Post: #1

Could you swallow the red pill and still be religious?

Post: #2

Nope, we can't be religious yet fuck sloots. It's an oxymoron.

That's like being a capitalist yet asking for welfare.

Post: #3

Absolutely. The focus of any man's life should be betterment, and no religion forbids hard work and dedication. Indeed, very few "redpill" concepts would even be controversial to most religious communities.

Post: #4

There's a difference between religious and spiritual. Religion just means following dogma and some false sense of morality. Spirituality means seeking after the truth, and rejecting all dogmas that separate us from the truth.

Post: #5

Yes, but to be in compliance with the religion, assuming it's a traditional faith, you'd probably have to be married and faithful.

Religion, properly expressed can be incredibly effective at meeting the needs of the common man. People who dismiss religion outright are just trying to impose their willful ignorance on others.

Post: #6

I have fought with this question for awhile. If you are Jewish or Christian, prostitution was discouraged, but tolerated; Judah banged his daughter-in-law (unknowingly); and David imported hookers, but was loved by God. As long as she is not a virgin, you have no biblical obligations.

The way I see it is even if you want a traditional relationship/marriage, you can still use game to get it, simply adjust it to your views. I have had to explain this to outsiders/feminists/etc that the manosphere is about what YOU want, not necessarily about having sex with lots of women every year.

I used to be an atheist, but now I see that religion is important for building a strong, civilized society. If feminists and socialists hate religion so much, that should say a lot about it. I have seen some militant atheism on here and other forums, but I dont understand it. It doesnt restrict manly urges, it reinforces male dominance and the proper balance of society.

Post: #7

Debauchery is a sin, however I think we can learn a lot from Jesus.

Who else has billions of women screaming and crying that they love him? This dude died 3,000 years ago.

After Mary was brought to Jesus, he did not condemn her, thus saving her life. She jocked him heavily after that.

Game recognized.

Post: #8

The totality of claims made by any and all religions ultimately become too absurd for any intelligent, independent thinker to accept. Sure, there's some decent lessons to be mined in religious texts, but inevitably some preposterously complex and insufficiently explained metaphysical concept (eg, "holy trinity") will present itself thus making complete submission to the religion in question an impossibility.

Putting the question of religions to one side, there's also the question of being a "naturalist" or believing in the possibility of the supernatural. A naturalist believes that ultimately that all occurring phenomena in the universe can be explained by hard science, whereas a believer in the supernatural believes that there is phenomena existing in the universe that transcends the laws of nature and which cannot be explained or quantified by science.

While I personally fall into the naturalist camp, I think that there are absolutely respectable arguments that can be made in favor of the supernatural being possible. Believing that the supernatural is possible would not inherently besmirch someone's red pill credibility in my opinion.

Post: #9

Of course. Read about Augustine of Hippo.

http://www.returnofkings.com/31566/the-m...er-written
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo

The man was a player. His most renowned quote is "Grant me chastity and continence but not yet".

What do we advocate?

-Healthy sex lives. No religion has an objection to this. The Bible says that prostitutes are an acceptable alternative to adultery.

-Leaving an unjust and unfree land. In the Judeo-Christian tradition, Moses leads his people away from Egypt which has enslaved them. Arguably the only difference between the Pharoah's kingdom and the modern US is how the people are enslaved. In Egypt, they were forcibly enslaved. In America, they are psychologically enslaved to their artificial lifestyles.

-Fighting for the truth. The Bible advocates telling the truth and never lying.

-Self-improvement. The Bible advocates self-discipline and improving your wisdom and personality.

The same can be said about the Quran and other major religious texts. We are trying to live a natural life wherein we accept the truth and don't lead lives in the service of evil. The red pill is an analogy for accepting the truth. Even though I am not religious - I'm agnostic - I live my life by Biblical principles. And there is nothing wrong with how I live my life in this corrupt land. Arguably, I live a more religious life than most guys and virtually all women who go to Church each Sunday.

Post: #10

"The Red Pill" is no more than building an understanding of the truer and baser natures of humanity. It counters many of the blatantly false aspects of social programming designed to demand your resources while never questioning the other end of that bargain.

What you elect to do with that knowledge is between you and whatever God you worship.

Post: #11

(06-07-2014 06:56 PM)PaPa Wrote:  Could you swallow the red pill and still be religious?

Yes. I'm religious. I believe that certain elements of my religion (such as the divinity of the Torah) aren't true, but I do believe in most of it.

The decline of religion can be linked to the decline of the West.

Post: #12

The lessons of 1 Kings where Jezebel used the mangina Ahab to persecute the prophet Elijah are gold.

Those who believe that an ordered and prosperous society is based on covenant between God and man, and man and woman will experience the howls of Jezebel. The similarities between the modern abortiontoria and babies passed through the fire to Moloch are sinister.

Post: #13

You can be red pill and religious in fact if you analyze the bible from a red pill perspective you can get one of the most intense wisdom dumps ever.

If you'd like to chat about faith sometime pm me sometime or start a thread.

Post: #14

I am religious and swallowed the red pill.

You can combine both, however you 'll never be following the religion to a T.

Post: #15

I believe majority of forumers are religious, no ?

Post: #16

(06-08-2014 08:05 PM)Orion Wrote:  I believe majority of forumers are religious, no ?

Nope, damned infidels...

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Post: #17

(06-08-2014 06:26 PM)mikado Wrote:  I am religious and swallowed the red pill.

You can combine both, however you 'll never be following the religion to a T.

That is the difference between religious and spiritual.

Religion = blind faith, dogma, empty rituals
Spiritual = you choose for yourself which practices or paths suit you the most. and if a particular aspect of a practice is not working for you, then you do not waste time performing it. You pick and choose what works best for YOU.

Spiritualism is something much more individualistic than organized religion. It's based on freedom instead of fear.

Post: #18

Yes. They can't be traditionally religious in that they have a wife, seven kids and don't have sex out of wedlock but they can be religious.

Some things in this life just can't be explained by science.

To paraphrase Stephen Hawking, "Sure the evidence leads us to believe in a big bang, but who's to say there couldn't have been a big banger?!"

Post: #19

(06-08-2014 09:49 PM)boycottamericanwomen Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 06:26 PM)mikado Wrote:  I am religious and swallowed the red pill.

You can combine both, however you 'll never be following the religion to a T.

That is the difference between religious and spiritual.

Religion = blind faith, dogma, empty rituals
Spiritual = you choose for yourself which practices or paths suit you the most. and if a particular aspect of a practice is not working for you, then you do not waste time performing it. You pick and choose what works best for YOU.

Spiritualism is something much more individualistic than organized religion. It's based on freedom instead of fear.

I have always found spiritual to be something neckbearded hipsters and flower children say to sound cool, but not religious.

Post: #20

(06-09-2014 03:08 AM)zaqan Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 09:49 PM)boycottamericanwomen Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 06:26 PM)mikado Wrote:  I am religious and swallowed the red pill.

You can combine both, however you 'll never be following the religion to a T.

That is the difference between religious and spiritual.

Religion = blind faith, dogma, empty rituals
Spiritual = you choose for yourself which practices or paths suit you the most. and if a particular aspect of a practice is not working for you, then you do not waste time performing it. You pick and choose what works best for YOU.

Spiritualism is something much more individualistic than organized religion. It's based on freedom instead of fear.

I have always found spiritual to be something neckbearded hipsters and flower children say to sound cool, but not religious.

Also celebrities who don't want to publicly admit they don't practice a religion.

Post: #21

You can be spiritual, but you cannot be religious, because religion is a trap for people who try to have a spiritual awakening, just like blue pill dating advice is a trap for men who want to have a sexual awakening.

Having said that most of what today gets called "spirituality" and "personal spirituality free from establishment and dogma of conventional religions" is mere hamsterism, hogwash, Trojan horses of liberalism and goddess worship of the female imperative. In other words it is witchcraft - a surrogate of a true spiritual life.

Spirituality is not about freedom and doing as faeries and unicorns dictate to your poetic soul of an emotional feelings drunkard. Spirituality is about study, strict discipline, deep self analysis and intellectual honesty. Spirituality must be taken seriously as a science or not taken at all. In true spirituality you search for laws that govern this universe and not for miracles, searching for miracles is the folly of the lazy, stupid and weak. A magician looks like performing miracles for the stupid, while in actuality he is the most devoted observer of the natural laws he has discovered and asks from his higher self nothing more then the ability to be a good observer of the laws, the observance of whom, separate the living (in spirit) from the dead (in spirit). The only difference from religions is that to be alive spiritually you must communicate with the higher self on your own and not be a subject of interpretation form priests, which can be helpful sometimes, but deceitful at other times.

However do not despise religions. Religions are a must to make females fall in line. Females need supervision in these matters because on their own they are not capable of spirituality, left on their own they can practice nothing but witchcraft.

Post: #22

I think that you can. Being true to religious dogma is fairly difficult in the modern world. Roosh wrote an article a while back about have you can be a PUA and still advocate for traditional gender roles. Same theory applies. We are red pill men stuck in a blue pill world. You got to make the best of the whole situation. If women today weren't sluts and whores, then there really would be a strong PUA movement. Sure game would still be relevant. Men wouldn't be racking up a colossal number of belt notches if women were traditional, virtuous and saving it for marriage.

Post: #23

(06-09-2014 05:41 AM)Mage Wrote:  You can be spiritual, but you cannot be religious, because religion is a trap for people who try to have a spiritual awakening, just like blue pill dating advice is a trap for men who want to have a sexual awakening.

Having said that most of what today gets called "spirituality" and "personal spirituality free from establishment and dogma of conventional religions" is mere hamsterism, hogwash, Trojan horses of liberalism and goddess worship of the female imperative. In other words it is witchcraft - a surrogate of a true spiritual life.

Spirituality is not about freedom and doing as faeries and unicorns dictate to your poetic soul of an emotional feelings drunkard. Spirituality is about study, strict discipline, deep self analysis and intellectual honesty. Spirituality must be taken seriously as a science or not taken at all. In true spirituality you search for laws that govern this universe and not for miracles, searching for miracles is the folly of the lazy, stupid and weak. A magician looks like performing miracles for the stupid, while in actuality he is the most devoted observer of the natural laws he has discovered and asks from his higher self nothing more then the ability to be a good observer of the laws, the observance of whom, separate the living (in spirit) from the dead (in spirit). The only difference from religions is that to be alive spiritually you must communicate with the higher self on your own and not be a subject of interpretation form priests, which can be helpful sometimes, but deceitful at other times.

However do not despise religions. Religions are a must to make females fall in line. Females need supervision in these matters because on their own they are not capable of spirituality, left on their own they can practice nothing but witchcraft.

Great post. Spirituality is indeed the most serious thing that you can undertake. People that want to treat it as some kind of weekend warrior thing will never achieve success. It requires entering a state of samadhi or trance where you focus on it 24 hours a day.

And yea, religion is mostly for keeping women in control. I've yet to meet many women who are even capable of real spiritual life. Religion is the outer-shell of spirituality, and useful to both keep women in control and to guide them slowly towards a path of higher awakening.

Funny how all the greatest philosophers have all been men?

Post: #24

(06-09-2014 05:41 AM)Mage Wrote:  You can be spiritual, but you cannot be religious, because religion is a trap for people who try to have a spiritual awakening, just like blue pill dating advice is a trap for men who want to have a sexual awakening.

Having said that most of what today gets called "spirituality" and "personal spirituality free from establishment and dogma of conventional religions" is mere hamsterism, hogwash, Trojan horses of liberalism and goddess worship of the female imperative. In other words it is witchcraft - a surrogate of a true spiritual life.

Spirituality is not about freedom and doing as faeries and unicorns dictate to your poetic soul of an emotional feelings drunkard. Spirituality is about study, strict discipline, deep self analysis and intellectual honesty. Spirituality must be taken seriously as a science or not taken at all. In true spirituality you search for laws that govern this universe and not for miracles, searching for miracles is the folly of the lazy, stupid and weak. A magician looks like performing miracles for the stupid, while in actuality he is the most devoted observer of the natural laws he has discovered and asks from his higher self nothing more then the ability to be a good observer of the laws, the observance of whom, separate the living (in spirit) from the dead (in spirit). The only difference from religions is that to be alive spiritually you must communicate with the higher self on your own and not be a subject of interpretation form priests, which can be helpful sometimes, but deceitful at other times.

However do not despise religions. Religions are a must to make females fall in line. Females need supervision in these matters because on their own they are not capable of spirituality, left on their own they can practice nothing but witchcraft.

Great post. Especially loved the line about witchcraft. Very very true.

Paul Tournier writes about spiritual imperialism which happens when people try to stay at the point between point A and B of their spirituality awakening. Religion helps open the door, but people get stuck at re-opening that door and forcing others to do the same.

I remind many fellow Christians about this and they get a little snuffed. It's important that one reads and analyzes the text critically. Being red pill helps with this greatly.

Post: #25

Quote:You can be spiritual, but you cannot be religious, because religion is a trap for people who try to have a spiritual awakening, just like blue pill dating advice is a trap for men who want to have a sexual awakening.

Having said that most of what today gets called "spirituality" and "personal spirituality free from establishment and dogma of conventional religions" is mere hamsterism, hogwash, Trojan horses of liberalism and goddess worship of the female imperative. In other words it is witchcraft - a surrogate of a true spiritual life.

Spirituality is not about freedom and doing as faeries and unicorns dictate to your poetic soul of an emotional feelings drunkard. Spirituality is about study, strict discipline, deep self analysis and intellectual honesty. Spirituality must be taken seriously as a science or not taken at all. In true spirituality you search for laws that govern this universe and not for miracles, searching for miracles is the folly of the lazy, stupid and weak. A magician looks like performing miracles for the stupid, while in actuality he is the most devoted observer of the natural laws he has discovered and asks from his higher self nothing more then the ability to be a good observer of the laws, the observance of whom, separate the living (in spirit) from the dead (in spirit). The only difference from religions is that to be alive spiritually you must communicate with the higher self on your own and not be a subject of interpretation form priests, which can be helpful sometimes, but deceitful at other times.

However do not despise religions. Religions are a must to make females fall in line. Females need supervision in these matters because on their own they are not capable of spirituality, left on their own they can practice nothing but witchcraft.

I wholeheartedly agree. Now, I'll ramble on a similar topic.

In my opinion:

Religion= Society/The masses

Spirituality= Individual

Militant atheists are always saying: "Religion is just a tool to control the masses." No shit!!

Individuals should not be bound by religious dogma, although in order for civilization to flourish primal instincts must be suppressed and the best way to do that is by religion. Now, if society is nothing but a large group of individuals, that would mean that everyone should be spiritual and thus religion would not exist. Yes, but there are two ways to avoid this.

1.) Not everyone is capable of being spiritual: Just as not every man is an alpha male, not every person is going to be capable of discovering a higher form of consciousness. These people make up the masses; this is who religion is designed for. These are the people who if not kept in check will wreak havoc on society. I know I sound like some megalomaniacal autocrat, but bear with me haha.

2.) People practice spirituality privately, but religion in public. The issue with this is that most people won't be able to handle this which is why option 1 is the best.

System 1 has worked for thousands of years. Aristocrats party and fuck and the masses are at temple/church going through religious ceremonies.

With the advent of technology and science, the masses have begun to reject religion now and are no longer bound by moral authority. This is one of the major reasons for the decline in Western culture.

So, as the great 19th century Russian writers would say: What is to be done?

A theocracy could be imposed where an autocrat or oligarchy rule with an iron fist to keep the people in check. Although, since humans are not divine, this would likely fail.

In my opinion, the best solution is to adapt to the modern world. Instead of religion per se, a belief system focused around virtue is put in place. This system would allow for belief in God, but not require it by any means. It would emphasize science, technology and free thought and of course living a virtuous and fulfilling life. Has anything like this been suggested?

In fact, yes. Despite not being an atheist and Marxist, I recently purchased Christopher Hitchens' Arguably on audiobook. It's quite good, and he is a brilliant man. In one essay he mentions Ben Franklin's Party of Virtues, which consisted of thirteen virtues:

Quote:1.) Temperance. Eat not to dullness; drink not to elevation.
2.) Silence. Speak not but what may benefit others or yourself; avoid trifling conversation.
3.) Order. Let all your things have their places; let each part of your business have its time.
4.) Resolution. Resolve to perform what you ought; perform without fail what you resolve.
5.) Frugality. Make no expense but to do good to others or yourself; i.e., waste nothing.
6.) Industry. Lose no time; be always employ'd in something useful; cut off all unnecessary actions.
7.) Sincerity. Use no hurtful deceit; think innocently and justly, and, if you speak, speak accordingly.
8.) Justice. Wrong none by doing injuries, or omitting the benefits that are your duty.
9.) Moderation. Avoid extremes; forbear resenting injuries so much as you think they deserve.
10.) Cleanliness. Tolerate no uncleanliness in body, cloaths, or habitation.
11.) Tranquillity. Be not disturbed at trifles, or at accidents common or unavoidable.
12.) Chastity. Rarely use venery but for health or offspring, never to dullness, weakness, or the injury of your own or another's peace or reputation.
13.) Humility. Imitate Jesus and Socrates.—Benjamin Franklin, The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin, (1791).

http://www.ealmanac.com/2974/numbers/the...-franklin/

More info: http://unitedpartyforvirtue.org/

Now, this sounds good, but how do we get the masses on board? I have no clue... it sounds like it would be great for the bright minds and wealthy, but again most people are not capable of adhering to such things.

Now, that I've finished rambling and completely disregarded the question in the OP: Kind of.

I think there are many misconceptions about religion to the dogmatic nature that it is preached, but that is not how it was intended to be. I do believe one can be red pill and religious as religion does in fact allow room for free thought, but if taking the red pill means rejecting traditional ideology and one is religious, than that is contradicting.

So, my recommendation is that yes one may be religious, however they should focus on the religions virtues and teachings as opposed to the rituals and miracles and use those teachings to guide and create their own belief system to thus obtain a higher level of consciousness.