(12-04-2014 12:50 PM)kaotic Wrote:  How would you guys break it to her ?

Probably exactly the way you said you might. Since the herpes virus affects everyone differently depending on their immune system, some people really do have it dormant for long periods of time and have very minor flare ups.

Sucks to hear that man. I still don't understand the rawdogger's for life mentality, but I'm sorry you caught that. Luckily it's not life threatening and it's better than having a kid when you're not financially ready or with a girl who just wants you for the child support.

For the sake of other's health I would not only wrap it up from now on but make absolutely sure you're aware of whether you are starting to have a flare up.

Kaotic, sorry to hear that man! major bummer.

As far as telling your main girl, just call her up or meet up with her ASAP and drop it on her straight. I had to make that call earlier this year, and it sucked but it best to just get it over with. (luckily mine ended up being a false alarm, very sorry yours is not)
My girl took it just fine, and there is a good chance she didn't get it from you.

Sounds like you just need to take a break and digest the reality of the situation. Work on some other parts of your life and let your thoughts sort themselves out. Major bummer man, condolences.

I'm sure you've already done your research, but the symptoms appear up to two weeks after exposure, so if you havn't banged her in this timeline, she's probably ok. The other thing is, many people don't even develop any symptoms and the virus stays in a dormant state. If you did give it to her, she should've already noticed something odd going on. A sixth of US population between ages 16-49 have it and 81% go undiagnosed which means the symptoms were either very mild or non-existent. There's a great chance that she doesn't even develop any symptoms.

If you care about her (and others she might infect) you make her do a test, but I just can't see you tapping that again if you take this route. OR If you just want to bang her, don't tell her - the symptoms probably won't even appear on her.

@Aneroid @MtnMan @Bilboswaggins

Thanks for the support and advice.

I'm already meeting her at my work, it's where she meets me and we drive back to my pad together.

I'm just going to lay it flat out, not in a OMG the world is over way. More in a hey heads up, I have it, get checked first, then we'll decide the next step.

Nothing else I can do, I've been doing a shit ton of reading up on it, there are trials going on for vaccines which is good. Other than that I need to do some reflection, my ego/game definitely took a BIG hit with this.

I'm stuck with herpes, I've gotta deal with it.

My biggest learning tasks is:

-When and how to explain I have herpes to a girl I'm going to bang/about to bang.
-If I have no outbreaks or it goes dormant, do I just rock a condom and not tell a ONS ?

This isn't going to stop learning game, going out, and approaching women.

2 steps forward - 1 step back.

Keep your fucking head up, know your worth.

(12-04-2014 12:50 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 02:10 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 08:17 AM)KC4 Wrote:  Kaotic i have had similar bumps but they usually disappear after a couple of days. Wait a day or 2 then check it out.

They looked like whiteheads, went to urgent care doc checked it out, said it didn't look like herpes or molloscum.

Did a swab culture, he'll find out in a few days, until then he gave me a 7 day prescription for Valtrex. I'm praying it's not some STD like herpes.

I'm FUCKED.

Doc called (never a good thing) told me.....I have genital herpes.

I'm pretty sure I know who I got it from, goddammit I should've worn a condom with that girl with hickies on her titties.

My biggest concern:
Telling my main girl that I have it, we haven't had sex since I noticed something was up with the base of my dick:

I was thinking about meeting somewhere neutral, explaining it's been dormant (since before our relationship) and it decided to pop up. I'll tell her i'm on Valtrex also and this is what it is now. She also needs to get tested asap.

This might mean the end of our relationship, i've accepted that option.

She might want to stay and I can explain I'll stay on Valtrex and wear condoms, (even thought it doesn't protect against any skin on skin.

Noone deserves to get this, she doesn't either.

How would you guys break it to her ?

I could definently use some support on this brothers, I feel like I became another fucking statistic and that my game has been shot to shit, I feel sick to my stomach man, it's not life ending, but it sure fucking feels like it.

I've read the other threads on herpes on the forum, how dudes gamed post discovery, etc.

Does anyone else have herpes? How did you deal with this ? Are you still banging ? Anymore outbreaks ? Still spinning plates or LTR ? PM ME if you don't want to talk about it on the forum.

Jesus man, that SUCKS!

However while it's bad and with you for life, it isn't the end of the world, and look on the bright side, it's not Hep C or HIV.

First things first you got to get your facts straight and do some reading so you know as much about it and how to manage it as possible.
Once you know all that you can then plan how to move forward with your main girl. I wouldn't go jumping the gun.

A girl friend of mine got Herpes at 18 from the second ever guy she fucked and she's had an active sex life since then. From the little I know from her it seems that it's only infectious and uncomfortable/painful when it's active i.e. actual bumps and stuff, and the rest of the time it's no issue.
I don't know if she's constantly on medication to keep it dormant but she's dated several guys in the years since and is now married and about to have her first kid so it doesn't seem to have effected her much.

(12-04-2014 02:55 PM)kaotic Wrote:  @Aneroid @MtnMan @Bilboswaggins

Thanks for the support and advice.

I'm already meeting her at my work, it's where she meets me and we drive back to my pad together.

I'm just going to lay it flat out, not in a OMG the world is over way. More in a hey heads up, I have it, get checked first, then we'll decide the next step.

Nothing else I can do, I've been doing a shit ton of reading up on it, there are trials going on for vaccines which is good. Other than that I need to do some reflection, my ego/game definitely took a BIG hit with this.

I'm stuck with herpes, I've gotta deal with it.

My biggest learning tasks is:

-When and how to explain I have herpes to a girl I'm going to bang/about to bang.
-If I have no outbreaks or it goes dormant, do I just rock a condom and not tell a ONS ?

This isn't going to stop learning game, going out, and approaching women.

2 steps forward - 1 step back.

Keep your fucking head up, know your worth.

This is not the end of the world. You can still have an active sex life but it will require using a condom.

If you tell a potential ONS that you have herpes, you are going to send her running. Research with a physician the risks of spreading when using a condom and then make an informed decision on how you are going to proceed. You don't want to spread herpes, but maybe a combination of using a condom and taking Valtrex is enough for you to not have to tell every girl you may have sex with.

Keep your head up and deal with this the best you can. Good luck

(12-04-2014 12:50 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Does anyone else have herpes? How did you deal with this ? Are you still banging ? Anymore outbreaks ? Still spinning plates or LTR ? PM ME if you don't want to talk about it on the forum.

Yeah, for thirteen years. And hell yes I'm still spinning plates. I know what you're feeling though, remember when I got the news my doc was so calm and detached and I nearly passed out (very hung over and more at the time) and wanted to scream "How can you just sit there and say it like you're telling me it's a nice day outside!?!?"

Really and truly though, it is not a big deal. Nearly 20% of Americans have it (although more blacks and females by far, statistically speaking) and around 80% of Americans have oral herpes. It is basically a very occasional skin condition, I've had rashes that were more irritating.

As I've mentioned here before I've treated with BHT for ~10 years, pennies a day, and had I think 5 mild outbreaks since. I have given it to one other girl I was with for years although I have also had sex raw the night before I realized an outbreak was coming on - twice - and not given it to either of them. I credit BHT for that. Recently started Valtrex in the evenings and BHT in the AMs, no outbreaks since but that's less than 6 months ago.

BHT and valtrex both stress the liver so maybe look into milk thistle if you experience any adverse effects. (Side story - I think morning BHT has put my liver in overdrive. Going drink for drink with a breathalyzer I always blow lower than everyone by far, although if you take it right before drinking you will get more drunk). I also take and recommend a quality multivitamin and other supps twice a day, as well as a mixed tocopherol form of vitamin E with the BHT (both are fat soluble).

I have also fessed up to two girls about it, both several months into a relationship when an outbreak forced my hand, neither was phased at all. I sat next to them on the bed and phrased it as roughly "I need to tell you something. I have herpes and I've only had one outbreak before but I'm afraid I feel one coming on so we probably shouldn't have sex. I take something every day so you should be fine either way but I want you to be safe."

I do not tell women that I have it until I have to. 1 in 5 of them have it and I've been with a lot more than 5 and have yet to have a single one tell me they have it. I also still raw dog frequently. If you treat it transmission rates are negligible.

Good luck man, and really believe me when I say in the scheme of things there are much worse things to have, I rarely even think about it anymore.

^ kaotic

You need to think about your risk-filled behavior step back and get a new goal to keep you busy and focused.

Unwanted pregnancy then this after is a bad pattern.

This does not just happen to anyone like getting hit by an asteroid.

SO last night I had this super weird experience.. I banged this Jap girl on our second date and 10mins later when we are watching Youtube she starts crying... wtf... I asked her why and she didn't respond so I started making her laugh. Pretty sure she has a bf back in Japan, she's 2 weeks fresh in my city. Lots of Jap girls I've slept with here have had bfs back home, common occurrence. But this one didn't answer me so not sure. I ended up banging her again and she didn't cry lol.

How many girls have you rawdogged kaotic?

I'm going to go get checked out next time I visit the doctor..just incase

This is always a great reminder to wrap it up a lot of users on here just don't care at all.

Kaotic you are my hero.

I found something here

oneminuteherpescure.com

UPDATE:

Spoke to my main after work in a very calm and confident way. She got a tad bit teary eyed but relaxed after I told her some of the facts and told her she needs to get checked.

Also mentioned I've cleared up, been taking Valtrex, we'll use condoms ONLY when I've examined myself and its gone. I'll be going to the docs to get a full panel and understand my options for minimializing the effects.

I looked at her straight in the eye and asked if she'd be with anyone else that I should know about and she looked me right back and said no. I also told her "hey at least I'm not bsing, up and leaving you, or lying to you, I'm being straight up"

She smiled and agreed said thank you and she's going to be ok with it. I never really grab her hand and hold it, but I did right after I said that, she held my hand and she smiled.

So now that I've got my main on board, next is chilling out for a awhile, then reevaluating my life and then reevaluating how I close a girl (with a fucking condom), obviously I'll be learning all over again from players who have it.

This isn't stopping me BUT this IS a wake up call.

Take heed players, pay attention, and most of all, wrap up !

(12-04-2014 11:43 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 12:50 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Does anyone else have herpes? How did you deal with this ? Are you still banging ? Anymore outbreaks ? Still spinning plates or LTR ? PM ME if you don't want to talk about it on the forum.

Yeah, for thirteen years. And hell yes I'm still spinning plates. I know what you're feeling though, remember when I got the news my doc was so calm and detached and I nearly passed out (very hung over and more at the time) and wanted to scream "How can you just sit there and say it like you're telling me it's a nice day outside!?!?"

Really and truly though, it is not a big deal. Nearly 20% of Americans have it (although more blacks and females by far, statistically speaking) and around 80% of Americans have oral herpes. It is basically a very occasional skin condition, I've had rashes that were more irritating.

As I've mentioned here before I've treated with BHT for ~10 years, pennies a day, and had I think 5 mild outbreaks since. I have given it to one other girl I was with for years although I have also had sex raw the night before I realized an outbreak was coming on - twice - and not given it to either of them. I credit BHT for that. Recently started Valtrex in the evenings and BHT in the AMs, no outbreaks since but that's less than 6 months ago.

BHT and valtrex both stress the liver so maybe look into milk thistle if you experience any adverse effects. (Side story - I think morning BHT has put my liver in overdrive. Going drink for drink with a breathalyzer I always blow lower than everyone by far, although if you take it right before drinking you will get more drunk). I also take and recommend a quality multivitamin and other supps twice a day, as well as a mixed tocopherol form of vitamin E with the BHT (both are fat soluble).

I have also fessed up to two girls about it, both several months into a relationship when an outbreak forced my hand, neither was phased at all. I sat next to them on the bed and phrased it as roughly "I need to tell you something. I have herpes and I've only had one outbreak before but I'm afraid I feel one coming on so we probably shouldn't have sex. I take something every day so you should be fine either way but I want you to be safe."

I do not tell women that I have it until I have to. 1 in 5 of them have it and I've been with a lot more than 5 and have yet to have a single one tell me they have it. I also still raw dog frequently. If you treat it transmission rates are negligible.

Good luck man, and really believe me when I say in the scheme of things there are much worse things to have, I rarely even think about it anymore.

Lot of good information here, I'll be PM'ing you soon dude, thanks man !

(12-05-2014 12:40 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  ^ kaotic

You need to think about your risk-filled behavior step back and get a new goal to keep you busy and focused.

Unwanted pregnancy then this after is a bad pattern.

This does not just happen to anyone like getting hit by an asteroid.

I agree as well, I'm gonna freeze out for a bit, although I do a feel a bit more twinge of being loyal to my main whose sticking with me.

(12-05-2014 05:47 AM)Valhalla Wrote:  How many girls have you rawdogged kaotic?

I'm going to go get checked out next time I visit the doctor..just incase

This is always a great reminder to wrap it up a lot of users on here just don't care at all.

Quite a few, I'll be releasing a 1 year follow up report towards the end of this month for you guys to read.

Absolutely get checked, I know "fearless rawdogger" is awesome but, sometimes dogs get put down.

Please wrap your shit up guys.

(12-05-2014 06:58 AM)playharder123 Wrote:  Kaotic you are my hero.

I found something here

oneminuteherpescure.com

I'm no hero man, I'm a lesson for all you guys out there who don't want to get an abortion or an STD. Wrap up man.

That link is to a paid e-book, i'm not sure if it looks legit. I'll take a look into it.

Best of luck Kaotic. Hope it all works out.

Since we're on the subject - I was catching up on some news and this was on the sidebar - Study: New way to hold back herpes, keep the virus latent. This article is new although it seems they've been experimenting with it for a few years. Several new approaches to controlling the virus, both drugs and vaccines. Feeling adventurous? It seems that any drug which inhibits MAO will have the same LSD1 inhibiting effect, although the study mentioned below used tranylcypomine - http://www.nature.com/scibx/journal/v2/n....1683.html

MAO inhibitors can have undesirable interactions with a great many substances, including dairy products. There have been a number of deaths over the years from people mixing them with ecstasy I know, and probably other drugs as well. Use with care!

Quote:Chances are, you’ve got herpes, I’ve got herpes, we’ve all got herpes.

Studies find that by age 60, virtually all adults carry herpes simplex virus 1 — best known for seeping cold sores but also potentially blinding when it hits the eyes. Herpes simplex virus 2, the sexually transmitted disease, infects more than a quarter of people by their forties, the CDC says.

While anti-viral medications can help, there is no cure for herpes viruses. Their wily ways of going latent between recurrences, hiding out in viral reservoirs in our bodies, make them supremely hard to eradicate.

So it’s welcome news that a study just out in the journal Science Translational Medicine describes a whole new strategy for beating down herpes viruses and keeping them down — at least in mice, rabbits and guinea pigs.

Far fewer of the mice died or had virus spreading throughout their bodies.
It’s a tactic that researchers say may also hold promise for attacking HIV, another virus whose habit of hiding out makes it hard to kill, and the herpes zoster virus that causes excruciating shingles.

The new method hinges on epigenetics — specifically, protein “packages” that determine how genes are turned off and on.

For a herpes virus to go from a latent state to an active state, it needs to unpackage or unbundle its genes so they can be “turned on” and begin to replicate and spread. But, the researchers found, if they block an enzyme called LSD1, those genes tend to stay bundled up and inactive.

It’s as if the viral DNA encoding the genes needed to reactivate the virus naturally carries a “Don’t open me!” sign on it, says the paper’s senior author, Dr. Thomas M. Kristie. The LSD1 enzyme can remove that sign. But block the enzyme and the “Don’t open me!” sign stays up.

“The primary point of the paper is that you can epigenetically suppress a viral infection, and specifically, viruses that cause persistent infections,” says Kristie, chief of the Molecular Genetics Section of the Laboratory of Viral Diseases at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

Herpes viruses are best known for causing cold sores and genital lesions but they can also affect the eye, potentially leading to blindness. (Photo: Wikimedia Commons)
Herpes viruses are best known for causing cold sores and genital lesions but they can also affect the eye, potentially leading to blindness. Shown here: An eyelid infection. (Photo: Wikimedia Commons)

To block that key LSD1 enzyme, the researchers used an existing antidepressant, called tranylcypromine. As it happens, tranylcypromine also blocks LSD1.

The antidepressant offers proof of concept, researchers say, but if the new method is eventually used on human patients, it’s likely to be in the form of new drugs developed specifically to act on LSD1.

The paper reports that this new, epigenetic method appears effective at several stages of herpes infections:

• In mice used as a model for herpes transmission at birth, far fewer of the mice died or had virus spreading throughout their bodies.

• Among rabbits infected with herpetic keratitis — the herpes infection of the eye — far fewer had recurrences and there was far less “shedding” of the virus, which is how it’s usually transmitted.

“With herpetic keratitis, what happens is you get a small amount of the virus reactivating from latency, but that also causes an immune response and inflammation, that then contributes to the ocular disease,” Kristie says. “So if you block that, then you have much better control of the herpetic disease. And this drug does that much better than pharmaceuticals that are out there now.”

• Guinea pigs infected with genital herpes also showed a far lower level of lesion recurrences.

“The interesting thing about each of these model systems is that then, in the animals that are treated, if we look at what the viral genome looks like, we see that it’s all packaged up tightly,” Kristie says. “It was not able to unpackage, and that’s why you have reduced disease, reduced shedding and reduced recurrences.”

Researchers are also trying to fight persistent viruses like HIV by trying to activate the virus; then they attack it with drugs or hope the immune system will clear it from the body.

But herpes viruses are reactivated in nerve cells, so they can potentially cause damage to the nervous system when they kick back up, says Harvard Medical School’s Dr. David Knipe, chair of the Harvard Program in Virology and a co-author on the new paper.

“So this is the alternative approach, to lock in the latency,” he says.

Yet another approach is in the works: a vaccine. Knipe was involved in developing a genital herpes vaccine that Harvard licensed to the pharmaceutical company Sanofi-Pasteur and that is now in initial safety trials at the National Institutes of Health.

It uses a genetically engineered strain of the virus, he says, that can produce an infectious virus only in special cells in the laboratory.

“But when it goes into normal cells in the body, it goes just partway through the replication cycle and then stops,” Knipe says. “It makes a lot of viral proteins that can induce immune responses, but not spread to other cells to cause disease.”

The vaccine is meant to build immunity in people who have not yet caught the virus, but it may also work to suppress the virus somewhat in people who are already infected, Knipe says.

“We would hope that it would,” he says, “but it’s not going to cure the infection. It’s going to induce a strong enough immune response to combat the virus any time it starts to reactivate.”

How soon might the epigenetic approach described in the new paper be tried in humans? Both Kristie and Knipe declined to speculate. But Knipe says he has been thinking that it might first be tried in patients with recurrent herpes viruses that attack the eyes and can damage the cornea, leading to blindness.

Kristie says he hopes the paper will stimulate HIV and other virus researchers to explore similar methods, and he sees potential spillover from cancer drugs that target epigenetics into other fields — like virus research.

“It is a whole new avenue, and it is a very aggressive area of research in terms of development of these compounds that target these different classes of epigenetic enzymes,” he says.

dupe

That's it. I'm done with any kind of day time date as a first date.

Went for a Sunday afternoon drink with a girl I met at the club the other Friday night (bit of a make out in the club, didn't get that far as her fat cock blocking friend "had to go home") and I don't know if its just me but I find that the girls just aren't that open to escalation when it's day time.
Had a great convo, built lots of rapport but the green lights for escalation just weren't there. I find this then puts me off my game when I'm not getting much positive feedback. Ended up with a goodbye kiss but that's it.

This is the 3rd girl I've gone on a day time first date with and they've all turned out the same way, great conversation but bugger all kino/escalation. So I'm done with them.

^ same

Thinking of Christmas gift ideas for my main girl.

Leaning towards a $7 barbie knockoff that looks like her.

(12-07-2014 05:07 PM)Roardog Wrote:  That's it. I'm done with any kind of day time date as a first date.

Went for a Sunday afternoon drink with a girl I met at the club the other Friday night (bit of a make out in the club, didn't get that far as her fat cock blocking friend "had to go home") and I don't know if its just me but I find that the girls just aren't that open to escalation when it's day time.
Had a great convo, built lots of rapport but the green lights for escalation just weren't there. I find this then puts me off my game when I'm not getting much positive feedback. Ended up with a goodbye kiss but that's it.

This is the 3rd girl I've gone on a day time first date with and they've all turned out the same way, great conversation but bugger all kino/escalation. So I'm done with them.

Sunday day dates are killer man! I love scheduling a chick for coffee around 11:30am and then work my magic.

11:30 - meet for coffee, exchange pleasantries and simple boring fluff talk (how was your week? how was the drive in? etc)

11:35 - Leave the coffee shop for either: A.) a walk by the river if the weather is decent or B.) A walk in the art museum a block away from the coffee shop.

12:30 - coffees are done around here, I bounce to a "restaurant" for a small lunch soup. She never denies, because after all my only motive to go there is to get soup.

12:40 - soup is on the table, along with a nice cold beer. She gives me some shit for ordering a beer at noon. I make a joke about even the religious freaks drinking wine on the day of the lord. I tell her not to worry, I'll get the first round of drinks. She orders a drink.

2-3pm - Our "soup" adventure has turned into about 2 hours of day drinking. I've ran standard first date game and dropped some bait to get her interested in some projects of mine. I tell her to come check them out at my apartment, afterall my apartment is right upstairs from the bar were at, funny how that worked out.

3pm - shes in my apartment, watching a video I made or something like that. I offer her another drink, this is one of the make or break moments of the date. If she accepts the drink, I know I'll be banging with another hour. If she doesn't, normally because she has to drive, I make fun of her calling her a lightweight and bring up the fact its only 3pm. <----- this is why I start early, so we can be nice and tipsy early enough in the day for her to sober up and drive home later.

3:30pm - making out.
4:00 pm - banging.

6:00pm - shes out after two hours or so to sober up.

It doesnt work everytime, but the girls that do have a beer with me at 12:30 are normally having my cock by 4:00pm. If they aren't up for the drink, I try to get them up to my place anyways. If they aren't going up to my place, I end the date. My investment was a coffee, a beer or two, and a small cup of soup.

same coffee shop every time. same walk/art museum every time. same restaurant/bar every time.

Extremely pissed.

I was on a 4-day dry spell and brought home a solid 9/10 (Thai chick). Everything a perfect girl could have, but non-virgin and no job so not suitable for GF material. Huge LMR, 1 hour of LMR, but finally vainquished it. Take off her panties, start rubbing my dick against her pussy (still my boxers on), and the worst thing that can happen to a man happens: out of excitation, I fucking cum in my underwear.
I defeated all that LMR for nothing. At least we have a second meetup Wesnesday.

1) Jeleous of your 4-day dry spell.

For me two weeks becomes straight up painful, and because of having recently moved city again and having been working like a dog, I've well surpassed this. Included three dates where the girls were warm but couldn't convert for a variety of reasons. I'm surprised I'm not livid.

2) I've never busted that quick, but sometimes its been a 5 minute job. In that case I usually just make it clear "we're not done here". I hop off, shower quickly, then go back to foreplay and then round 2 with her. As long as you don't give her time to cool down, she is always fine with it.

Someone scratched my car and left me a note with their phone number on it. It's definitely a girl from the writing.

How do I leverage this to bang her? I have no idea what she looks like and never met her.

(12-09-2014 09:17 AM)Valhalla Wrote:  Someone scratched my car and left me a note with their phone number on it. It's definitely a girl from the writing.

How do I leverage this to bang her? I have no idea what she looks like and never met her.

Baby steps man...

1) Find out who she is. She might not be attractive and all that jazz...
2) Tell her she was a very good girl by leaving you her phone number... However you still need to punish her.. lol

(12-09-2014 01:16 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  1) Jeleous of your 4-day dry spell.

For me two weeks becomes straight up painful, and because of having recently moved city again and having been working like a dog, I've well surpassed this. Included three dates where the girls were warm but couldn't convert for a variety of reasons. I'm surprised I'm not livid.

2) I've never busted that quick, but sometimes its been a 5 minute job. In that case I usually just make it clear "we're not done here". I hop off, shower quickly, then go back to foreplay and then round 2 with her. As long as you don't give her time to cool down, she is always fine with it.

If it's been a while since I've had a bang and I'm going on a date I always rub one out before hand to make sure I don't blow too quick if I get her home.
It's always disappointing and a little embarrassing if you can't hold off for a decent bang session. Plus it's a waste of your time and effort if you can't have a good bang.

Sometimes I meet chicks that on paper seem great; lots of quality sex, feminine, good looks etc. but I just don't "feel" them. Like this chinese chick that i banged a few times: she was a solid 7 and i enjoyed the sex with her, but there was missing something that was present in my previous LTRs... maybe it was the way she smelled or something, but banging her after 2 different occasions already made me dread her company.

Then there is one of my current plates... she wants a relationship REALLY BAD. She hints at it all the time like "I wanna be with you so bad" etc. Again on paper she seems very solid candidate for a LTR, but very often I would rather stay at home and jerk off than have sex with her. Last night she came over and it was the first time i didn't have sex with her when we met up. I just didn't feel like it.

And lastly there is this chick that is maybe a 6 or 6.5 and for some reason she just fires up my dick like none of my plates and I'm actually hoping she would move closer to me so we could meet up more often.

Why am I more attracted to a lesser looking girl? I think it might have something to do with sex: while the chinese and my better looking plate were always willing to please me and they did whatever i told them to, for some reason I still had the feeling that they did not enjoy the sex. Hell, my current plate comes everytime we have sex and she moans loudly, but she doesn't seem to be that passionate about sex as I am.

On the other hand this 6-6.5 just seems to be way more sexual... We were at a bar some time ago and she was excited to have sex in the toilet and when I passed out on the bed she was not having it and woke me up to grind her ass against my dick. When I even think about I just wanna hop in a car and drive over there and bury my dick inside of that pussy.