How long of a "blurb" would you recommend?

(12-29-2014 05:13 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I've tried different types of messages and matches don't always reply to the first one. Is that common?

I want to be more specific. (if you're running looks game this does not apply to you).

These are the main reasons girls don't reply to the first message:
1) The opener is clearly copy and paste
2) The opener is too directly sexual
3) The opener is boring

These are main two ways to categorize your matches:
1) girls who know they want you to fuck them (yes girls)
2) girls who don't know what they want (maybe girls)

A) girls who just joined tinder
B) girls who have been on tinder for a while

With yes girls you are just running don't fuck it up game so I will focus on maybe girls.

A maybe girl who just joined tinder normally needs indirect game that makes her feel comfortable and like she's having fun.

A maybe girl who has been on tinder for a while has already had seen plenty of copy and paste openers, overtly sexual openers and "how is your day/weekend" openers. (Months ago "how was your weekend" was a stupidly gold opener and now it is dead). They are sick of that shit and need something else if you're not counting on looks game. If your opener has been posted on straightwhiteboystexting.tumblr.com then you're running looks game.

(12-29-2014 08:33 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  How long of a "blurb" would you recommend?

Just long enough to tell the girl why there is no one else like you in this world.

So I'm rolling down I-20 through Texas at like 85 mph, and swerving all over the road like every other idiot cause I'm Tindering. Was trying a hybrid between online game and Emech road warrior game. So I hit like on like 40 profiles and didn't get shit back for an hour. Finally my phone chimes and I get excited. I pull over to get gas and see my match. It was a fucking tranny! SMFH.

I've gotten bangs on Tinder, but like all online dating it runs hot and cold. I put my best pic forward, wait for the match, and use an elderly opener, like "nice hair, how was your weekend?" If they don't respond in a day or so I follow up with something like "it must've been epic!" I get a good response rate with this formula.

I'm still not 100% on Tinder, but have been using prior knowledge to speed up the process. On Pof, I am lethal and can pull diglits in lesx than 10 messages and always open with a heavy neg. Okcupid requires some thoughtful shit and longer timewise for the #. I think Tinder is inbeween but I've not found my sweet spot.

My original profile message was about a paragraph long and highlighted, travel, overseas, and cooking. Boring. I just changed it though posted up some real racy shit. I believe girls initially swipe you, and then later read your profile. This is a different dynamic than other dating sites. I'm beginning to think it don't really matter after you match though. Will keep plugging away at it till my % is higher.

I do though know that after the match move quick, because they will get bored and move on. Use the same technique as you would after getting the number off online dating sites.

Whenever a girl wouldn't respond to my opener or just go radio silence after a couple of messages, I would just use this: "I made a graph to show how well this conversation went ", the great majority would reply positively so just push for the number from there.

Anyone notice an "age thresh hold" on tinder? Like ....I'm in my 40s and lying saying I'm 34....but I'm only getting a few likes and I think I've got some decent pics ( social proof pics with some cute women...having fun....etc) I'm thinking of lowering to 33 or 32 or whatever to try to get more matches.

Just wondering if anyone's noticed an age threshold at which more matches from younger women suddenly start popping off. I'm afraid I may be getting age discriminated against and need to lie even more....lol.

(12-31-2014 02:37 PM)robreke Wrote:  Anyone notice an "age thresh hold" on tinder? Like ....I'm in my 40s and lying saying I'm 34....but I'm only getting a few likes and I think I've got some decent pics ( social proof pics with some cute women...having fun....etc) I'm thinking of lowering to 33 or 32 or whatever to try to get more matches.

Just wondering if anyone's noticed an age threshold at which more matches from younger women suddenly start popping off. I'm afraid I may be getting age discriminated against and need to lie even more....lol.

Tinder is optimal if you're 25 and under IMO. It's popular with the younger age group just like instagram, twitter etc. Luckily im in that age group and here are my matches last two weeks.



To be fair this is from a couple different locations.

(12-30-2014 07:45 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  I do though know that after the match move quick, because they will get bored and move on.

I know it may seem like this, but it's simply not true.

I have banged girls MONTHS after matching them on Tinder. In fact, I'd estimate 40% of my Tinder bangs happen this way.

Very rarely are these girls looking to bang right now, or even meet up anytime soon. That's how guys approach it; they think a match = instant bang. But Tinder game is a slow burn, and if you rush in you'll scare the cat.

I can't tell you how many times I've been chilling with a girl from Tinder and she says something like "yeah I was dating this guy for a bit but it didn't work out, and then I saw your message." Or some variation thereof. In other words, she was sexually/emotionally satisfied when I first messaged her, but later she wasn't, and I just so happened to be there.

For guys: Tinder = leads
For girls: Tinder = options

That's the difference in how guys and girls are using the app. The key is to be available when she's ready to go.That's when you move fast.

^^ BlurredSevens

How do you re-engage with these girls and don't appear too needy?

For example, let's say you message a bunch of girls on a Saturday "How's your weekend going?". Most of them don't reply. Then what do you do with those who don't reply? What do you message next time? How long do you wait? How many times do you message if they keep quiet?

(12-31-2014 10:16 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  ^^ BlurredSevens

How do you re-engage with these girls and don't appear too needy?

Here are 2 examples:

#1: In October I messaged a girl and she replied within the hour, and we exchanged a few messages. I went for the number and she went cold for 3+ weeks.

One morning I saw she was using recently active on Tinder, so I sent her an emoji of a snowman, and she replied with her digits. We texted for a few days then I went to her place to make drinks, and the rest was history.

Time from 1st tinder message to bang: 37 days.
Time from getting her number to bang: 3 days.

Like I said, sometimes you have to know when to move fast.

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#2: Here's a perfect example from last summer:

Chatted back and forth for a week or so with this girl. I suggested we meet up sometime.

Pay attention to the dates of our messages:



Lame line, but it reengaged her after 6 weeks. We swapped numbers, and I put her on the backburner for some reason. Here is a screenshot of her calling me 2 weeks after swapping numbers.

Obviously, she was horny and I was her only option. Needless to say I sealed the deal the following night:



Total time from 1st tinder message to bang: 90+ days.
Time from getting her number to bang: 18 days.

How many photos can, or rather, should you throw up? Your profile and any others?

(12-28-2014 11:33 AM)Roosh Wrote:  If you could estimate, how many girls do you swipe right on to get a match? I'm finding it takes me a lot of right swipes to get a match, but then again I've been very selective (no mass liking).

I could go day game right now and get an instant date in less than 5 approaches, but it's taking way more than 5 to get a match on Tinder, even though I'm in the same city. I'm trying to "adapt" to these apps, since more girls are getting on it, but my online results can't come close to matching my real life results.

Does anyone get better results on Tinder than regular gaming? I find this hard to believe, unless your photos are unrealistically better than how you appear in real life.

The New York Times following an interview with Tinder's boss reported that women swipe right only 14% of the time compared to 46%.

http://time.com/3547890/tinder-men-women-swipe-right/

This heralds the familiar tale of women over-estimating their values and under-estimating men's. Recall how the OKCupid staff found that women deem 80% of men on the site as 'less than average'. This is obviously mathematically impossible and this would not happen in real life.

Having said that, despite the shallow nature of Tinder favouring people (mostly women) whose values are forward-loaded in terms of depreciating looks, Tinder is an effective means for men to get through the first stage of the game process by churning through the numbers with little investment.

(01-01-2015 06:39 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 11:33 AM)Roosh Wrote:  If you could estimate, how many girls do you swipe right on to get a match? I'm finding it takes me a lot of right swipes to get a match, but then again I've been very selective (no mass liking).

I could go day game right now and get an instant date in less than 5 approaches, but it's taking way more than 5 to get a match on Tinder, even though I'm in the same city. I'm trying to "adapt" to these apps, since more girls are getting on it, but my online results can't come close to matching my real life results.

Does anyone get better results on Tinder than regular gaming? I find this hard to believe, unless your photos are unrealistically better than how you appear in real life.

The New York Times following an interview with Tinder's boss reported that women swipe right only 14% of the time compared to 46%.

http://time.com/3547890/tinder-men-women-swipe-right/

This heralds the familiar tale of women over-estimating their values and under-estimating men's. Recall how the OKCupid staff found that women deem 80% of men on the site as 'less than average'. This is obviously mathematically impossible and this would not happen in real life.

Having said that, despite the shallow nature of Tinder favouring people (mostly women) whose values are forward-loaded in terms of depreciating looks, Tinder is an effective means for men to get through the first stage of the game process by churning through the numbers with little investment.

This is the quote from the okcupid article "As you can see from the gray line, women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium. Very harsh."
http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-l...ne-dating/

okcupid concludes that this "Very harsh" is because they are PC and because they are pandering to the guys that pay their monthly fees.

The truth is that this is not very harsh. The truth is that more hot girls are attention whoring on okcupid than good looking guys.

To believe that the 80% number is mathematically impossible is to believe that the percentage of good looking guys from the real-life population on okcupid is the same percentage as guys who are not good looking.

Just got to Atlanta. I understand that The Walking Dead is huge and a lot of people get on as extras, but why the fuck does an attractive girl have to put up as a first photo done up as a zombie? This is as attractive as putting up of pics of her std flares.



   


I swipe left off principle alone.

(12-31-2014 10:59 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  One morning I saw she was using recently active on Tinder, so I sent her an emoji of a snowman, and she replied with her digits. We texted for a few days then I went to her place to make drinks, and the rest was history.

This may be a newbie question, but does anybody know how to send emoji on Tinder using an Android phone? Maybe there is a special app or a web site where you can copy and paste emoji?

(12-31-2014 10:16 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  ^^ BlurredSevens

How do you re-engage with these girls and don't appear too needy?

For example, let's say you message a bunch of girls on a Saturday "How's your weekend going?". Most of them don't reply. Then what do you do with those who don't reply? What do you message next time? How long do you wait? How many times do you message if they keep quiet?

First of all, "How's your weekend going?" is a terrible opener. In a Swedish forum they did a "hot girl experiment" opening an account on a dating site as a girl with hot photos. This is two year old information from a Swedish dating site, not an app, but we can assume it's not too different from tinder, anywhere in the world. The first message guys wrote were:

Giving complement for her looks: 41%
"How are you?", "What's up" and similar 39%
"How's your weekend going?", "Did you do anything interesting this weekend?" 21%
"What are you doing at the moment"? or similar 11%
"Do you want to speak on the phone?" "could I have your number?" 9%
"Hug" "Kiss" 8%
Says something about the photo 8%
Says something about the profile 8%
Says something about the weather 8%

That's more than 100% because some messages would go like "How are you? You look hot" <- placing the message in two categories.

Shows confidense 4%
Ask a random question 4%
Wrote something funny 2%
Complementing personality 2%

Coming up with a new opener is not necessary, just come up with one, yourself, showing confidence, humor and is easy to answer too, is enough. I've one myself, six words, I won't disclose it for you, it's too good. Since I'm using it all the time her answer will tell me a lot about her too.


Anyway, re-engaging is possible, of course how easy it is depends on what's been said before. If you wrote "How's your weekend going?" and try to re-engaging with "How are you?" you shouldn't expect an answer. If you had a good chat and she's been quite for sometime just saying "you're quite" might work.


I find it important to answer her directly and get a connection as soon as possible, not a good idea to play busy in tinder, she'll just go swiping again until someone else engages her.

I am deleting tinder during non school breaks. The sheer number of DTF college girls has spoiled me this last break.

That's five girls over thanksgiving and X-mas break.

Oldest 21 and the youngest was 19. Two of them will be part of my new harem.

They treat me so well compared to these mis 20s spoiled brats.

Ali- I've seen so many pictures of girls wearing that insane clown possy/evil clown American horror story mask lately.

I've had some girls message me back months later but not many.

(01-01-2015 06:32 PM)Satoshi Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 10:16 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  ^^ BlurredSevens

How do you re-engage with these girls and don't appear too needy?

For example, let's say you message a bunch of girls on a Saturday "How's your weekend going?". Most of them don't reply. Then what do you do with those who don't reply? What do you message next time? How long do you wait? How many times do you message if they keep quiet?

First of all, "How's your weekend going?" is a terrible opener. In a Swedish forum they did a "hot girl experiment" opening an account on a dating site as a girl with hot photos. This is two year old information from a Swedish dating site, not an app, but we can assume it's not too different from tinder, anywhere in the world. The first message guys wrote were:

Giving complement for her looks: 41%
"How are you?", "What's up" and similar 39%
"How's your weekend going?", "Did you do anything interesting this weekend?" 21%
"What are you doing at the moment"? or similar 11%
"Do you want to speak on the phone?" "could I have your number?" 9%
"Hug" "Kiss" 8%
Says something about the photo 8%
Says something about the profile 8%
Says something about the weather 8%

That's more than 100% because some messages would go like "How are you? You look hot" <- placing the message in two categories.

Shows confidense 4%
Ask a random question 4%
Wrote something funny 2%
Complementing personality 2%

Coming up with a new opener is not necessary, just come up with one, yourself, showing confidence, humor and is easy to answer too, is enough. I've one myself, six words, I won't disclose it for you, it's too good. Since I'm using it all the time her answer will tell me a lot about her too.


Anyway, re-engaging is possible, of course how easy it is depends on what's been said before. If you wrote "How's your weekend going?" and try to re-engaging with "How are you?" you shouldn't expect an answer. If you had a good chat and she's been quite for sometime just saying "you're quite" might work.


I find it important to answer her directly and get a connection as soon as possible, not a good idea to play busy in tinder, she'll just go swiping again until someone else engages her.

Girl's expect way too much from these openers. It's like they expect to be blown away on the first line. Thing is, the dude doesn't know you. Like most girls she probably has nothing interesting written on her profile, if anything at all. Her pictures are probably just her standing in a club taking iphone shots on girl's night out. Some cliche photo of her at a rock climbing gym or something and that's about it. But we're expected to craft this perfect opener that makes her laugh out out loud, makes her 'gina tingle, shows confidence, creativity etc and we don't know a thing about the bitch.

Speakeasy:

How are you finding it with respect to the age parameters?

(12-31-2014 10:10 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  I know it may seem like this, but it's simply not true.

I have banged girls MONTHS after matching them on Tinder. In fact, I'd estimate 40% of my Tinder bangs happen this way.

Very rarely are these girls looking to bang right now, or even meet up anytime soon. That's how guys approach it; they think a match = instant bang. But Tinder game is a slow burn, and if you rush in you'll scare the cat.

Good lesson beyond Tinder.

do any of you guys have professionally-made photos for your Tinder (and other online dating) profiles?

I did a halfway decent job of taking professional shots at home myself. I bought some stuff off amazon and did my best model shot. Took over an hour to get the perfect shot. But it's definitely increased my matches and interest online. Been worthwhile. At some point I would like to get a pro to do them though, or buy myself a $500 camera.

Incredible photos do a lot of the work for you, and is the biggest single thing to make you stand out.

The more you seem like the dream package, the more girls will fall for you. People are so used to the polish of advertising, so play to that level of polish.

PM me for details on getting a good photo yourself, though its nothing the web doesn't say already.

(01-02-2015 05:29 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Girl's expect way too much from these openers. It's like they expect to be blown away on the first line. Thing is, the dude doesn't know you. Like most girls she probably has nothing interesting written on her profile, if anything at all. Her pictures are probably just her standing in a club taking iphone shots on girl's night out. Some cliche photo of her at a rock climbing gym or something and that's about it. But we're expected to craft this perfect opener that makes her laugh out out loud, makes her 'gina tingle, shows confidence, creativity etc and we don't know a thing about the bitch.

I understand your frustration. I also believe that women are expecting a bit much from the openers. HOWEVER, it is Tinder:

1. All they get are whatever pictures you put up (and many times they only look at 1) as they rarely read profiles.
2. They are getting BOMBARDED with messages.
3. If you had the same type of deal offline, she probably wouldn't notice you either unless you called out some reasonably interesting opener.

If you can't be interesting enough to catch a girl's attention in an opener, how do you think that translates to all the other things in your life that you need to have some sort of opener/good first impression with?

Work on what you can improve, and understand why your barrier to entry is hard, don't complain about what you can't change.

(01-02-2015 09:54 PM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  do any of you guys have professionally-made photos for your Tinder (and other online dating) profiles?

Eh, one of my buddies is a photographer so i'm gonna throw that up there (one that he took).
I haven't used Tinder yet so I'm not sure how the photo thing works but my idea is to use that one for a secondary photo.
It looks sort of like a full body actor head shot style.
I think more casual is better, but that is one of the better photos I have.

(01-02-2015 05:29 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Girl's expect way too much from these openers. It's like they expect to be blown away on the first line. Thing is, the dude doesn't know you. Like most girls she probably has nothing interesting written on her profile, if anything at all. Her pictures are probably just her standing in a club taking iphone shots on girl's night out. Some cliche photo of her at a rock climbing gym or something and that's about it. But we're expected to craft this perfect opener that makes her laugh out out loud, makes her 'gina tingle, shows confidence, creativity etc and we don't know a thing about the bitch.

Good openers are necessary BUT it doesn't have to as good as you make it out to be. It just has to be fun and chill.