(12-19-2014 01:22 PM)alex3948 Wrote:  I believe she wasn't into me right at the start, like no vibe. The initial plan was dinner and then go drink. I saw several red flags:

1) Bitching Thailand and describing how life is better in the States
2) Having numerous past lovers from different nationalities
3) Saying she will never date an Asian man
4) Making an excuse to bail in the middle of the evening (it was obvious she was lying)

When I got the message on Line, I just didn't even bother responding, not even a "K".

In short, totally Americanized lady. Like an American girl in a Thai body.

Fuck that, as soon as she started complaining I would've cut the dinner short right then and there, if she asked why I'd tell her exactly why, I don't deal with girls who just bitch about things on first dates/meetups. I don't stand for BS like that, especially if a girl ever whips out her phone on a date.

Fuck her, let her be a victim of the wall spinster.

why are you having dinner on a first date anyways

Alex have you read the forum at all?

We've emphasized maybe hundreds of times that you should never take a girl to dinner on the first date for exactly this reason. Meet her for a drink so that you can suss out cheaply and quickly whether she is a cunt or fat or a prude or weird and therefore unbangable.

I don't understand why so many guys hang around the forum but then fail to apply even the fundamental lessons and techniques that are laid out here that have been learned from hard experience.

(12-19-2014 08:41 PM)MrXY Wrote:  Alex have you read the forum at all?

We've emphasized maybe hundreds of times that you should never take a girl to dinner on the first date for exactly this reason. Meet her for a drink so that you can suss out cheaply and quickly whether she is a cunt or fat or a prude or weird and therefore unbangable.

I don't understand why so many guys hang around the forum but then fail to apply even the fundamental lessons and techniques that are laid out here that have been learned from hard experience.

Exactly.

When I got out of my 7 year LTR and swallowed the red pill that is the first thing I took on board. Haven't gone a dinner date with a girl I haven't slept with since.
I don't think you should do any kind of investment date before you've banged the girl. It's just not worth it.

^ I think you guys are right, dinner dates are going to be a thing of the past.

I have a few dates scheduled for next week, none of them involving dinner. I haven't done dinner dates for a while, I gave it a try, and got friendzoned.

Lesson earned.

Stay as far away from the provider role as possible...

It's an impossible stench to get rid of once it's on you

You want to be that cool, fun guy to whom the traditional rules of dating don't apply

Agreed to what has been said in the last few posts, Few years back I wasn't able to attract girls and with game Improvement I was getting them hooked but was going on dinner dates and was nice to girls. They were wanting me meet their families, friends and if not possible take pictures with me to show it to their friends. even the ones who were attracted to me put me on long term track, i realized they are seeing me as a provider and I wasn't getting sex quickly.

With some adjustments, I started going on drink dates instead of dinner dates, and being more aggressive, little bit of an Asshole and aloof and that yielded better results.

Game on Players .......

I'm having a personal debate; how much effort and time is a virgin worth?

This girl is 20, drop-dead gorgeous, and is very interested in me. She drinks and will make out, but has never had sex. She would provide nice consistency if I can crack her, but don't know if it's worth it. The general consensus here believes it is not worth it, because the sex isn't good anyways. I think I'll see how it plays out.

Today at work a girl (6) I've been chatting with says she's leaving, so as i'd probably never see her again I go for her number.

So What I do is next time I see her I say we should keep in contact, I then ask her if she knows her number by memory and then ask her to get a piece of paper from the till write her number down and give it to me. She says OK.

My reasoning for doing this is that she has to actively want me to have the number rather than her not wanting to be rude and reject me to my face and i'd rather have no number than a number that doesn't lead anywhere.

Well in the end she doesn't give me her number for whatever reason (also time and getting me the number wasn't an issue). In the end however i'm not really bothered as i'd rather get rejected than not even try and get the number.

So do you guys think I played this one well?
Would you guys have done anything different?

dude....just get her number and relax. You said yourself...she's a "6"....you are asking her to invest too much into you.

It's like saying "oh I don't arrange dates....I just wait for girls to make dates that way I know they're really interested."

Hypothesis: OP is putting pussy on a pedestal

Data collected: OP posts multiple paragraphs in RVF Players Lounge then copies and pastes it to CMQF Players Lounge.

Conclusion: Hypothesis is 100% correct

Keysersoze, if you are looking for a ONS, cracking a virgin is probably not worth it, it will take a while before you get good sex, and it will cost you money and effort and insane amounts of LMR to get in her pants.

Virgins make good brides and LTR material, but for ONS, not worth it IMO

At a spot right now. My boy is driving. Nary a fuckable bitch in sight. Just going to enjoy this beer and contemplate where I went wrong in life

removed

Downtown Zagreb, on the Winter Solstice. December 21st.

It's +12 degrees Celsius and there's nary a snowflake on the ground. Clear sunny day - except for the chilly breeze it almost looks like it could be summer.

I'm walking around the centre square of Zagreb with sunglasses on (sunglasses! in late December!), admiring all the talent that's on offer.

I have to admire as much of the Euro-pussy as I can before I head back to cold, snowy Canada and deal with shitty Anglo cunts,

Merry Christmas to me

HSLD

Nail one extra and think of us.

Jesus Christ IDK what I was thinking Friday night, had an old old plate come over, jesus she put on weight, I felt disgusted after I was done with her, and now she's all on my dick after alot sexting before we even met up.

I'm been a funk the last month with new notches, especially with all the shit that happened. My body is almost recovered but now come the holiday stretch.

All I'm trying to do is get at least one notch before the new year.

Had a ugly sweater party I went to and this girl and some friends wanted to know why I was called the Tinder King. I explained swiping strategies, logistics, openers, the meet, the bang.

I usually send out SnapChats of a new notch so the guys were laughing and backing me up. Everyone was surprised that I could game that many and pretty decent and high closer rate of bang/date. I feel like I dropped some red pill knowledge on this beta friend of mine.

When a buddy asked how many girls we banged, I gave my number, and he gave his answer "0" <--I looked at him with a wtf. Hopefully he learned something.

I REALLY have to start day gaming and approaching more, but it's fucking hard to go around to an area with foot traffic during lunch or after work.

I'm at a bit of a crossroads of sorts at the moment. Because I just plain old don't have the motivation to chase after any girls that aren't my ideal. I don't have the time, patience, or energy to invest in girls that I feel, at best, lukewarm about.

All these conscious little things I have to do to make sure I "maintain frame" or "pass her shit tests" or whatever the fuck - I'm at a certain point where it's like, are these girls even worth it?

Although my eyes have been opened to the male/female dynamic, and the state of Western dating, part of me still holds out hope that somewhere out there, there is a girl who is worth all of this.

All that being said, I don't believe in marriage and am not in the mood for an exclusive relationship.

I guess, more so an open relationship with a super cool chick who I have great chemistry with, with the option later on down the line to become exclusive and see what happens.

Meh.

Just double-booked 2 chicks for tomorrow, I estimated their flake chance at 50% so better not take any risk.

Xmas Holiday Text:

Great follow up on dead leads/old plates/old leads that never went anywhere.

You NEED Emoji's for this but it works and is a sexualized text (see picture)

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If they say wtf is that say "it's santa jingling his balls on mrs. claus duh !"

Usually elicits a laugh or a funny response, if there's no reply it gives you the benefit of easily deleting them from the top of your texts.

If they respond positively, strike while the iron is hot and try to hangout with them asap or right after Xmas.

So far I've gotten 8/13 replies back.
2 hot leads I'm trying to hangout with asap.
1 is "dating" someone
2 lukewarm responses

Better than nothing !
Get at it gents !

(12-21-2014 01:03 AM)alex3948 Wrote:  Keysersoze, if you are looking for a ONS, cracking a virgin is probably not worth it, it will take a while before you get good sex, and it will cost you money and effort and insane amounts of LMR to get in her pants.

Virgins make good brides and LTR material, but for ONS, not worth it IMO

My line of thinking was (and still is) that I'd like some consistency. Don't get me wrong, I'd still game on and continue with one night stands. But consistent sober sex and someone to kinda fall back on sounds very enticing.

However, we've hung out again... I didn't get too deep into anything with her and I hate her personality. She doesn't stop talking about herself, claims to be the most popular human being on the planet, and thinks she "runs" our city. I left her at her party last Friday and she said, "you missed out on the best party of the year". Yeah fucking right. I can't stand her narcissistic and egocentric personality.

Wow. Writing this helped me put things into perspective. Pulling the plug on this chick. She's drop-dead gorgeous and I gave it a chance, but I can't stand her and we've only been talking for two weeks.

So yesterday when I booked today's date, I told her I was inviting her for drinks (my friend owns the venue and we drink for free), and she showed up with her male cousin, saying "he will spend the evening with us". I told her this is the summum of disrespect and she has to leave right now. She didn't understand why, but I do.

So chilling with my friend and having lunch waiting for the next lady.

Pretty sure one of the trainers at my gym is into me.

She started talking to me a couple of weeks back when my calf cramped using the lying down leg curl, asking me if I was OK. We had a nice convo and a laugh but I didn't try for the number or anything as I'm wary of misreading the signs and creating an awkward situation somewhere I spend a lot of time. I ended the convo by going back to my workout.
Since then every time I see her at the gym which is usually a couple of times a week she smiles and waves. Most times I've had my headphones in and I acknowledge but I don't really encourage any further engagement as I'm in the middle of my workout.
Last Friday she was on the front desk and engaged me in a chat when I was on my way out asking me what I was up to, which was going to my work Xmas party. I ended the convo quickly as I was running late for said party.
Then today same thing, she is on the front desk and she engages me in conversation. Asking me how my Christmas party was, what I'm doing for Christmas, tells me what she is up to. Even tells me a bit about her family and childhood. At this point in any other situation I'd see this as a tonne of IOI's and be asking for her number to catch up. However given that she works at my gym I'm concerned she could just be being pleasant.
Plus, despite being a trainer, she is only a 6, so I'm not sure if worth the risk when I pump and dump.
What do you guys think?

Going from Zagreb now to third-tier Croatia.

I've been with my family the entire time so doing any gaming has been a no-go for me.

There's one Croatian girl here in the city where I am now who I've known for years who grew up in the States (Florida, go figure) and is really cute (8 body, 7 face), but damn it, she always has a boyfriend and excess boy drama to boot.

This city truly is a shithole haha. Gonna enjoy talent-spotting while I can.

HSLD

Stayed at my ex's place for the second night in a row, after having to go back for my watch that I left the first night. Somehow, we get on the topic of sugar babies/daddies, and she talks about some "friends" that she knows that have done those sites. Then she proceeds to spout some bullshit about her friends telling her how she could make $10k per month on Seeking Arrangement and similar sites. Best pussy I've had in a while, but she's a 31 year old 6.5 that usually cakes on the makeup.

On my phone right now, but insert gif of Michael Jordan laughing at the prospect of some dude paying $10k+ per month for non exclusive access to that well worn snatch.