Post: #1

This shit's happened to me with 2 different girls this week.

You meet up with a girl and she's attracted. You make out with her and all seems to be going well.

You meet up with her another time a few days later and something doesn't feel right. You go for the makeout and she refuses. One girl told me to kiss her cheek instead so I kicked her out of the car, the other said no and pulled away so I still dropped her off but didn't talk to her for the rest of the trip. When I dropped her off she touched me hand and seemed to want to talk to me but I wasn't able to say anything so she left the car.

The second case happened just yesterday and I must admit it left me stunned and completely unsure of how to react. I considered asking her why she pulled away but it sounded beta and I would probably lose the chick for sure. I really wanted to learn the reason why because I'd like to improve. I think I'll ask this chick the next time I see her. I don't mind losing the chick as long as I learn something.

It's frustrating not knowing the cause of something like this and how to improve the next time around. I never have problems approaching but I do have problems with what I'm considering to be a shit test. I probably should have shown indifference but was unable to fake anything.

This girl has been giving me so many IOIs. Maybe I went to fast, or maybe tried to kiss too often. Maybe I wasn't enough of a dick. I'm sure some of you will be able to give me some much appreciated advice. Thanks in advance. I really wanna sort out this minor hurdle!

Post: #2

when she refuse to kiss...lean back and then try again after some time....do this three times....if third times she refuses....then kick her out of your car and delete her number and move on. !!

Post: #3

(06-05-2011 09:22 AM)sir_seducer Wrote:  when she refuse to kiss...lean back and then try again after some time....do this three times....if third times she refuses....then kick her out of your car and delete her number and move on. !!

Thanks Sir Seducer it sounds like solid advice but I'm concerned that going for the kiss again may show weakness and betaishness. Also do you think 5-10 minutes is a good timeframe for trying the kiss again or is more time needed to make it work?

Post: #4

when a girl does not want to kiss you...its mean she is simply not attracted to you...however,some girls are attracted but still hesitate to kiss OR shit test you...so in order to check weather shes really interested or just want to waste your time...you need to try couple of times before you Quit.

when i want to kiss a girl on first date...i always hold her hand first...to judge how much resistance i would be getting if i go to lips.

ND don't kiss on chick....that is real weakness.

Post: #5

I feel like a ghost hanging around who keeps scaring people saying the same thing, scaring them and saying what they don't want to hear:

Difficult women remain difficult, who cares why?

Although no woman-- those who like you and those who don't-- is logical, these who reject you provide an valuable piece of information: Find Someone Else.

---Long Version-------------

SHE can't even figure out why so how the hell will WE do it, not being her?
Ultimately, who cares why?

Technically, the nerve connection between the emotional and logical parts of their brains ( The Corpus Callosum) is thicker-- conducts more information, that may be why women decide things based on "feelings" they can't defend or articulate. IN their defense it should be said that this also results in sort of emotional brake resulting in less murder by women. And accounts for their illogical, childlike charm. Ones that like you are MORE nice than logic would dictate.

The trick, and I admit it's hard, is to approach so many you learn to recognize the ones who are ready to go due to whatever combination of factors exist at the time, and you end up too busy succeeding to waste time thinking about the girls you are never going to get.

A stunning 10 may plead for anal sex while a dull, rough-skinned 5 may be apparently eager and friendly but acts insulted you want her.

"Why" doesn't matter, only "If".


-------Followup Story-------

I was in the USA(Northern California) shopping in a fancy sporting goods store, and was checking out. I started a conversation with the cashier a 6 or so, who was very eager to talk to me and was going on and on while other people were on line behind me. I noticed that I was holding up the line and asked for her number. She acting genuinely surprised and sort of insulted and literally said " Why do you want my number?"
I forget what I said, something like "To have a conversation," but I at least kept the presence of mind to immediately move away towards the door when I saw it was going nowhere.

As I did ( I was kind of walking backwards away from her.) She KEPT TALKING a mile a minute, ignoring the increasingly irritable people on line waiting. I was looking at them and looking at her thinking to myself "What the fuck is her story?"

I ended up actually walking out the door while she was STILL TALKING TO ME, immediately after refusing to give me her phone number!!

Why try to figure out why she was nuts?

Post: #6

I remember Roosh talking about this and basically saying kissing on the first date doesn't give you automatic access to just go back into making out on the second. You have to work her back up, flirt, touch, play, and then go in for the kill.

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Post: #7

(06-05-2011 09:54 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  Difficult women remain difficult, who cares why?

Although no woman-- those who like you and those who don't-- is logical, these who reject you provide an valuable piece of information: Find Someone Else.


The trick, and I admit it's hard, is to approach so many you learn to recognize the ones who are ready to go due to whatever combination of factors exist at the time, and you end up too busy succeeding to waste time thinking about the girls you are never going to get.

...

I ended up actually walking out the door while she was STILL TALKING TO ME, immediately after refusing to give me her phone number!!

Why try to figure out why she was nuts?

Epic.

And what flashbang tells is something that's been happening to me as well.

I went on a date -a decent one, wine and all- with a damn cute 19 year old which I had already hooked up and made out with. She was literally telling me how "dangerous" I was and how she was "falling for me" etc. when we first hooked up, at a party. It took a while for her to go out on a date with me, but she kept giving me increasing IOIs, in spite of being flaky, so I went for it. So we go out to a nice spot for some wine. I take my time, keep escalating and try kissing her; she turns her head. I keep my cool, don't ask anything about it, and we bounce to another place. We go to a bar, where I go for it again, emphatically so, and still no kiss. Then I ask her why she's refusing being kissed, and she answers: "I just want to know you better". Fine, I drop her home, knowing we'll probably meet at a party the following week.

We meet again, at this party and I keep my distance. She is friendly and all, but she stays mainly on the dancefloor while I hang with my friends. One of them points out to me: "I've seen your girl hooking up with another girl..." and I go check it out to find she's practically gangbanging 4 other girls on the dancefloor.... WTF???

And 2 days later SHE CALLS ME and asks me on a date... AND STILL NO KISS! ---> Solution: Dump, and go approach like crazy.

I honestly think that is the BEST advice. (What made me reasonably "ok" with this girl's treatment was that I was already going out with 2 other girls... but all of them crazy as hell)

It is sad but there will be girls who will be impossible - and completely futile and infuriating - to understand or keep up with. Being always busy and knowing how to drop the crazy ones off without hesitation is solid advice.

Post: #8

flashbang -

What nationalities were these girls?

Post: #9

You never acknowledge the "rejection".

Getting mad just because the girl wouldn't give you a kiss lowers your value significantly relative to hers because you give her power when you show that she can upset you, especially over some shit like a kiss.

OP, I'd re-assess your reaction, it's best to play it cool, almost like well if I'm not kissing you now, I'll be kissing someone else later, no big.

Post: #10

"Getting mad just because the girl wouldn't give you a kiss lowers your value significantly relative to hers because you give her power when you show that she can upset you, especially over some shit like a kiss."

+1 never show them they got under your skin... I know it's hard, ignoring them and depriving them of your attention is best

Post: #11

Bumping this three year old thread, hope that's alright.

I just had a girl come over here, I cooked her dinner, then she cleaned the dishes and I pulled her into the bed and put on a movie. A while in I started to kiss her, got rejected, though she didn't mind holding my hand. Keep trying to kiss her, backed up a bit, tried again. Nothing. But she was smiling and laughing. Kept trying but got rejected again. After a while she went to the bathroom, I went for a smoke and when she came back she took her bag and said she was leaving, and she did.

Usually I wouldn't bother but this is seriously hot girl. I texted when she left.
Me: "take care"
Me. "and I'm sorry "
She: "don't be sorry"
Me: "now I feel bad"
Her: "No need to feel that"
Me: "Sleep well"
Me: "Speak to you later"
Her: "You too"

How to get a new date? Is it any chance or did I blow this one by trying to much? Obviously I'll wait a few days before I text her again. I've meet her once before this and we went for dinner and had a good time.

Advice appreciated cheers guys,

Post: #12

Im sorry? Wtf r u sorry about. You blew it. Never apologize for anything. U shouldve just left the room at that point and done a freeze out until she followed u then reengage as normal. Id say dont text for a week then reengage.

Post: #13

Don't apologize. Ever.

Post: #14

(08-25-2014 10:44 AM)Satoshi Wrote:  Bumping this three year old thread, hope that's alright.

I just had a girl come over here, I cooked her dinner, then she cleaned the dishes and I pulled her into the bed and put on a movie. A while in I started to kiss her, got rejected, though she didn't mind holding my hand. Keep trying to kiss her, backed up a bit, tried again. Nothing. But she was smiling and laughing. Kept trying but got rejected again. After a while she went to the bathroom, I went for a smoke and when she came back she took her bag and said she was leaving, and she did.

Usually I wouldn't bother but this is seriously hot girl. I texted when she left.
Me: "take care"
Me. "and I'm sorry "
She: "don't be sorry"
Me: "now I feel bad"
Her: "No need to feel that"
Me: "Sleep well"
Me: "Speak to you later"
Her: "You too"

How to get a new date? Is it any chance or did I blow this one by trying to much? Obviously I'll wait a few days before I text her again. I've meet her once before this and we went for dinner and had a good time.

Advice appreciated cheers guys,

Woah slow down guys.

She showed IOI's at first, then was leaving.

Go radio silent on her (your problem is you did apologize).

If she doesn't respond you could always throw a restart text out, just minimize the investment in her.

Post: #15

I always feel if she will kiss me or no... that being said it always happened so naturally... look for signals how she look at you, smile at you how she talk with you etc. Maybe I'm too conservative even sometimes it's never is my goal, my goal is to spend good time with girl and eventually everything happen naturally...

Post: #16

It's all about the second (sometimes third) time you try to kiss her. Expect the first try to kiss not to work out.

Many girls refuse the first kiss to see how you react to it. It's a test. Don't get frustrated, remain cool, just continue your conversation as if nothing happened. Then try again a bit later.

Also don't forget to escalate step by step. Prior to kissing there is holding hands. Don't kiss her out of nowhere. Think about this experiment:

Post: #17

(08-25-2014 10:44 AM)Satoshi Wrote:  Bumping this three year old thread, hope that's alright.

I just had a girl come over here, I cooked her dinner, then she cleaned the dishes and I pulled her into the bed and put on a movie. A while in I started to kiss her, got rejected, though she didn't mind holding my hand. Keep trying to kiss her, backed up a bit, tried again. Nothing. But she was smiling and laughing. Kept trying but got rejected again. After a while she went to the bathroom, I went for a smoke and when she came back she took her bag and said she was leaving, and she did.

Usually I wouldn't bother but this is seriously hot girl. I texted when she left.
Me: "take care"
Me. "and I'm sorry "
She: "don't be sorry"
Me: "now I feel bad"
Her: "No need to feel that"
Me: "Sleep well"
Me: "Speak to you later"
Her: "You too"

How to get a new date? Is it any chance or did I blow this one by trying to much? Obviously I'll wait a few days before I text her again. I've meet her once before this and we went for dinner and had a good time.

Advice appreciated cheers guys,

You shouldn't have apologized because you didn't do anything wrong in trying to kiss her. Always remember the poon commandments: don't say you're sorry (VIII), and err on the side of too much boldness rather than too little (XIII).

That said, it seems like your escalation was rather ham-fisted. Why would you pull her into bed to kiss her? That makes it seem like you're trying to fuck her right off the bat, and she'll be more likely to resist the kiss because the situation (being in bed with you) implies that kissing you commits her to having sex.

It would have been better to make out with her in the kitchen or living room and escalate to fingering her and fucking her there. Ideally she should be naked and already committed to fucking you when you take her to your bed.

If she rejects your kiss attempt(s), you should keep trying, but you should also back off for a bit and build more rapport/comfort before trying again in 10-15 minutes or so. How long did you wait between attempts?

Also, you should not have texted her right away after she left. You should have waited at least a few days (keep her guessing) and then texted her again to hang out at your place. In situations like this, you have to accept that you can't control the outcome. You've shown your intentions, so she will expect that you will make moves on her if she agrees to see you again. The question is whether she is buying what you're selling. You can't make her want to fuck you.

Also, seems like it was a bad idea to do dinner out for the first date. It's too formal and doesn't provide much of an opportunity for you to escalate, and thus increases the chance of you getting friendzoned or slotted as a boyfriend provider who wines and dines her while waiting 3+ dates for sex.

(08-25-2014 10:44 AM)Satoshi Wrote:  Usually I wouldn't bother but this is seriously hot girl.

You're putting her on a pedestal. Remember poon commandment X: Ignore her beauty.

Overall it seems to me like your inner game needs work. Focus on developing an abundance mentality and outcome independence. Nothing kills tingles like neediness.

Post: #18

(08-25-2014 02:23 PM)Donkey_Riding Wrote:  You shouldn't have apologized because you didn't do anything wrong in trying to kiss her. Always remember the poon commandments: don't say you're sorry (VIII), and err on the side of too much boldness rather than too little (XIII).

Well in this situation I actually did something wrong as I continued to push for the kiss even though she kept rejecting me. Never apologize is a good rule, however when I actually do something wrong I'm man enough to accept and admit it. If that makes any sens.

(08-25-2014 02:23 PM)Donkey_Riding Wrote:  That said, it seems like your escalation was rather ham-fisted. Why would you pull her into bed to kiss her? That makes it seem like you're trying to fuck her right off the bat, and she'll be more likely to resist the kiss because the situation (being in bed with you) implies that kissing you commits her to having sex.

It would have been better to make out with her in the kitchen or living room and escalate to fingering her and fucking her there. Ideally she should be naked and already committed to fucking you when you take her to your bed.

This is true... I've been doing this move a few times, cook the girl dinner, when we finished eating I tell her to do the dishes while I go for a smoke and put a movie on. There was some tension when I was walking through the kitchen and into the bedroom, I should have kissed her then, you're damn right.

(08-25-2014 02:23 PM)Donkey_Riding Wrote:  If she rejects your kiss attempt(s), you should keep trying, but you should also back off for a bit and build more rapport/comfort before trying again in 10-15 minutes or so. How long did you wait between attempts?

Hmm not more than a few minutes or maybe only a few seconds.... At one point I completely pulled away from her for a while to later try to advance again. But of course I get horny and wants to bang when I'm in bed with a pretty girl...

(08-25-2014 02:23 PM)Donkey_Riding Wrote:  Also, you should not have texted her right away after she left. You should have waited at least a few days (keep her guessing) and then texted her again to hang out at your place. In situations like this, you have to accept that you can't control the outcome. You've shown your intentions, so she will expect that you will make moves on her if she agrees to see you again. The question is whether she is buying what you're selling. You can't make her want to fuck you.

Not sure here..... I feel like I had to text her something at this point. To make her want to fuck me, isn't that the point of game?

(08-25-2014 02:23 PM)Donkey_Riding Wrote:  Also, seems like it was a bad idea to do dinner out for the first date. It's too formal and doesn't provide much of an opportunity for you to escalate, and thus increases the chance of you getting friendzoned or slotted as a boyfriend provider who wines and dines her while waiting 3+ dates for sex.

I disagree, the dinner was good, we had fun, not to much commitment, I got a second date as which was my objective and she even paid for herself. In Thailand it's not okay to kiss in public so escalate more than some light kino is not possible outside the room.

(08-25-2014 02:23 PM)Donkey_Riding Wrote:  You're putting her on a pedestal. Remember poon commandment X: Ignore her beauty.

Well she is hotter than the other girls I'm gaming at the moment, that's pretty hard to ignore. She isn't getting any special treatment though, playing exactly the same game as with any other girl.

(08-25-2014 02:23 PM)Donkey_Riding Wrote:  Overall it seems to me like your inner game needs work. Focus on developing an abundance mentality and outcome independence. Nothing kills tingles like neediness.

Might me true. Actually I just realized this must have made me seem really desperate. However people always use to say that if one is pushing to hard she will always come back but if pushing to little she might get bored.



This is a internet chick. After the first date we decided to meet again last Wednesday, during the day I first sent her a text then called her two times without a response. Waited one hour then sent "you seem busy let's reschedule for another day" witch she responded imminently saying she was busy and yeah lets meet another day. Didn't text her until yesterday when I just sent a sticker, who she responded to, I called her up and we decided for today....... So it's been well played all the way until after dinner today when I maybe wasn't so smooth I should've been.

Anyway what went wrong is already clear to me, pushing to hard, not waiting in between the rejections, not starting of my holding her and etc etc.
This text I've sent tonight I'm actually pretty happy with.
"take care" "I'm sorry " <-- I'm sorry with a smiles takes the seriousness out and actually might make it looks like I'm being ironic/not really am sorry or something like that.
"now I feel bad" <-- I'm just being myself trying to bang her when she's next to me and I'm horny on her... and she punish me for it by running off.
"Sleep well" "Speak to you later" <-- end the conversation but leaves it open to restart whenever I want.

I'm thinking about waiting a few days and restart with something like "So next time it's your turn to cook for me "
"How is my scared little kitten doing?"
"So how is your broken heart doing?" (she said she was broken hearten when she rejected)
"Did you get a new fake eyelash yet?" (it was about to fall of today)

I think the first line is the best. Thought? Was a long time since I posted some situation for advice.

(08-25-2014 11:55 AM)Laidback Luke Wrote:  Im sorry? Wtf r u sorry about. You blew it. Never apologize for anything. U shouldve just left the room at that point and done a freeze out until she followed u then reengage as normal. Id say dont text for a week then reengage.

Good to see U R gone already. I'm not leaving my own fucking room.

Post: #19

If you kissed her on your first date, I would wait LONGER on the 2nd date to kiss her again.

I imagine in her mind, she's kissed you on the first date and now is seeing you again, realizing what's coming next, and trying to disqualify you.

So in reality the 2nd date may be tougher than the first date, so build a bunch of attraction, take your time, and do a cool activity or two, have a drink or two, before trying to kiss her again.

Don't just try for a kiss 20 minutes into a date. Hell, you could completely leave it until you get back to your place and are ready to get it on.

Post: #20

So you like to reject advice, Satoshi.

Post: #21

(08-25-2014 03:57 PM)Satoshi Wrote:  Well in this situation I actually did something wrong as I continued to push for the kiss even though she kept rejecting me. Never apologize is a good rule, however when I actually do something wrong I'm man enough to accept and admit it. If that makes any sens.

Trying to kiss a girl you're on a date with is never "wrong"; even if she rejects it, it's not something you ought to apologize for. You are a sexual man, you made a move, she wasn't up for it. No harm, no foul.

Even if you do do something wrong, you must remember that women are not like male friends. You can sincerely apologize to your male friends for your legitimate mistakes and they will move on and keep respecting you. If you make a habit of apologizing to a woman you adopt a supplicating frame and she will lose respect for you. This isn't logical--it's just the way women are.

(08-25-2014 03:57 PM)Satoshi Wrote:  Not sure here..... I feel like I had to text her something at this point.

You felt like you had to text her because there was unresolved tension, since you thought that you parted on awkward terms. You gave in to that tension by apologizing in order to eliminate it, and thus adopted a weaker position. The stronger position is for you to pull away (not contact her), creating more tension for her to come to you.

Also it's better to pretend that nothing out of the ordinary happened; if you act as if it's not awkward, she will likely fall into your frame. It wasn't a big deal anyway. Women are used to men trying to kiss them.

(08-25-2014 03:57 PM)Satoshi Wrote:  To make her want to fuck me, isn't that the point of game?

Game cannot make a woman want to fuck you. It's not mind control. You do your best to attract a woman by your attitude and your behaviour, but you can only control your actions, not her response or the outcome. Once a girl has been on a couple of dates with you, she has already seen what you have to offer. She is either attracted to you or she isn't; you can't really change it at this point (unless you were hiding something, like being a millionaire or a celebrity). All you can do is wait a while, and ask her to meet again, then if she agrees to meet, try to escalate.

(08-25-2014 03:57 PM)Satoshi Wrote:  I got a second date as which was my objective

Do you want to get dates, or do you you want to get bangs? If you want to fuck her, don't make the first date just about getting the second date--dates should just be the means to the end, to fuck her. If your frame is that you just want to see her again you're basically showing you want to be friends.

(08-25-2014 03:57 PM)Satoshi Wrote:  Well she is hotter than the other girls I'm gaming at the moment, that's pretty hard to ignore. She isn't getting any special treatment though, playing exactly the same game as with any other girl.

You said yourself that you wouldn't bother with a girl who wasn't as hot. This means you're giving her special treatment.

(08-25-2014 03:57 PM)Satoshi Wrote:  I'm thinking about waiting a few days and restart with something like "So next time it's your turn to cook for me "
"How is my scared little kitten doing?"
"So how is your broken heart doing?" (she said she was broken hearten when she rejected)
"Did you get a new fake eyelash yet?" (it was about to fall of today)

If you go with the first one lose the emoticon. Given the circumstances, I would send a feeler text first, then after she responds try to assume the sale by telling her to cook for you.

Post: #22

(08-25-2014 04:34 PM)Donkey_Riding Wrote:  Trying to kiss a girl you're on a date with is never "wrong"; even if she rejects it, it's not something you ought to apologize for. You are a sexual man, you made a move, she wasn't up for it. No harm, no foul.

Even if you do do something wrong, you must remember that women are not like male friends. You can sincerely apologize to your male friends for your legitimate mistakes and they will move on and keep respecting you. If you make a habit of apologizing to a woman you adopt a supplicating frame and she will lose respect for you. This isn't logical--it's just the way women are.

I get your point and what you are trying to say however in this situation I do NOT think my text will make her lose respect.
If my text looked like this it's a different story IMO;
"Oh I'm so sorry I don't know what got in me please forgive me :'(:'(:'("

(08-25-2014 04:34 PM)Donkey_Riding Wrote:  You felt like you had to text her because there was unresolved tension, since you thought that you parted on awkward terms. You gave in to that tension by apologizing in order to eliminate it, and thus adopted a weaker position. The stronger position is for you to pull away (not contact her), creating more tension for her to come to you.

Yep, this is spot on. She said "I think I'm going home" grabbed her purse, went out and left the door open. I'm like that wasn't supposed to happen. I doubt that she would ever send a first message to me, as she didn't initiate a single text conversation. She pressed the interest button on my online dating profile, that's it.

(08-25-2014 04:34 PM)Donkey_Riding Wrote:  Also it's better to pretend that nothing out of the ordinary happened; if you act as if it's not awkward, she will likely fall into your frame. It wasn't a big deal anyway. Women are used to men trying to kiss them.

Actually it's she who is acting awkward. I should or should have actually call her out on it, or what do you think?

(08-25-2014 04:34 PM)Donkey_Riding Wrote:  Game cannot make a woman want to fuck you. It's not mind control. You do your best to attract a woman by your attitude and your behaviour, but you can only control your actions, not her response or the outcome. Once a girl has been on a couple of dates with you, she has already seen what you have to offer. She is either attracted to you or she isn't; you can't really change it at this point (unless you were hiding something, like being a millionaire or a celebrity). All you can do is wait a while, and ask her to meet again, then if she agrees to meet, try to escalate.

By using an attractive attitude and behavior we can attract girls. If a girl is attracted to us then she will probably also want to bang us if we make the right moves and the logistic is in order. That's game isn't it? This girl is clearly attracted to me, however I didn't make the right move. Might still be space to save it though.

(08-25-2014 04:34 PM)Donkey_Riding Wrote:  Do you want to get dates, or do you you want to get bangs? If you want to fuck her, don't make the first date just about getting the second date--dates should just be the means to the end, to fuck her. If your frame is that you just want to see her again you're basically showing you want to be friends.

I meet up with her at nine o'clock and we stay at the restaurant until eleven when she let's me know that she needs to go home to her family as she got school in the morning. Don't think I had any chance to change her mind at that point, however if I there was a chance to bang her that night my condo was just a short walk home. Now and then I do get a first date bang.

(08-25-2014 04:34 PM)Donkey_Riding Wrote:  You said yourself that you wouldn't bother with a girl who wasn't as hot. This means you're giving her special treatment.

Well if you say so though if she wasn't hot I wouldn't even have sent her a message from the beginning. If she wasn't so hot maybe I never would have given her a second date when she didn't put out on the first. If she wasn't so hot maybe I would have kicked her out when she rejected the first kiss. Do you see what I'm trying to say? We need to invest at least something to get what we want, no?

(08-25-2014 04:34 PM)Donkey_Riding Wrote:  If you go with the first one lose the emoticon. Given the circumstances, I would send a feeler text first, then after she responds try to assume the sale by telling her to cook for you.

Yeah this is true. What I really would like to do is to call her out on her behavior. Something like;
"So do you always run away without saying good bye?"
"Just running off like that was pretty rude"
"You act like a scared kitten"

However this takes us back to the fact that I actually was to aggressive in my approach and maybe it's best to ignore the subject all together.

(08-25-2014 04:18 PM)sylo Wrote:  So you like to reject advice, Satoshi.

I like to open up for a dialog to see what I did right, what I did wrong and what I can do better. As you can see we're having a discussion here. If the discussion isn't in your taste and you got nothing to contribute with, please move on.

Post: #23

I can't think of many cases I'd waste my time with somebody who rejects a kiss.

OP, there's always the possibility that she's just not in a kissy mood, which can happen. In that case, maybe just skip kissing and escalate beyond.

Post: #24

I've banged many a girl who rejected a first kiss. Earlier this year, a Korean girl did it while we were in my bed watching a movie - I went cold on her and we were banging within the hour.

It's frustrating and can leave you feeling confused, wondering why she's wasting your time, but there are plenty of reasons it happens. Do you're best to not take it personally, move past the awkward moment, and try again later.

Chances are she's stewing on what she did as much as you are and trying to gauge what's going on in your head.

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To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #25

In the post before your last you were refuting advice like bullet points in a power point. It is obvious you are giving her special treatment. It happens. It was a mistake to text. A cringeworthy move. CRINGEWORTHY, bro. But again, most of us have been there a million times and will be again. Take off the blinders when criticism has been gifte to you constructively.