Invite this chick out first meet up at a brewery

"Hmm i might be down"
"Doesn't give me an answer"
"I'll go but I won't drink"

.....what's even the point of going then?

Responses:
Let me guess you don't drink beer?
You're a cocktail/wine kind of girl aren't you?
Why?
Well guess we'll gonto church then (sarcasm)

OR

Hey sorry I made plans with a friend, maybe next time?


This is a total shit test I think.

Sounds like a shit test to me.

Silence may work.

Do you care if she doesn't drink?
If you think you'll need a couple in her then I'd follow up with "not a beer kind of girl?" and see why she won't drink.

I had this a couple of times when I went on dates with young girls and they had to drive and so couldn't drink (can't drink during your first 3 years of driving in Australia). Still managed to bang them.

I don't ever usually drink by myself during a date.

I just sent her the " not a beer kind of girl?"

Im already headed home, she's a horrible texter just like I am.

I'll probably just next this girl.

girls have been shit testing my tinder lines with:


whats your success rate with that line

how many girls have you used that on

do you tell that to all the girls

you guys got any good counters?

they're all very similar but I haven't had a good witty line to counter these.

(11-12-2014 12:56 AM)Valhalla Wrote:  girls have been shit testing my tinder lines with:


whats your success rate with that line
"I never kiss and tell"OR
"I never tinder and tell about it later
how many girls have you used that on
"I don't keep a spreadsheet of that sort of thing
OR
i've lost track
do you tell that to all the girls
only on tinder
you guys got any good counters?

they're all very similar but I haven't had a good witty line to counter these.

youre welcome.

the fact that they are responding is a good sign, just keep on the conversations on point

I like all these and used something similar but i think it it plays into their frame and confirms(although in a silly way) that their frame is accurate. I've tried pressure flipping to some success.

Thanks a lot eradicator, you're always very helpful.

(11-11-2014 07:20 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  What do you guys think? Maybe one day I will quit fucking these things up.

Why did you think telling her you would call her later on Friday and then going radio silent until the day you had discussed possibly meeting up was a good idea. That was entirely you're fuck up, nothing really to do with her. She's probably on the fence about you, otherwise she might've reached out.

(11-11-2014 09:16 PM)Roardog Wrote:  You're still in it so just try and schedule another time for later in the week and this time don't end the conversation without locking in the day. Leave the details for confirming on the day, but at least confirm that yes, X day we are meeting up.

Poor advice. Lock in the date and time, tell her to put it on her calendar and wear skirt/heels. Double-book another girl for an hour later and cancel on the other chick if this one shows.

(11-12-2014 01:58 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 09:16 PM)Roardog Wrote:  You're still in it so just try and schedule another time for later in the week and this time don't end the conversation without locking in the day. Leave the details for confirming on the day, but at least confirm that yes, X day we are meeting up.

Poor advice. Lock in the date and time, tell her to put it on her calendar and wear skirt/heels. Double-book another girl for an hour later and cancel on the other chick if this one shows.

I can see your point but the whole idea of leaving the fine details i.e. X time at X place, to the day is it's a reason to touch base with them on the day to confirm attendance, without coming across as Beta. I've never had a chick flake on me using this method.
I know you're covering that by scheduling girl 2 an hour later but I've never been a fan of that tactic.

Background:
Met this girl out at a bar ~2 weeks ago. We were vibing real well. I isolated her from her friends, she was under my arm whole night, kissed her, etc. I thought the SNL was a shoe-in but she rejected the offer to come back to my place due to an early morning commitment, and when I suggested her place (which was closer) she had some lame excuse. When the night ended she repeatedly told me to call her. I started texting her the following night.

Sunday
Me: Hey <name> its <my name> hows it going?
Her: Hey <my name> I'm good. <some attempt at humor I didn't get> . How are you?
Me: pretty good. u wanna grab drinks tuesday at 830?
Her: Sure where do you want to go?
Me: <location here>
Her: Sounds good. Can you do 8?
Me: ya i think i can swing that. cya then!

Tuesday
Her: Hey I'm leaving work now to go home and sleep. Bad head cold, not pretty. Thought I could power through but am going to have to reschedule tonight, I'm sorry!
Me: hm ok. maybe we can try next week
Her: That sounds good I'm hoping this goes away soon.

Saturday
Me: hey hows it going (I was gonna try to set up plans here, possibly for Sat night)
Her: Hey alright, still sick though. How are you?
Me: im pretty good...sucks about the sickness. you still want to grab a drink sometime? (ya ya, I'm not assuming the sale here. I figured the sickness thing was likely BS so I wanted to just not play games and give her an easy out)
Her: Yes, I hope this goes away soon. Having a fun weekend? (so she's still down...)
Me: pretty good pretty good. <mentioned something I did over the weekend>. I'm free tues and thurs next week so maybe we can figure something out

Monday
Me: drinks tmrw at 8?
Her: I've got a conference, Thursday?
Me: ya lets do it. same place as before
Her: Sounds good!

Wednesday
Her: So i just went to the docter. I've got bronchitis. I assume you do not also want bronchitis so I am going to cancel tomorrow again. I'm sorry.



I gotta be honest, I'm pretty confused as to what to do here. I've had girls drop the "I'm sick sorry!" excuse on me before, but they pretty much never respond to future texts. I believe there's a pretty good chance she's actually sick, and maybe a slight chance she's just using me for validation.


What do I do here? I'm thinking I have these options:
1. NEXT - Seems premature. I'd like to hang with this chick. Maybe if she was less attractive.
2. Proceed the same way I did first time she "flaked" - Comes off a little needy/boring
3. "ok why dont you just let me know when youre not sick" - I can avoid coming off as needy here, but putting the ball in the girl's court almost always means she won't get back to me.
4. Some joke to keep the energy up ("Are you kidding? I LOVE bronchitis") - Could backfire if she doesn't feel it, but the longer it takes to meet up, the less energy there is between us and the less likely my chances are.

redonion, text back 'k' for now, then just try again in a week, you are overthinking.

^^ what he said.

People get sick, it happens. If she wasn't interested she wouldn't be responding.

(11-12-2014 01:58 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 07:20 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  What do you guys think? Maybe one day I will quit fucking these things up.

Why did you think telling her you would call her later on Friday and then going radio silent until the day you had discussed possibly meeting up was a good idea. That was entirely you're fuck up, nothing really to do with her. She's probably on the fence about you, otherwise she might've reached out.

(11-11-2014 09:16 PM)Roardog Wrote:  You're still in it so just try and schedule another time for later in the week and this time don't end the conversation without locking in the day. Leave the details for confirming on the day, but at least confirm that yes, X day we are meeting up.

Poor advice. Lock in the date and time, tell her to put it on her calendar and wear skirt/heels. Double-book another girl for an hour later and cancel on the other chick if this one shows.

(11-12-2014 04:19 PM)Roardog Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 01:58 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 09:16 PM)Roardog Wrote:  You're still in it so just try and schedule another time for later in the week and this time don't end the conversation without locking in the day. Leave the details for confirming on the day, but at least confirm that yes, X day we are meeting up.

Poor advice. Lock in the date and time, tell her to put it on her calendar and wear skirt/heels. Double-book another girl for an hour later and cancel on the other chick if this one shows.

I can see your point but the whole idea of leaving the fine details i.e. X time at X place, to the day is it's a reason to touch base with them on the day to confirm attendance, without coming across as Beta. I've never had a chick flake on me using this method.
I know you're covering that by scheduling girl 2 an hour later but I've never been a fan of that tactic.

Your right. I dont know why I did that. I guess this was my attempt at being aloof. Anyway I texted her tonight just to open her again. With how did your new job go. There was no response. She was pretty keen on hanging out with me and getting right to the fucking.

Now I dont know. Does not look good. Not going to worry about it. But I need to get better at what I present to women.

(11-12-2014 04:19 PM)Roardog Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 01:58 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 09:16 PM)Roardog Wrote:  You're still in it so just try and schedule another time for later in the week and this time don't end the conversation without locking in the day. Leave the details for confirming on the day, but at least confirm that yes, X day we are meeting up.

Poor advice. Lock in the date and time, tell her to put it on her calendar and wear skirt/heels. Double-book another girl for an hour later and cancel on the other chick if this one shows.

I can see your point but the whole idea of leaving the fine details i.e. X time at X place, to the day is it's a reason to touch base with them on the day to confirm attendance, without coming across as Beta. I've never had a chick flake on me using this method.
I know you're covering that by scheduling girl 2 an hour later but I've never been a fan of that tactic.

Been covered many times, but if you send a text like "hey I am leaving now, should get there on time or maybe a few minutes late", i don't think that is beta, it is just good texting. if they don't respond, don't go.

(11-12-2014 01:58 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 07:20 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  What do you guys think? Maybe one day I will quit fucking these things up.

Why did you think telling her you would call her later on Friday and then going radio silent until the day you had discussed possibly meeting up was a good idea. That was entirely you're fuck up, nothing really to do with her. She's probably on the fence about you, otherwise she might've reached out.

(11-11-2014 09:16 PM)Roardog Wrote:  You're still in it so just try and schedule another time for later in the week and this time don't end the conversation without locking in the day. Leave the details for confirming on the day, but at least confirm that yes, X day we are meeting up.

Poor advice. Lock in the date and time, tell her to put it on her calendar and wear skirt/heels. Double-book another girl for an hour later and cancel on the other chick if this one shows.

So update on this one. I texted her last night just said:

"How is your new job going?"

I heard nothing until this morning then she replied with:

"I did not take the job, still interviewing."

This is interesting because she has been coyly pushing to meetup for sex, but I think she is still a little butthurt but still replying after long wait. So she is still in the game.
I am at a convention in town next to hers about 1.5 hours away.
I am going to text her this let me know what you think?

"I am at a convention at ____ this week...be here through saturday...we should get together...drinks tonight lots of crazy fun...mimosas in the morning"

Let me know what you guys think.

(11-13-2014 12:07 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  So update on this one. I texted her last night just said:

"How is your new job going?"

I heard nothing until this morning then she replied with:

"I did not take the job, still interviewing."

This is interesting because she has been coyly pushing to meetup for sex, but I think she is still a little butthurt but still replying after long wait. So she is still in the game.
I am at a convention in town next to hers about 1.5 hours away.
I am going to text her this let me know what you think?

"I am at a convention at ____ this week...be here through saturday...we should get together...drinks tonight lots of crazy fun...mimosas in the morning"

Let me know what you guys think.

Are you a job interviewer? Your dialogue with her is boring. It does not spark her imagination, it does not draw intrigue, it doesn't get her wet.

I see two options here:

Option A - Get on Tinder or any of the dating sites and find a lead to meet you for a drink in the lobby of your hotel room (I assume it's reasonably nice?). Double and triple book if you can. Game women at the conference.

Option B - Option A + when you get to your hotel room send her a picture of you suited up in the mirror but with your shirt open/partially unbuttoned, tie in hand, with the bed or the bathroom (if it's especially swank) in the background with one of two texts:

Text 1 - This is the slight humor option, "Do you know how to tie a tie?" (obviously she'll know that you don't need her help to just tie the tie)

Text 2 - "I bet this tie would look sexy wrapped tightly around your..." or something even more imaginative. Think fifty shades of grey but without it being really graphic (women love to fill in the blanks as much as we like to fill them).

To this day the best memory I have of my second girlfriend is her lit up by the soft lighting in the hotel room at the Four Seasons. She was on all fours on the bed and I had her blindfolded with nothing but my tie loosely tied around her neck and a smile beaming across her face. Probably one of my most alpha moments back in my beta days.

(11-13-2014 02:33 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 12:07 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  So update on this one. I texted her last night just said:

"How is your new job going?"

I heard nothing until this morning then she replied with:

"I did not take the job, still interviewing."

This is interesting because she has been coyly pushing to meetup for sex, but I think she is still a little butthurt but still replying after long wait. So she is still in the game.
I am at a convention in town next to hers about 1.5 hours away.
I am going to text her this let me know what you think?

"I am at a convention at ____ this week...be here through saturday...we should get together...drinks tonight lots of crazy fun...mimosas in the morning"

Let me know what you guys think.

Are you a job interviewer? Your dialogue with her is boring. It does not spark her imagination, it does not draw intrigue, it doesn't get her wet.

I see two options here:

Option A - Get on Tinder or any of the dating sites and find a lead to meet you for a drink in the lobby of your hotel room (I assume it's reasonably nice?). Double and triple book if you can. Game women at the conference.

Option B - Option A + when you get to your hotel room send her a picture of you suited up in the mirror but with your shirt open/partially unbuttoned, tie in hand, with the bed or the bathroom (if it's especially swank) in the background with one of two texts:

Text 1 - This is the slight humor option, "Do you know how to tie a tie?" (obviously she'll know that you don't need her help to just tie the tie)

Text 2 - "I bet this tie would look sexy wrapped tightly around your..." or something even more imaginative. Think fifty shades of grey but without it being really graphic (women love to fill in the blanks as much as we like to fill them).

To this day the best memory I have of my second girlfriend is her lit up by the soft lighting in the hotel room at the Four Seasons. She was on all fours on the bed and I had her blindfolded with nothing but my tie loosely tied around her neck and a smile beaming across her face. Probably one of my most alpha moments back in my beta days.

Dude thanks for the advice. I have followed or am following it to the letter. I am already gaming a chick from before to get her to come out. 22YO blond about a 7, but she is a real flake. She has agreed to come over but not holding my breath.

I am approaching at the convention. My weakest area but I am working on it.

Finally I sent the photo with the text. Knowing this chick she will love it. Use to fuck her rugged back in the day. She would get all worked up and juicy over it.

And yes the hotel is really nice. Not the Four Seasons but just about as nice.

And for the last issue. My text not sounding intriguing or interesting or sexy. I know this. But I am not sure what to do about it. I don't want to keep running to this thread every time a text challenge comes up. I want to be able to do this on my own. I am not a retard, but my texts look like I am. I am experienced successful, and believe I have wit. But when it comes to this shit it's like I cant get out of my own fucking way.

I have read much texting game stuff from here and Krauser and Heartiste. But it does not get that much better. I have been actively gaming women now for almost two years. Still stuck on this. Any suggestions will be awesome. I do follow advice.

^^ She replied almost right away. She said yummy...

I am just going to invite her out.

Been waiting for this to happen for a while with this plate. Got the below last night while on a date with another girl.

Ok. I have a very close friend's going away tomorrow night, moving to U.S so can't miss it
Also, I'm a bit discouraged that I haven't seen you because we were seeing each other so regularly and going well. I feel like someone else has caught your attention and it feels like I'm a last option date..
Maybe you don't have an answer via text and that's ok but maybe when your back it would be good to see you and chat
Enjoy the trip and hope to hear from you when your back

Thinking it's time to next her? She is only a 5/6 but a really good bang.

I don't have a problem with this (or shit maybe y'all think I do idk) but I would like to see how y'all's advice squares up against what I would typically say. usually I'll spit some shit like "translation: unique" or "that's why you like me so much" or some other shit like that.

me: up for some fun?
her: maybe
me: "maybe" lmao were going to maybe make plans for 930
her: haha and do what?
me: clubbing baby seals (+gif)

her: you're a weird one haha

suggestions of how to play this and what's the thoughts on what I would typically say?

Last week, I met a smoking hot 18 year old. Over text she agreed to coffee this week.

I texted her after the weekend:

Me: how was your weekend
Her: ....no response.
Me on the next day: I take your silence to mean "Rob you tall handsome bad boy, I can't wait to see you again."
Her a few minutes later: Sorry I didn't respond kinda sick.

Tell her "no problem do you want to do something later in the week?"

btw I'm quite a bit older than her though she doesn't know how old.

So...what to text next?

(11-18-2014 04:55 PM)robreke Wrote:  Last week, I met a smoking hot 18 year old. Over text she agreed to coffee this week.

I texted her after the weekend:

Me: how was your weekend
Her: ....no response.
Me on the next day: I take your silence to mean "Rob you tall handsome bad boy, I can't wait to see you again."
Her a few minutes later: Sorry I didn't respond kinda sick.

Tell her "no problem do you want to do something later in the week?"

btw I'm quite a bit older than her though she doesn't know how old.

So...what to text next?

The first response was radio silence.
The second response was a weak and short reply/excuse.

Did you text her "no problem do you want to do something later in the week?"

If not, good, I'd go for a direct setting up of plans, or probe and ask her what her evening schedule looks like this week.

She already struck out twice in my book.

If she gives a short response, doesn't agree with your plans and doesn't counter your plans with another plan - I'd next her.

You can always send out a feeler text, if no response that's strike 3 in my book and she's nexted.

New response from this link:
http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-28919-...#pid875867

Had a feeling this was coming:
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kaotic...i think this shows that she actually likes you. Otherwise she would not be saying all of this right?

I would agree & amplify.

You: Of course that is what I do with all the girls in my harem...

or maybe

You: ...but I like you the best of all my girls.

Something like that. You will probably have a more pithy response.

(11-19-2014 11:10 AM)reco2100 Wrote:  kaotic...i think this shows that she actually likes you. Otherwise she would not be saying all of this right?

I would agree & amplify.

You: Of course that is what I do with all the girls in my harem...

or maybe

You: ...but I like you the best of all my girls.

Something like that. You will probably have a more pithy response.

I know she likes me, because she dropped a line when were hanging out that she guys always hooked up with her and didn't want them to be their gf's. (red flag)

It's just funny that she hit me back, I'm keeping it generic and saying, "I don't assume anything, I just hangout and go with the flow.'

I'll gauge her reaction.

She ended up saying "good to know" to which I replied to "there's a reason you asked that, why"

It's best to keep things short and simple when a girl asks you what's going on between you 2. Reason being you don't want to give into her and lose your frame, always decide what you want before or after she confronts you.