Post: #126

The funny thing is that true misogyny exists right within those countries with rampant immigration. It is not the Players, the PUAs or manosphere bloggers that feminists and mainstream press are so obsessed about.

It exists within those communities where men are being taught that every woman but a virgin is a slut and is thus worthless. While it may not sound so PC-friendly and certainly not popular, we simply have to address the issue with an open mind and admit that Muslim communities are having an endemic problem at the current time - morals from the middle ages while living in times as these do not mix well.

Here a short documentary on the "Lover-Boys" of Netherlands: - thanks @Fighting888:





Those guys are usually second generation North Africans - often good-looking and with some automatic "real-misogyny" Game. Their targets are young girls, but usually sexually mature - make them fall in love with you, gang-rape them, let them work for you and abuse them while still telling them lies about you loving her.

The Pakistanis - unable to replicate that process with sexually mature and somewhat experienced girls - have to focus on younger girls or even taking them by force, which only makes the problem worse.

And the real scandal in my opinion is not the fact that it happened, but that social workers, the media, feminists, the police, politicians, community elders, their own families and acquaintances as well as their religious local leaders did little or nothing to expose those things. The feminists still do shit about it - they always attack fake misogynists like Roosh, Tuthmosis or Matt Forney, but leave aside those nice fallas here:

   


@Lizard - truly sad if you believe that those mugshot-Omegas would be able to seduce many 16-18 year old teens. At the ages of 15-18 you need looks to a high degree and the "Loverboys" of Netherlands have that in contrast to those turds here. They could have only used some bullshitting with fresh-off-the-boat Pakistani teens and simple brute force.

Post: #127

(09-02-2014 04:36 AM)Deluge Wrote:  ^Judging from maps of Europe there seems to be a positive correlation between inbreeding and attractiveness. We already know that humans do actually sexually select for a small level of inbreeding in partners, perhaps to maximize the chances of their extended families genes being reproduced. I wonder if any research has been done on whether there is an optimal level of inbreeding that promotes increased attractiveness, or if the correlation in Europe is just a coincidence.


I found it interesting that the tactics these grooming gangs used are literally exactly the same as the ones American pimps use. Wouldn't be surprised if they'd read themselves some Iceberg Slim.

While estimating based off journalists investigations of but 38 randomly chosen cases is too small a sample size, estimating via samples is the only practical way of counting how many children were abused considering the sheer number of cases that Rothertham's children's and social services must have over the last 15 years. No doubt more thorough investigations are already underway, we'll see what happens to the estimates. However, the fact that the posters with the most experience with places like Rothertham and Britain's relatively large white underclass are the ones who are the least skeptical of these claims says a lot in my opinion.

(09-01-2014 08:54 PM)Fighting888 Wrote:  I think the shocking point is that British South Asians are 21x more likely to be child groomers. That's astronomically bad. The ratio is probably even worse, as the British South Asian category includes Indians, who are not represented in the grooming cases. If we compare the ratio of South Asian Muslims to white British, the ratio is ~30x.

Here's another way to think about it. 4.5% of British are Muslim, but about half the groomers are Muslim.

Limit it to just Pakistani's and the ratio would be even higher.

Yep if you said just pakistanis the ratio would be ridiculous

Post: #128

Been reading more about this case

It appears there are Catholic church like levels of sexual abuse with British Pakistanis and other Muslims and that most of it is not reported.

For example Muslim landlords rape Muslim tenants but nothing is said as it will shame them if they go to the police. Also women within Muslim families are frequently attacked and raped by their own family members but it is all hushed up

In London there was a story in the Guardian about networks of older Muslim men that look for dates with teenage Muslim girls and then rape them. As they are not supposed to be dating it never gets reported.

This answers my 'Is Islam red pill' thread. Islam is putting back the treatment of women by a thousand years yet feminists are too busy saying men that check Jlaw photos are 'abusers' and saying there is 'rape culture' everywhere

What I think is that this will be a landmark moment for multiculturalism in the UK and that it may lead to people becoming openly nationalistic.

Rape is a disgusting crime that evokes strong feelings and in Norway the Muslim rape wave turned a liberal population into ethnic nationalists almost over night.

I suspect this will not be the last we will hear of this issue but when the pushback happens it will not be nice. British people normally take a while to react but rest assured there will be a reaction.

Post: #129

Here's one girl's account: http://leftfootforward.org/2014/09/i-was...nal-story/

getting me hooked on drugs [hamster], yes they were all Pakistani Muslim, but they were a criminal minority subculture. They did not represent the vast majority of Muslims in Britain. In fact, they were racist towards all other ethnicities and despised other Muslims who were integrating.
I was with a friend (yes a proper friend, who sees that you get home safely and looks out for you and after you), a Pakistani Muslim who owned a market stall, and we were walking through our town centre. He was attacked by a gang of Pakistani Muslims who beat him up for the sole reason that he was mixing with white people.

Post: #130

If feminists start up on Muslims, there will be repercussions. There is no shame for Muslim men to belt a woman, no social conditioning that prevents it.

And that says all you need to know, feminists are cowards.

That's is core behind the 'never hit a woman' instead of 'never hit anybody'. To socially condition men to never hit back is to essentially disarm them. For women to then hit men is akin to tipping a quadriplegic out of his wheelchair.

The excuse will then be he did something to deserve being hit. They decree between acceptable and unacceptable behavior.

Feminists want women to have a monopoly on judgment.

Muslims won't permit that, hence feminists cower away

Post: #131

Almost every poster here is always saying "Muslims" like they form a sole continent.

There are white muslims, black muslims, hispanic muslims...

It's just stupid to call them by their religion, because you are making the assumption that french born muslims behave the same as Muslim people in America, or Muslim people in Lesotho.

Further, being in a country with dominant Muslim does not mean you are one. And even in these countries, some Arab Christians still adopt the same behaviours. This REEKS of culture. The Arab and South Asian cultures. Which are diametrally opposed to,say, the American culture.

I wonder how many times I will need to repeat it.

Post: #132

(09-02-2014 09:22 AM)mikado Wrote:  Almost every poster here is always saying "Muslims" like they form a sole continent.

There are white muslims, black muslims, hispanic muslims...

Posters in this thread are saying Muslim to refer to the Pakistani Muslims directly related to the events described throughout.

It's obvious from the context when people talk about Muslims in this thread they aren't talking about the ginger-bearded converts who went from "Lawrence" to "Faisal", or the Saudi royal family, or the population of Indonesia.

All of those Muslims probably have their own issues, but when it comes to gang-raping and pimping out girls in shithole northern English towns, the Pakistani Muslims have the market cornered.

"I'd hate myself if I had that kind of attitude, if I were that weak." - Arnold

Post: #133

(09-02-2014 10:15 AM)Benoit Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 09:22 AM)mikado Wrote:  Almost every poster here is always saying "Muslims" like they form a sole continent.

There are white muslims, black muslims, hispanic muslims...

Posters in this thread are saying Muslim to refer to the Pakistani Muslims directly related to the events described throughout.

It's obvious from the context when people talk about Muslims in this thread they aren't talking about the ginger-bearded converts who went from "Lawrence" to "Faisal", or the Saudi royal family, or the population of Indonesia.

All of those Muslims probably have their own issues, but when it comes to gang-raping and pimping out girls in shithole northern English towns, the Pakistani Muslims have the market cornered.

Ok.
Then call them Pakistani Muslims.

Post: #134

(09-02-2014 09:22 AM)mikado Wrote:  This REEKS of culture.

Pakistani's are only 38% of British Muslims. This grooming shit seems to be a specifically Pakistani problem, it doesn't seem to be coming from U.K's Arab, Nigerian or even Bangladeshi Muslims. Northern England's Muslims are mostly Pakistani. If this was a broader Muslim problem you'd expect to see more of these cases coming from places like Tower Hamlets or Newham instead of Rotherham.

Post: #135

@All the British posters here:

This issue seems to me to be about either the failures of assimilation, or the "growing pains" of assimilation from one culture to another. Or, we could see it as just the atypical behavior of a rogue criminal gang, and it has no bearing on anything in Pakistani culture.

I really don't know. I have very little exposure to Pakistanis and know almost nothing about their culture. But I doubt highly that this type of thing would be acceptable in their societies. In fact, my guess is that if these criminals tried to get away with this shit in their home countries, they would be lynched by a mob or shot by the girls' family members.

Post: #136

^ To Deluge and Mikado, it is cultural.

But they believe they are justified due to their religion. If you asked them, they'd say that.

Watch this first 5 mins of this documentary that I've posted earlier. These are exactly the type of men who have been doing these crimes.

Note how one at around the 4 minute mark is wearing a 'ISLAM 4 LIFE' t-shirt.

Being a Muslim forms a huge part of their identity, and it's created a them v us mindset. Underclass young men have always rallied behind a flag, it just so happens the Pakistanis in the UK choose their religion. When that religion says what it does about unbelievers and so on, it's very easy for them to use it as a justification.

However, this is a phenomena unique to Pakistanis, and as I've said numerous times - several other things are at play here, not just their religion.

Ghettoisation, segregation, and allowing people to lead separate lives in one country (multiculturalism) is what has led to those deeply unpleasant men in that video. The left has a hell of a lot to answer for. And so do the preachers and Imams who say that integration is bad, which is probably the main thing religion-wise that has helped them form their view on white girls.

Quintus, it's indeed due to problems with assimilation/integration. As I said above.

I think sexual repression in their own community, combined with the hypersexuality they see in society at large could be highlighted also.

Post: #137

(09-02-2014 10:32 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  This issue seems to me to be about either the failures of assimilation, or the "growing pains" of assimilation from one culture to another. Or, we could see it as just the atypical behavior of a rogue criminal gang, and it has no bearing on anything in Pakistani culture.

If the cause was the failure of assimilation you'd expect to see this happening more broadly among Muslims, not just Pakistani's. With the Bangladeshi's you have a community that is also Muslim and South Asian, yet there are no grooming cases coming out of Tower Hamlet's which is 1/3 Bangaldeshi and the most Muslim area in the U.K. 40% of British Muslim's live in London yet relatively few of those are Pakistani and even less are Kashmiri, unlike Northern mill towns such as Rotherham. The root of this problem therefore is most likely cultural. If anybody here is an expert on Kashmiri culture feel free to chime in.

(09-02-2014 10:32 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  I really don't know. I have very little exposure to Pakistanis and know almost nothing about their culture. But I doubt highly that this type of thing would be acceptable in their societies. In fact, my guess is that if these criminals tried to get away with this shit in their home countries, they would be lynched by a mob or shot by the girls' family members.

You'd be surprised. You'd think these things would get you your head chopped off, but homosexuality runs rampant in Saudi and Afghanistan has the Baccha.

Post: #138

There was a documentary last night on sexual abuse in Pakistan, it is very widespread, particularly of young boys and men

After this scandal there are people saying that the groomg and rape of young Paki men will be the next huge scandal with it all being hushed up for 'honour' purposes

Post: #139

Well then, there it is.

If someone wants to live in a country, he has an obligation to respect the customs, mores, and traditions of that country. Not to do so is deeply disrespectful. The chickenshit politicians who allow minority groups to set up parallel societies are basically selling out their own nations.

I would say the same thing regardless of what group we're talking about. For example, I recently read of an ultra-orthodox Judaic "cult" that was chased out of Guatemala for deliberately failing to assimilate, and for adopting an adversarial attitude towards the local people. Here is the story:

http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Ultra-Orth...als-372772

Guatemala, it seems, is not yet crippled by multicultural political correctness.

A recent print edition of The Economist magazine had a story on the Chinese who are immigrating to African nations. There are going to be millions of these people in Africa. It's another sad story of a minority group refusing to assimilate.

But the outlook is not good. By all accounts, the Chinese despise the Africans, seeing them as thieves and scoundrels. Furthermore, the Chinese care about nothing except exploiting the environment and making money, and human rights be damned. They live in separate compounds, eat their own food, mix with their own, and could care less about the local customs. They sell junk as small shopkeepers, and undercut their local competition by flooding the market with cheap junk imported from China.

But they can do it, because the Chinese have money and can buy off all the corrupt governments in Africa. So, the whole continent is basically up for auction.

Sad. But this is what happens when your leaders sell out their people.

Post: #140

I'll be frank - Pakistanis in the UK are fucking thick as fuck, this was proved by school reports on performances by ethnicity (when it was allowed by OFSTED back in the 90's) where Pakistani boys and girls scored the lowest. I don't know the reasons behind this but my father holds a certain position within the local health authority which has a large number of Pakistani patients and the number of child deaths are really high in proportion to other ethnicities. When you go for a blood test and your doctor tells you that one of his 7 day old blind patients with 3 eyes has just died, you know why he has that mutation.

Post: #141

Jezebel is finally covering this story:
http://jezebel.com/new-details-emerge-in...1629539480

Post: #142

(09-02-2014 12:05 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  A recent print edition of The Economist magazine had a story on the Chinese who are immigrating to African nations. There are going to be millions of these people in Africa. It's another sad story of a minority group refusing to assimilate.

But the outlook is not good. By all accounts, the Chinese despise the Africans, seeing them as thieves and scoundrels. Furthermore, the Chinese care about nothing except exploiting the environment and making money, and human rights be damned. They live in separate compounds, eat their own food, mix with their own, and could care less about the local customs. They sell junk as small shopkeepers, and undercut their local competition by flooding the market with cheap junk imported from China.

The Chinese will settle there. I've read plans ranging back to the 1930s that it would be good for Africa to be settled by Chinese. The likelihood is high, that it will be similar to the Philippines where the ethnic Chinese comprise 5% of the population, but control about 50% of the wealth.

But frankly this kind of immigration would benefit Africa - they might become the new ruling plutocracy, but at least they would create an orderly system - that is if they truly settle there for good.

Europe and the US & Canada are set up for destruction. It is as Jacques Attali put it (high level EU "consultant"): Africa and Europe will "attain" a similar living standard in the next decades. But not in the sense that Africa's standard will rise that much, but that Europe's living standard will fall to a very basic level similar to that of the African continent. And I am sure that kind of equilibrium is planned for the US and Canada as well - not too much difference shall there be between Mexico, Argentina and the US sometime around 2050.

Post: #143

I don't know where some of the posters are getting the idea that there are very little Pakistanis in London. The Midlands and London are full of Pakistanis, it's only a matter of time before more 'Rotheram' type stories come out.

Even though Bangladesh used to technically be 'East Pakistan', they are ethnically and culturally quite different from proper Pakistanis. Although they suffer from some of the same ills, inbreeding, child grooming and general degeneracy are now way near as prevalent.

The Indian muslims by and large behave themselves (especially Gujarati muslims), although some of the 'newer' immigrant muslim groups have bought with them their degenerate quirks.

Post: #144

Getting slightly tired at tripe posted about how this isn't islamic or what not. Yes it is, to a very high degree, the early muslims took sex slaves by the millions and the most coveted were white, blonde, blue eyed women and young boys. They sailed all the way up to Kiev to kidnap slaves. So you know what? Yes, this is a muslim thing and islam is the enabler of this kind of behavior. Every kind of fundamentalist islamic country has problems with slavery including the very rich and 'worldly' Emirates.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery

Quote:In Islamic law (Sharia), Ma malakat aymanukum is the term for slaves or captives of war. According to Muslim theologians, it is lawful for male masters to have sexual relations with female captives and slaves,[49][50] regardless of whether or not the slave woman gave her consent.[51] The purchase of female slaves for sex was lawful from the perspective of Islamic law, and this was the most common motive for the purchase of slaves throughout Islamic history.[52]

Listen guys, I think we do ourselves and others a great disservice if we listen to someone like Mikado, when the facts are entirely different. The truth is the truth, slavery and sexual slavery is a mainstay in Islam, some would say it is the reason for islam.

Quote:Between 1530 and 1780 there were almost certainly 1 million and quite possibly as many as 1.25 million white, European Christians enslaved by the Muslims of the Barbary Coast.[101]

That's the white slaves, not to forget all the african ones, the hundred of thousand indian slaves. Give me a break, it's pc bs, to ignore this. Islam is built on slavery. Islamic slavery by far surpasses the trans-atlantic slavery. You know what, I hate to get riled up, but it makes me slightly agitated when muslims and apologists are clearly ignorant about the topic.

Post: #145

Yes Ottoman emperors had harems full of slavic women slaves

Post: #146

1...2...3... and come in Mikado...

@ Berserk - I totally agree with you man, good post.

(09-02-2014 05:06 PM)berserk Wrote:  Getting slightly tired at tripe posted about how this isn't islamic or what not. Yes it is, to a very high degree, the early muslims took sex slaves by the millions and the most coveted were white, blonde, blue eyed women and young boys. They sailed all the way up to Kiev to kidnap slaves. So you know what? Yes, this is a muslim thing and islam is the enabler of this kind of behavior. Every kind of fundamentalist islamic country has problems with slavery including the very rich and 'worldly' Emirates.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery

Quote:In Islamic law (Sharia), Ma malakat aymanukum is the term for slaves or captives of war. According to Muslim theologians, it is lawful for male masters to have sexual relations with female captives and slaves,[49][50] regardless of whether or not the slave woman gave her consent.[51] The purchase of female slaves for sex was lawful from the perspective of Islamic law, and this was the most common motive for the purchase of slaves throughout Islamic history.[52]

Listen guys, I think we do ourselves and others a great disservice if we listen to someone like Mikado, when the facts are entirely different. The truth is the truth, slavery and sexual slavery is a mainstay in Islam, some would say it is the reason for islam.

Quote:Between 1530 and 1780 there were almost certainly 1 million and quite possibly as many as 1.25 million white, European Christians enslaved by the Muslims of the Barbary Coast.[101]

That's the white slaves, not to forget all the african ones, the hundred of thousand indian slaves. Give me a break, it's pc bs, to ignore this. Islam is built on slavery. Islamic slavery by far surpasses the trans-atlantic slavery. You know what, I hate to get riled up, but it makes me slightly agitated when muslims and apologists are clearly ignorant about the topic.

Post: #147

I think everyone here knows Arabs historically dominated the world slave trade. They owned so many slaves for so long that virtually all Arab's today have recent African ancestors. But if the grooming is mainly among Pakistani's, and particularly from a certain part of Pakistan, there has to be something specific going on there. Perhaps sexual slavery in Mirpuri was never outlawed in practice like it was in the rest of the modern world at some point since the colonial era.

@007 40% of British Muslims live in London but only 17-18% of Pakistani's do, and that is even lower for Mirpuri's.

Post: #148

Arabs used to practice slavery long time before the Prophet came.

This is one of the cultural issues Teedub explained earlier, 4-5 posts earlier.

They took advantadge from religion to JUSTIFY slavery.

This is far from a proof that the religion is the one encouraging and promoting slavery.

The day we see Muslims from outside the Middle East and Non Arabs practice slavery on a consequent basis, then we can say that Islam promotes slavery.

Concerning the ad hominem attacks: IDGAF , Berserk. Calling other people ignorant for the sake of doing it IS the true ignorance.
Now go learn some lesson on how to politely disagree with others. Then come back after that.

@007:
You sure seem to love my interventions much?
Always a pleasure to call out white christian nationalists and religion haters, bro.

Quote:Between 1530 and 1780 there were almost certainly 1 million and quite possibly as many as 1.25 million white, European Christians enslaved by the Muslims of the Barbary Coast.

Let's not forget all the murders, thefts and crimes commited towards Muslims and African people during recent centuries, and even in our modern history (Middle East, Africa...) who ALSO participated in slavery... Sure, WHITE EUROPEAN CHRISTIANS are free of any guilt.
Give me a break.

Post: #149

What can you say. A lot of men are savages.

We love women here. It's our fault. We can't help it. We love our Mums and our Sisters. We just want a good catch to match our vision for a better future. A nice girlfriend. Or as an ideal a nice wife.

We were pretty much brought up rather well, and if not, then we brought ourselves up well. Excuse me for being presumptuous, but I've had little difficulty with getting along with other Men on this board, despite our opposing viewpoints.

We are no White Knights. But, I assure you of this, if we ever saw such behaviour in our community, we would swiftly kick the shit out of them, not to put too fine a point on it.

But this is not just about our outrage and bravado. A bigger game is being played here. I don't doubt that subversive elements have taken advantage under the guise of political correctness. But this UK government of ours loves to set one against the other in a divide and conquer fashion. Not all Asian men are like this. Each must be met on his own merit. It is still innocent until proven guilty here I'm afraid, depsite what the overlords might say. They would love us to start a race war.

Condemn the guilty. Show them no mercy. But realise that there are good and bad everywhere. When the time comes and the lines are drawn, then yes, we shall go into battle. But thank God we are not there yet. We have each other. Black, White, Brown, Yellow, Green! Let's stick together and not let these pricks kick us about!

If this situation ever did develop. It was because it was allowed to develop. Not on my watch! And not on yours too, brothers! Who would have ever allowed their sister to be treated as such?

Even more reason for our argument. Ever more grist to our mill.

Post: #150

See also:

Global report on trafficking in persons
http://www.unodc.org/unodc/data-and-anal...lotip.html

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The Global Report 2012 provides an overview of patterns and flows of trafficking in persons at global, regional and national levels, based on trafficking cases detected between 2007 and 2010 (or more recent). The report also includes a chapter on the worldwide response to trafficking in persons. The Country Profiles of the Global Report present a national level analysis for each of the 132 countries covered by this edition of the report.
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See how many sex slaves there are in your area. See who brought them in.

I think this is the most recent report. It has figures for the UK. If not, you can find it.

If gives startling statistics. If you can believe it. I do. They would have had to go to a lot of trouble to fake it. But I'd still be interested to hear what you think.