(01-22-2015 09:58 AM)babygirlhesaloner Wrote:  That's kinda the whole point of game.

But there's so much to game.

-Develop a personality and lifestyle that most girls would be attracted to (so in a way, increasing your pool of "yes" girls)

-Picking up on IOIs as well as IODs and knowing when to cut your losses

As well as other ideas that would suggest not to go after girls who aren't showing interest in you.

Now of course not every girl is going to tee it up for you so that all you have to do is come hit it, but still.

So you guys have been able to pull girls who could go days/weeks/months/life without hearing from you? Girls who make you do all the work? Are these girls typically high value/quality and as such, have so many dudes after them, they've become numb to it all? And that's why they're aloof?

I was 0/3 yesterday.

Girl 1- Extremely attractive blond, 22, and had mentioned where she worked. I stopped by after work but she wasn't there. Two other cute chicks were at the front, and looked interested, but I let it ride. Oh well.

Girl 2- Decent looking bartender I thought was gonna crawl across the bar and fuck me. She didn't even try to hide her interest. I went back yesterday to close the deal, but she wasn't working either. Fuck it.

Girl 3- Attractive educated brunette. I had convinced her that I was giving a lecture about the Middle East in a bar. Problem was, when she asked where, I Googled a nice spot. Well, that bar just went out of biz. My cover was blown. Oh well. Life goes on.

Today I'll be traveling again today, and must start ALL over.

^Stalker game.

(01-19-2015 03:05 PM)olspice1588 Wrote:  

(01-19-2015 12:55 PM)olspice1588 Wrote:  

(01-18-2015 03:49 PM)LouEvilSlugger Wrote:  ^Art gallery. There's a quite few in my city and most of the time they offer free drinks or beers, and I can't think of a better spot to ramble. If I were you I'd do that and then just use a bait to bring her back to your place.

There is an art festival to walk around this weekend. Considering this (the museums are twice the distance away).

(01-19-2015 03:35 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(01-18-2015 02:41 PM)olspice1588 Wrote:  I got an art girl's number at the college library. We both are 21+. She was excited when talking and when we texted briefly. She's down to hang out next week.

I'm running really low on cash so wanna "hang out" somewhere free yet conducive to getting the lay. Two options I thought of:

1. Some art museum in the evening to discuss my above-average knowledge of art
2. A very-hip (free) club/lounge late Tuesday night where people dance, sit around, or play pool.

Thoughts? Or other recommendations for free fun? I'm serious about it having to be free because my paycheck went to some health bills.

Do you live alone?

If so, or if you can be alone, why not give the zero date bang method a go?

Nah, I live in a loud place. I'm seriously thinking of just offering to bring wine and have her show me her art at her apartment (I assume she has a roommate).

UPDATE #1: Read the zero bangs thread and went for the very last option. Will report how she responds. Never been this ballsy before, but fortune favors the bold.

Update #2: She responded an hour later, "I don't have a lot of work at my place but wine is always good." Off I go Thursday

Update #3: Texted her a basic "8:00 tonight." Hadn't arranged the time during our Monday convo. Will NOT remessage her if doesn't respond. Should I just delete her number if I hypothetically don't hear back from her?

(01-22-2015 01:04 PM)olspice1588 Wrote:  Update #3: Texted her a basic "8:00 tonight." Hadn't arranged the time during our Monday convo. Will NOT remessage her if doesn't respond. Should I just delete her number if I hypothetically don't hear back from her?

FWIW: i never "delete" numbers. You never know what crazy social app ala snapchat they make next that brings you back into contact with her based on phone#

Per my last few posts in this thread - got a number on campus the other day, but feels like a dead lead. It felt like it as she was putting her number in my phone. I don't even really know why I asked. More like a robotic response on my part. You talk to a girl, you go for the number. That's just how it is.

Normally when I go for the number, the girl is usually at least somewhat warm/receptive to it. You know, they show some level of excitement that leaves me feeling good about the prospect.

This time I said "let me get your number" and the girl said "sounds good" in a monotone voice. Like she could take or leave the idea of talking to me.

I'm sure some girls, well...girls who are into you, below the surface are saying to themselves "come on, ask for my number already!," I mean, some girls have even asked for mine before I had a chance to go for theirs. That to me shows interest.

She could have easily blown me out and said she was taken or something, or any other excuse to not give me her number. So I guess that's something. But overall the situation made me feel very "meh."

Sometimes I miss the naive days when I was starting out and any phone number got me excited because I thought phone number = instant pussy.

Now I'm cynical and know better and don't get too high when it comes to number closes. I used to get excited and tell friends in detail how I overcame the odds, approached a knockout in sometimes tough situations and inexplicably got the number. (Only for the lead to die a few days later)

(01-22-2015 04:03 PM)Mister X Wrote:  Per my last few posts in this thread - got a number on campus the other day, but feels like a dead lead. It felt like it as she was putting her number in my phone. I don't even really know why I asked. More like a robotic response on my part. You talk to a girl, you go for the number. That's just how it is.

Normally when I go for the number, the girl is usually at least somewhat warm/receptive to it. You know, they show some level of excitement that leaves me feeling good about the prospect.

This time I said "let me get your number" and the girl said "sounds good" in a monotone voice. Like she could take or leave the idea of talking to me.

I'm sure some girls, well...girls who are into you, below the surface are saying to themselves "come on, ask for my number already!," I mean, some girls have even asked for mine before I had a chance to go for theirs. That to me shows interest.

She could have easily blown me out and said she was taken or something, or any other excuse to not give me her number. So I guess that's something. But overall the situation made me feel very "meh."

Sometimes I miss the naive days when I was starting out and any phone number got me excited because I thought phone number = instant pussy.

Now I'm cynical and know better and don't get too high when it comes to number closes. I used to get excited and tell friends in detail how I overcame the odds, approached a knockout in sometimes tough situations and inexplicably got the number. (Only for the lead to die a few days later)

1 bang per 5 numbers is a great ratio.

1 bang per 7-10 numbers is normal.

I explain the exacts of the Numbers Game to my friends that are learning game all the time so it sinks in that this is no different than playing slot machines in Vegas. That's how you need to approach it.

Sweet side of the deal is you have an unlimited number of tokens to play with.

(01-22-2015 04:10 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  1 bang per 5 numbers is a great ratio.

1 bang per 7-10 numbers is normal.

I explain the exacts of the Numbers Game to my friends that are learning game all the time so it sinks in that this is no different than playing slot machines in Vegas. That's how you need to approach it.

Sweet side of the deal is you have an unlimited number of tokens to play with.

Interesting. I mean it is house money because the best outcome is we hook up. The worst is she ignores my texts or flakes and I move on.

Still frustrating because this girl is my physical type but I'm not getting the vibe that if I play my cards right I can get her. I get the feeling that if I hit her up to ask her out it's gonna be one of those situations where she sees it as just "hanging out" with a guy she met from school. I didn't feel a sexual vibe at all from her. That's why I asked if anyone has had success with a neutral. Because right now, if I'm being honest with myself, I know she doesn't care whether she hears from me again or not.

I don't know if I should be cerebral and really step up my game, and analyze every move in detail, or do my usual binary "are we gonna fuck or not" type of direct approach that I made a thread about. I hate when I overthink/overgame. It shouldn't be that way. By the same token, I don't want to piss away a good thing if I have even the slightest chance of success.

Your best bet is to always have a standard game you follow during interactions. Briefly analyze yourself and where you are at after the interactions and leave it be.

Those short periods of reflection of self perceived Do's and Don'ts will just meld in to improve your standard game as you get a feedback loop of where the kinks are. Most girls no matter how good your standard game is won't fall into it, just how it is. I think it is much more efficient and better for your mental well-being to just follow and improve the standard game you build for yourself constantly so you can maintain indifference. Switching your mentality for each girl based on each tiny thing she does differently will just drive you crazy. Following your standard game makes you hold frame and makes her play on your court. If she isn't into the game you like to follow move on.

Having multiple prospects is always the best solution.

P.S. By your mentality with this one you are focusing on I would be shocked if you bang her. You are too afraid to lose her, it will show in your game. My crystal ball says this will be one of those girls that flakes or radio silence, it will sting you a bit and 300 approaches from now you will laugh that you fretted over her.

(01-22-2015 04:25 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  Your best bet is to always have a standard game you follow during interactions. Briefly analyze yourself and where you are at after the interactions and leave it be.

Those short periods of reflection of self perceived Do's and Don'ts will just meld in to improve your standard game as you get a feedback loop of where the kinks are. Most girls no matter how good your standard game is won't fall into it, just how it is. I think it is much more efficient and better for your mental well-being to just follow and improve the standard game you build for yourself constantly so you can maintain indifference. Switching your mentality for each girl based on each tiny thing she does differently will just drive you crazy. Following your standard game makes you hold frame and makes her play on your court. If she isn't into the game you like to follow move on.

Having multiple prospects is always the best solution.

P.S. By your mentality with this one you are focusing on I would be shocked if you bang her. You are too afraid to lose her, it will show in your game. My crystal ball says this will be one of those girls that flakes or radio silence, it will sting you a bit and 300 approaches from now you will laugh that you fretted over her.

Yeah unfortunately I see the same currently. I haven't hit her up yet and I definitely don't want to enter the situation with my current frame.

I wonder if this is an issue a lot of guys who are quality over quantity face occasionally.

I've seen guys rack up their notch count like nothing but part of it is they're not all that attracted to the girl, so their aloof/take it or leave it game works because...it's authentic. They really can take it or leave it and are indifferent even after sleeping with her.

I have specific tastes and will only go after girls that I "feel it" with. Girls that make me want to chase them. Not girls that I'm lukewarm about. There's no fun in that for me.

So yeah, this girl falls into that mold that I have and sometimes when that happens, I pedestalize. Not full blown oneitis. If I get a dead lead I'll be bummed for a day or so and keep moving, but when I'm in game mode with a girl like this I tend to freak out in the initial stages. A flaw in my game I recognize and need to correct.

(01-22-2015 04:10 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  1 bang per 5 numbers is a great ratio.

1 bang per 7-10 numbers is normal.

I explain the exacts of the Numbers Game to my friends that are learning game all the time so it sinks in that this is no different than playing slot machines in Vegas. That's how you need to approach it.

Sweet side of the deal is you have an unlimited number of tokens to play with.

Those stats make me feel a whole lot better about my game.
Since I got out of my LTR and swallowed the red pill ~5 months ago my stats are:
Numbers: 36
Dates: 15
Notches: 7

So I guess I'm doing pretty well. Also, a few of those numbers are quite recent and I haven't had a chance to get them out on a date yet so they still have potential to be new notches.

For you seasoned players, how do you keep girls interest while waiting to get them out on a date?
The biggest issue I am facing right now is finding the time to get a new girl out on a date. Right now I have a bunch of new numbers but I'm struggling to fit them all into the Monday - Thursday window.
I don't want them to drop off so how do I string them along until I can fit them in?

Those are outstanding conversion rates.

I have the same problem of not being able to schedule all the girls I have on the hook in a short time frame.

I just text them occasionally , say every 2 or 3 days and have a short text conversation. A good technique is to send a pic if youre doing something interesting or a funny pic or gif from the internet. You should have a file of these on your phone and just reuse them.

(01-22-2015 05:32 PM)Roardog Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 04:10 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  1 bang per 5 numbers is a great ratio.

1 bang per 7-10 numbers is normal.

I explain the exacts of the Numbers Game to my friends that are learning game all the time so it sinks in that this is no different than playing slot machines in Vegas. That's how you need to approach it.

Sweet side of the deal is you have an unlimited number of tokens to play with.

Those stats make me feel a whole lot better about my game.
Since I got out of my LTR and swallowed the red pill ~5 months ago my stats are:
Numbers: 36
Dates: 15
Notches: 7

So I guess I'm doing pretty well. Also, a few of those numbers are quite recent and I haven't had a chance to get them out on a date yet so they still have potential to be new notches.

That is a great conversion rate. The question of how great it actual is depends on your looks vs. the looks of girls you are banging.

Doing 1 bang per 5 numbers with 6's is vastly easier than with 7+.

(01-22-2015 06:00 PM)MrXY Wrote:  Those are outstanding conversion rates.

I have the same problem of not being able to schedule all the girls I have on the hook in a short time frame.

I just text them occasionally , say every 2 or 3 days and have a short text conversation. A good technique is to send a pic if youre doing something interesting or a funny pic or gif from the internet. You should have a file of these on your phone and just reuse them.

That's a good idea. I need to build up a database of those.

(01-22-2015 06:33 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 05:32 PM)Roardog Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 04:10 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  1 bang per 5 numbers is a great ratio.

1 bang per 7-10 numbers is normal.

I explain the exacts of the Numbers Game to my friends that are learning game all the time so it sinks in that this is no different than playing slot machines in Vegas. That's how you need to approach it.

Sweet side of the deal is you have an unlimited number of tokens to play with.

Those stats make me feel a whole lot better about my game.
Since I got out of my LTR and swallowed the red pill ~5 months ago my stats are:
Numbers: 36
Dates: 15
Notches: 7

So I guess I'm doing pretty well. Also, a few of those numbers are quite recent and I haven't had a chance to get them out on a date yet so they still have potential to be new notches.

That is a great conversion rate. The question of how great it actual is depends on your looks vs. the looks of girls you are banging.

Doing 1 bang per 5 numbers with 6's is vastly easier than with 7+.

Thanks but you're right, I would say that my quality hasn't been amazing. Most of those girls would be 5's or 6's with one or two scrapping into a 7.
For the first couple of months after I got out of my LTR I banged pretty much anything with a pair of tits and a hearbeat.
That's why this year I am focusing on quality and trying to bang better women so I expect my conversion rate to drop due to that.

First day game number today. Nice feeling of accomplishment after so many failures.

^ Great job!

God damn. Everytime I break my own texting time rules (texting too soon, or offering a second day too fast if they can't make the first) it fails miserably. I try to rationalize and say hey I am being more bold by pushing for faster meets etc... it never works well. Playing it cool and have meticulously rigid time constraints on how long to wait to text or plan a date in the future seems to have much better odds.

(01-23-2015 12:08 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  God damn. Everytime I break my own texting time rules (texting too soon, or offering a second day too fast if they can't make the first) it fails miserably. I try to rationalize and say hey I am being more bold by pushing for faster meets etc... it never works well. Playing it cool and have meticulously rigid time constraints on how long to wait to text or plan a date in the future seems to have much better odds.

Yea, I've been fucking with my text game lately. I felt that too long of a wait after first # gotten, and they're attention span is so fucking short they ignore you if it's past 2 days.

I had a bitch go cold recently, and I simply texted:"Am i wasting my time texting you or what?" she texted back immediately and 5 min later she called me and we talked for an hour about how to schedule a meet up, how she likes sex to be, etc. Still in works but lookin good.

From Tinder and gym approaches, I've got 6 numbers in the last 2 weeks, 1 instadate from gym that wasnt SNL I was pushing for, but seemed promising, now the bitch is doing the predictable cold shoulder.. it's a shit test I think, because her little group of friends who go there were surely reporting me to her after seeing me talking to a nine and mackin attention from other hotties in the gym.

Yesterday there was, for some reason, a whole fleet of hot women in our gym, way above normal amounts. I had 3 different guys givin me props for all the sets I opened.. kinda gettin a mild player rep that I don't want in that environment.. yea yea, don't shit where you eat. I say fuck that. I'm nursing back an injured shoulder and normally am not a talker in the gym, but why not since my workout is more chill?

Its truly amazing how my equation of walking up and talking to the hottest bitch that all the meatheads don't have the balls to open, equates to half the women noticing and showing interest. One life, one shot, you gotta take it!

(01-23-2015 12:08 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  God damn. Everytime I break my own texting time rules (texting too soon, or offering a second day too fast if they can't make the first) it fails miserably. I try to rationalize and say hey I am being more bold by pushing for faster meets etc... it never works well. Playing it cool and have meticulously rigid time constraints on how long to wait to text or plan a date in the future seems to have much better odds.

But regardless, I agree. Even when I'm not needy, if you're texting 5+ women who respond, I'm tempted just to get the damn text out to try to line shit up and get more solid hooks in the water, but yea, it usually fails or turns them cold.

Most of these women are 9-5 monkeys to the system, so it's tempting to get texts out, out of cue, to just capitalize on a weekend, because with all the flaking, you can line up all 5 and wind up with 0 in the sack, or 4/5 ready to meet and you've got your hands full.. shit's hard to predict.

Haven't been on this site in a while but much has happened that I feel like sharing.

A few weeks ago I was getting into it with this chick the second time hanging out. So she's staying the night, she's in my bed, and things are heating up. I was working on her for what seemed like an eternity but I couldn't get below the waist or vice versa. Therefore, I ask, "are you a virgin?". She slapped me and started crying. Then apologized and told me she was raped by a friend a few months ago. It was strange.

Bartending is the best possible thing you could do if you're young and need some cash. I'm 21, can't even grow a decent beard, and I'm having incredible success. Check this out - it was Saturday night around 1:30 am. Most patrons (it's an upscale bar in a lower mid-tier [aka shitty] city) had left by then. All the sudden, a group of around 8 people come in. They sit down and start ordering Don Julio shots, Blow Job Shots, Mohitos, etc. The sexiest girl of the bunch, a stunning Italian-looking brunette wearing tight leather pants which left nothing to the imagination, had racked up a $100 tab. This one guy was telling me what great friends they were and picked up her $100 tab. In between his constant beta flattery and snap chat stories, he told me he was taking her home to bang her. I gave him a fist bump. Eventually, around time for last calls, this girl is giving me the eyes. I start bullshitting with her, and she tells me "he's not my boyfriend". While her beta friend wasn't looking, she was high-key flirting with me and wrote her number on a napkin for me to meet up. She's 24 and absolutely gorgeous and like I said, I'm 21 and don't look a day older. A year ago I would've never dreamed of this.

Another quick story - my ex girlfriend and I are neighbors at our schools and we see each other all the time. Honestly, she's pretty awesome herself, but we had to do our separate things. Sometimes we even hang out and bullshit about school, music, movies, or whatever. Recently, after seeing me getting danced on by some HB's, making out with girls at the bars, and a general sense of my increasing "game", she drops this gem - "I fucking hate you. I mean.. I actually love you. I hate that I love you". It's nothing remarkable, just assuring the fundamental truth that chicks are attracted to guys who get girls, and visually seeing it makes them go crazy.



Til next time.

I think I need to slow down getting numbers, I'm juggling way to many trying to get a bang this week, and it's causing some thirst man. The hunt in me super fucking strong.

Luckily I've got a few that are down tonight, then a girl a super close to my pad popped up as a match on tinder.

I thought I was going to a show tonight, turns out it's next friday, now I've got no plans.

I think I might have to pull back from everything for a day or 2, not being able to setup dates is pissing me off.

(01-23-2015 02:24 AM)Ingocnito Wrote:  "Am i wasting my time texting you or what?"

Going to try this is a restarter it gets straight to the point without looking hurt or try-hard.

I think the key is to wait enough time when she radio silences for it to be effective like 5 days - 2 weeks after.

Also with many restart texts that are witty the girl just sucks more attention and still flakes. I like that I think this would only smoke out chicks that are turned on by the fact you are being direct.

I am not a big fan of the restart texts in general though it focuses my energy away from positive girls which are just more fun in general.

A few regrets this week. Sunday night I was up real late working on stuff and hardly slept. I went to whole foods for lunch and as I'm walking in this really cute college girl ( banging legs and ass - runs track...always wearing runner's shorts ) I hit on last year was sitting out front studying. When I hit on her last time in the coffee shop...she had given me IOIs...several smiles...then when I opened her it was curt answers and minimal eye contact. It inspired that thread about 'girls who give IOIs but are difficult'

She smiles at me as I walk in to whole foods on Monday. I was feeling spaced out but I smiled back. I got lunch and walked out on the porch and past her pretending to talk on my phone. I looked down at her again and she's smiling at me I say "hey" I sit at another table and wait for my opportunity. I'm just so out of it and there's a lot of people around. I'm hoping some will leave which some do. Also...in the back of my spaced out mind was the memory of how she did the exact same thing last time but was short with her answers and rather non receptive ( in fact, I had opened her a second time in the coffee shop a few weeks later and she had been difficult then too )

So, I go in to the bathroom at whole foods after I'm done eating my lunch alone at my table a few down from hers and when I walk out she's walking in.....I say "hey again" and she smiles and says hey. I figured she was going inside to stay so I just leave the store and return to work. Turns out she was just going to the bathroom as I saw her sitting back outside on the porch as I left the parking lot. Man, I'm still pissed I didn't approach....3 smiles from this girl and no approach. All because I had no rest and felt way way out of it that day in addition to her non-receptivity previously. Should have said fuck it and plough on. I hope I see her again.

My harem of 2.5 girls is still going strong

Hibernating until March but then it will be time for me to forage again

This week was my birthday but pussy-wise it's been hell.

All of the warm leads from before Christmas dry out. I approach quite a lot this week and one salsa girl who seemed really excited just stopped responding. Went out to club tonight, approached 3 sets. None of them hooked. One set of 2 cute black girls, I chit chat for a bit. They were throwing me "I love your accent" "You have such a pretty face" "You are so confident" but then when I tried venue change and number close they both bailed. I'm getting frustrated.