Post: #1

I know there has been plenty of debates on here about quantity vs quality and the pros and cons of seeking one over the other.

However, as of recently, I have noticed that lower quality women are beginning to auto-filter themselves out of my life. I have been working extremely hard on myself in the past year, and have taken a step back from gaming in order to focus efforts on the gym, on business, on school, and recovery from an injury.

Upon returning to the game though, I have truly noticed that girls of lower quality have began to filter themselves out. What I mean by this is that before, on internet dating sites, at the bar, and sometimes even in the street I would get approached by these girls; no longer. I would get eyed by girls that are of lesser quality; I don't even get IOIs from them really at all besides a passing glance. If I get the number of a girl that I deem to be a 5 or less, and essentially a lay-up in times past, she will go cold. It is almost as if these girls are intimidated by me now, and it has began to become a pattern, so something must be going on.

Now, any girl that is above a 7 will be extremely warm to my advances, I will have IOIs before approach, she will be eager to go on a date, and I usually can get the bang on the second date (I've always been one to go out and feel out the girl before having sex with her). These girls are more likely to stick around now too.

I would not say my game has improved drastically, I would say I'm at the same level as before, but working on myself has had this ridiculous impact that cannot be ignored. I'm not sure if it's my mentality that I just don't want to waste my time with lower quality, or literally I am becoming a filtered out commodity to the lesser female (which I cannot complain about I suppose, however my notch count has suffered due to this transition to quality over quantity.)

I saw a post in the thread about diminishing returns on weightlifting about as an individual increased from 155lbs to 205lbs, women began to filter themselves out and he was left with the cream of the crop at his physical peak.

Has anyone else experienced this "auto-filter" of lower quality as they have improved themselves in the multiple facets of their life? It's been an interesting ride to say the least, I would have never expected to be "too good" for anyone when I first started this journey, but it seems as if it's happened almost by accident.

Post: #2

I had never thought about this before, but it could very well be the case.

I get more IOIs from the upper tier than the lower, I see ugly girls often look right past me, while the top talent rarely fails to at least glance. It doesn't make much sense, you would think a high-value man would get IOIs all across the board, including the low talent.

A more attractive girl is far more likely to be warm to my advances, most of the flaking and attitude often comes from the bottom.

I would like to go an ego-trip and think that I am intimidating the girls, but I don't think that is it. Uglier girls, and even average girls, have a far larger pool of sexual options as most men are intimidated by the true top tier. A 7 will get approached more than a 9 and that is reflected in her attitude, a 9 may get many looks and compliments, but nothing inflates a girl's ego more than a man making a serious sexual attempt. Uglier girls are also far more likely to get used. Men want them just for sex and, after a run of pump and dumps they become bitter and wary of all future interactions. A prettier girl will have been in far less unpleasant situations with men, as the few men who do approach her probably want to keep her if just for a little while. She sees the brighter side of men and doesn't hold the same contempt as her uglier counterparts.
If you fit the profile of a high-value man, the ugly girl may group you in with all the other "bad men" who used her, therefore becoming cold and difficult.

Post: #3

(08-28-2014 10:14 AM)TheFinalEpic Wrote:  If I get the number of a girl that I deem to be a 5 or less, and essentially a lay-up in times past, she will go cold. It is almost as if these girls are intimidated by me now, and it has began to become a pattern, so something must be going on.

It seems like what's happening is that the worse-looking girls, who know they are worse looking and probably have lower self-esteem, are wary because they see you as so far out of their league. They are afraid that you're trolling them or are going to pump and dump them.

(08-28-2014 10:14 AM)TheFinalEpic Wrote:  my notch count has suffered due to this transition to quality over quantity

If you want to fuck one of these lower quality girls, I think you need to adjust your game to qualify her more (i.e., drop lines about why you like her), in order reassure her that you are actually interested in her (rather than going full aloof or full asshole game as you might for hotter girls).

Post: #4

This definitely happens as your immediate noticeable value rises.

Women you would expect to check you out or smile simply stop. It can be disconcerting if you don't understand why.

It's no different to average guys not making eye contact with hot girls…or fatties etc. We all operate roughly within our personal ranges.

Post: #5

Yes, I have also experienced this effect. When you raise your style and fitness, and your game gets tighter, more and more girls will begin to perceive you as being out of their league. It becomes harder to bang many average looking girls. I'm convinced that girls can detect that you've banged many girls and if they are looking for a boyfriend they will reject you because they don't want to get pump and dumped.

There is an exception though- average girls who are just looking for a ONS or some occasional sport fucking will still be interested. They are happy to get banged by a guy who outranks them. The way to handle them is to eliminate asshole game, dial back on the cocky/funny a bit, and give them more comfort game.

Post: #6

(08-28-2014 11:13 AM)MrXY Wrote:  Yes, I have also experienced this effect. When you raise your style and fitness, and your game gets tighter, more and more girls will begin to perceive you as being out of their league. It becomes harder to bang many average looking girls. I'm convinced that girls can detect that you've banged many girls and if they are looking for a boyfriend they will reject you because they don't want to get pump and dumped.

There is an exception though- average girls who are just looking for a ONS or some occasional sport fucking will still be interested. They are happy to get banged by a guy who outranks them. The way to handle them is to eliminate asshole game, dial back on the cocky/funny a bit, and give them more comfort game.

I get called out as a player within 5 minutes of making contact with a new girl, and its not because I am upfront about sex or anything along those lines. The most common line being "you're a man who gets what he wants", I'm hearing it more and more, which is a compliment, but also an obvious shit test.

Do you think there is a point in which you reach a value that asshole game truly doesn't even work anymore?

Post: #7

Def happened to me too. I think its micro-gesturing or something body language.

For me, its 7.5+ girls that give positive signs to me. A 6 or lower basically filters herself out. She will make all sorts of excuses.

Post: #8

Some of what you are feeling IMO is the ease that comes from experience and self improvement

At that point, you feel more comfortable around higher quality women and vice versa

In turn, those higher quality women notice your ease and charm and think to themselves "He doesn't fawn over me/overcompensate, so he MUST be used to dealing with girls like myself on a regular basis"(8+) From there, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Girls now can CLEARLY sense this is not your 1st rodeo...

Post: #9

Think about this. Physical game is key to this. Adding muscles does turn women on. Those women are are average will eye fuck you, pinch your ass and rub your arms on nights out when you least expect it.

Those are the things you notice, women are incredibly sly at this. That girl who took one fleeting glance every 2 minutes? She wants to fuck you but you need to go over within her vicinity and strike up a conversation.

The difference between a large majority of gym bros who get big and those with game who get big is like a chasm. I have lost count on the number of guys I saw out wearing clothes to show off their muscles but had poor game.

Or better yet, they stood in a chode cicle of their friends and just looked around like dorks/pretty boys.

For average girls, they're intimidated by big, ripped guys who are attractive. if he is a dork she will know it. If you're abrasive and "laddish" she will eject most likely unless you have fame game going on.

Don't bring asshole tricks to the table, they just want to know if you're looks match your personality.

Post: #10

There is definitely a level of comfort around the upper class of woman now, partially because of the red pill and realizing that all women are the same, and partially because of experience.

I almost feel its in the way I walk that girls seem to filter. Much more confident then before, and the confidence is real instead of the "fake it til you make it" type.

Interesting insights boys, I'm glad I'm not alone in the feeling of auto-filterization.

Post: #11

What happens in the sexual marketplace is the same economics as the actual marketplace.

When a buyer approach a seller for a transaction of a product, both parties have a pre-determined value of what their product is going to be worth(seller)/cost(buyer). The transaction happens when both pre-determined values can converge into an agreement point. This process is also called negotiation. During negotiation, the offer is either reinforced with positive, or negative reinforcement until the negotiation process is over.

For example. Buyer approach seller for a piece of jewelry. Seller believes it's worth $1000, buyer believes it's worth $500. They negotiate.
Buyer: I offer you $500
Seller: I believe it's worth $1000 (what the semantic here is a subtle "no" to buyer's $500 offer, thus creating a negative reinforcement to buyer's proposition)
Buyer: How about $600 (Same thing buyer is doing, a subtle "no" to seller's counteroffer, giving the negative reinforcement back to the seller)
Seller: I think if you can just raise a little bit more then we can have a deal, how about $750 (Seller this time gives positive reinforcement to the buyers willingness to increase his price)
Buyer: we have a deal at $750 (positive reinforcement in agreeing with the pricing.)

Similarly, applying the above principles to the sexual marketplace
The man and the woman both have a predetermined self-worth in the "sexual" market, If I believe I am a 10, I may or may not be a 10, the only possible way for me to find out is that if I approach a woman, and the outcome of this approach either ends in she is attracted to me, or that she rejects me.
If I approach a woman that is 10 in looks, get rejected, it lowers my self assessment with doubts such as "maybe she is out of my league, or maybe I am just not ripped/rich/famous/experienced enough etc..". This negative reinforcement lowers my self-worth, or my pre-determined value in the sexual marketplace.
Inversely if I approach a woman that is 10 in looks, and she feels the attraction and we both get along well and end up in good romantic evening. I am positively reinforced that this is the level of woman that I am capable of attracting. "I am a 10, and I just proved it".

This is also what seeking validation is, because everyone base their self worth and self assessment through the reactions and reinforcements of others. But this is another topic for another day.

So what happens in the end is that the arbitrage in your self value fluctuates and eventually flatlines at a level that you feel comfortable with, and that maybe a 7 or a 8, and this value is what you'll approach from now on because you won't be bombarded with the ill feelings of rejection, and you are comfortable (people like to stay in comfort zone) and will be confident.

How this apply to the OP's post is that, ALL these low value women deep down inside wish that they could sleep with you tonight, but due to their subconscious past experience in reaching out to men similar to your current SMV, they have been rejected and/or negatively reinforced. So they understand their place in the sexual, and they know that they will most likely get rejected by you.

Of course none of these principles act as the de facto rule that overrule the men of RVF, because we break down these dynamics, and utilize them to our benefit. Key take away is by acting "alpha" and possess a IDGAF attitude, approach 10s and behave like you're 11, by being aware of these dynamics, and laugh in the face of rejection because you aren't a coward that fears discomfort. This is what we all agreed to be Men Going Their Own Way, and it is the only way in the game of game.

Post: #12

We all operate within comfort ranges and this applies to everything in life including the people we have sex or a relationship with. Our comfort range is usually +/- 2 stops of whatever internal value we have of ourselves. So if a girl thinks she's a 5 and you are an 8. You will be outside of her comfort range of 3 - 7. She may actually feel uncomfortable around you. It took me a long time to understand and accept this. And if you think tight Game can overcome this good luck - I've tried. Where this becomes blurred is if the girl gets drunk or gets high on coke because then she will feel more bold and won't be as intimidated by you.

Post: #13

(08-29-2014 01:06 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  if the girl gets drunk or gets high on coke

Damn sir, you are 1000% Miamian.

For those of you who aren't from here, Miami chicks are doing coke like people on paleo use stevia.

It's getting to the point where an 8-ball is a better closer than Mariano Rivera.

Post: #14

(08-28-2014 02:50 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  Girls now can CLEARLY sense this is not your 1st rodeo...

I love the quote:

"this is not your first rodeo"

I often say this to myself when going on a date or in the middle of night game approach that may lead to a bang with an attractive chick.

It helps calm me and relinquish my fears of failure or doubt.

Post: #15

Agreed with previous posters.

My experience: Confidence increase from getting your shit together creates an auto-filter. You become more intimidating thus you will attract more confident girls. These are usually ones who are hotter and have been externally validated to believe in their confidence or are 'top of the food chain' in their respected arenas/environments.

Post: #16

Yes. Been through this. Questioned my reality. Then I started to notice patterns. The types of girls that are into me. Age ranges, background, tells, "yes" girls essentially.

Before I used to spam cold approach. Now that girls filter themselves out and I have a good idea of what kind of girls are DTF. I get better results with less approaches. Not sure if game is better, looks are better, or I'm just getting more experience.

Post: #17

Interesting post.
It also ties in with the phenomenon of approaching the hottest girl of the group for yourself vs. approaching a lesser-quality girl of the group in order to wingman your buddy.
When I approach the hot girl, I find she will be much more receptive as opposed to the "uglies" that will reject me when I am simply there to wing a friend and keep her occupied.

Post: #18

This is a good thing, sometimes I wish I could go back in time and reject some of the fuglies I desperately banged in my early to mid 20's now that I have had some cream of the crop twat. Another example of this is a few months ago I was dating a solid 8 who had a morbidly obese (1) best friend. When she would invite her out with us I would become very embarrassed in the club or out for lunch or whatever. It got to the point I'd avoid going out with them or only hang out with them together if it was at her house or something. I was never a dick to her and always was very nice but call me shallow I could not handle it. This type of thing would have never bothered me in the past but not only with girls I now have a standard for all the people I associate with and I personally auto-filter out unhealthy people in general. I think people that are able to improve themselves but choose not to out of laziness don't deserve my time or friendship. Now if the girl was actively looking to straighten herself out I would be the first guy to jump in there and help her anyway I could.

Post: #19

Glad that this thread has been bumped, there's a lot of goodness in it. Since I took down all of my online dating profiles a couple of weeks ago I've been forcing myself to go out and about more and really pay attention to the women around me. I'm noticing more glances and occasional smiles from women who I personally perceive as 7's and up. I've been working on my situational comments and ramble and it's creating a positive feedback loop for me:

I notice more women noticing me --> I'm overcoming my fear of at least saying something to them --> I feel more confident about myself every time I do this --> My body language reflects this confidence --> Even more women seem to notice me....

Post: #20

Once your standards go up, it becomes harder and harder to fake interest with mediocre girls. They pick up on this lack of genuine interest and know that all they'll ever be to you is a slump buster.

Post: #21

(07-07-2015 01:28 PM)tallandblonde Wrote:  Once your standards go up, it becomes harder and harder to fake interest with mediocre girls. They pick up on this lack of genuine interest and know that all they'll ever be to you is a slump buster.

This is true, I wonder if there is some kinda science behind this. Some less desirable exes that I had friend zoned and hit me up every few months just to talk about their shitty lives have been becoming increasingly angry and aloof towards me especially in the past year.

Post: #22

(08-28-2014 10:14 AM)TheFinalEpic Wrote:  I know there has been plenty of debates on here about quantity vs quality and the pros and cons of seeking one over the other.

However, as of recently, I have noticed that lower quality women are beginning to auto-filter themselves out of my life. I have been working extremely hard on myself in the past year, and have taken a step back from gaming in order to focus efforts on the gym, on business, on school, and recovery from an injury.

Upon returning to the game though, I have truly noticed that girls of lower quality have began to filter themselves out. What I mean by this is that before, on internet dating sites, at the bar, and sometimes even in the street I would get approached by these girls; no longer. I would get eyed by girls that are of lesser quality; I don't even get IOIs from them really at all besides a passing glance. If I get the number of a girl that I deem to be a 5 or less, and essentially a lay-up in times past, she will go cold. It is almost as if these girls are intimidated by me now, and it has began to become a pattern, so something must be going on.

Now, any girl that is above a 7 will be extremely warm to my advances, I will have IOIs before approach, she will be eager to go on a date, and I usually can get the bang on the second date (I've always been one to go out and feel out the girl before having sex with her). These girls are more likely to stick around now too.

I would not say my game has improved drastically, I would say I'm at the same level as before, but working on myself has had this ridiculous impact that cannot be ignored. I'm not sure if it's my mentality that I just don't want to waste my time with lower quality, or literally I am becoming a filtered out commodity to the lesser female (which I cannot complain about I suppose, however my notch count has suffered due to this transition to quality over quantity.)

I saw a post in the thread about diminishing returns on weightlifting about as an individual increased from 155lbs to 205lbs, women began to filter themselves out and he was left with the cream of the crop at his physical peak.

Has anyone else experienced this "auto-filter" of lower quality as they have improved themselves in the multiple facets of their life? It's been an interesting ride to say the least, I would have never expected to be "too good" for anyone when I first started this journey, but it seems as if it's happened almost by accident.

I think [At least from personal experience] it is location specific. In Sydney for instance - A girl who would be average to below average at best typically seeks out the highest level of guys [Deeming them to be of her level]. This can be guys up to 5 points above what they are.

Alternatively in some places the lower quality of girl will naturally filter themselves out of the equation. I noticed this when I was recently in Sanok, a smaller place in Poland. It is much much easier to have a good interaction with the hotter girls. Purely theory but the notion that they don't want to waste their time with someone who won't stick around is a good one.

Post: #23

(07-07-2015 01:28 PM)tallandblonde Wrote:  Once your standards go up, it becomes harder and harder to fake interest with mediocre girls. They pick up on this lack of genuine interest and know that all they'll ever be to you is a slump buster.

This is also true. Because you interact with yourself and your thoughts on a daily basis the transition is unnoticeable. You'll feel like your acting the same, but in reality those little signals that indicate interest aren't as strong.