Post: #251

I hate fatties with a passion, so that is why I particularly shit on America.

As for dudes saying there are hotties everywhere in Kiev, they are probably exaggerating or just are slavophiles. But not everyone says Ukraine is a land of beauties. Most people are somewhat realistic.

I smell a troll.

Post: #252

(11-07-2014 04:58 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  I hate fatties with a passion, so that is why I particularly shit on America.

As for dudes saying there are hotties everywhere in Kiev, they are probably exaggerating or just are slavophiles. But not everyone says Ukraine is a land of beauties. Most people are somewhat realistic.

I smell a troll.

I feel you on the portly ones. I honestly don't know what's going on in the rest of America. When Europeans make fun of Americans for being stupid and fat, a part of me wants to defend the country, but then I remember there's an entire country outside of NY that I personally don't know much of.

Not everyone says it but a great many do, especially in these forums. If you Google hottest girls in Europe, even hottest girls in the world by country or city, Kiev and Ukraine is always ranked number one or two, or at least in the top five. Pure propaganda.

Post: #253

(11-07-2014 04:58 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  I hate fatties with a passion, so that is why I particularly shit on America.

As for dudes saying there are hotties everywhere in Kiev, they are probably exaggerating or just are slavophiles. But not everyone says Ukraine is a land of beauties. Most people are somewhat realistic.

I smell a troll.

I don't know anyone that doesn't consider Ukraine a land of beauties, it's nothing to do with realism, it's in front of your eyes

Even The Beatles were obsessed with the place. Why do you think Roosh spent so long here and not in New York, London or Paris?

The fact that you say they are "Probably exaggerating" suggests that you have not been to Kiev.

Black dudes, Chinese, Indians, they all recognize the beauty but may not feel the women are a fit for them personally.

Post: #254

(11-07-2014 04:58 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  I hate fatties with a passion, so that is why I particularly shit on America.

As for dudes saying there are hotties everywhere in Kiev, they are probably exaggerating or just are slavophiles. But not everyone says Ukraine is a land of beauties. Most people are somewhat realistic.

I smell a troll.

I have been to Kiev and many other European cities. Kiev has the best talent I have seen. Questioning his "conversion rates" is understandable. However, the talent is great in Kiev.

Post: #255

(11-04-2014 10:22 PM)ohionukes Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 06:55 PM)Dantes Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 04:57 PM)ohionukes Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 02:47 PM)diego69 Wrote:  ohionukes, response rate and phone number harvesting both online and on day/night game are great in Kiev, even from 7 and 8, the challenge at least for me was how to convert the numbers to dates and how to convert dates to bangs.
So when just arriving to the city you are overwhelmed by this and the beauty and feel this could be pussy paradise while eventually amount of bangs will probably be low and require a lot of work.
I would be happy to hear how is it for you there.

My problem is time. If I lived here for a month or more, I would be swimming in bangs. Right now, I can easily convert 90-95% of the girls into dates. I find that some of them are getting very pushy (when are we meeting, why haven't you texted, etc). One girl actually got mad we didn't meet the first day I was here, and told me good luck with whomever I meet. Then a minute later wrote me back asking me if she can see me tomorrow. This is my 5th time to Kiev and I have NEVER seen the women here so aggressively wanting to go out on a date.

90-95% is off the chart in any country.

How are you meeting these girls? What is their level of attractiveness ?

Yes, not just meeting them, they are the ones hungry for the meetup. The economy right now is really poor. Despite the recent spike in patriotism, I find that the educated girls know they need to jump ship now. The stupid girls? They are still getting pumped and dumped by the locals guys left and riight. My dates are 7-9, average is an 8.5. I am surprised as anybody, I can't believe the change in environment. The educated attractive women want to get the fuck out of Ukraine as fast as possible. I predict once this current wave of girls emigrates, the response rate will drop significantly.

Why are there so many people in the kiev threads saying that they date only top-notch girls in Ukraine? I ask this because on my 3 months stay in Kiev, living right on Krechatik, although I met dozens of foreigners, I didnt meet a single one who could fit in this category.

Also, unfortunately the more beautiful a girl is the less likely she speaks or is willing to speak english. So to hit on top-quality constantly Russian language skills are a MUST.

@ ohionukes: I assume you dont speak Russian at all right?

I feel without pictures it makes no sense to discuss about 7s, 8s and 9s. Judgements on quality, especially just after arrival is a bit misleading. It took me a few weeks to get adjusted to it and being able to do a proper rating.

No doubt Kiev on average has really attractive girls, probably on par with Russia the best in Europe, BUT no way there are 8s and 9s walking around everywhere. Even in high end clubs you see many average girls. Hanging around on Krechatik at daytime, you ll see many 6s and 7s with the occasional 8 or 9, if you are lucky.

Regarding girls being desperate to leave:

This is another thing being discussed all the time. Athough I dont know how the war has changed the situation, but based on my experiences with ukrainian girls I really doubt that this can be true. Many of them are just too dumb to realise that they are wasting their time in Ukraine. They are happy living in a shitty soviet style apartment with an ukrainian bf, who has nothing to offer besides being Ukrainian, speaking the language and understanding the girls mentality.

Post: #256

(11-07-2014 10:53 AM)Thailand_Veteran Wrote:  They are happy living in a shitty soviet style apartment with an ukrainian bf, who has nothing to offer besides being Ukrainian, speaking the language and understanding the girls mentality.

But that's all you really need, anywhere.

WIA

Post: #257

(11-07-2014 04:58 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  I hate fatties with a passion, so that is why I particularly shit on America.

As for dudes saying there are hotties everywhere in Kiev, they are probably exaggerating or just are slavophiles. But not everyone says Ukraine is a land of beauties. Most people are somewhat realistic.

I smell a troll.

Indeed...as a native NYER 3rd generation I disagree with most of what he said.

As someone who spent 12 hour punishment tours standing on those high volume ave's I can agree that one will see many hotties but for every hottie you will see 19 fuglies.
In Kiev for every hottie, maybe 3 fug-lies. So in terms of higher % FSU wins. Moscow which has a similar large number of people I suspect would blow NY away.

A few other points:
a. eliminate the supermodels and the majority of NYC hotties live in the other 4 boroughs(NJ even)..it just looks like Manhattan is loaded since majority of them converge into Manhattan to work and play.
b. Yes most of the hotties in the Manhattan clubs are Americans(tourists also). But the EE hotties generally stay in Brooklyn.

c. Yes we joke about Staten Island lol..but to say REAL NYERS is from Manhattan is absurd. Reality check: Most Manhattanites(not counting the ghetto areas) are transplants from Florida, Iowa or Nebraska or LA in Slubu's case.
We don't consider them Nyers. They have no clue what a real Knish or real pizza is. They don't have our NYC accent. True that many are from suburbs or boroughs who moved into Manhattan when they got older(living mostly with Roommates).
Many of them have the "how I married your mother" syndrome. They think they are real Nyers.

That being said the upper east side which is wealthy is full of rich native NYERS.I think this area has the hottest amount of cover girls who live and were raised there. That is where my mom(was a model) and aunt lived. But my father lives for the last 30 years 3 blocks from Herald square which leads me to my next point:

Herald square has probably the smallest % of hotties in Manhattan. Most of the tourists that stay in those hotels are from conventions due to Madison square Garden and Javits being close by. They aren't hot. They come from Nebraska and Iowa to participate in the Cat show and farmers market convention.

The majority of workers work in chain retail which that area is known for,which is basically ghetto girls. Not hot at all.

As for body not being a standard of physical attractiveness is also absurd. Every social-scientific done pretty much shows that men are attracted to in order:

1. body.. of course people have different tastes. My black and hispanic friends often like meatier /chubby gals for example.
2. Hair (long prefered)
3. face.

That is why guys can see a girl who has a dog face in make up, dresses slutty and has a kicking body and go nuts calling her hot.

Women though generally put preference on mens face(lower class often to a large bulky body) due to media brainwashing. It all started with hollywood billboards of guys with sparkling eyes and pearly white smiles. Heck, they were painted in, but that is what replaced the centuries of status for men with money and healthy warrior type features.

Another thing..FSU girls tend to dress sluttier(more so back in 2002..they walked the streets looking like strippers), know how to put make up on and overall are more feminine. Any REAL man is programmed to attract to a feminine women.

Most men will notice the feminine dressed girl in the club with a kicking body in cheap clothing(knockoffs? who the fuck cares? are you the fashion police? lol) than the spoiled American girl with high cheekbones and designer sweatpants. VERY common on the UES.

Another thing...negging works on the average NY pig ..why?

Isn't it only for hot girls?

It works because in NYC even below average girls feel entitled due to their education, career or just the fact that NYC is full of hungry desperate men who chase them(Jewish American princesses are the worst)


But I do agree in a crowed NYC street or even club you will see a large amount of hot chicks but that is due to the 20 plus million people that converge into 1 area..not because of high % of them .I heard Moscow streets (15 million metro area) is WAYYYYY ahead of NYC.

I also expect another thing: Men date up in FSU, while most in NYC actually date down. Most of my guy friends that were 10's end up with 7's(even 6's)..go figure. That leads to the next point..NYC has more competition for guy since there are loads of guys that women would consider a 10 and rich guys and sexy foreign accents lol.

I smell troll also lol.

Post: #258

(11-07-2014 10:53 AM)Thailand_Veteran Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 10:22 PM)ohionukes Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 06:55 PM)Dantes Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 04:57 PM)ohionukes Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 02:47 PM)diego69 Wrote:  ohionukes, response rate and phone number harvesting both online and on day/night game are great in Kiev, even from 7 and 8, the challenge at least for me was how to convert the numbers to dates and how to convert dates to bangs.
So when just arriving to the city you are overwhelmed by this and the beauty and feel this could be pussy paradise while eventually amount of bangs will probably be low and require a lot of work.
I would be happy to hear how is it for you there.

My problem is time. If I lived here for a month or more, I would be swimming in bangs. Right now, I can easily convert 90-95% of the girls into dates. I find that some of them are getting very pushy (when are we meeting, why haven't you texted, etc). One girl actually got mad we didn't meet the first day I was here, and told me good luck with whomever I meet. Then a minute later wrote me back asking me if she can see me tomorrow. This is my 5th time to Kiev and I have NEVER seen the women here so aggressively wanting to go out on a date.

90-95% is off the chart in any country.

How are you meeting these girls? What is their level of attractiveness ?

Yes, not just meeting them, they are the ones hungry for the meetup. The economy right now is really poor. Despite the recent spike in patriotism, I find that the educated girls know they need to jump ship now. The stupid girls? They are still getting pumped and dumped by the locals guys left and riight. My dates are 7-9, average is an 8.5. I am surprised as anybody, I can't believe the change in environment. The educated attractive women want to get the fuck out of Ukraine as fast as possible. I predict once this current wave of girls emigrates, the response rate will drop significantly.

Why are there so many people in the kiev threads saying that they date only top-notch girls in Ukraine? I ask this because on my 3 months stay in Kiev, living right on Krechatik, although I met dozens of foreigners, I didnt meet a single one who could fit in this category.

Also, unfortunately the more beautiful a girl is the less likely she speaks or is willing to speak english. So to hit on top-quality constantly Russian language skills are a MUST.

@ ohionukes: I assume you dont speak Russian at all right?

I feel without pictures it makes no sense to discuss about 7s, 8s and 9s. Judgements on quality, especially just after arrival is a bit misleading. It took me a few weeks to get adjusted to it and being able to do a proper rating.

No doubt Kiev on average has really attractive girls, probably on par with Russia the best in Europe, BUT no way there are 8s and 9s walking around everywhere. Even in high end clubs you see many average girls. Hanging around on Krechatik at daytime, you ll see many 6s and 7s with the occasional 8 or 9, if you are lucky.

Regarding girls being desperate to leave:

This is another thing being discussed all the time. Athough I dont know how the war has changed the situation, but based on my experiences with ukrainian girls I really doubt that this can be true. Many of them are just too dumb to realise that they are wasting their time in Ukraine. They are happy living in a shitty soviet style apartment with an ukrainian bf, who has nothing to offer besides being Ukrainian, speaking the language and understanding the girls mentality.

Hotties in Ukraine are rarely desperate to leave, they have it easy, their wealthy boyfriends give them everything they need.

Are they wasting their time? why would they travel to live in an alien country where they will be in the same position as they are in Ukraine? - a rich husband who will give her the lifestyle she wants.

The only women desperate to leave Ukraine are average looking young chicks or 30 something women who have two marriages behind them and a bunch of stretchmarks.

Post: #259

(11-07-2014 06:01 AM)TheMusketeer Wrote:  

(11-07-2014 04:58 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  I hate fatties with a passion, so that is why I particularly shit on America.

As for dudes saying there are hotties everywhere in Kiev, they are probably exaggerating or just are slavophiles. But not everyone says Ukraine is a land of beauties. Most people are somewhat realistic.

I smell a troll.

I don't know anyone that doesn't consider Ukraine a land of beauties, it's nothing to do with realism, it's in front of your eyes

Even The Beatles were obsessed with the place. Why do you think Roosh spent so long here and not in New York, London or Paris?

The fact that you say they are "Probably exaggerating" suggests that you have not been to Kiev.

Black dudes, Chinese, Indians, they all recognize the beauty but may not feel the women are a fit for them personally.

Sorry, but you sound like a minion. "Even the Beatles were obsessed with the place.", "Why do you think Roosh, blah, blah..." Ryan Gosling loves Pepsi. That must mean it's the best!

Maybe he didn't go to NYC because he's been there? Or maybe because the girls are status driven perhaps? It's all about occupation and who you are with the top notches just maybe? And if he's fed up with American girls, what's the point in going to another American city? And if Kiev is the gold mine that you say it is, why would anyone ever leave except for visa reasons? So many questions...

I know you're addressing the Ohio dude, but, realism? I'm in Kiev right now on my second month. I don't know how much more real it can get than that. It is an exaggeration. An extreme one at that. And he was quite correct with the slavophile term, because these girls have a similar look to them for the most part. The structure of their faces, the eyes, etc.

Whenever a person like yourself comes to the rescue of the reputation of Kiev, your judgment is null and void. Because if you're calling what I see on a daily basis, a bunch of beauties, then there's nothing to debate. Your standard is clearly worlds apart.

I knew someone like you would come out of the woodworks on this subject, so I decided to do a little recon. I was out for the most part of the day and decided to snap pics to give people on there some perspective.



And here are what you probably consider 8's and 9's.

You'll have to right click the image and go to the url, because they won't show.

These are the run-of-the-mill girls in the streets. Where are the stunners that people claim the city is so inundated with that you can't not run into them just bey stepping outside?

Now, I'm not saying most of these girls are unattractive, because they aren't. But what you see here isn't anything you wouldn't see in a city like Berlin or anywhere else in Europe. Sorry.

Post: #260

Quote:Now, I'm not saying most of these girls are unattractive, because they aren't. But what you see here isn't anything you wouldn't see in a city like Berlin or anywhere else in Europe. Sorry.

Agree.. I agree completely even, just not the statistics of dating them being equal. There are larger % of AVAILABLE attractive women than in the west. Just because NYC has a large number (absolute terms) of models in one place means very little. Many of them are originally from EE btw. But it means very little because MOST GUYS (including you) aren't dating these top girls. But FSU does have more 7 and 8's that are AVAILABLE. Availability is what matters most.

Quote:Are they wasting their time? why would they travel to live in an alien country where they will be in the same position as they are in Ukraine? - a rich husband who will give her the lifestyle she wants.

Agreed and I will add a bit more. Nothing beats being rich in Ukraine or FSU (as long as Putin isn't after you lol). In Ukraine rich can do whatever they want..literally get away with murder. Have loads of mistresses and feel like a king knowing that you are like royalty among masses of poorer people. Remember being rich is all about a comparison with those under you.

If a westerner who is rich got a luxury home, car and bodyguards he can do very well in FSU. Being rich and showing of is cool there..not some thing to be ashamed of like in the west.

I am not top 1% (although it seems 10 yrs ago i would have been) but I am top 2%(i believe 2 mil makes one that). Doesn't mean much because it isnt enough to get a mansion, boats, and live that great lifestyle, but maybe in some countries?

Quote:And if Kiev is the gold mine that you say it is, why would anyone ever leave except for visa reasons? So many questions...

Many reasons actually:
1. girls shouldn't be anyone's priority and you get sick of them after a while.
2. culture barriers and always feeling like an outsider.
3. They are backwards and the inconveniences of business /customer relations causes most expats stress after a few months.
4. horrible food. Unreliable electricity.
5. WINTER--winter comes early and leaves late in UA and it sucks and is depressing. In winter the ground gets so cold your toes start freezing if you stand long enough in the outside market. Large slabs of ice fall off building that can kill you.
Worst: me and my co workers use to painfully fall on the sidewalk because of slippery ice that you can't see. No one uses salt..not back then anyway. I know a women who broke her hip.

Once winter comes even the players end up in LTR because we need a chick to keep us warm and it is depressing to go out(that is when I got won over lol)

6. Primitive medical. You don't want to even hear the stories.

My job had a requirement that we had to go for a weekend every 3 months to another non FSU country to get decompressed so to speak.

Post: #261

(11-07-2014 12:15 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(11-07-2014 04:58 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  I hate fatties with a passion, so that is why I particularly shit on America.

As for dudes saying there are hotties everywhere in Kiev, they are probably exaggerating or just are slavophiles. But not everyone says Ukraine is a land of beauties. Most people are somewhat realistic.

I smell a troll.

Indeed...as a native NYER 3rd generation I disagree with most of what he said.

As someone who spent 12 hour punishment tours standing on those high volume ave's I can agree that one will see many hotties but for every hottie you will see 19 fuglies.
In Kiev for every hottie, maybe 3 fug-lies. So in terms of higher % FSU wins. Moscow which has a similar large number of people I suspect would blow NY away.

A few other points:
a. eliminate the supermodels and the majority of NYC hotties live in the other 4 boroughs(NJ even)..it just looks like Manhattan is loaded since majority of them converge into Manhattan to work and play.
b. Yes most of the hotties in the Manhattan clubs are Americans(tourists also). But the EE hotties generally stay in Brooklyn.

c. Yes we joke about Staten Island lol..but to say REAL NYERS is from Manhattan is absurd. Reality check: Most Manhattanites(not counting the ghetto areas) are transplants from Florida, Iowa or Nebraska or LA in Slubu's case.
We don't consider them Nyers. They have no clue what a real Knish or real pizza is. They don't have our NYC accent. True that many are from suburbs or boroughs who moved into Manhattan when they got older(living mostly with Roommates).
Many of them have the "how I married your mother" syndrome. They think they are real Nyers.

That being said the upper east side which is wealthy is full of rich native NYERS.I think this area has the hottest amount of cover girls who live and were raised there. That is where my mom(was a model) and aunt lived. But my father lives for the last 30 years 3 blocks from Herald square which leads me to my next point:

Herald square has probably the smallest % of hotties in Manhattan. Most of the tourists that stay in those hotels are from conventions due to Madison square Garden and Javits being close by. They aren't hot. They come from Nebraska and Iowa to participate in the Cat show and farmers market convention.

The majority of workers work in chain retail which that area is known for,which is basically ghetto girls. Not hot at all.

As for body not being a standard of physical attractiveness is also absurd. Every social-scientific done pretty much shows that men are attracted to in order:

1. body.. of course people have different tastes. My black and hispanic friends often like meatier /chubby gals for example.
2. Hair (long prefered)
3. face.

That is why guys can see a girl who has a dog face in make up, dresses slutty and has a kicking body and go nuts calling her hot.

Women though generally put preference on mens face(lower class often to a large bulky body) due to media brainwashing. It all started with hollywood billboards of guys with sparkling eyes and pearly white smiles. Heck, they were painted in, but that is what replaced the centuries of status for men with money and healthy warrior type features.

Another thing..FSU girls tend to dress sluttier(more so back in 2002..they walked the streets looking like strippers), know how to put make up on and overall are more feminine. Any REAL man is programmed to attract to a feminine women.

Most men will notice the feminine dressed girl in the club with a kicking body in cheap clothing(knockoffs? who the fuck cares? are you the fashion police? lol) than the spoiled American girl with high cheekbones and designer sweatpants. VERY common on the UES.

Another thing...negging works on the average NY pig ..why?

Isn't it only for hot girls?

It works because in NYC even below average girls feel entitled due to their education, career or just the fact that NYC is full of hungry desperate men who chase them(Jewish American princesses are the worst)


But I do agree in a crowed NYC street or even club you will see a large amount of hot chicks but that is due to the 20 plus million people that converge into 1 area..not because of high % of them .I heard Moscow streets (15 million metro area) is WAYYYYY ahead of NYC.

I also expect another thing: Men date up in FSU, while most in NYC actually date down. Most of my guy friends that were 10's end up with 7's(even 6's)..go figure. That leads to the next point..NYC has more competition for guy since there are loads of guys that women would consider a 10 and rich guys and sexy foreign accents lol.

I smell troll also lol.

But you have to realize something. Kiev is predominately white. What race are the typical fuglies in NY? The black girls by conventional standards and a lot of latinas, unless that's your cup of tea. And not because they're black, but because of the fat sloppiness, combined with many other things that I'd rather not spell out. So by default Kiev wins.

I've never been to Moscow so I can't comment.

We're not debating the residence of the hot girls in NY, but just that they're there. Even if they live in CT, they count if they're in the city all of the time. It's part of the metropolitan area.

I never said real New Yorkers are from Manhattan. I don't buy into that "real" New Yorker talk anyway, because the people who usually use that term are either disgruntled, poor, or disadvantaged in some way and use that to try to alienate the transplants who are there succeeding and maybe even part of the gentrification. If a person moved to NY in the 90's is he/she not a 'real' New Yorker because they weren't born there? Conversely, I think it's silly when transplants move there and think they're New Yorkers. No, you're a Nebraskan who moved to New York that don't know what Queens/Brooklyn day is.

And, yes, I am the fashion police.

Post: #262

(11-07-2014 01:01 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Quote:Now, I'm not saying most of these girls are unattractive, because they aren't. But what you see here isn't anything you wouldn't see in a city like Berlin or anywhere else in Europe. Sorry.

Agree.. I agree completely even, just not the statistics of dating them being equal. There are larger % of AVAILABLE attractive women than in the west. Just because NYC has a large number (absolute terms) of models in one place means very little. Many of them are originally from EE btw. But it means very little because MOST GUYS (including you) aren't dating these top girls. But FSU does have more 7 and 8's that are AVAILABLE. Availability is what matters most.

Quote:Are they wasting their time? why would they travel to live in an alien country where they will be in the same position as they are in Ukraine? - a rich husband who will give her the lifestyle she wants.

Agreed and I will add a bit more. Nothing beats being rich in Ukraine or FSU (as long as Putin isn't after you lol). In Ukraine rich can do whatever they want..literally get away with murder. Have loads of mistresses and feel like a king knowing that you are like royalty among masses of poorer people. Remember being rich is all about a comparison with those under you.

If a westerner who is rich got a luxury home, car and bodyguards he can do very well in FSU. Being rich and showing of is cool there..not some thing to be ashamed of like in the west.

I am not top 1% (although it seems 10 yrs ago i would have been) but I am top 2%(i believe 2 mil makes one that). Doesn't mean much because it isnt enough to get a mansion, boats, and live that great lifestyle, but maybe in some countries?

And what makes you assume that I'm not dating these top tier girls? If you find it impossible for yourself, don't place your limitations on others. And if it is possible for yourself, why would it not be for others?

Post: #263

(11-07-2014 01:10 PM)NYoverSeas Wrote:  

(11-07-2014 01:01 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Quote:Now, I'm not saying most of these girls are unattractive, because they aren't. But what you see here isn't anything you wouldn't see in a city like Berlin or anywhere else in Europe. Sorry.

Agree.. I agree completely even, just not the statistics of dating them being equal. There are larger % of AVAILABLE attractive women than in the west. Just because NYC has a large number (absolute terms) of models in one place means very little. Many of them are originally from EE btw. But it means very little because MOST GUYS (including you) aren't dating these top girls. But FSU does have more 7 and 8's that are AVAILABLE. Availability is what matters most.

Quote:Are they wasting their time? why would they travel to live in an alien country where they will be in the same position as they are in Ukraine? - a rich husband who will give her the lifestyle she wants.

Agreed and I will add a bit more. Nothing beats being rich in Ukraine or FSU (as long as Putin isn't after you lol). In Ukraine rich can do whatever they want..literally get away with murder. Have loads of mistresses and feel like a king knowing that you are like royalty among masses of poorer people. Remember being rich is all about a comparison with those under you.

If a westerner who is rich got a luxury home, car and bodyguards he can do very well in FSU. Being rich and showing of is cool there..not some thing to be ashamed of like in the west.

I am not top 1% (although it seems 10 yrs ago i would have been) but I am top 2%(i believe 2 mil makes one that). Doesn't mean much because it isnt enough to get a mansion, boats, and live that great lifestyle, but maybe in some countries?

And what makes you assume that I'm not dating these top tier girls? If you find it impossible for yourself, don't place your limitations on others. And if it is possible for yourself, why would it not be for others?

Because most aren't lol. It is a statistical probability that you aren't. I meant nothing personal by it.

If I date them or not is irrelevant because(married also lol) I certainly see who they do date, it is called OBSERVATION. My family was in the club business, my father is one of the naturals that the PUA movement claims they studied. He dated top tiered even famous girls. But he was in the industry to do so. But I know plenty of guys who are 10's(one has his own internet fan club) and they date down. Availability is key.


I agree about Kiev having more white girls as a %. Only about 50% of NYC is white. But if one is looking for white girls it is much easier in a city where ALL of them are white to find them.

But we also(NYC ) have plenty of overweight Italian girls and pear shaped Irish chicks..trust me.

That is why I brought up Herald square comment. It seems to me to be mostly the same stock as the ghetto. Mostly hotel workers and retail cashiers. The shoppers tend to be the crowd that goes to forever 21, Macy's, Mc Donald's, etc. Often overweight and un stylish.

Upper east side, below Harlem, has the most in shape and prettiest in my opinion.
Gyms and spa treatments is the norm there..plus they run in Central Park.

Maybe what makes Kiev look very good is that there is one main street that they all flow down as oppose to NYC where one has to know where to walk to, etc.

Post: #264

(11-07-2014 01:36 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(11-07-2014 01:10 PM)NYoverSeas Wrote:  

(11-07-2014 01:01 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Quote:Now, I'm not saying most of these girls are unattractive, because they aren't. But what you see here isn't anything you wouldn't see in a city like Berlin or anywhere else in Europe. Sorry.

Agree.. I agree completely even, just not the statistics of dating them being equal. There are larger % of AVAILABLE attractive women than in the west. Just because NYC has a large number (absolute terms) of models in one place means very little. Many of them are originally from EE btw. But it means very little because MOST GUYS (including you) aren't dating these top girls. But FSU does have more 7 and 8's that are AVAILABLE. Availability is what matters most.

Quote:Are they wasting their time? why would they travel to live in an alien country where they will be in the same position as they are in Ukraine? - a rich husband who will give her the lifestyle she wants.

Agreed and I will add a bit more. Nothing beats being rich in Ukraine or FSU (as long as Putin isn't after you lol). In Ukraine rich can do whatever they want..literally get away with murder. Have loads of mistresses and feel like a king knowing that you are like royalty among masses of poorer people. Remember being rich is all about a comparison with those under you.

If a westerner who is rich got a luxury home, car and bodyguards he can do very well in FSU. Being rich and showing of is cool there..not some thing to be ashamed of like in the west.

I am not top 1% (although it seems 10 yrs ago i would have been) but I am top 2%(i believe 2 mil makes one that). Doesn't mean much because it isnt enough to get a mansion, boats, and live that great lifestyle, but maybe in some countries?

And what makes you assume that I'm not dating these top tier girls? If you find it impossible for yourself, don't place your limitations on others. And if it is possible for yourself, why would it not be for others?

Because most aren't lol. It is a statistical probability that you aren't. I meant nothing personal by it.

If I date them or not is irrelevant because(married also lol) I certainly see who they do date, it is called OBSERVATION. My family was in the club business, my father is one of the naturals that the PUA movement claims they studied. He dated top tiered even famous girls. But he was in the industry to do so. But I know plenty of guys who are 10's(one has his own internet fan club) and they date down. Availability is key.


I agree about Kiev having more white girls as a %. Only about 50% of NYC is white. But if one is looking for white girls it is much easier in a city where ALL of them are white to find them.

But we also(NYC ) have plenty of overweight Italian girls and pear shaped Irish chicks..trust me.

That is why I brought up Herald square comment. It seems to me to be mostly the same stock as the ghetto. Mostly hotel workers and retail cashiers. The shoppers tend to be the crowd that goes to forever 21, Macy's, Mc Donald's, etc. Often overweight and un stylish.

Upper east side, below Harlem, has the most in shape and prettiest in my opinion.
Gyms and spa treatments is the norm there..plus they run in Central Park.

Maybe what makes Kiev look very good is that there is one main street that they all flow down as oppose to NYC where one has to know where to walk to, etc.

I wouldn't know what most are or aren't doing. But just going off of numbers and the scarcity of 10's, it's only natural that most aren't because they aren't in abundance. But if your term of 'top tier' includes 8's and 9's then I think strangers could be given the benefit of the doubt. But I suppose skepticism is only natural to many.

I understand where you're coming from with your perspective, because I worked in the club environment (meatpacking, even met Adriana Lima and the rest of the angels at the Victoria Secret Show afterparty last year) for years and most of my friends are in the circle (Lavo, Avenue, Dream Downtown, Marquee, etc.) and from that angle it would seem that all 10's are bought and paid for. And anytime anyone I know hears a girl with a Russian accent or EE, we automatically think escort. I've witnessed them literally scanning the room for black card holders and make their approaches. I'm sure the guys date down because there's a intangible substance that the 10's don't possess due to their narcissism and accessibility to the world on the strength of their looks.

I know about the overweight Italians. Bensonhurst has their fair share.

I haven't been to Herald Square in eons, I try to stay away due to the volume of people and I loathe tourists, but when ever I had to go there or through there (Korean BBQ in K-Town trips) I'll see girls that make me ponder. But I do agree with you about the ghetto workers there.

If you never have, you have to check out Williamsburg. Just sit outside of the L stop at Bedford Ave. Stylish, sexy and smart girls by the droves. You get your hipsters as well, but they're attractive, too. And we all know how liberal they are with their bodies.

Astoria has a lot of lookers as well, even though they're mostly transplants, but the origin of their sexiness is irrelevant.

If you're referring to Khreshchatyk, nope. I think I'm going to have to do a time lapse video to debunk theories. Sort of like that 10 hour sexual harassment video. Believe me, I want the stories to be true. I really do. I go out with renewed hope that I was just out the wrong day, but it's been too many day after days. Riding subways, walking streets, hitting up Ocean Plaza. It's just another average city.

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Quote:f you're referring to Khreshchatyk, nope. I think I'm going to have to do a time lapse video to debunk theories. Sort of like that 10 hour sexual harassment video. Believe me, I want the stories to be true. I really do. I go out with renewed hope that I was just out the wrong day, but it's been too many day after days. Riding subways, walking streets, hitting up Ocean Plaza. It's just another average city.

I am not going to disagree since it been years since I walked that street and I know for a fact that the girls aren't dressing as sexy as they did before 2005. I noticed that in 2007. But trust me...at one time it was GREAT. i suspect many left Ukraien even. Look at the declining population.

Honestly I haven't been to Williams burg. The hipsters scare me. But they did have hot Polish gals years ago..although second and 3rd generation maybe. Also many Hasidim population.

Been years since I have been to Astoria but I remember hot polish blondes and lots of 2nd and 3rd generation Greek Americans with nice asses in the pubs and lounges.

Personally if it was me and I was single I would game in NYC. Might be harder to hook but overall less stress and I know the NYC Russians/FSU gals dig me enough and they aren't less hot than ones in Kiev.Well maybe less number of them that are but who cares right?

One has to consider if going to a city repeatedly that is not that hospitable is worth it. If one isn't having fun what is the point right?
At least in NYC you can go to WO HOP at the end of the night lol.

Post: #266

Quote:Whenever a person like yourself comes to the rescue of the reputation of Kiev, your judgment is null and void. Because if you're calling what I see on a daily basis, a bunch of beauties, then there's nothing to debate. Your standard is clearly worlds apart

Whenever someone disagrees with you their judgement is null and void.....Oooooook

Quote:These are the run-of-the-mill girls in the streets. Where are the stunners that people claim the city is so inundated with that you can't not run into them just bey stepping outside?

This blondie is run of the Mill??, she looks like at least an 8, what are you talking about?

Quote:Now, I'm not saying most of these girls are unattractive, because they aren't. But what you see here isn't anything you wouldn't see in a city like Berlin or anywhere else in Europe. Sorry.

Yes but there are a shitload more of them in places like Kiev

I honestly think you might be doing the "Anti Tourism" thing with Kiev, nobody in their right mind would say such things

Post: #267

(11-07-2014 02:29 PM)TheMusketeer Wrote:  

Quote:Whenever a person like yourself comes to the rescue of the reputation of Kiev, your judgment is null and void. Because if you're calling what I see on a daily basis, a bunch of beauties, then there's nothing to debate. Your standard is clearly worlds apart

Whenever someone disagrees with you their judgement is null and void.....Oooooook

Quote:These are the run-of-the-mill girls in the streets. Where are the stunners that people claim the city is so inundated with that you can't not run into them just bey stepping outside?

This girls is run of the Mill??, she looks like at least an 8, what are you talking about?

Quote:Now, I'm not saying most of these girls are unattractive, because they aren't. But what you see here isn't anything you wouldn't see in a city like Berlin or anywhere else in Europe. Sorry.

Yes but there are a shitload more of them in places like Kiev

I honestly think you might be doing the "Anti Tourism" thing with Kiev, nobody in their right mind would say such things

Quote:Whenever someone disagrees with you their judgement is null and void.....Oooooook

Followed by...

Quote:I honestly think you might be doing the "Anti Tourism" thing with Kiev, nobody in their right mind would say such things

Pot, meet Kettle.

At least an 8? So that means she would be a max of, what, 9 or 10? My point exactly. I'm not saying that your rating system is wrong. I suppose it's what you're accustomed to seeing in your personal life or the people you hang around that would elevate her to such a number. I don't think any of those girls are 8's at all. 6.5 and a max of 7. After all, life is all about context.

No shitload of them here, sir. BUT, if you think that girl is an 8, then, yes, this place is heaven for you. I don't know where you are right now or what obligations you have, but you should be on the next thing smoking here. This is your El Dorado.

I think a system on this site should be implemented. Sort of like a legend or guideline where pictures are posted with ratings from 1-10, so people get a general consensus of what is what. I say this only because there are people who may be heavily influenced by the claims of others. And making a trip to a far, foreign lad for some people who have to scrape money to make said trip is horrible.

Post: #268

(11-07-2014 02:41 PM)NYoverSeas Wrote:  

(11-07-2014 02:29 PM)TheMusketeer Wrote:  

Quote:Whenever a person like yourself comes to the rescue of the reputation of Kiev, your judgment is null and void. Because if you're calling what I see on a daily basis, a bunch of beauties, then there's nothing to debate. Your standard is clearly worlds apart

Whenever someone disagrees with you their judgement is null and void.....Oooooook

Quote:These are the run-of-the-mill girls in the streets. Where are the stunners that people claim the city is so inundated with that you can't not run into them just bey stepping outside?

This girls is run of the Mill??, she looks like at least an 8, what are you talking about?

Quote:Now, I'm not saying most of these girls are unattractive, because they aren't. But what you see here isn't anything you wouldn't see in a city like Berlin or anywhere else in Europe. Sorry.

Yes but there are a shitload more of them in places like Kiev

I honestly think you might be doing the "Anti Tourism" thing with Kiev, nobody in their right mind would say such things

Quote:Whenever someone disagrees with you their judgement is null and void.....Oooooook

Followed by...

Quote:I honestly think you might be doing the "Anti Tourism" thing with Kiev, nobody in their right mind would say such things

Pot, meet Kettle.

At least an 8? So that means she would be a max of, what, 9 or 10? My point exactly. I'm not saying that your rating system is wrong. I suppose it's what you're accustomed to seeing in your personal life or the people you hang around that would elevate her to such a number. I don't think any of those girls are 8's at all. 6.5 and a max of 7. After all, life is all about context.

No shitload of them here, sir. BUT, if you think that girl is an 8, then, yes, this place is heaven for you. I don't know where you are right now or what obligations you have, but you should be on the next thing smoking here. This is your El Dorado.

I think a system on this site should be implemented. Sort of like a legend or guideline where pictures are posted with ratings from 1-10, so people get a general consensus of what is what. I say this only because there are people who may be heavily influenced by the claims of others. And making a trip to a far, foreign lad for some people who have to scrape money to make said trip is horrible.

Ok Don Juan so why did you take pictures of all these girls if they are maximum of a 7?, to show us how bad Kiev is?

Quote:And making a trip to a far, foreign lad for some people who have to scrape money to make said trip is horrible

Nobody I know who has been to Ukraine has complained about the women, the way they look at least. How about all the poor penniless guys that you have discouraged from visiting because you are talking crap?

NYoverseas is not worth engaging, clearly hear to troll and discourage others from visiting Ukraine.

Post: #269

(11-07-2014 02:08 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Quote:f you're referring to Khreshchatyk, nope. I think I'm going to have to do a time lapse video to debunk theories. Sort of like that 10 hour sexual harassment video. Believe me, I want the stories to be true. I really do. I go out with renewed hope that I was just out the wrong day, but it's been too many day after days. Riding subways, walking streets, hitting up Ocean Plaza. It's just another average city.

I am not going to disagree since it been years since I walked that street and I know for a fact that the girls aren't dressing as sexy as they did before 2005. I noticed that in 2007. But trust me...at one time it was GREAT. i suspect many left Ukraien even. Look at the declining population.

Honestly I haven't been to Williams burg. The hipsters scare me. But they did have hot Polish gals years ago..although second and 3rd generation maybe. Also many Hasidim population.

Been years since I have been to Astoria but I remember hot polish blondes and lots of 2nd and 3rd generation Greek Americans with nice asses in the pubs and lounges.

Personally if it was me and I was single I would game in NYC. Might be harder to hook but overall less stress and I know the NYC Russians/FSU gals dig me enough and they aren't less hot than ones in Kiev.Well maybe less number of them that are but who cares right?

One has to consider if going to a city repeatedly that is not that hospitable is worth it. If one isn't having fun what is the point right?
At least in NYC you can go to WO HOP at the end of the night lol.

Oh, I forgot about Greenpoint. I hear the Polish girls out there are smokin'. But I also hear that they prefer to stick with Polish guys, hence the reason why they mainly club and dine in that area. But I don't know since that neighborhood is being gentrified, especially with that show "Girls" bringing attention to it.

Inebriated after hours dining was always a must. Especially places that served breakfast food. And the best SNL technique with a girl who was a part of the night's festivities? "Hey, wanna share a cab?" Mhm. We all know that cab is only stopping at one destination.

Post: #270

(11-07-2014 02:51 PM)TheMusketeer Wrote:  

(11-07-2014 02:41 PM)NYoverSeas Wrote:  

(11-07-2014 02:29 PM)TheMusketeer Wrote:  

Quote:Whenever a person like yourself comes to the rescue of the reputation of Kiev, your judgment is null and void. Because if you're calling what I see on a daily basis, a bunch of beauties, then there's nothing to debate. Your standard is clearly worlds apart

Whenever someone disagrees with you their judgement is null and void.....Oooooook

Quote:These are the run-of-the-mill girls in the streets. Where are the stunners that people claim the city is so inundated with that you can't not run into them just bey stepping outside?

This girls is run of the Mill??, she looks like at least an 8, what are you talking about?

Quote:Now, I'm not saying most of these girls are unattractive, because they aren't. But what you see here isn't anything you wouldn't see in a city like Berlin or anywhere else in Europe. Sorry.

Yes but there are a shitload more of them in places like Kiev

I honestly think you might be doing the "Anti Tourism" thing with Kiev, nobody in their right mind would say such things

Quote:Whenever someone disagrees with you their judgement is null and void.....Oooooook

Followed by...

Quote:I honestly think you might be doing the "Anti Tourism" thing with Kiev, nobody in their right mind would say such things

Pot, meet Kettle.

At least an 8? So that means she would be a max of, what, 9 or 10? My point exactly. I'm not saying that your rating system is wrong. I suppose it's what you're accustomed to seeing in your personal life or the people you hang around that would elevate her to such a number. I don't think any of those girls are 8's at all. 6.5 and a max of 7. After all, life is all about context.

No shitload of them here, sir. BUT, if you think that girl is an 8, then, yes, this place is heaven for you. I don't know where you are right now or what obligations you have, but you should be on the next thing smoking here. This is your El Dorado.

I think a system on this site should be implemented. Sort of like a legend or guideline where pictures are posted with ratings from 1-10, so people get a general consensus of what is what. I say this only because there are people who may be heavily influenced by the claims of others. And making a trip to a far, foreign lad for some people who have to scrape money to make said trip is horrible.

Ok Don Juan so why did you take pictures of all these girls if they are maximum of a 7?, to show us how bad Kiev is?

Quote:And making a trip to a far, foreign lad for some people who have to scrape money to make said trip is horrible

Nobody I know who has been to Ukraine has complained about the women, the way they look at least. How about all the poor penniless guys that you have discouraged from visiting because you are talking crap?

NYoverseas is not worth engaging, clearly hear to troll and discourage others from visiting Ukraine.

Not at all. It was to get a gauge of people's rating systems so that I could adjust mine accordingly.

Hey, kiddo, there's a first time for everything. Now you know one. Once again, I'm not on here ripping them saying they're ugly. I just thought I'd temper the hype. In my opinion, according to my experience, it's no better than other cities I've visited in Europe. Now, you can let this anger you because you believe what you and your buddies believe should absolute and universal, or you can realize that other people have contrary opinions and just let it go.

Disagreeing is what's considered trolling here? Oh, nice to know. I guess everyone had better fall in line and nod with whoever the fuhrer is.

Post: #271

^^^Personally every rating system is different and I never have agreed with the PUA rating system.
I go by what my pops taught me(he did judge beauty contests so whom am I to judge) . 10 is top 10%. 9 is top 20% that doesn't make it into the 10 category.

I always found this way of rating more objective because this way you are comparing girls with other girls and not saying she has to have a certain something to make the grade..which is kind of silly since there are subjective deviations.

If you are using the same system I am using( which logically one should use since it is based on comparison) than I can see your perspective. There can be no more 9's in Kiev than in NYC or Berlin since every city will have a top 20%.

It seems the when westerners go to Kiev they are astounded that the girls who are 4,5,6,7 LOOK better since they tend to be thinner. The girl who makes the top 40% will obviously be better looking in Kiev since in America 69% of women are overweight.
But in this system one can't logically have more 8,9, or 10's in Kiev since the same % of similar shaped girls would be in the west.

The key to the difference is 2 fold:
1. Like you said . They see less minorities that they aren't attracted to so in essence find more girls they are attracted to. It is a perceptional illusion but REAL to them nonetheless.

2. The average girl from 5-7 is more attractive in Kiev due to their cousins in America being overweight and excluded FROM CONSIDERATION. But genetically if they both kept same figure their rating would be similar.

Post: #272

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Post: #273

(11-07-2014 03:02 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  ^^^Personally every rating system is different and I never have agreed with the PUA rating system.
I go by what my pops taught me(he did judge beauty contests so whom am I to judge) . 10 is top 10%. 9 is top 20% that doesn't make it into the 10 category.

I always found this way of rating more objective because this way you are comparing girls with other girls and not saying she has to have a certain something to make the grade..which is kind of silly since there are subjective deviations.

If you are using the same system I am using( which logically one should use since it is based on comparison) than I can see your perspective. There can be no more 9's in Kiev than in NYC or Berlin since every city will have a top 20%.

It seems the when westerners go to Kiev they are astounded that the girls who are 4,5,6,7 LOOK better since they tend to be thinner. The girl who makes the top 40% will obviously be better looking in Kiev since in America 69% of women are overweight.
But in this system one can't logically have more 8,9, or 10's in Kiev since the same % of similar shaped girls would be in the west.

The key to the difference is 2 fold:
1. Like you said . They see less minorities that they aren't attracted to so in essence find more girls they are attracted to. It is a perceptional illusion but REAL to them nonetheless.

2. The average girl from 5-7 is more attractive in Kiev due to their cousins in America being overweight and excluded FROM CONSIDERATION. But genetically if they both kept same figure their rating would be similar.

Your method seems sound.

Is the rest of America really that bad? I must have blinders on and mentally block girls out then. I don't recall ever being in a U.S. city where my disappointments weren't balanced out with pleasant surprises. Then again, I only stick with metropolis'.

I've always been surrounded by thin girls or athletically toned ones. My idea of fat is what some people would praise as "thick." So I suppose it's quite foreign to me that some guys are mostly surrounded by that. My condolences.

Post: #274

Although I find the verbal jabbing between NYOverseas and Jim interesting this thread seems to have gone off course. Let's get back to OhioNukes reports. I want to hear how his Thursday night in Kiev went.

Post: #275

(11-05-2014 12:14 PM)rishboy77 Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 11:08 AM)diego69 Wrote:  ohionukes, I did not see this phenomenon of hungriness - maybe hungry for dinners on my account even by 8+ girls, but not desperate to leave the country and for sure not easy to bang.
I assume for a month+ time you can multi date many girls in parallel which after few dates only little part of those would bang you, not bad at all, but still plenty of work.
The challenge is how to know who is coming for the free meal/drink/test her English and who is coming for you.

Diego - your experiences mirror mine. I did never see a lot of educated over 30 that I would call a 8+ but LinkedIn is great source for guys wanting that type of women.
Did you try Tinder in Kiev ?

Just seeing this today. Yeah my experiences are the same as Diego's and Rishboy's as I wrote in the Ukraine III thread. Did not experience anything like what ohionukes is saying (unfortunately). People are worried in Kiev but still doing their daily grind and living their lives. There is much more patriotism now among Ukrainians as they fight through this crisis - a lot probably due to all the propaganda there but of course the situation as well. At least the situation as portrayed to them by their media (which is telling them Russia has basically invaded and is pushing towards taking all of Donbas and much of the southeast coast and then who knows).

I have been out with Diego and he is a very good approacher and does a ton of it so can rep his game. I think generally the clubs are better now but still not that great - Saxon seemed to be pretty good for younger student types, while Coyote Ugly gets a continuous stream of bachelorette or 'girls night out' parties on Thursday - Sunday which makes it ok. I think Shooters has seen better days with what seem to be now mostly Turkish sex tourists and pros and semi-pros everywhere.

(11-06-2014 08:25 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  TripleG - great post and yes I get the same feeling.
Travelling is an expensive drug, which doesn't always get you high.
The only solution is to be location independent or located in Western Europe, which I have done the latter and strongly contemplating again.
As you know when you have tasted the fine wine in those region, it's hard to adjust to the stuff they serve back home.

Same for me. I think you need to be in Europe somewhere (at least for several long periods of time) to really make it work unless you are a master gamer who can party every night of the week like Slubu or can cruise around for a couple months daygaming like CR. Unfortunately the crazy nightgame days are over for me so I have to pick my battles (still trying to get better at day game). It makes me healthier anyway so no bid loss + I am getting into the 'older, wiser guy' groove more and more. But the biggest thing for me is being close to all these places year-round, as it's really really difficult to adjust to the garbage that's served up back home unless you're in NYC.