong one. The one that wasn't "single". I've had bad habits of late of flag chasing versus chasing more sure bangs. I knew the other girl wanted me more but since I was entertaining both I spent more time talking to the other to defuse her. Plus she was Persian and I still need to fuck a Persian girl so I went for the flag chance more then the more realistic chance for a bang.
So next, I quickly had to flip and spin it to get grounds on her friend who was single (sorta). I was able to barely salvage it but since I blew most of my time with the other her Persian friend from the start. I only made plans and exchange contacts but it seemed were on the same page. So things should line up for that prospect.
You need Advils to game women in this city sometimes. I shouldn't have to solve complex shit like that in my head when I just want to make some conversation and maybe try to fuck.
I remember a few months back a girl I was seeing was " seeing" her female roommate. She didn't call her self a lesbo, just that she likes girls. I said "you know they call those types attention whores" and she flipped lol.
Back to my gaming though. Mind you that was the better option I noted above over a "lesbian" Jewish chick that I met who also "mostly sees women" but again can't drop the dick. She was cool and I basically talked her up into being a sniper for me and attempting to set up a threesome. I lost track of her in the night but she did manage to find two girls like a dog bringing back a toy. The only issue was really I did not think she was all that hot so I got distracted with other prospects (she was far from ugly it she was 2 years older then me, lanky, tall, shapeless). She would of been cool to exchange numbers with but I didn't even care enough to ask. She also thought I was way older then my age which pissed me off "Oh I thought you were near 33". Damn actually maybe I should of swooped her contact. I think threesomes are overrated (once you partake in a few of them the novelty goes away quickly) but the act of setting one up still makes me feel like a boss.
Toronto Chronicles:
It's getting difficult for me to try and find a niche to exploit. Its cold so I don't do night game as much, maybe two nights a month, swinger's club two other nights, so four-six max nights a month total for game which is barley much. Day game is something I haven't been able to hack. Plus minus alcahol many Toronto women can't even string along sentences to people they are so bad at socializing outside of their phone environments.
Online game? Dead end. As a brother you don't want single mothers and fattys messaging you. Online surpress the value of a black man. You think you can only get fat white girls as that's who messages you. Tinder. Only my sexualized profile which leaves nothing hidden of my intentions gets traction. The girls get cold feet tho as its to real for thier hamsters. One match I did get who I genuinely wanted to meet, and her likewise kept getting cold feet. Tried to cool it down the best I could but she wouldn't give up that number. We finally tried to make plans but she likely went on a Tinder date prior to mind, did not like it (dude was a loser, or pump and dump) and deleted the app. That was my last strike for Tinder. The app is garbage from when I first used it.
The need for change:
I for sure need to tweak and evovle. I am for sure starting to 'feel' much older these days. As in first time ever I been self-conscious of my age in a setting. So the sloppy venues I used to hit up, things have to change in how I dress and approach those situations. Another reality is that venues in Toronto are just not that good. Many places have closed. Andy's Pool Hall was a game hall for me with its legendary unisex bathrooms which I would routinely get with girls in, now closed. The Guvernment just recently closed also, many old standard venues I remember from my first time visiting here are either dead or closed. Not much from the "old" Toronto I remember exists and I have not even been here that long. The change in this city is fast, but not for the better. Usually change brings more maturity in the scene, more spots that offer quality but in Toronto that is not the case yet.
The best spot for me to party with hot scenester sluts is a bar in hipsterland (Dundas Ossington) but its routinely filled with gay black dudes. The music is good, the women are hot, but I am faced with having to look over my shoulder so that Bohemia Blue Esq. and his crew of homos don't try and grab at me. To much stress for a night out but the bar is literally a 5 min walk from my house and it's a fly net for scenester sluts who like black men.
Next thing is that living in Hipsterland has made me hate hipsters even more. The area is wack and boring. Everything is about paying money for shit to do. The area is gentrifying with condos being worked on. The bars are all literally 5-10mins away by foot and all are wack most nights. They just like to sit around and talk about dumb shit or smoke. I see almost all mix-set groups. Men like to hang out with women in Toronto versus me who has sworn off having women as friends. You can't even engage these people because all the dudes know what is going down and will cook block and not be receptive to a friendly convo. Even if it's daytime and I am not trying to game just having having convos with these groups makes you think your a terrorist they are so odd and cold.
Last thing is that steady travel is needed. This city grates a man like a block of cheese. I want to go to NYC in the spring just for a kick in nuts and some sensory stimulation. I still grin from the last time I was there. I didn't get laid the last time I was in NYC but the rush of pure gaming with women who were open and down is a rush way better then anything Toronto offers.
But I've likley reached my end time in this city. Even back home for the holidays my two sisters could see I was "over" Toronto. It might just be a seasonal thing but how good is a city that you can only enjoy 4-8 weeks out of the year. July and August are the only good months here and I love being in Toronto during those few weeks. Aside from that its a wasteland of rain, snark, grey concrete, and losers.
This was very much a rant in classic kosko fashion. Mostly a way to reflect outwards my views and provide a paper trail of the need for me to change and grow. I need to evolve but I would rather not 'adapt' and plug myself further into this city. One fault I can say is that I have never put down roots here. Toronto has never felt like home to me and I have always had a suitcase packed just in case I need to bounce. A shift has to be made for me to chart a escape plan. I have two years to get a solid plan in place for the next chapter.
Nonethelss for me out on my own conquests I had two girls in my frame who...
Were both lesbians
Who both were saying each other
Who both were in open relationships
But only ONE was "single"
???? Yeah I'm still confused too.
When I realized this I figured out I was swooping the wrong one. The one that wasn't "single". I've had bad habits of late of flag chasing versus chasing more sure bangs. I knew the other girl wanted me more but since I was entertaining both I spent more time talking to the other to defuse her. Plus she was Persian and I still need to fuck a Persian girl so I went for the flag chance more then the more realistic chance for a bang.
So next, I quickly had to flip and spin it to get grounds on her friend who was single (sorta). I was able to barely salvage it but since I blew most of my time with the other her Persian friend from the start. I only made plans and exchange contacts but it seemed were on the same page. So things should line up for that prospect.
You need Advils to game women in this city sometimes. I shouldn't have to solve complex shit like that in my head when I just want to make some conversation and maybe try to fuck.
I remember a few months back a girl I was seeing was " seeing" her female roommate. She didn't call her self a lesbo, just that she likes girls. I said "you know they call those types attention whores" and she flipped lol.
Back to my gaming though. Mind you that was the better option I noted above over a "lesbian" Jewish chick that I met who also "mostly sees women" but again can't drop the dick. She was cool and I basically talked her up into being a sniper for me and attempting to set up a threesome. I lost track of her in the night but she did manage to find two girls like a dog bringing back a toy. The only issue was really I did not think she was all that hot so I got distracted with other prospects (she was far from ugly it she was 2 years older then me, lanky, tall, shapeless). She would of been cool to exchange numbers with but I didn't even care enough to ask. She also thought I was way older then my age which pissed me off "Oh I thought you were near 33". Damn actually maybe I should of swooped her contact. I think threesomes are overrated (once you partake in a few of them the novelty goes away quickly) but the act of setting one up still makes me feel like a boss.
Toronto Chronicles:
It's getting difficult for me to try and find a niche to exploit. Its cold so I don't do night game as much, maybe two nights a month, swinger's club two other nights, so four-six max nights a month total for game which is barley much. Day game is something I haven't been able to hack. Plus minus alcahol many Toronto women can't even string along sentences to people they are so bad at socializing outside of their phone environments.
Online game? Dead end. As a brother you don't want single mothers and fattys messaging you. Online surpress the value of a black man. You think you can only get fat white girls as that's who messages you. Tinder. Only my sexualized profile which leaves nothing hidden of my intentions gets traction. The girls get cold feet tho as its to real for thier hamsters. One match I did get who I genuinely wanted to meet, and her likewise kept getting cold feet. Tried to cool it down the best I could but she wouldn't give up that number. We finally tried to make plans but she likely went on a Tinder date prior to mind, did not like it (dude was a loser, or pump and dump) and deleted the app. That was my last strike for Tinder. The app is garbage from when I first used it.
The need for change:
I for sure need to tweak and evovle. I am for sure starting to 'feel' much older these days. As in first time ever I been self-conscious of my age in a setting. So the sloppy venues I used to hit up, things have to change in how I dress and approach those situations. Another reality is that venues in Toronto are just not that good. Many places have closed. Andy's Pool Hall was a game hall for me with its legendary unisex bathrooms which I would routinely get with girls in, now closed. The Guvernment just recently closed also, many old standard venues I remember from my first time visiting here are either dead or closed. Not much from the "old" Toronto I remember exists and I have not even been here that long. The change in this city is fast, but not for the better. Usually change brings more maturity in the scene, more spots that offer quality but in Toronto that is not the case yet.
The best spot for me to party with hot scenester sluts is a bar in hipsterland (Dundas Ossington) but its routinely filled with gay black dudes. The music is good, the women are hot, but I am faced with having to look over my shoulder so that Bohemia Blue Esq. and his crew of homos don't try and grab at me. To much stress for a night out but the bar is literally a 5 min walk from my house and it's a fly net for scenester sluts who like black men.
Next thing is that living in Hipsterland has made me hate hipsters even more. The area is wack and boring. Everything is about paying money for shit to do. The area is gentrifying with condos being worked on. The bars are all literally 5-10mins away by foot and all are wack most nights. They just like to sit around and talk about dumb shit or smoke. I see almost all mix-set groups. Men like to hang out with women in Toronto versus me who has sworn off having women as friends. You can't even engage these people because all the dudes know what is going down and will cook block and not be receptive to a friendly convo. Even if it's daytime and I am not trying to game just having having convos with these groups makes you think your a terrorist they are so odd and cold.
Last thing is that steady travel is needed. This city grates a man like a block of cheese. I want to go to NYC in the spring just for a kick in nuts and some sensory stimulation. I still grin from the last time I was there. I didn't get laid the last time I was in NYC but the rush of pure gaming with women who were open and down is a rush way better then anything Toronto offers.
But I've likley reached my end time in this city. Even back home for the holidays my two sisters could see I was "over" Toronto. It might just be a seasonal thing but how good is a city that you can only enjoy 4-8 weeks out of the year. July and August are the only good months here and I love being in Toronto during those few weeks. Aside from that its a wasteland of rain, snark, grey concrete, and losers.
This was very much a rant in classic kosko fashion. Mostly a way to reflect outwards my views and provide a paper trail of the need for me to change and grow. I need to evolve but I would rather not 'adapt' and plug myself further into this city. One fault I can say is that I have never put down roots here. Toronto has never felt like home to me and I have always had a suitcase packed just in case I need to bounce. A shift has to be made for me to chart a escape plan. I have two years to get a solid plan in place for the next chapter.
kaotic 路 2015-01-28 02:54:00 路 #4460
Man tonight felt off.
This mom wanted to meet up at a bar, she calls me, sounds all drunk and ratchet like, she's with her friend and some dude, basically she wants to use me as her fill in date. I laughed and let that one simmer, FUCK THAT.
Setup what I thought was a HB 8.5 19 year old tinder blonde.
I don't know if it was the pre workout leftover from the gym but I felt a bit nervous and edgy, it could've been the fact I thought she was smoking hot.
She drove about 30-45 mins to hangout, shows up at the coffee place then I walk up.
She isn't cute as her pics and I drop her to a 7.5, she's taller than me, she did have this cute v top that dropped way below her bra, definitely turned on.
It just seemed off from the start, we grab coffee but when we go to pay she says "we can pay separate" (might of been a negative 1).
We sit on 2 lounge chairs and talk a bit, I'm rambling game, telling her some funny stories, she answers my questions, we talk about where I've traveled, she hasn't traveled much.
She smiled and laugh, we talked about her fake ID, she was tired, I said dude fuck the coffee let's grab a drink, she said no because she was paranoid about losing it.
I bounce us outside, suggested we take my car to check out this bad ass fountain a shopping center over, she agreed and sat in my car.
Park and walk across to the fountain, check out some of the local animals sipping our coffee. We chat a bit more talking about our upbringing it's getting cold, get back in my car.
I keep rambling cause I'm not getting a good read, even as her legs are a bit pointed towards me in the car and she's playing with her hair. She's got decent eye contact.
We talk about movies and our love for a certain writer, she hasn't seen one of their movies, I drop some bait saying "dude we should totally watch it right now ! i can't believe you haven't seen it" she replies with "maybe next time"
Can't tell if she's super shy or not coming out of her shell at all. I ask her how many people she's met, she said 3 (read: 9) said she dated 2 of them (read: she probably got banged by at least 4). I told her I met only 2 and one was whatever, the other was horrible, told her a funny date story.
We bounce the car back to her car, I love her car and she gives me a ride in it we talk a bit more, I'm being more confident and cocky.
She parks by my car, talks about being close to her father, I compliment that and dig that she's a daddy's girl.
I can tell this is going nowhere since she usually goes to bed early, I'm not getting the bang at this point.
So I call it a night give her a hug, she moves her face to the side, I forgot what I said but right after I said:
"You know what? Fuck it" I lean in and kiss her, she was definitely surprised I think she said "huh?" or "what are you doing" she sort scared smiles ? I grab her from the side of her head bring her in for a kiss, she didn't stop me and we kissed, didn't make out. I bounced out the car immediately after.
If you can't go for the bang, ALWAYS go for the fucking kiss dude.
I had to at least fucking do something to get a reaction, bring it to rejection or some kind of interest in me.
I ended up texting the mom telling her asking her how third wheels going, she replies "wtf shiity fuck u" I say "oh stfu where you at ? let's grab a drink. I was saying goodbye to my friend whose moving" then "call me brat" (I should've just left it at her response but I wanted to make for a whatever date)
So here I am, I'm home, empty handed feeling a bit defeated.
I'm going to let the girl simmer, make the the mom feel like shit. I'd say in 2 days.
I've got another kind of tommboyish girl lined up tommorow, thursday is my one year with my main (probably drink and get massages), friday got a show with friends.
Saturday should be interesting:
This pretty cute mom, she's 34, really into me. She flaked this weekend (I had better plans anyways) and I used the "am I wasting your time" text, she wrote me a paragraph of how it was rude that I wasn't coming to get her, she didn't feel comfy driving and hour to me, etc etc."
I called her out saying "I dig you being honest, but you didn't counter, I took the lead. I'm definitely not going over to a person who I haven't met house and picking you up, but I'm in you area alot, we can meet at a local bar near you"
I got a smiley face and an offer for saturday night, I salvaged this, now it's don't fuck up game from here. Sunday I got off, hoping I can drink and get the bang at her place
Still disappointed in the girl tonight she was cute, would love to bang her. I'm definitely going to follow up thursday.
Such is life, live and learn, charge it to the game.
Now to respond to the PM's on here !
This mom wanted to meet up at a bar, she calls me, sounds all drunk and ratchet like, she's with her friend and some dude, basically she wants to use me as her fill in date. I laughed and let that one simmer, FUCK THAT.
Setup what I thought was a HB 8.5 19 year old tinder blonde.
I don't know if it was the pre workout leftover from the gym but I felt a bit nervous and edgy, it could've been the fact I thought she was smoking hot.
She drove about 30-45 mins to hangout, shows up at the coffee place then I walk up.
She isn't cute as her pics and I drop her to a 7.5, she's taller than me, she did have this cute v top that dropped way below her bra, definitely turned on.
It just seemed off from the start, we grab coffee but when we go to pay she says "we can pay separate" (might of been a negative 1).
We sit on 2 lounge chairs and talk a bit, I'm rambling game, telling her some funny stories, she answers my questions, we talk about where I've traveled, she hasn't traveled much.
She smiled and laugh, we talked about her fake ID, she was tired, I said dude fuck the coffee let's grab a drink, she said no because she was paranoid about losing it.
I bounce us outside, suggested we take my car to check out this bad ass fountain a shopping center over, she agreed and sat in my car.
Park and walk across to the fountain, check out some of the local animals sipping our coffee. We chat a bit more talking about our upbringing it's getting cold, get back in my car.
I keep rambling cause I'm not getting a good read, even as her legs are a bit pointed towards me in the car and she's playing with her hair. She's got decent eye contact.
We talk about movies and our love for a certain writer, she hasn't seen one of their movies, I drop some bait saying "dude we should totally watch it right now ! i can't believe you haven't seen it" she replies with "maybe next time"
Can't tell if she's super shy or not coming out of her shell at all. I ask her how many people she's met, she said 3 (read: 9) said she dated 2 of them (read: she probably got banged by at least 4). I told her I met only 2 and one was whatever, the other was horrible, told her a funny date story.
We bounce the car back to her car, I love her car and she gives me a ride in it we talk a bit more, I'm being more confident and cocky.
She parks by my car, talks about being close to her father, I compliment that and dig that she's a daddy's girl.
I can tell this is going nowhere since she usually goes to bed early, I'm not getting the bang at this point.
So I call it a night give her a hug, she moves her face to the side, I forgot what I said but right after I said:
"You know what? Fuck it" I lean in and kiss her, she was definitely surprised I think she said "huh?" or "what are you doing" she sort scared smiles ? I grab her from the side of her head bring her in for a kiss, she didn't stop me and we kissed, didn't make out. I bounced out the car immediately after.
If you can't go for the bang, ALWAYS go for the fucking kiss dude.
I had to at least fucking do something to get a reaction, bring it to rejection or some kind of interest in me.
I ended up texting the mom telling her asking her how third wheels going, she replies "wtf shiity fuck u" I say "oh stfu where you at ? let's grab a drink. I was saying goodbye to my friend whose moving" then "call me brat" (I should've just left it at her response but I wanted to make for a whatever date)
So here I am, I'm home, empty handed feeling a bit defeated.
I'm going to let the girl simmer, make the the mom feel like shit. I'd say in 2 days.
I've got another kind of tommboyish girl lined up tommorow, thursday is my one year with my main (probably drink and get massages), friday got a show with friends.
Saturday should be interesting:
This pretty cute mom, she's 34, really into me. She flaked this weekend (I had better plans anyways) and I used the "am I wasting your time" text, she wrote me a paragraph of how it was rude that I wasn't coming to get her, she didn't feel comfy driving and hour to me, etc etc."
I called her out saying "I dig you being honest, but you didn't counter, I took the lead. I'm definitely not going over to a person who I haven't met house and picking you up, but I'm in you area alot, we can meet at a local bar near you"
I got a smiley face and an offer for saturday night, I salvaged this, now it's don't fuck up game from here. Sunday I got off, hoping I can drink and get the bang at her place
Still disappointed in the girl tonight she was cute, would love to bang her. I'm definitely going to follow up thursday.
Such is life, live and learn, charge it to the game.
Now to respond to the PM's on here !
Roardog 路 2015-01-28 04:51:00 路 #4461
I've read a lot of your date stories Kaotic and I don't doubt your success, but do you ever think you spend too long on dates before going for the escalation or trying to bounce to yours?
From your stories it sounds like your dates go for a long time and you bounce from venue to venue to venue. I know that venue changes work well for building comfort/familiarity but you seem to do a lot. I'm just curious as to why you do it. Do you need that time to build enough comfort?
When I go on a date with a girl, especially a first date, it usually only goes for a couple of hours (unless it turns into a bang) and it will be at between 1 and 3 venues.
From your stories it sounds like your dates go for a long time and you bounce from venue to venue to venue. I know that venue changes work well for building comfort/familiarity but you seem to do a lot. I'm just curious as to why you do it. Do you need that time to build enough comfort?
When I go on a date with a girl, especially a first date, it usually only goes for a couple of hours (unless it turns into a bang) and it will be at between 1 and 3 venues.
kaotic 路 2015-01-28 12:14:00 路 #4462
(01-28-2015 04:51 AM)Roardog Wrote: I've read a lot of your date stories Kaotic and I don't doubt your success, but do you ever think you spend too long on dates before going for the escalation or trying to bounce to yours?
From your stories it sounds like your dates go for a long time and you bounce from venue to venue to venue. I know that venue changes work well for building comfort/familiarity but you seem to do a lot. I'm just curious as to why you do it. Do you need that time to build enough comfort?
When I go on a date with a girl, especially a first date, it usually only goes for a couple of hours (unless it turns into a bang) and it will be at between 1 and 3 venues.
Honestly we literally spent an hour and a half together, I bounced fast, venue changes resets her frame of mind, if I think the date might be going whatever, I'll change venues asap because it'll make things better.
Actually I'd say my bangs take place after only 1 or 2 venues and an hour or so of convo and drinking.
Our text convos were pretty funny and on point, she instantly responded also, I think she just might be socially awkward when it comes to real face to face conversation, I've noticed alot of young girls are like this.
Remember we got coffee, not booze. Hard to drink with a 19 year old, she wasn't reading cold but she sure wasn't reading hot, she definitely was shyer than she claimed.
I think she felt comfortable with me enough to let me drive her and let me in her car and guide the date without questioning things BUT not comfortable to come over to my house.
This was one my tougher dates, usually I can read good, but this one wasn't giving many cues and IOI's.
We talked about how we both hate dinner dates, how they're cliche, she said "and then you feel trapped and can't leave blah blah" I dropped a line saying "I'm surprised I haven't left yet"
Not at any time did she say she was tired or it was getting late, that's a good thing.
I even called her an old granny because she goes to bed so early and she said "well it's late but doesn't mean I have to go to bed" another good sign.
Honestly man this just felt like a weird date, also the fact I was a bit disappointed in her looks also.
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(01-25-2015 08:33 PM)Mister X Wrote:(01-25-2015 06:52 PM)olspice1588 Wrote: UPDATE #1: Read the zero bangs thread and went for the very last option. Will report how she responds. Never been this ballsy before, but fortune favors the bold.
Update #2: She responded an hour later, "I don't have a lot of work at my place but wine is always good." Off I go Thursday
Update #3: Texted her a basic "8:00 tonight." Hadn't arranged the time during our Monday convo. Will NOT remessage her if doesn't respond. Should I just delete her number if I hypothetically don't hear back from her?
Update #4: We were supposed to hang out Thursday, and she responding hours later, apologizing that she forgot her friend had a going away party that night. She wanted to reschedule for the weekend.
I brought over wine, and she exuberantly exclaimed, "So what do you wanna do tonight [including going out]?!" I gave a wishy washy answer cuz I myself had not thought it out. We started drinking wine on her balcony, but it has been a while since I have been in the game. I was too pussy to have kino. We talked for 10 minutes but her roommate came back. She and the dog joined us, so I spent the rest of the time chatting with her and her roommate. Fun time, but I didn't know how to isolate. The roommate mentioned that my girl had a tendency to walk around naked. My chick got a little excited when I mentioned I had an art friend who now was designing sex toys with her NYU education.
Anyway, the girl forgot she might have made plans with friends afterwards and was gonna hang with them. She asked me to let her know what I would be doing and meet up. She hugged me when we parted outside and thanked me for coming.
I texted her later that I was going to some lounge but "you and i should meet up afterwards" (Maybe that was too direct?). Did not actually have plans but did NOT want to tag along with her friends. Silence but she gave her location later when I texted her again.
Overall, I got mixed signals (she mentioned a few times how she is shy around people. She was talkative around me though).
Think I should hit her up in a week or two? I'd rather text "DTF?" instead of hanging out and not knowing her intentions. Might assume this fizzled out.
Man, you have got to take those opportunities to get a sexually charged conversation going when they bring it up first. Walk around naked? You should have explored that conversation. Interest in the making of sex toys? Ask her why she's so curious. Those are fast balls down the plate man. You have to swing at those.
Still though, I think she's into you but probably thinks you're a little shy. Get her out again and next time be more direct/sexual. That's it really.
Perhaps, so I texted her "Hey, cute face" last night (flirty but not too direct, right?).
Haven't heard back but will text her in two weeks. If that doesn't work, I will assume it went dry.
Sidenote Got the number from a lawyer last night, too. Weird lady, so I posted about her in the approach thread.
kaotic 路 2015-01-28 15:48:00 路 #4465
(01-28-2015 03:44 PM)olspice1588 Wrote: Perhaps, so I texted her "Hey, cute face" last night (flirty but not too direct, right?).
Haven't heard back but will text her in two weeks. If that doesn't work, I will assume it went dry.
Sidenote Got the number from a lawyer last night, too. Weird lady, so I posted about her in the approach thread.
I would of called her cut face or cute, maybe trouble maker, maybe something about her walking around nude.
Why 2 weeks ? By that time, don't you think she'll long forgotten about you ?
(01-28-2015 03:48 PM)kaotic Wrote:(01-28-2015 03:44 PM)olspice1588 Wrote: Perhaps, so I texted her "Hey, cute face" last night (flirty but not too direct, right?).
Haven't heard back but will text her in two weeks. If that doesn't work, I will assume it went dry.
Sidenote Got the number from a lawyer last night, too. Weird lady, so I posted about her in the approach thread.
I would of called her cut face or cute, maybe trouble maker, maybe something about her walking around nude.
Why 2 weeks ? By that time, don't you think she'll long forgotten about you ?
I did just hang out at her place this weekend, so I don't wanna look too eager (though I'd handcuff her anyday).
Haha, damn, I should've joked about her walking around naked. "So...your roomie said you walk around naked?"
Roardog 路 2015-01-29 17:27:00 路 #4467
Seriously nothing went right for me this week with the girls.
All 3 of the dates I had originally lined up flaked (at least with advance notice). Then the backup I scheduled for Thursday night flaked.
Finally I ended up going around to the place of a girl I SNL'd the other weekend and all we ended up doing was drink wine and watch tennis! I thought she was DTF but when I tried to escalate to get the bang she wasn't having it. I got there at 10pm at night, wtf you think I'm here for girl?
At least I'm seeing one of my regular plates tonight so that's a guaranteed good bang.
Hopefully next week is an improvement as it's the last week I have the place to myself and I don't feel I've taken enough advantage of that yet.
All 3 of the dates I had originally lined up flaked (at least with advance notice). Then the backup I scheduled for Thursday night flaked.
Finally I ended up going around to the place of a girl I SNL'd the other weekend and all we ended up doing was drink wine and watch tennis! I thought she was DTF but when I tried to escalate to get the bang she wasn't having it. I got there at 10pm at night, wtf you think I'm here for girl?
At least I'm seeing one of my regular plates tonight so that's a guaranteed good bang.
Hopefully next week is an improvement as it's the last week I have the place to myself and I don't feel I've taken enough advantage of that yet.
Valhalla 路 2015-01-29 19:54:00 路 #4468
I swear I can feel the thirst and desperation in women as Valentine's Day comes closer.
Agreddor 路 2015-01-29 23:02:00 路 #4469
Going clubbing tonight. Haven't gone forever any last minute input would be appreciated
kaotic 路 2015-01-30 14:17:00 路 #4470
Followed up with the Tinder girl from above, everything seems normal with our texts, I really think she's just socially awkward or was very shy, I'm not gonna ask her to hangout until this sunday.
Had another date weds night and it went solid:
23 year old OKC Girl, I couldn't number close her, so we chatted on snapchat, I could tell something bad had happened online to her
She rides streetbikes, doesn't really dress that feminine, so I had nothing invested in her.
We chat on snap for awhile then we plan on meeting weds night
She rides her bike to the bar, THEN tells me she's there, and I'm barely out of the shower at this point.
I eat quick then get dressed.
Show up she's alone at the bar with her helmet on the table.
She's a solid 8.5 body and a 7.5 face, hardly any make up, just eyeliner and eye shadow. She does have some acne, but these bright green eyes.
She already had a beer when I greeted her and I grabbed one.
We start talking and we hit it off pretty good, she's sarcastic and as perverted as I am, we really vibed off eachother well.
She has her phone out for a bit and texting and I call her on it, she apologizes and says she has 2 guy friends (read: beta orbiters) who check in on her to see if the dates going ok.
I roll my eyes in my head thinking great it's going to be one of those dates, I tell her "I swear I'm going to chuck that phone out to the patio" -smirk-
She laughs and says "no we're making plans for X city and my friends are very protective of me" i reply "that shit can wait, my eyes are over here, we're already have fun, your friends don't have to worry" -laughs-
I keep giving her shit once in awhile for it, we kept talking got to know her, her upbringing.
A big red flag were the dudes who are her "best friends" one lives with her, the other is local, i'm just laughing at all this. These orbiters are wishing she'd get with them, yet here she is flirting with me.
Then this cute 7 walks up to me and says hi, she's my boy's lady. My date turns her head away and she has a quick convo with me then bounces, I carry on like nothing happened.
We chat about some other bullshit, then the bar stage music stopped and a guy walked up with a mic.....a fucking practice stand up comedy show.
The first guy was pretty cool, he just asked the small crowd some questions, I knew his set was closing, so I had us kills our drinks and close out.
She follows me on her bike to the next venue, I get a booth in the bar so she sits next to me and we order drinks. I almost got AMOG'd by our fucking server to, the dude had a mohawk, and she complimented it and they started talking, so I cut in and tell him what I want to drink.
I ask what her bday because her ID is out. We have the SAME fucking birthday !
Chick is still on her phone bit by bit, apparently her guys friends are following her every move on facebook. She mentions how one was jealous of another guy because of the rides they were going on
I said "for guys to stalk you and be jealous that shows alot of insecurity and weakness" hamster reply, "but they're my friends so they understand"
A buddy of mine walks by and shakes my hand, my date says "you just know everyone don't you"
I quote Anchorman, " I don't know how to put this, but I'm kind of a big deal, people know me"
We talk about red pill traits
We get into deeper shit and I call her on how she acts and is, telling her I'm a good reader of people:
"You had some deep shit happen to you in your teens, you had a recent bad relationship or stalker, since you didnt give me your number, you seem very bubbly, but there's a somewhat nice, innocent, sweet side to you, but I mean LITTLE"
She her eyes locked dead on me and she was silent for a second and laughed, "you're totally right"
She drops a hint that she told everyone she was going on a date and they told her to dress up, she wore a cut shirt with great side boob action and some nice tight dark jeans.
She told me how she got hit twice in a 5 year relationship, then dated a dude for a week, and then tracked her house down from her license plates and slammed on her her door at 3am, kept stalking her. She said hardly anyone has her number (except beta orbiters).
Apparently she was so traumatized a beta friend slept over a few days a week and she gets extreme anxiety still.
Took it with a grain of salt, 3 sides to every story.
I ask her tats and shows her huge side piece off, man her body is banging, I grab her hip, and rub her tat. Suggest she needs to get it retouched and filled in.
She shows her shoulder on also, alot of side boob action going on.
We keep talking about that subject, then sports came up, this girl has a obsessive fascination with a certain player in the super bowl. It was kind of annoying but I played it cool, we keep chatting, then I cut the night off, I needed to get to bed.
We walk out towards her bike and my car and she says "you don't have to walk me to my bike lol" I said "I wasn't planning on it" and she laughs.
I give her a hug, pull back look at her and start making out with her, she was pretty much waiting for it.
Her lips were really soft and she kissed pretty decent.
I pull away and she says call me when you get home "i live right up the street lol" I tell her to text me when she's home.
She didn't text me Thursday morning and I didn't text her all day.
I just followed up with her with a funny pic saying I got food poisoning the other day and asked if she got it.
She said "yeah"
I told her I don't suggest she try that and how her day was going ?
Of course no response. I'm following up one more time, I don't have time for this shit.
Or perhaps her "guy friends" go super jealous and got into her head.
Either way hope you guys got some insight.
TL;DR Tomboy Girl>Lots of "guy friends">Not a good mix in a girl.
Honestly, this was probably a waste of time.
Had another date weds night and it went solid:
23 year old OKC Girl, I couldn't number close her, so we chatted on snapchat, I could tell something bad had happened online to her
She rides streetbikes, doesn't really dress that feminine, so I had nothing invested in her.
We chat on snap for awhile then we plan on meeting weds night
She rides her bike to the bar, THEN tells me she's there, and I'm barely out of the shower at this point.
I eat quick then get dressed.
Show up she's alone at the bar with her helmet on the table.
She's a solid 8.5 body and a 7.5 face, hardly any make up, just eyeliner and eye shadow. She does have some acne, but these bright green eyes.
She already had a beer when I greeted her and I grabbed one.
We start talking and we hit it off pretty good, she's sarcastic and as perverted as I am, we really vibed off eachother well.
She has her phone out for a bit and texting and I call her on it, she apologizes and says she has 2 guy friends (read: beta orbiters) who check in on her to see if the dates going ok.
I roll my eyes in my head thinking great it's going to be one of those dates, I tell her "I swear I'm going to chuck that phone out to the patio" -smirk-
She laughs and says "no we're making plans for X city and my friends are very protective of me" i reply "that shit can wait, my eyes are over here, we're already have fun, your friends don't have to worry" -laughs-
I keep giving her shit once in awhile for it, we kept talking got to know her, her upbringing.
A big red flag were the dudes who are her "best friends" one lives with her, the other is local, i'm just laughing at all this. These orbiters are wishing she'd get with them, yet here she is flirting with me.
Then this cute 7 walks up to me and says hi, she's my boy's lady. My date turns her head away and she has a quick convo with me then bounces, I carry on like nothing happened.
We chat about some other bullshit, then the bar stage music stopped and a guy walked up with a mic.....a fucking practice stand up comedy show.
The first guy was pretty cool, he just asked the small crowd some questions, I knew his set was closing, so I had us kills our drinks and close out.
She follows me on her bike to the next venue, I get a booth in the bar so she sits next to me and we order drinks. I almost got AMOG'd by our fucking server to, the dude had a mohawk, and she complimented it and they started talking, so I cut in and tell him what I want to drink.
I ask what her bday because her ID is out. We have the SAME fucking birthday !
Chick is still on her phone bit by bit, apparently her guys friends are following her every move on facebook. She mentions how one was jealous of another guy because of the rides they were going on
I said "for guys to stalk you and be jealous that shows alot of insecurity and weakness" hamster reply, "but they're my friends so they understand"
A buddy of mine walks by and shakes my hand, my date says "you just know everyone don't you"
I quote Anchorman, " I don't know how to put this, but I'm kind of a big deal, people know me"
We talk about red pill traits
We get into deeper shit and I call her on how she acts and is, telling her I'm a good reader of people:
"You had some deep shit happen to you in your teens, you had a recent bad relationship or stalker, since you didnt give me your number, you seem very bubbly, but there's a somewhat nice, innocent, sweet side to you, but I mean LITTLE"
She her eyes locked dead on me and she was silent for a second and laughed, "you're totally right"
She drops a hint that she told everyone she was going on a date and they told her to dress up, she wore a cut shirt with great side boob action and some nice tight dark jeans.
She told me how she got hit twice in a 5 year relationship, then dated a dude for a week, and then tracked her house down from her license plates and slammed on her her door at 3am, kept stalking her. She said hardly anyone has her number (except beta orbiters).
Apparently she was so traumatized a beta friend slept over a few days a week and she gets extreme anxiety still.
Took it with a grain of salt, 3 sides to every story.
I ask her tats and shows her huge side piece off, man her body is banging, I grab her hip, and rub her tat. Suggest she needs to get it retouched and filled in.
She shows her shoulder on also, alot of side boob action going on.
We keep talking about that subject, then sports came up, this girl has a obsessive fascination with a certain player in the super bowl. It was kind of annoying but I played it cool, we keep chatting, then I cut the night off, I needed to get to bed.
We walk out towards her bike and my car and she says "you don't have to walk me to my bike lol" I said "I wasn't planning on it" and she laughs.
I give her a hug, pull back look at her and start making out with her, she was pretty much waiting for it.
Her lips were really soft and she kissed pretty decent.
I pull away and she says call me when you get home "i live right up the street lol" I tell her to text me when she's home.
She didn't text me Thursday morning and I didn't text her all day.
I just followed up with her with a funny pic saying I got food poisoning the other day and asked if she got it.
She said "yeah"
I told her I don't suggest she try that and how her day was going ?
Of course no response. I'm following up one more time, I don't have time for this shit.
Or perhaps her "guy friends" go super jealous and got into her head.
Either way hope you guys got some insight.
TL;DR Tomboy Girl>Lots of "guy friends">Not a good mix in a girl.
Honestly, this was probably a waste of time.
Mister X 路 2015-01-30 14:37:00 路 #4471
Somewhat of a bummer story kaotic. Sounds like the date went well so logically you would've expected her interest level to be raised when you texted her or at the very least been maintained.
kaotic 路 2015-01-30 14:55:00 路 #4472
(01-30-2015 02:37 PM)Mister X Wrote: Somewhat of a bummer story kaotic. Sounds like the date went well so logically you would've expected her interest level to be raised when you texted her or at the very least been maintained.
Oh the date turned out pretty good towards the end, especially after finding out we had the same birthday.
There were plenty of IOI's especially her telling me that she told everyone that she was going on a date and actually dressed up.
Sometimes shit happens, like I said I'm gonna follow up one more time. I have nothing else invested, I've got plenty of other options.
AntiTrace 路 2015-01-30 15:02:00 路 #4473
kaotic, call her. dont text again. I've moved on to a new tactic for cold girls. If they don't respond to a text, they get a call, if they don't respond to the call they get nexted.
So far, I've found most of them will not call back, but they will text back.
I haven't decided yet if leaving a voicemail is good or not. I am going to start testing it out. I think ill use "Hey it's anti. give me a call or shoot me a text, I got a question"
So far, I've found most of them will not call back, but they will text back.
I haven't decided yet if leaving a voicemail is good or not. I am going to start testing it out. I think ill use "Hey it's anti. give me a call or shoot me a text, I got a question"
robreke 路 2015-01-30 15:25:00 路 #4474
Just shows how far gone and damaged Western women have become. Great vibes... good date... she made out with you... but she's still too fucked up to have the common courtesy to simply return a text.
kaotic 路 2015-01-30 15:39:00 路 #4475
(01-30-2015 03:02 PM)AntiTrace Wrote: kaotic, call her. dont text again. I've moved on to a new tactic for cold girls. If they don't respond to a text, they get a call, if they don't respond to the call they get nexted.
So far, I've found most of them will not call back, but they will text back.
I haven't decided yet if leaving a voicemail is good or not. I am going to start testing it out. I think ill use "Hey it's anti. give me a call or shoot me a text, I got a question"
Anti - I usually DO call instead of text, however, I forgot to grab her number at the end of the date (I know I know). I regret that, but the only way to contact her is by snapchat, I'm going to facetime her on snap. Like I said not much invested.
(01-30-2015 03:25 PM)robreke Wrote: Just shows how far gone and damaged Western women have become. Great vibes... good date... she made out with you... but she's still too fucked up to have the common courtesy to simply return a text.
Not to mention my game was pretty damn decent with her. To be honest she seems like she has a pretty fucked up background. I'd always change the subject with her to avoid negative vibes.