Post: #26

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Quote:Militant atheists are always saying: "Religion is just a tool to control the masses." No shit!!

Well if religion is just a tool to control the masses, then what is spirituality? Is spirituality a tool that can free an individual? Free him of his conditioning, brainwashing, and lead him to a higher path of freedom?

Post: #27

Yes...

By your tone it sounds like I may be contradicting myself somewhere so please correct me if I am.

Post: #28

Yes, I am religious to an extent and a RooshVForum member.

Post: #29

Redpill taken with food for thought:

Atheism by itself is the rejection or lack of belief in supernatural, divine, metaphysical deities, or guiding dogma as a philosophy to live your life by.

The moment someone believing an atheist philosophy attempts to convince others that by following any religion makes an individual incapable of acquiring logic and reason, that person is immediately no longer an atheist. They become an evangelists of a dogma themselves, preaching for conversion of their own, ironically fallacious, philosophy.

Until the existence of gods or any supernatural entities can be proven or disproven by science, the debate remains solidly open as to who is more correct, logical, reasonable etc. A few of my atheist, agnostic and catholic intellectual friends talked about this one day and came to this conclusion.



There is no such thing as a real militant atheist.

Post: #30

(06-08-2014 06:26 PM)mikado Wrote:  I am religious and swallowed the red pill.

You can combine both, however you 'll never be following the religion to a T.

I second that comment to a T

Post: #31

Its funny to me how people interpret religion so differently.

If you actually believe in God and think Jesus was his son and that the Bible and Torah are His word, then I dont know how you can casually dismiss some of the commandments in them just to suit yourself.

"Yes God and Heaven and Hell exist, and you are punished for sin, but lemme just slide it up this sloots butt and write about it online."

Post: #32

(06-07-2014 06:56 PM)PaPa Wrote:  Could you swallow the red pill and still be religious?

Ignoring that religious means a lot of different things to different people, it depends on what red pill means to you exactly. You can be red pill without even being a player, in my opinion. I see "red pill" (a term I'm not 100% fond of, even if it's apt) as being able to look through what you've been taught about gender by our society and seeing some fucked up dynamics for what they really are.

I don't see why you can't recognize those truths without fully buying into the full-blown player lifestyle, which would indeed go against most religious dogmas. I think it's perfectly possible to call society out on its messed up priorities, and be a stronger more together man, yet still live a disciplined life and hold yourself and the women you associate with to a certain standard.

A better question might be whether you can be an active RVFer and religious at the same time, and therein lies a real challenge. Associating with the crowd here makes it very difficult to not pick up their habits and lifestyle.

I don't consider myself a follower in the least, but being so involved here has definitely affected my morals, behavior, direction, and actions in life - and not always in a way that I'm comfortable with. Simply because who you associate with strongly affects who you are, and we're associating with each other quite a bit around here, even if it's not in person.

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Rudyard Kipling

Post: #33

(06-20-2014 08:03 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  Its funny to me how people interpret religion so differently.

If you actually believe in God and think Jesus was his son and that the Bible and Torah are His word, then I dont know how you can casually dismiss some of the commandments in them just to suit yourself.

"Yes God and Heaven and Hell exist, and you are punished for sin, but lemme just slide it up this sloots butt and write about it online."

I cant speak for Christianity, but in the Hebrew Bible, prostitution is tolerated (Gen 38, Deut 23.19). There is no direct prohibition, however fathers are supposed to ensure their daughters do not become prostitutes (Lev 19.29). Only the priestly class was prohibited from marrying whores (Lev 21.7). Premarital sex is tolerated, but blamed on the male, who is to be punished for spoiling a virgin (Deut 22.28-29). A number of favored figures, such as King David, were infamous womanizers.

It sets out the way the world should be, but also accepts that reality isnt quite like ideals. It has been said here or on RoK that the Hebrew Bible can be read like a red pill manual.

Post: #34

(06-20-2014 10:49 PM)zaqan Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 08:03 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  Its funny to me how people interpret religion so differently.

If you actually believe in God and think Jesus was his son and that the Bible and Torah are His word, then I dont know how you can casually dismiss some of the commandments in them just to suit yourself.

"Yes God and Heaven and Hell exist, and you are punished for sin, but lemme just slide it up this sloots butt and write about it online."

I cant speak for Christianity, but in the Hebrew Bible, prostitution is tolerated (Gen 38, Deut 23.19). There is no direct prohibition, however fathers are supposed to ensure their daughters do not become prostitutes (Lev 19.29). Only the priestly class was prohibited from marrying whores (Lev 21.7). Premarital sex is tolerated, but blamed on the male, who is to be punished for spoiling a virgin (Deut 22.28-29). A number of favored figures, such as King David, were infamous womanizers.

It sets out the way the world should be, but also accepts that reality isnt quite like ideals. It has been said here or on RoK that the Hebrew Bible can be read like a red pill manual.

Modern women basically are prostitutes. Nice girls, virgin girls, do not hang out at bars or clubs. So the women getting pumped and dumped have no one to blame but themselves. They are choosing to put themselves in environments where men will use them like whores. They could also choose to not be whores in the first place, to be a nice virginal girl, but such women don't really exist in the West anymore.

As for the question of "sin", let's look at eastern religions. In Buddhism and Hinduism, there is no concept of "sin". There is the concept of karma. Also, sex is not considered as some great evil or sin. It's considered a natural function of the body.

The whole idea in Hinduism and Buddhism is to transcend the lower three chakras, which are concerned with survival, sex, and food (greed), and bring our body's energy to the higher chakras where we can begin to experience a spiritual life. Whereas in the western religions, the idea is that if we don't avoid sex, over-eating, and other "sins", we'll burn in hell forever.

Western religion teaches that you have to wait until you die to attain your spiritual rewards. Whereas eastern religion gives a process (yoga, which literally means 'union with god') by which you can attain a spiritual existence in this very life, right now.

Post: #35

I would be considered very religious by a lot of people. Church every Sunday, every week.

However, I wouldn't say that I'm religious in the current sense of the word.

Rather, I live by a code.

I work hard to not be motivated by selfish desire.

I work hard to leave everyone better than I found them.

I won't do more sexually with a woman than she's done before.

I don't do anything that is going to hurt them.

My conscience is clear.


I might go into the exact details of my philosophy on a day that follows a night when I got more than three hours of sleep.

Post: #36

Yes, you can be religious, but you shouldn't. To explain; religious people cherry pick the parts of doctrine they like anyways so to be active on this forum is totally in line with religion. Not to mention nearly every religion treats woman like shit so your particular good probably loves this forum. Lastly why you shouldn't be religious is because your a smart guy and can see a freaking scam when you see it. I wouldn't blame you for claiming some form of Christianity not to scare away all the woman believe morals come from the murderous bible. I would think most men in this forum can see that religion is a scam. Simple facts that put this in perspective: 1. The church is 70% woman and the U.S. prisons have less than 2% atheist.

Tardis

Post: #37

(06-21-2014 04:51 AM)DemargoTardis Wrote:  Yes, you can be religious, but you shouldn't. To explain; religious people cherry pick the parts of doctrine they like anyways so to be active on this forum is totally in line with religion. Not to mention nearly every religion treats woman like shit so your particular good probably loves this forum. Lastly why you shouldn't be religious is because your a smart guy and can see a freaking scam when you see it. I wouldn't blame you for claiming some form of Christianity not to scare away all the woman believe morals come from the murderous bible. I would think most men in this forum can see that religion is a scam. Simple facts that put this in perspective: 1. The church is 70% woman and the U.S. prisons have less than 2% atheist.

Tardis

*Tips fedora

Post: #38

(06-21-2014 01:30 AM)boycottamericanwomen Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 10:49 PM)zaqan Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 08:03 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  Its funny to me how people interpret religion so differently.

If you actually believe in God and think Jesus was his son and that the Bible and Torah are His word, then I dont know how you can casually dismiss some of the commandments in them just to suit yourself.

"Yes God and Heaven and Hell exist, and you are punished for sin, but lemme just slide it up this sloots butt and write about it online."

I cant speak for Christianity, but in the Hebrew Bible, prostitution is tolerated (Gen 38, Deut 23.19). There is no direct prohibition, however fathers are supposed to ensure their daughters do not become prostitutes (Lev 19.29). Only the priestly class was prohibited from marrying whores (Lev 21.7). Premarital sex is tolerated, but blamed on the male, who is to be punished for spoiling a virgin (Deut 22.28-29). A number of favored figures, such as King David, were infamous womanizers.

It sets out the way the world should be, but also accepts that reality isnt quite like ideals. It has been said here or on RoK that the Hebrew Bible can be read like a red pill manual.

Modern women basically are prostitutes. Nice girls, virgin girls, do not hang out at bars or clubs. So the women getting pumped and dumped have no one to blame but themselves. They are choosing to put themselves in environments where men will use them like whores. They could also choose to not be whores in the first place, to be a nice virginal girl, but such women don't really exist in the West anymore.

Daddy issues. See Leviticus 19.29 like I said. Now, I personally dont think the Bible/Torah is meant for everyone. Some things are universal, some are specific. But that doesnt change really good points like this about how much role a father needs to play in the life of his growing children.

Quote:As for the question of "sin", let's look at eastern religions. In Buddhism and Hinduism, there is no concept of "sin". There is the concept of karma. Also, sex is not considered as some great evil or sin. It's considered a natural function of the body.

Sin doesnt exist in Judaism. Its more of a Christian concept. There is a purity/impurity thing, but that seems to derive more from cleanliness than sex = bad. Otherwise, it would conflict with the exhortation "Be fruitful and multiply". Sex is important in Judaism, but the problems it can cause are recognized and regulated.

Post: #39

It probably depends on which religious tradition you're talking about. If I believed that a supernatural being was going to decide when I die whether or not I experience an afterlife of eternal bliss or eternal torment based on how well I followed his instructions, I would probably spend a lot of time trying my hardest to follow those instructions and significantly less time chasing ass.

If you're just talking about "religion" or "theism" in general, though, the bare claim "there exists a supernatural being responsible for the creation of the universe who knows about and cares about humans" is probably compatible with being a player. Just believing in a deity of some sort doesn't commit you to any particular creed or code of ethics.

Who knows, maybe God lets people into higher and higher tiers of heaven based on their quality-adjusted notch count.

Post: #40

Dude, I'm sure Roosh is cool with whatever you want to do! He's not advocating any sort of religion after all. What he's enlightening you guys to is a mindset really that empowers the modern day man. A mindset that truly advocates freedom. Therefore, I believe he would believe that you're free to practice any religion (or atheism) that you wish to practice. Correct me if I'm wrong. And I think I agree with those folks that are distinguishing between the nuances of certain religions & spirituality. If you want to look at the dark side of religion, just look at modern day Iraq for example with the mindless Sunni Muslim vs. Shiite Muslim war. It's accomplishing NOTHING but murder & mayhem among brethren.

Post: #41

(06-21-2014 01:30 AM)boycottamericanwomen Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 10:49 PM)zaqan Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 08:03 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  Its funny to me how people interpret religion so differently.

If you actually believe in God and think Jesus was his son and that the Bible and Torah are His word, then I dont know how you can casually dismiss some of the commandments in them just to suit yourself.

"Yes God and Heaven and Hell exist, and you are punished for sin, but lemme just slide it up this sloots butt and write about it online."

I cant speak for Christianity, but in the Hebrew Bible, prostitution is tolerated (Gen 38, Deut 23.19). There is no direct prohibition, however fathers are supposed to ensure their daughters do not become prostitutes (Lev 19.29). Only the priestly class was prohibited from marrying whores (Lev 21.7). Premarital sex is tolerated, but blamed on the male, who is to be punished for spoiling a virgin (Deut 22.28-29). A number of favored figures, such as King David, were infamous womanizers.

It sets out the way the world should be, but also accepts that reality isnt quite like ideals. It has been said here or on RoK that the Hebrew Bible can be read like a red pill manual.

Modern women basically are prostitutes. Nice girls, virgin girls, do not hang out at bars or clubs. So the women getting pumped and dumped have no one to blame but themselves. They are choosing to put themselves in environments where men will use them like whores. They could also choose to not be whores in the first place, to be a nice virginal girl, but such women don't really exist in the West anymore.

As for the question of "sin", let's look at eastern religions. In Buddhism and Hinduism, there is no concept of "sin". There is the concept of karma. Also, sex is not considered as some great evil or sin. It's considered a natural function of the body.

The whole idea in Hinduism and Buddhism is to transcend the lower three chakras, which are concerned with survival, sex, and food (greed), and bring our body's energy to the higher chakras where we can begin to experience a spiritual life. Whereas in the western religions, the idea is that if we don't avoid sex, over-eating, and other "sins", we'll burn in hell forever.

Western religion teaches that you have to wait until you die to attain your spiritual rewards. Whereas eastern religion gives a process (yoga, which literally means 'union with god') by which you can attain a spiritual existence in this very life, right now.

Actually, there are surprising similarities between eastern religions and western religions. The lower chakras and "sin" are really just basal human instincts. Most Christians foolishly miss the point of what sin really is. When you roll around in your more basal instincts, you begin to feel spiritually dead inside in a similar manner of being "stuck" in the lower chakras of eastern religion.

Christianity speaks of "death" and "burning in hell" as an allegory for spiritual death which you can see in the eyes of many western women (and men) who use sex, work, and money as a way to fill a void. I know because I used to feel that pit and void and attempted to fill it with pointless things.

Hinduism effectively teaches a similar thing. The other minor god's that Hinduism has can also be equated with Catholicism and praying to the saints. I won't lie, I've certainly prayed to St. Paul before. It's important to understand that you're not worshipping St. Paul as the creator of the universe but a specific part of a larger entity that is in union with the creator.

I can't speak on behalf of the other faiths, but Christianity has a built in mechanism that draws people to the faith if they've truly seen the light and follow the holy spirit. There's no need to cajole or force people to the faith because they should be so moved by your own conviction that they are drawn to it themselves.

Post: #42

(06-08-2014 06:26 PM)mikado Wrote:  I am religious and swallowed the red pill.

You can combine both, however you 'll never be following the religion to a T.

I agree.

Post: #43

Asking can RVF members still be religious is like asking if Christians can still be hypocrites.

Post: #44

I doubt anyone here really worries about what anyone else does for religious/ spiritual purposes. If you are content who are any of us to judge you? Go and be happy.

That's such an individual thing and if you look around the World its heavily geographical as well. That element makes me cynical to think every region has a built in mechanism of social control and conformity but if the sheep are happy let them graze.

What religion promotes getting out of gmo cable tv feminazi police state animal farm fiat money neocon military industrial complex bankster Zionist lobby Mainstream media brainwashed America?

That would be an interesting religion to read up on.

Post: #45

(06-26-2014 05:16 PM)ash093 Wrote:  Asking can RVF members still be religious is like asking if Christians can still be hypocrites.

What's wrong with being a hypocrite?

Post: #46

(06-26-2014 05:16 PM)ash093 Wrote:  Asking can RVF members still be religious is like asking if Christians can still be hypocrites.

You should construct a more useful argument newbie.

Post: #47

I think Red Pill is about recognizing the world for what is and making intelligent decisions. That's definitely
compatible with a religious outlook/lifestyle, if you want to live that type of life.

Roosh and Roissy/Heartiste are both not anti-religion.

Post: #48

See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. My religion.

Living in harmony.