Post: #76

(08-28-2014 03:40 AM)Crackshot Wrote:  Lizard your denialism is why this problem got out of control.

I am not bothered. UKIP government coming soon so we will have our revenge for what's been done to my homeland

The UK has been sponsoring Islamic fundamentalism abroad for decades and working closely with our biggest ally Saudi so now it has all blown up in our face

You said it yourself: the problem is due to coddling Islamic fundamentalists. Not because of "denialism".

Mass imports of savage and uncivilized people from some of the poorest regions of the world and tolerance of their despicable behaviour are the same issue as the panic and falsification of actual crime stats. Why? Let me explain:

The people who promote this sort of immigration are the same sort of people who create moral panics about misogyny, abuse, trafficking and homophobia.

These people thrive on and profit from displaying victims. In one case victims are poor people from 3rd world countries ruined by "colonialism" (and then "discrimination" once they move to a country like UK), while in another case victims are 16-year old girls raised by single mothers who behaved stupidly. The situation where it's possible to claim victimization on both sides is a wet dream to these people. We don't know what the truth is, but the scent of bullshit is on the wind.

No one is denying that children were molested and that it wasn't investigated properly because of "racism" fears and that it's outrageous, but you have to realize that the people peddling you this insane claims about "1400 abused children" (reading which makes me enraged because I imagine an airplane hangar full of 6-12 year old girls being raped over and over, like any sensible person would react to such loaded claims) are the same kind of people who have brought in these immigrants on the pretense of UK somehow being responsible for them and not being allowed to control them once they get in. They caused it in the first place!



The person who will throw you in jail for sleeping with a perfectly willing 17 year old in a club (even if it happened overseas) is the same kind of person who will bring in an Islamic fundamentalist from Pakistan to actually forcefully rape that 17 year old later.

In this case, it's easily possible that the same person who woke up in the morning looked at 38 cases of possible abuse (not specified what kind) and guessed that there must obviously be 1400 raped children then went to work in the afternoon - to their cushy office at a university where they are currently writing a sociology article about the benefits of multiculturalism.

This, not "denialism", is what makes this situation so outrageous. It's pure hypocrisy of liberal policies on display.

Post: #77

(08-27-2014 05:20 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I guess Ken Barlow, Jimmy Saville, Cliff Richard, Gary Glitter are innocent, right!

But the pakis must be guilty.

ISIS is another CIA make believe organization.

I don't really understand your point either, however:


"Ken Barlow" aka William Roache *is* innocent

Quote:But Louise Blackwell QC, defending, said the women's evidence "lacked sense and credibility".

In court, the woman making the rape claims changed her mind about how old she was at the time.

Another woman initially told police she was warned about Mr Roache by actor Johnny Briggs, who played Mike Baldwin, but when it was discovered he was not in the show at the time she said the warning had come from a different actor.

Jimmy Saville? He definitely did *something*, but because of the publicity and political involvement, everyone is accepting as gospel truth claims where it's blatantly obvious that they're bullshit:

Quote:Wythenshawe Hospital, Manchester. 17 page report by theDivisional Head of Nursing with a 15 strong team of investigators and legally advised by Hill Dickinson LLP

Quote: Operation Yewtree recorded an allegation related to a conversation which took place in the presence of Patient A in the day room of a ward at Wythenshawe Hospital in 1962/1963, but concerned Jimmy Savile’s conduct at his home and not at Wythenshawe Hospital. During the course of a general conversation, Patient B, made a comment about Jimmy Savile. During this conversation Patient B told a group of patients, including Patient A, ‘Jimmy Savile was a dirty old man up to no good’ and that he used to hold parties at his house and very young girls were amongst the guests.

The 15 strong investigating swung into action to ‘establish the facts and chronology pertaining to the evidence provided by Patient A and offer support, if appropriate’. (Support? For having been told 50 years ago that Jimmy Savile was a dirty old man?)

No evidence was identified by the investigation team to suggest that Jimmy Savile was ever present on the Wythenshawe Hospital site. There was no incident and no victim was identified.

Cliff Richard appears to be the victim of publicity-hungry police trying to set themselves up for a public speaking / consulting career:

Quote:Last year, apparently, a complaint was made to police that the singer had indecently assaulted a youth in Sheffield a quarter of a century ago. The police had a duty to investigate, seek any corroborating evidence, and then – and only if they had reasonable grounds to suspect him of committing an offence – to give him the opportunity to refute those suspicions before a decision to charge is made.

But here, police subverted due process by waiting until Richard had left for vacation, and then orchestrating massive publicity for the raid on his house, before making any request for interview and before any question could arise of arresting or charging him.

Gary Glitter? He did it and was convicted in a court of law.


This is why I counsel caution, stop uncritically believing the bullshit that's reported as news just because it fits your preferred narrative.

"I'd hate myself if I had that kind of attitude, if I were that weak." - Arnold

Post: #78

HCE - As I said in my last post, lots of these girls were kids out of care homes etc, groomed with promise of nice things etc. Not "16 years old's who behaved badly." Doused in petrol, and told they'd be set alight if they told anyone. Sure that might have only happened once or twice, but these same gangs did similar things to other girls. As someone else said, this kind of grooming is sometimes worse than one-off rape as it creates a disgusting kind of 'relationship' between these gangs and the victims.

Again, unless you're familiar with the segregation, cultural encroachment, colonial guilt (from the hosts), cultural inferiority complexes (from the immigrants) etc that are encapsulated in these types of English towns, it's a tricky thing to get your head around what actually happened. In a completely separate town, a Pakistani takeaway got done for abusing 60 girls, one of which was killed and then joked about that she'd been turned into kebab meat!

I understand what people are saying, but I also think Lizard, HCE etc, are completely missing the significance of the revelations, especially when added to the numerous others, one of which I linked to.

Anyway, I think I'm done on this issue, as it seems we're going in circles.

Post: #79

This will be covered up because it sums up what a momentous failure multiculturalism and Islam in the UK has been.

No politician wants to admit it has all been a disaster

This is the boil on the nose that nobody wants to lance

Post: #80

(08-26-2014 04:28 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  I agree that having a large hostile Muslim population in the heart of England is a terrible idea and is having and will have all kinds of bad consequences.

But you don't have to buy into hysterical and absurdly exaggerated reports about daily "child rape" and "trafficking" -- reports that make these places sound like Congo at the height of civil war -- to argue that point.

if you have been to rotherham you will understand that its predominantly dominated by indian immigrants and small minority bangladeshis flocking around and opening their mini shops with some notice boards displayed in bengali

Yes , Lot of Rape and abuse is perpetrated by pakistani muslims, brits call them are Asians( Pakistanis and indians are not Asiatic people, they are mostly Australoid mixed with slight Caucasian gene,

Much of Southern UK, Especially Yorkshire is filled with Indian immigrants

Post: #81

There is also a huge disconnect between British and US posters on this thread

I think the Americans don't understand the UK or the northern mill towns at all and therefore have no idea what is going on

Post: #82

(08-28-2014 04:49 AM)Crackshot Wrote:  This will be covered up because it sums up what a momentous failure multiculturalism and Islam in the UK has been.

No politician wants to admit it has all been a disaster

This is the boil on the nose that nobody wants to lance

Multiculturalism is a disaster , no one with an IQ over 100 believes in multicultural nonsense, having said that ..I repeat it again, there is something seriously wrong with people from South Asia( Call them what ever you want, indians, pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Srilankans,Afghanis)

Just if you examine south asia, you have over 1.8 Billion people and their societies fare far worse than Subsaharan African regions

Almost 5 States in India with population of over 650 Million have living standards worse than subsaharan africa, over 850 Million indians live less than $2 a day

Much of pakistan is in same shape that it used to be when brits packed their bags after WW2

People Call Africa as " Dark Continent", in my view South asia performs worse than africa on many development parameters, add this to a culture of nepotism, fraud,treacherous behavior,corruption which is quite common among these people


To be honest, i have seen many Pakistanis, Indians being too arrogant and rude,they have chip on their shoulder....There is something seriously wrong with some cultures..you can pretend to ignore this truth only for a short period of time...

This is why Multicultural societies will eventually end up becoming corrupt and low Trust societies

Post: #83

(08-28-2014 04:51 AM)roman Kesarov Wrote:  if you have been to rotherham you will understand that its predominantly dominated by indian immigrants and small minority bangladeshis flocking around and opening their mini shops with some notice boards displayed in bengali

Yes , Lot of Rape and abuse is perpetrated by pakistani muslims, brits call them are Asians( Pakistanis and indians are not Asiatic people, they are mostly Australoid mixed with slight Caucasian gene,

Much of Southern UK, Especially Yorkshire is filled with Indian immigrants

I know I said I wouldn't comment again but haha, I can't let that slip. I understand English is your second language.

Indians tend to live in their own, affluent areas, or side by side with middle class white people. Pakistanis tend to live in segregated ghettos, with the odd affluent one living in middle class suburbs.

Indians, Pakistanis etc are caucasian in the scientific sense of the word....hence why they have the same features as Europeans (same as Middle Eastern people), just different skin colour.

Lastly, Yorkshire isn't Southern, it's...well, Yorkshire. Southern 'UK' (I think you meant England) is the 'posh' places like Hertforshire, Surrey and so on. Multiculturalism has only failed with Pakistani Muslims on the most part, don't equate them with Indians, or any other 'Asian' group for that matter.

Post: #84

(08-28-2014 05:05 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

(08-28-2014 04:51 AM)roman Kesarov Wrote:  if you have been to rotherham you will understand that its predominantly dominated by indian immigrants and small minority bangladeshis flocking around and opening their mini shops with some notice boards displayed in bengali

Yes , Lot of Rape and abuse is perpetrated by pakistani muslims, brits call them are Asians( Pakistanis and indians are not Asiatic people, they are mostly Australoid mixed with slight Caucasian gene,

Much of Southern UK, Especially Yorkshire is filled with Indian immigrants

I know I said I wouldn't comment again but haha, I can't let that slip. I understand English is your second language.

Indians tend to live in their own, affluent areas, or side by side with middle class white people. Pakistanis tend to live in segregated ghettos, with the odd affluent one living in middle class suburbs.

Indians, Pakistanis etc are caucasian in the scientific sense of the word....hence why they have the same features as Europeans (same as Middle Eastern people), just different skin colour.

Lastly, Yorkshire isn't Southern, it's...well, Yorkshire. Southern 'UK' (I think you meant England) is the 'posh' places like Hertforshire, Surrey and so on. Multiculturalism has only failed with Pakistani Muslims on the most part, don't equate them with Indians, or any other 'Asian' group for that matter.

Lot of Visa fraud consultancies in UK, Australia ,USA, Canada were run by indians,

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/nri/o...050560.cms
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/nri/u...989793.cms


Only difference between indians and pakistanis is indians are good in covering up things.

Pakistanis commit small frauds, they are petty thieves, but their indian brothers are rob in Billions

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/nri/u...612373.cms

Most indians commit white collar scams and frauds, in malaysia 95 % of prisoners belong to Indian Malay ethnic background

Post: #85

(08-28-2014 05:05 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

(08-28-2014 04:51 AM)roman Kesarov Wrote:  if you have been to rotherham you will understand that its predominantly dominated by indian immigrants and small minority bangladeshis flocking around and opening their mini shops with some notice boards displayed in bengali

Yes , Lot of Rape and abuse is perpetrated by pakistani muslims, brits call them are Asians( Pakistanis and indians are not Asiatic people, they are mostly Australoid mixed with slight Caucasian gene,

Much of Southern UK, Especially Yorkshire is filled with Indian immigrants

I know I said I wouldn't comment again but haha, I can't let that slip. I understand English is your second language.

Indians tend to live in their own, affluent areas, or side by side with middle class white people. Pakistanis tend to live in segregated ghettos, with the odd affluent one living in middle class suburbs.

Indians, Pakistanis etc are caucasian in the scientific sense of the word....hence why they have the same features as Europeans (same as Middle Eastern people), just different skin colour.

Lastly, Yorkshire isn't Southern, it's...well, Yorkshire. Southern 'UK' (I think you meant England) is the 'posh' places like Hertforshire, Surrey and so on. Multiculturalism has only failed with Pakistani Muslims on the most part, don't equate them with Indians, or any other 'Asian' group for that matter.

Endemic Visa fraud is very common in India

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/nri/u...770069.cms

http://indianexpress.com/article/world/i...ail-in-uk/

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/...63081.html



Pakistanis steal in thousands or possibly they rape innocent girls in uk, but indians steal in billions.

Post: #86

(08-28-2014 04:02 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  The person who will throw you in jail for sleeping with a perfectly willing 17 year old in a club (even if it happened overseas) is the same kind of person who will bring in an Islamic fundamentalist from Pakistan to actually forcefully rape that 17 year old later.

In this case, it's easily possible that the same person who woke up in the morning looked at 38 cases of possible abuse (not specified what kind) and guessed that there must obviously be 1400 raped children then went to work in the afternoon - to their cushy office at a university where they are currently writing a sociology article about the benefits of multiculturalism.

Exactly. Great post, HCE.

To Teedub, and the other English guys on the thread:

I am completely in sympathy with your disgust with the situation in England, and northern England in particular. I cannot emphasize that strongly enough.

If I were an Englishman, I would be disgusted and outraged by the fact that these Pakistani gangs are allowed to run rampant in my country and terrorize other people, including young girls. I would be outraged that allowing a large generally hostile Muslim population in my country is something that is done as a matter of course, as if it's the most harmless and the most natural thing in the world.

I feel the same way you do. Even from the outside, I find these things disgraceful.

However. It is very important not to buy into absurd and inflated claims of "thousands" of "children" "raped" arrived at by criminally incompetent methodologies and spread by compliant media.

These are the kinds of claims that are used to justify evil misandrist laws all over the world -- very much including the UK. And as HCE noted, they are promulgated by the exact same people that wrote and implemented these irresponsible immigration policies, and that tied the hands of law enforcement because of "diversity".

Buying into such claims will not help any children, but is very likely to lead to more laws directed against men. And they will then not be used against these Pakistani thugs. They will be used to diminish and in some cases ruin the lives of innocent men like you, Teedub.

That is why there must be pushback against such hysterical claims, even if they appear to benefit your side in the short run. These lies feed on themselves and create an atmosphere that encourages ever more insane and draconian measures that affect men everywhere -- the UK very much included.

Post: #87

I second Lizard of Oz completely. I don't have anything else to add, both because everything that I could have said has been said already and because I don't want to offend our British colleagues. Again, while I sympathize with your plight I'm just urging caution.

Post: #88

(08-28-2014 04:52 AM)Crackshot Wrote:  There is also a huge disconnect between British and US posters on this thread

I think the Americans don't understand the UK or the northern mill towns at all and therefore have no idea what is going on

100%.

You have to live in these places, as I do, to really understand what's going on.

Post: #89

One thing to keep in mind is that the sexual grooming starts at a young age (11-13 years old). Then it continues for a few more years.

For some reason, it's very uncommon for the grooming to continue beyond the age of 15. So it'd actually be rare to a groomed 17 year old........ and even if you did a groomed 17 year old, she probably started getting abused at around 12/13.

I think most of us would agree that sexual abuse of a 13 year old that continues through age 17.......... is much different from having sex with a readily willing 17 year old who you never abused.

Draw a line between seduction of adult-age women and rape of prepubescent kids.

Post: #90

(08-28-2014 05:34 PM)Fighting888 Wrote:  One thing to keep in mind is that the sexual grooming starts at a young age (11-13 years old). Then it continues for a few more years.

For some reason, it's very uncommon for the grooming to continue beyond the age of 15. So it'd actually be rare to a groomed 17 year old........ and even if you did a groomed 17 year old, she probably started getting abused at around 12/13.

I think most of us would agree that sexual abuse of a 13 year old that continues through age 17.......... is much different from having sex with a readily willing 17 year old who you never abused.

Draw a line between seduction of adult-age women and rape of prepubescent kids.

Absolutely.

All the coverage is outrage journalism - people are being told to get angry about what's already happened, and not think about what needs to happen to prevent this happening again in the future.

Lock up the perpetrators/execute them/deport them to Antarctica, that stops this lot of abusers, but doesn't do anything to affect the situation that made the abuse so widespread.

A lot of the abuse victims were not from stable, functional households, from the report:

Quote:The majority of children whose files we read had multiple reported missing episodes. Addiction and mental health emerged as common themes in the files. Almost 50% of children who were sexually exploited or at risk had misused alcohol or other substances (this was typically part of the grooming process), a third had mental health problems (again, often as a result of abuse) and two thirds had emotional health difficulties. There were issues of parental addiction in 20% of cases and parental mental health issues in over a third of cases.

In just over a third of cases, children affected by sexual exploitation were previously known to services because of child protection and child neglect. There was a history of domestic violence in 46% of cases. Truancy and school refusal were recorded in 63% of cases and 63% of children had been reported missing more than once.

The failings were far earlier than the news coverage indicates, and going along with the paedo-hunters allows all those who made it possible to get off the hook.

"I'd hate myself if I had that kind of attitude, if I were that weak." - Arnold

Post: #91

(08-28-2014 05:05 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

(08-28-2014 04:51 AM)roman Kesarov Wrote:  if you have been to rotherham you will understand that its predominantly dominated by indian immigrants and small minority bangladeshis flocking around and opening their mini shops with some notice boards displayed in bengali

Yes , Lot of Rape and abuse is perpetrated by pakistani muslims, brits call them are Asians( Pakistanis and indians are not Asiatic people, they are mostly Australoid mixed with slight Caucasian gene,

Much of Southern UK, Especially Yorkshire is filled with Indian immigrants

I know I said I wouldn't comment again but haha, I can't let that slip. I understand English is your second language.

Indians tend to live in their own, affluent areas, or side by side with middle class white people. Pakistanis tend to live in segregated ghettos, with the odd affluent one living in middle class suburbs.

Indians, Pakistanis etc are caucasian in the scientific sense of the word....hence why they have the same features as Europeans (same as Middle Eastern people), just different skin colour.

Lastly, Yorkshire isn't Southern, it's...well, Yorkshire. Southern 'UK' (I think you meant England) is the 'posh' places like Hertforshire, Surrey and so on. Multiculturalism has only failed with Pakistani Muslims on the most part, don't equate them with Indians, or any other 'Asian' group for that matter.

Glad you got there before me, also this guy doesnt understand that the majority of the British Indian population is now 3rd generation in the UK and that they mostly arrived from East Africa (Gujaratis and Punjabis in the main) and not India. They won't be involved in VISA fraud as non of them hold Indian passports and never have. I have to go back 4 generations in my family to find someone who holds an Indian passport, all us fuckers have to pay to get into India, India does not recognise us as Indians though they are getting lax on NRI now.

Pakistanis are mostly 2nd generation now but still a lot of FOB's get in due to a high number of Pakistanis marrying back home constantly.

Northern England is where the Pakistanis are mostly based.

Indians are in small numbers in Northern towns and the midlands with the highest population levels in Leicester and Harrow(London) (constituting over 50% of population in both areas)

Bangladeshis are more prevalent in East London.

Sri Lankans normally live in Indian areas such as NW London

Post: #92

This is clearly not part of the rape hysteria that's been created by liberals and feminists recently. Whilst I'm sure that some feminists will use it to further their agenda now that the story's been broken, the truth is that they wanted nothing to do with this, mainly due to fear of being labelled as racist, but also because of classism, which is a very real issue here in the UK. Middle class liberals and feminists really don't give a shit about the white underclass, and view them as almost less than human (you see this in how little regard police and social services had for these victims, in the constant mocking of chavs in our media, and in how the government refuses to acknowledge that the white underclass are underachieving more than minorities in our schools, while they funnel all funding towards schools with greater numbers of minorities).

Post: #93

How does Jezebel respond to the most blatant example of rape culture ever?


   

Post: #94

(08-29-2014 11:18 AM)Kid Strangelove Wrote:  How does Jezebel respond to the most blatant example of rape culture ever?

Lack of response of Jezebel does not surprise me. Even if one of their authors wanted to write something about it, they might have been shot down by the editor or the owners. And they would have been in a conundrum there anyway, since the perps were not Upper Class White Men - their real arch-enemy.

I sincerely believe that feminism is a top-down plutocracy-created movement - they are given a free reign with minor topics, but when it matters they are strictly controlled.

It reminds me of the hipocrisy of the WWF which is another top-down organization. Recently their president resigned because they found out that his favorite pastime was elephant hunting.
http://www.dw.de/wwf-defends-elephant-hu...a-15891067 (Personally I am against sport-hunting. Hunting for food is fine.)

Also interesting is the lack of protests when it came out that Chinese businessmen (and many others) were hunting polar bears, while WWF was blowing into the Global Warming horn and screaming about the dying polar bear population.
http://www.treehugger.com/endangered-spe...anada.html

We have to realize that in our world you gotta check those big organizations and movements several times - most of the time they have a very different agenda than the one advertised. Feminism is just such a globally financed movement as well as the promotion of the gender and gay agenda.

Think of the Chinese matriarchal Mosou: The interesting thing is that the very top of their society is led by men and there the men are living in one household together with their women - they are absolute patriarchs there. The matriarchal aspects were forced upon the lower population. In a way it is actually quite smart, since the upper class simply will never fear a loss of their power, since the lower 99,5% are emasculated men who are not even allowed to stay at their homes and have not even parental certainty over "their" children. Feminism seems to me such a scam. Thus no peep from Jezebel, since someone shut them up or their PC-Newspeak did so by itself.

Post: #95

Let's see if Buzzfeed is any different

   

Nope

Post: #96

Apologies for the double post and the blog pimping, but I have compiled a list of the hard hitting "coverage" of this scandal on my blog - in pictures:

http://www.kidstrangelove.com/2014/08/29...-pictures/

Short version - Jezebel, Gawker, Slate, Vice, feministing, upworthy and buzzfeed refuse to cover this story.

Post: #97

Jezebel has written about it:

http://groupthink.jezebel.com/at-least-1...1626884579

Pretty sparse article, just outlines what has happened basically.

Post: #98

Not surprised Kid Strangelove, it does not make them any money nor promote any outrage towards white men

Post: #99

I'm proud to announce I've done a guest post for the 3 Bromigos (bojangles & MattC blog) discussing this issue.

Quote:Beheadings, ‘Muslim patrols‘, anti-gay attacks, anti-Jew attacks, voting corruption, banning of music, Shariah control zones, Muslim grooming gangs … “man, those Muslim countries are crazy”…nope, all the aforementioned happened in London in the past 12 months. Well, apart from the music one and the grooming, which took place in Leicester and various English towns, respectively.

(08-29-2014 02:13 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  Jezebel has written about it:

http://groupthink.jezebel.com/at-least-1...1626884579

Pretty sparse article, just outlines what has happened basically.

This is one high rated comment:

Quote:I can hardly believe that it took so long for an analysis of this disaster to hit the mainpage. This is such a clusterfuck. For me, the point that is most fascino-appaling is the intersection between misogyny and race. I want to know how many Pakistani-origin Brits were in the police department, because the interpretation changes. Was it the white Brits who protected the abusers? if so, it was a kind of appalling institutional bros-before-(female)kids despite the racial angle. Is the police department substantially staffed with Pakistani orgin Brits? Then they sided with their community over protecting children and women. Were the victims both white and brown? In any case, female children fucking lose every time before the male fraternity. I am giving myself a rage stroke typing. This is so outrageous.

Insane ramblings. Everything, and I mean everything, is the fault of all men to these nutters. Laughably bizarre.

Post: #100

(08-29-2014 12:22 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Think of the Chinese matriarchal Mosou: The interesting thing is that the very top of their society is led by men and there the men are living in one household together with their women - they are absolute patriarchs there. The matriarchal aspects were forced upon the lower population. In a way it is actually quite smart, since the upper class simply will never fear a loss of their power, since the lower 99,5% are emasculated men who are not even allowed to stay at their homes and have not even parental certainty over "their" children. Feminism seems to me such a scam. Thus no peep from Jezebel, since someone shut them up or their PC-Newspeak did so by itself.

Off topic but I find this very interesting. I've seen the Mosou being used as an example of an Utopian matriarchal society by progressives in the same way they always hold the Nordic countries up as a shining example of where they would like the US to go. Is there any sources I can take a look at to further study this?