I've had that a couple of times. Girls were all into it mid-conversation and I get confirmation of a reply on my phone. Go to check it and...no conversation.

Tinder is incredibly buggy and I wouldn't be surprised the data gets lost from the bad service.

(08-10-2014 10:15 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

That whole "give me one reason why I should give you my number" thing would piss me off, even if it's meant to be flirty from her side. I'd be temped to instantly burn the convo to the ground and unmatch.

yea maybe in America..but I am in Hungary and knew she was trying to play some game she learned from tv.or something.
keep frame don't get mad and throw her some shit she can't resist like the line I gave.

I talked with the girl a little on what's app after this and we are meeting tomorrow.
her other attempt at w shit test was asking how tall I was..I'm 6'1 and she is 5'6.

dumbest shit test..if she was tall it would make sense.

I feel like, I'fi used that line on American girl, it still work

(08-10-2014 09:35 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  yea maybe in America..but I am in Hungary and knew she was trying to play some game she learned from tv.or something.
keep frame don't get mad and throw her some shit she can't resist like the line I gave.

I talked with the girl a little on what's app after this and we are meeting tomorrow.
her other attempt at w shit test was asking how tall I was..I'm 6'1 and she is 5'6.

dumbest shit test..if she was tall it would make sense.

I feel like, I'fi used that line on American girl, it still work

I like that your answer to the "one thing" question was something about her rather than being about you.

Regarding height, I imagine this is a supply and demand thing.. .so the girls are going to want taller guys if they can get them... even if they are short themselves.

I had a lawyer female friend at work who, in her 20s (and she was decent looking - maybe a 7.5) had a gazzillion requirements that her potential partner had to have, including making more than her and various physical requirements and political requirements. Almost needless to say, after she went through several crazy relationships, mostly due to her crazy expectations and personality, she came off of some of her many requirements in her mid-30s.

She still has princess disease, but the reality of her aging body and looks (she may be a 6, now), is causing her to realize that she had overly stringent requirements.

(08-10-2014 06:25 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  I've been noticing a glitch where my matches don't show up on my match list. I swipe right, get the notification that we match (or see it my notification tray on my phone), and then when I check the list the new match isn't there. I've lost at least four matches like this in the past 24 hours.

THIS ISN'T BECAUSE THE CHICK HAS UNMATCHED ME. It happened immediately after the match (making it unlikely she would have had time to unmatch) and multiple times. While some of these disappearances are attributable to a deleted account or an unmatch, it seems unlikely that they all are.

Anyone else seeing this?

Have you tried searching for the chicks name in your tinder matches? I noticed this happening a bit and realised tinder was just moving them far down in my match list for some reason.

(08-10-2014 06:25 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  I've been noticing a glitch where my matches don't show up on my match list. I swipe right, get the notification that we match (or see it my notification tray on my phone), and then when I check the list the new match isn't there. I've lost at least four matches like this in the past 24 hours.

THIS ISN'T BECAUSE THE CHICK HAS UNMATCHED ME. It happened immediately after the match (making it unlikely she would have had time to unmatch) and multiple times. While some of these disappearances are attributable to a deleted account or an unmatch, it seems unlikely that they all are.

Anyone else seeing this?

A lot of times, Tinder removes the bots you match with. I guess the app recognizes the bugs (those hooker-seeming girls you match with) and they disappear shortly after the match.

But, if this is with real girls (the ones you share interests and friends with), I would suggest seeing if they're still there on another device (for instance, if you have an iPad, iPod Touch, etc.) If they're there, I'd say it's a phone problem. If not, maybe the app is corrupted on your phone.

I wonder what the average dude's Tinder performance is like? I hear a lot of guys inviting girls straight over for a movie at their place. 1) Perhaps a miniscule fraction of girls I talk to are interested in dropping by my place on the first date. 2) ALL the girls I talk to are acutely aware Tinder is a bang-app and really make a point to end dates early.

Min general performance has been absolutely abysmal, however I've got several dates lined up with bonafide cuties the next few days. I must be missing some real basics here - better re-read some of the elemental stuff.

I appreciate Bullock's posts, but it sounds like he's got very good looks in which case I'm not sure his advice is externally valid (no disrespect). Menta hit the nail on the head - logistics and timing have to be perfect to make stuff happen. If things don't improve by the end of this week I'm just gonna have time out and focus on work for a bit.

(08-11-2014 02:03 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  I wonder what the average dude's Tinder performance is like? I hear a lot of guys inviting girls straight over for a movie at their place. 1) Perhaps a miniscule fraction of girls I talk to are interested in dropping by my place on the first date. 2) ALL the girls I talk to are acutely aware Tinder is a bang-app and really make a point to end dates early.

Min general performance has been absolutely abysmal, however I've got several dates lined up with bonafide cuties the next few days. I must be missing some real basics here - better re-read some of the elemental stuff.

I appreciate Bullock's posts, but it sounds like he's got very good looks in which case I'm not sure his advice is externally valid (no disrespect). Menta hit the nail on the head - logistics and timing have to be perfect to make stuff happen. If things don't improve by the end of this week I'm just gonna have time out and focus on work for a bit.

In my mind its simple:

The intro: Creating a connection, confident, strong frame, less is more (text game), number close asap.

Planning the meet: build comfort, don't scare the cat, ive used IG, pic trades, snapchat, and facetime to help build comfort and also to make sure they aren't a SIF. Strong funny/cocky text game does wonders.

The meet: of course try have them come over, if they do 90% of the time it's a bang with no LMR. As you said, menta is right - have logistics on lock. If she wont come over directly, meet somewhere close, then bounce back. If she invites you over to her HOUSE, it's a 90% bang. If she in invites you near/middle of the road, it's probably a loss.

Closing: when you do meet up be: cool calm collective, of course show your personality, any skills, hobbies, or great stories are a great hook. IOI and SMV are key of course. Always go for the bang and kiss.

PS im sure you know alot of this already and i'm not knockin any game you have

(08-11-2014 03:00 AM)kaotic Wrote:  In my mind its simple:

The intro: Creating a connection, confident, strong frame, less is more (text game), number close asap.

Planning the meet: build comfort, don't scare the cat, ive used IG, pic trades, snapchat, and facetime to help build comfort and also to make sure they aren't a SIF. Strong funny/cocky text game does wonders.

The meet: of course try have them come over, if they do 90% of the time it's a bang with no LMR. As you said, menta is right - have logistics on lock. If she wont come over directly, meet somewhere close, then bounce back. If she invites you over to her HOUSE, it's a 90% bang. If she in invites you near/middle of the road, it's probably a loss.

Closing: when you do meet up be: cool calm collective, of course show your personality, any skills, hobbies, or great stories are a great hook. IOI and SMV are key of course. Always go for the bang and kiss.

PS im sure you know alot of this already and i'm not knockin any game you have

If there's one thing I don't have, it's too much pride to be willing to accept a new lesson.

I think somewhere along the way I've forgotten some basics and perhaps I'm not getting the vibe right for a more secluded meet. It sounds to me like most of your dates take place in your pad or hers? That has not been my experience at all - perhaps I need to focus on changing that.

The rest of what you wrote is an excellent reminder

What are good ways to use Moments to generate interest and restart conversations with girls who stopped replying? Not all of us have the physique to take good bathroom selfies naked, but perhaps there are other, creative ways to use it?

I posted a picture a beautiful skyline in the sunset the other day. Many girls liked it; a couple messaged me saying they liked the pic.

(08-11-2014 03:25 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  

(08-11-2014 03:00 AM)kaotic Wrote:  In my mind its simple:

The intro: Creating a connection, confident, strong frame, less is more (text game), number close asap.

Planning the meet: build comfort, don't scare the cat, ive used IG, pic trades, snapchat, and facetime to help build comfort and also to make sure they aren't a SIF. Strong funny/cocky text game does wonders.

The meet: of course try have them come over, if they do 90% of the time it's a bang with no LMR. As you said, menta is right - have logistics on lock. If she wont come over directly, meet somewhere close, then bounce back. If she invites you over to her HOUSE, it's a 90% bang. If she in invites you near/middle of the road, it's probably a loss.

Closing: when you do meet up be: cool calm collective, of course show your personality, any skills, hobbies, or great stories are a great hook. IOI and SMV are key of course. Always go for the bang and kiss.

PS im sure you know alot of this already and i'm not knockin any game you have

If there's one thing I don't have, it's too much pride to be willing to accept a new lesson.

I think somewhere along the way I've forgotten some basics and perhaps I'm not getting the vibe right for a more secluded meet. It sounds to me like most of your dates take place in your pad or hers? That has not been my experience at all - perhaps I need to focus on changing that.

The rest of what you wrote is an excellent reminder

Most dates are a quick drink at a bar right down the street, then the bounce to my pad.

I've had a few who came over directly to my pad.

I've also had a few days which never panned out after the second. Along with a few who I got a 2nd or 3rd date bang.

Hmm... I have a bar which is a top notch place where I'm super tight with the bartenders, but it's a couple of miles from where I live and often in the opposite direction of where she lives.

The bars close to me are utter crap. I make way better cocktails (since I used to bartend with aforementioned bartenders).

Good ideas?

(08-11-2014 12:38 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  Hmm... I have a bar which is a top notch place where I'm super tight with the bartenders, but it's a couple of miles from where I live and often in the opposite direction of where she lives.

The bars close to me are utter crap. I make way better cocktails (since I used to bartend with aforementioned bartenders).

Good ideas?

They might be crap bars....but I think she'd be more interested in talking to YOU over a few drinks, regardless if they were badly made drinks or the bar was a hole in the wall.

You might make better cocktails, but it's up to you to sell that to the girl to come over directly.

Some girls love crap/dive bars you'd be surprised.

Your next option is to walk around with a starbucks cup, whatever cup etc, with mixed drinks at a park or somewhere else. It's pretty fun walking around drinking illegally and brings a sense of risk and adventure (girls dig that).

Basic restaurants are an option as well. I don't know your location, but the apple map app is your best friend in finding cool shit to do around you.

Man Tinder sucks where I'm at. I miss NYC.

It seems like girls on Tinder in my area have so many more options for men that If a date gets planned over 2 days out they put you on the backburner and try to land an upgrade the entire 2 days.

I guess I do that as well though

^^ If there is anything I have learned on tinder it's that you have to act quickly and meet up with these girls. Especially the hot ones.

I'm trolling bitches who didn't bother to respond to my previous messages:

"No boom boom for you then"

I've some new rules....

4 messengers sent at the max before asking for a number.
Get the number the same day

The last one may be obvious so what?

If she didn't give you her number after 3 or 4 sent messages then she probably ain't doing it after 'getting to know you more'

Thursday-Sat are prime times for me.

Last Thursday I set up a ice cream date (coincidently it was 3 blocks from my crib). She got another helping later...She parked at my place...and it begins

We walk to the place, get some ice cream, and then walk around (towards my apt) so she can feel more comfortable. I then suggest coming into my place to relax, eat the rest of it, and chat. I go to the bathroom so that she has some time to get accustomed to the new environment.

I ask if she likes the flavor she got. She offers me a taste. I like it of course. So now I've moved in close because I ate some of her icecream. I offer her some of mine, she goes for it. She looks at me with those 'eyes'. I finish mine and she feeds me more of hers. She finishes and I tell her she's got a little left on her lip. That's when I go in for the kiss.

Not much struggle after we move to my bedroom.

My 4th bang from Tinder.

That makes me 4/500

Again, not much effort spent on Timder. Some light chat and ask for the number.
Set up a date near you or at your place
Move it to your place
Hopefully she's down for the cause


Edit: I've officially only hung out with one girl after not asking for her number after 4 messages. Went out, a cool and pretty girl but I can tell she wants a relationship. Ejected

I just got burned with a 'going over to her place' meet. I guess I probably should've figured it was too good to be true but she was a good two points below her picture hotness. I've come to expect a one point drop from internet dating, but two points? Get the fuck out.

I figure I'm getting better at sniffing out photo and makeup tricks but sometimes it's pretty hard. Do you guys get them to send a pic over snapchat or something before arranging a date?

On the plus side I got two actually hot new lays from tinder last week so it's not all catfishing.

Also, I think Mentavious is pretty much right. Almost all my meets have had strong attraction from the first message, or they messaged me first. For example, when we're talking about our interests I always say one of mine is sex, and if they mention that, say something like 'I'm into sex as well', then that's a pretty good indication (obviously). I don't waste time trying to clown game chicks over text anymore if they aren't giving me anything back.

Side note:

I got back on POF this weekend for some easy leads

I tried searching with slim/athletic body type with a 20 mile radius..nothing. 50? Nothing..100!!! nothing. Then I put average for the hell of it...100 miles?!? Nothing

Looking at the pics I can see why. That site is truly the bottom of the barrel in the Michigan area.

POF sucks a big one. The only good thing about it is that it's easy to spam-like bitches using the "meet me" feature. Still, mostly ghetto/tattooed trash there where I live.

So, today I opened tinder and it was full of young, great looking girls - more than usual as tinder has been giving mixed quality (I have 18-50 age bracket because sometimes young girls are listed as being 109 etc).

I keep sweeping left & right, and there seems to be no end in young girls (18-24 max), while normally for the limited area I choose, it's like 20 of those a day. Didn't think about why this would be, and over the day I kept sweeping during toilet stops.

All of the sudden the reason why tinder exploded came to me: last week I changed my FB age, it was actually for the hot-or-not app that I did it. It now says 29 and apparently I am now within a lot more girls their preferred age bracket! It did take a week for tinder to pick up on it, as 2 days ago I changed my profile and it still said 32.

So a protip if you're early thirties: put it at 29.

(08-11-2014 11:27 PM)Arturo Belano Wrote:  I just got burned with a 'going over to her place' meet. I guess I probably should've figured it was too good to be true but she was a good two points below her picture hotness. I've come to expect a one point drop from internet dating, but two points? Get the fuck out.

I figure I'm getting better at sniffing out photo and makeup tricks but sometimes it's pretty hard. Do you guys get them to send a pic over snapchat or something before arranging a date?

ALWAYS get pics, I'll be honest someties that doesn't even guarantee they aren't a SIF

Best way to do it is by jokingly saying "wait, before we meet, how do I know you aren't some serial rapist (implies sex)"

or "how do I know you aren't some 300 LB dude named bubba trying to rape me (sex again)"

I also do the "compliancy spoon test" that's been mentioned on here, however I ask the girl to send me a pic with her tongue out and middle finger up.

Facetime works as well ! Always ask for their IG also !

ALSO: Did you end up banging this chick or eject quickly as you could ?

Usually its a sealed deal if you come to her house to watch a movie or drink. Unless she's meeting near her house which usually is a lose/lose.

(08-12-2014 08:05 AM)casio Wrote:  So, today I opened tinder and it was full of young, great looking girls - more than usual as tinder has been giving mixed quality (I have 18-50 age bracket because sometimes young girls are listed as being 109 etc).

I keep sweeping left & right, and there seems to be no end in young girls (18-24 max), while normally for the limited area I choose, it's like 20 of those a day. Didn't think about why this would be, and over the day I kept sweeping during toilet stops.

All of the sudden the reason why tinder exploded came to me: last week I changed my FB age, it was actually for the hot-or-not app that I did it. It now says 29 and apparently I am now within a lot more girls their preferred age bracket! It did take a week for tinder to pick up on it, as 2 days ago I changed my profile and it still said 32.

So a protip if you're early thirties: put it at 29.

I'm 28 I have a fake FB account and use 24 as my age. I definitely receive alot more matches.

Messing with the 'Moments' feature has been a great way to get girls to reopen you. I try to post memories in batches of 3-4. Pic of me doing something cool, selfie I look good in, and a meme or two.

Then I see who likes them if she likes all of them I try to reopen her. I've had girls reopen me after out convos died in the past too. "Date" tonight from a girl who reopened me after I did this yesterday.