Post: #26

I suppose they could always go back to arranged marriages. No. Wait. 80% of Japanese women would then complain about that.

Post: #27

Just goes to show social game is so important in Japan.

Post: #28

(05-14-2014 12:34 PM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:40 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:09 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:   However a lot of girls have an absurdly high image of Westerners and sometimes that alone is all you need.

Read my post again. I didn't say most, I said a lot.

The distinction between "most" and "a lot" doesn't really matter. I disagree with it, just the same.

Quote:I've scored and I know plenty of guys who have scored here simply for being Western. If that hasn't happened to you .... well I am sorry.

There is a small minority of foreigner enthusiasts here who hang out at gaijin bars and the like, and they can be easy to bone. They, however, as I said, are only a tiny minority, and they are not representative of the general population of Japanese women. The average Japanese girl, despite idealising White/European features, has no particular desire to fuck Western men. There is even a stigma in many social circles of being branded "the foreigner slut", which some Japanese women want to avoid.

Yes, among the women I've slept with here, some were certainly into me at least in part because I was a foreigner, but again, they do not represent the general population of Japanese women.

Post: #29

(05-14-2014 10:19 AM)Felix88 Wrote:  The more days pass, the more I convinced caveman game is the single most effective game in Japan day or night, too bad I didn't figure this out sooner.

The first I ever heard of caveman game was a decade ago in Japan. It certainly worked then.

Post: #30

The problem is that guys are getting paid to pick up girls on the streets of Tokyo. It's a multi-million dollar business and cute girls have to fill the host clubs, soap lands, lolita cafe's, strips clubs, etc. The internet has made it easier for girls to find and join these places, but cold approaching will always be used to find new girls.

Post: #31

(05-15-2014 08:48 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 12:34 PM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:40 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:09 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:   However a lot of girls have an absurdly high image of Westerners and sometimes that alone is all you need.

Read my post again. I didn't say most, I said a lot.

The distinction between "most" and "a lot" doesn't really matter. I disagree with it, just the same.

Quote:I've scored and I know plenty of guys who have scored here simply for being Western. If that hasn't happened to you .... well I am sorry.

There is a small minority of foreigner enthusiasts here who hang out at gaijin bars and the like, and they can be easy to bone. They, however, as I said, are only a tiny minority, and they are not representative of the general population of Japanese women. The average Japanese girl, despite idealising White/European features, has no particular desire to fuck Western men. There is even a stigma in many social circles of being branded "the foreigner slut", which some Japanese women want to avoid.

Yes, among the women I've slept with here, some were certainly into me at least in part because I was a foreigner, but again, they do not represent the general population of Japanese women.

Ok dude. Looks like your just trying to disagree just to disagree. I said in my first post it could depend on the situation. I said girls would worry about being judged.

There is a difference between most and a lot especially in a country of millions. Just don't put words in others mouths and you won't have to say the distinction doesn't really matter. Maybe it really doesn't matter to you but the post wasn't to you. Let the people who haven't been to Japan decide for themselves instead of nitpicking my post.

I agree that in the gaijin bars those girls are all about getting a foreigner notch. There are definitely more options however. If you can speak Japanese you can get the girls that are interested in gaijin, but not interested enough to chase them, and they are usually better quality than the gaijin hunters. I've been more than one chicks first gaijin because of my language ability.

Yes, among the women I've slept with here, some were certainly into me at least in part because I was a foreigner, but again, they do not represent the general population of Japanese women.
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Again with putting words in my mouth. Never did I say anything about the general population of Japanese women. I said......a lot.

I live in Osaka. Which is so close to Nara, Kobe, and Kyoto it's like one giant metropolis. A lot of Japanese girls are interested in foreigners. Not most, not the general population just a lot. Simple as that.

Post: #32

(05-16-2014 12:00 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  Ok dude. Looks like your just trying to disagree just to disagree. I said in my first post it could depend on the situation. I said girls would worry about being judged.

No one is putting words in your mouth or nitpicking your statements, and no one is taking issue with the fact that you said girls worry about being judged, either. I took issue with your statement that "a lot" of girls will sleep with you just because you're a Westerner, and that that that "is all you need".

Quote:There is a difference between most and a lot especially in a country of millions.

That depends on what you mean by "a lot." By "a lot" I understand a significant percentage of the population. If you think your statement applies to a significant portion of the Japanese, you're entitled to that opinion, but I still have to disagree.

Quote: Maybe it really doesn't matter to you but the post wasn't to you. Let the people who haven't been to Japan decide for themselves instead of nitpicking my post.

Nobody's nitpicking your post. Whether the post was intended for me is irrelevant.
People who've never been here can better decide for themselves when they've heard differing opinions. Sounds more like you just don't like people disagreeing with you...

Quote:I agree that in the gaijin bars those girls are all about getting a foreigner notch. There are definitely more options however. If you can speak Japanese you can get the girls that are interested in gaijin, but not interested enough to chase them, and they are usually better quality than the gaijin hunters. I've been more than one chicks first gaijin because of my language ability.

I speak Japanese conversationally i.e. I can go on a date and converse with a girl all night and have no diffficulties. Of course I''m not implying that the foreigner groupies are your only option. Generally, if you want to get anywhere with the general population of Japanese girls, you'll need to know the language.

Quote:Again with putting words in my mouth. Never did I say anything about the general population of Japanese women. I said......a lot.

Again, no one's "putting words in your mouth". As far as I'm concerned, "a lot" is at least a visible percentage of the general population.

Quote:I live in Osaka. Which is so close to Nara, Kobe, and Kyoto it's like one giant metropolis. A lot of Japanese girls are interested in foreigners. Not most, not the general population just a lot. Simple as that.

Please define what you mean by "a lot." What exactly does "a lot" mean? From what I've seen here, the girls who actively seek out foreigners are a tiny minority. Just from personal experience, I'd say most girls in Osaka City don't give a shit about foreigners (not to say they're turned off to the idea, only they have no particular interest). Kyoto is a bit different, as it has a larger foreign population than its neighbour.

Post: #33

Oh, I'm sorry. You not here to disagree, just to argue semantics.

There is a small minority of foreigner enthusiasts here who hang out at gaijin bars and the like, and they can be easy to bone. They, however, as I said, are only a tiny minority, and they are not representative of the general population of Japanese women. The average Japanese girl, despite idealising White/European features, has no particular desire to fuck Western men. There is even a stigma in many social circles of being branded "the foreigner slut", which some Japanese women want to avoid.

Yes, among the women I've slept with here, some were certainly into me at least in part because I was a foreigner, but again, they do not represent the general population of Japanese women.
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Representative of the General population, Average Japanese girl. We'll I said nothing about either. You said you disagree because you feel a lot means a significant portion of the Japanese population and you felt my post implied a significant portion of Japanese will sleep with you just because your a foreigner.

What is my definition of a lot? I'll go with the dictionary which says: a large number.
In a country of 130million with a great male to female ratio a lot/large number of females will sleep with you just for being Western. The individual can decide if a large number is significant or not for them.

Dude your done. We are just going to have to agree to disagree. I have a lot of Japanese girls to deal with.

Post: #34

(05-14-2014 04:59 AM)draketton Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 01:03 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Nanpa was well known back in the "community" years ago.

WIA

Wiki article says that nanpa boys are known for overdressing. Daygaming while suited up - a terrible strategy in terms of success rate, and a one way ticket to betabuxville even if it strikes a lead.

The wiki article is 100% wrong.

Source - lived in Tokyo for 5 years.

Post: #35

(05-16-2014 07:53 PM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  Oh, I'm sorry. You not here to disagree, just to argue semantics.

Sounds like you just don't like people disagreeing with your opinion, then. Not sure whether or not you're deliberately backpeddling or just doing it subconsciously.

Quote:What is my definition of a lot? I'll go with the dictionary which says: a large number.
In a country of 130million with a great male to female ratio a lot/large number of females will sleep with you just for being Western. The individual can decide if a large number is significant or not for them.

Less than 1% of Japan's population is Christian. In a country of 130 million, that still means about 1.3 million people. Technically, I could play with words as you did to come up with the statement "a lot Japanese are Christians," which, while technically true (depending of course on your arbitrary understanding of "a lot") is completely misleading.

If I were to say "a lot of Japanese are Christians" and someone called me out for that statement, saying less than a percent of the population followed Christianity, imagine if I started backpeddling, saying "Oh, but but but but, I never said 'a LOT' meant the majority!...Y-you're just putting words in my mouth!"

In a country with 130 million, any tiny and insignificant minority can be arbitrarily made out to mean "a lot".
Without context, "a lot" is meaningless. In proportion, meaning the context of 130 million people, no..."a lot" of Japanese women are not necessarily going sleep with you just for being a Westerner.

Sounds more like you're the one playing with words.

Post: #36

(05-18-2014 08:50 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 07:53 PM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  Oh, I'm sorry. You not here to disagree, just to argue semantics.

Sounds like you just don't like people disagreeing with your opinion, then. Not sure whether or not you're deliberately backpeddling or just doing it subconsciously.

Quote:What is my definition of a lot? I'll go with the dictionary which says: a large number.
In a country of 130million with a great male to female ratio a lot/large number of females will sleep with you just for being Western. The individual can decide if a large number is significant or not for them.

Less than 1% of Japan's population is Christian. In a country of 130 million, that still means about 1.3 million people. Technically, I could play with words as you did to come up with the statement "a lot Japanese are Christians," which, while technically true (depending of course on your arbitrary understanding of "a lot") is completely misleading.

If I were to say "a lot of Japanese are Christians" and someone called me out for that statement, saying less than a percent of the population followed Christianity, imagine if I started backpeddling, saying "Oh, but but but but, I never said 'a LOT' meant the majority!...Y-you're just putting words in my mouth!"

In a country with 130 million, any tiny and insignificant minority can be arbitrarily made out to mean "a lot".
Without context, "a lot" is meaningless. In proportion, meaning the context of 130 million people, no..."a lot" of Japanese women are not necessarily going sleep with you just for being a Westerner.

Sounds more like you're the one playing with words.

Dude your done. I told you we are just going to have to agree to disagree. Too me a lot is a large number. You don't need context you don't need proportions. Unless your trying to complicate things to prove a point. A lot is a large number as simple as that. Next time if you don't understand what someone means or you think they are implying something that you don't agree with just ask them to clarify. Instead of just saying no your wrong when you don't even understand where they are coming from. You'll come off looking a lot better that way.

Post: #37

(05-19-2014 08:09 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  Dude your done.

I think I'll be the one to decide that. If you don't want to continue this discussion, you're free to leave it anytime you choose.

Quote:I told you we are just going to have to agree to disagree. Too me a lot is a large number. You don't need context you don't need proportions. Unless your trying to complicate things to prove a point. A lot is a large number as simple as that. Next time if you don't understand what someone means or you think they are implying something that you don't agree with just ask them to clarify. Instead of just saying no your wrong when you don't even understand where they are coming from. You'll come off looking a lot better that way.

Saying "a lot is a large number" is just rewording, not a definition or clarification, and I disagreed with your statement regardless of which of the two phrases you used. What exactly is "a large number", then? A million people is "a large number" in a country with 2 million inhabitants, but tiny in a country of one billion. If you simply want to "agree to disagree" then why are you bothering to comment in the first place?

Post: #38

(05-19-2014 09:26 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 08:09 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  Dude your done.

I think I'll be the one to decide that. If you don't want to continue this discussion, you're free to leave it anytime you choose.

Quote:I told you we are just going to have to agree to disagree. Too me a lot is a large number. You don't need context you don't need proportions. Unless your trying to complicate things to prove a point. A lot is a large number as simple as that. Next time if you don't understand what someone means or you think they are implying something that you don't agree with just ask them to clarify. Instead of just saying no your wrong when you don't even understand where they are coming from. You'll come off looking a lot better that way.

Saying "a lot is a large number" is just rewording, not a definition or clarification, and I disagreed with your statement regardless of which of the two phrases you used. What exactly is "a large number", then? A million people is "a large number" in a country with 2 million inhabitants, but tiny in a country of one billion. If you simply want to "agree to disagree" then why are you bothering to comment in the first place?

It seems that Wong Fei Hung has a problem engaging in a meaningful dialogue without engaging in insulting and accusatory behavior. He seems to think that he can just bully his way through the matter by arguing about his original ambiguous position while accusing others of arguing.

Probably, since WFH is new here, he should go to the newbie section and practice up on his posting interactions, and get used to talking with guys. Maybe he could work on some easy and non-controversial posts, first, and attempt to NOT make his posts controversial by being too adamant? Or, possibly, he could read through several RVF threads in order to get a better understanding about RVF culture, rather than assuming that he knows everything or that only his views matter?

By the way, I came to this thread b/c in the last days, I have been attempting to deal with the flakiness of a Japanese girl that I met in a salsa dance club in Los Angeles on Saturday night. I do meet quite a few Japanese girls who dance salsa in the Los Angeles area, and this particular girl is on a short trip from Japan, so I thought that she has more of the Japanese sensibilities, even though she seems to travel for her work on a fairly regular basis. I would say she is early 30s, but I did NOT ask.

To me, it seemed that she and I were getting along quite well with our dancing, b/c NOT only did she want to continue to dance with me, she continued to want to talk with me between songs, which sometimes can be awkward in salsa clubs when there a lot of guys asking her to dance. As we continued to get to know each other, we made plans to go out again on Sunday (well, we were going to meet up for activities - like maybe the beach and then dancing again), and then poof... so it seems b/c she did NOT call me (as planned), and I did NOT have any way to contact her. Anyhow, I was attempting to make my logistical plans and to create some caveman opportunities (which may have come and gone on Saturday night).

I am NOT going to bother to post additional details about this situation unless she gets back in contact with me, which seems unlikely at this point, unless I run into her dancing again, which also seems unlikely within the next week or so.

Post: #39

It seems that Wong Fei Hung has a problem engaging in a meaningful dialogue without engaging in insulting and accusatory behavior. He seems to think that he can just bully his way through the matter by arguing about his original ambiguous position while accusing others of arguing.

Probably, since WFH is new here, he should go to the newbie section and practice up on his posting interactions, and get used to talking with guys. Maybe he could work on some easy and non-controversial posts, first, and attempt to NOT make his posts controversial by being too adamant? Or, possibly, he could read through several RVF threads in order to get a better understanding about RVF culture, rather than assuming that he knows everything or that only his views matter?

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You sure make are making a lot of condescending assumptions about me while telling me I shouldn't assume I know everything. Which I in no way implied. Like Sargon did in his original post to me you just say I'm wrong without any examples or adding anything to the original conversation. I could assume your chiding me simply for the fact that I'm newer to the forum than Sargon. Hence the condescending post.

(05-14-2014 10:40 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:09 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  However a lot of girls have an absurdly high image of Westerners and sometimes that alone is all you need.

Em...no they don't, and no it isn't. Trust me.

A lot of Japanese girls want to look like Westerners, but that doesn't mean most want to fuck Westerners.

I don't care if you disagree with me, but if you tell me I'm wrong while your misquoting me I'm going to call you out on it.

Me and Sargon are done, and we didn't reach an agreement it's ok. People will read our posts, and some will agree with Sargon and some will agree with me.

If you really care about me as a new member and you don't think my debate style will fly here. If you sincerely want to help me. I would prefer you send me a private message instead of interrupting a conversation I'm having with someone else.

Post: #40

(05-20-2014 01:30 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  You sure make are making a lot of condescending assumptions about me while telling me I shouldn't assume I know everything. Which I in no way implied.

It seems that you brought upon your own drama by sticking to your guns about your original assertion(s). You need NOT read my post as condescending, merely that I suggest that you practice posting in the newbie section. I believe my suggestion is similar to what is suggested in the RVF newbie information materials... which you may want to consider reading.

(05-20-2014 01:30 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  Like Sargon did in his original post to me you just say I'm wrong without any examples or adding anything to the original conversation.

Sargon provided plenty of clear and unambiguous examples, so it did NOT seem necessary for me to elaborate further on his examples. He even negated part of the arguments between the two of you by merely stating that he disagreed whether you use the term "a lot" or "many", but instead of letting the matter be, you continued to dig yourself into further argument(s) with him and to look sillier with your additional attempts to argue - and Sargon was being more than polite to you.

(05-20-2014 01:30 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  I could assume your chiding me simply for the fact that I'm newer to the forum than Sargon. Hence the condescending post.

You could assume that I am chiding you, but to me it seems that you would be wrong.

More or less I have been dropping hints for you to NOT be so argumentative with others here, and suggesting that maybe you should go to the newbie section and practice posting, and also to familiarize yourself with RVF culture. What is condescending about that? You are a new member, no? Or did you have another account, here?

Instead heeding my suggestion(s), you seem to want to insist on pursuing various insignificant argument(s) over trivial matters... or at least some of these matters could be characterized as different observations in which guys here differ and have the right to have and to express differing opinions.

In fact, some of my experiences with japanese girls in california seems to coincide with Sargon's interpretation that only the exceptional Japanese girl would seek out westerners, and they seem to be even more self-conscious of these matters when around other Japanese or even around other asians. In my many experiences with Japanese girls in the USA, they frequently seem to be preoccupied with what other people think. I understand that there can be differences when in Japan - and I cannot really comment based on what happens in Japan except to attempt to understand whether some of the descriptions make sense in light of some of my experiences.

(05-20-2014 01:30 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  Me and Sargon are done,

You are just being arrogant and inflammatory when you use this kind of language that appears that you are attempting to control the communications of other guys on this forum.

(05-20-2014 01:30 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  If you really care about me as a new member and you don't think my debate style will fly here. If you sincerely want to help me.
I would prefer you send me a private message instead of interrupting a conversation I'm having with someone else.

There is NOTHING wrong with private messages, and PMs can be a good tool to attempt to resolve any personal conflicts - however, these recent posts in this thread do NOT appear to be that personal.... NOT yet, anyhow. Accordingly, it does NOT seem necessary for any guy here to begin a PM with you, and surely, you could attempt your own PM, if you believe such is warranted.

You made various posts and assertions in this public thread, and there were attempts to respond to your assertions, and those attempts were courteous and even attempts to help you to clarify. Nonetheless, you seemed inclined to dig yourself in further and further and to argue with anyone who may disagree with you rather than to let matters be, and here in this thread, after you created drama, it seems that you feel entitled to having your hand held and expressing that you believe guys here should help you, which sounds like another reason that it could be fruitful for you to take your communications to the newbie threads b/c you seem to be having trouble distinguishing and understanding that you were the one who raised some of these matters in this public thread.

It seems that at this point the best you could do would be to lay low and to let matters pass; however, you seem incapable or unwilling of such.

Post: #41

(05-20-2014 02:31 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 01:30 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  You sure make are making a lot of condescending assumptions about me while telling me I shouldn't assume I know everything. Which I in no way implied.

It seems that you brought upon your own drama by sticking to your guns about your original assertion(s). You need NOT read my post as condescending, merely that I suggest that you practice posting in the newbie section. I believe my suggestion is similar to what is suggested in the RVF newbie information materials... which you may want to consider reading.

(05-20-2014 01:30 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  Like Sargon did in his original post to me you just say I'm wrong without any examples or adding anything to the original conversation.

Sargon provided plenty of clear and unambiguous examples, so it did NOT seem necessary for me to elaborate further on his examples. He even negated part of the arguments between the two of you by merely stating that he disagreed whether you use the term "a lot" or "many", but instead of letting the matter be, you continued to dig yourself into further argument(s) with him and to look sillier with your additional attempts to argue - and Sargon was being more than polite to you.

(05-20-2014 01:30 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  I could assume your chiding me simply for the fact that I'm newer to the forum than Sargon. Hence the condescending post.

You could assume that I am chiding you, but to me it seems that you would be wrong.

More or less I have been dropping hints for you to NOT be so argumentative with others here, and suggesting that maybe you should go to the newbie section and practice posting, and also to familiarize yourself with RVF culture. What is condescending about that? You are a new member, no? Or did you have another account, here?

Instead heeding my suggestion(s), you seem to want to insist on pursuing various insignificant argument(s) over trivial matters... or at least some of these matters could be characterized as different observations in which guys here differ and have the right to have and to express differing opinions.

In fact, some of my experiences with japanese girls in california seems to coincide with Sargon's interpretation that only the exceptional Japanese girl would seek out westerners, and they seem to be even more self-conscious of these matters when around other Japanese or even around other asians. In my many experiences with Japanese girls in the USA, they frequently seem to be preoccupied with what other people think. I understand that there can be differences when in Japan - and I cannot really comment based on what happens in Japan except to attempt to understand whether some of the descriptions make sense in light of some of my experiences.

(05-20-2014 01:30 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  Me and Sargon are done,

You are just being arrogant and inflammatory when you use this kind of language that appears that you are attempting to control the communications of other guys on this forum.

(05-20-2014 01:30 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  If you really care about me as a new member and you don't think my debate style will fly here. If you sincerely want to help me.
I would prefer you send me a private message instead of interrupting a conversation I'm having with someone else.

There is NOTHING wrong with private messages, and PMs can be a good tool to attempt to resolve any personal conflicts - however, these recent posts in this thread do NOT appear to be that personal.... NOT yet, anyhow. Accordingly, it does NOT seem necessary for any guy here to begin a PM with you, and surely, you could attempt your own PM, if you believe such is warranted.

You made various posts and assertions in this public thread, and there were attempts to respond to your assertions, and those attempts were courteous and even attempts to help you to clarify. Nonetheless, you seemed inclined to dig yourself in further and further and to argue with anyone who may disagree with you rather than to let matters be, and here in this thread, after you created drama, it seems that you feel entitled to having your hand held and expressing that you believe guys here should help you, which sounds like another reason that it could be fruitful for you to take your communications to the newbie threads b/c you seem to be having trouble distinguishing and understanding that you were the one who raised some of these matters in this public thread.

It seems that at this point the best you could do would be to lay low and to let matters pass; however, you seem incapable or unwilling of such.

Good so we are in agreement. You are done we are done. It's done.

Post: #42

(05-20-2014 03:00 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  Good so we are in agreement. You are done we are done. It's done.

You comes across as very arrogant and obnoxious when you say things like "you're done" or "it's done".

If you don't want to continue talking about something, it would be better just to say something like "I don't want to continue this conversation any further".

Anyway, I can vouch for what Sargon has said. In general, Japanese girls want to stick with Japanese guys.

Are there some Japanese girls who actively look for foreigners? Sure. However, they are far and few in between.

Saying that "a lot" of Japanese girls are looking for foreign men is very misleading.

Post: #43

(05-20-2014 03:00 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 02:31 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 01:30 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  You sure make are making a lot of condescending assumptions about me while telling me I shouldn't assume I know everything. Which I in no way implied.

It seems that you brought upon your own drama by sticking to your guns about your original assertion(s). You need NOT read my post as condescending, merely that I suggest that you practice posting in the newbie section. I believe my suggestion is similar to what is suggested in the RVF newbie information materials... which you may want to consider reading.

(05-20-2014 01:30 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  Like Sargon did in his original post to me you just say I'm wrong without any examples or adding anything to the original conversation.

Sargon provided plenty of clear and unambiguous examples, so it did NOT seem necessary for me to elaborate further on his examples. He even negated part of the arguments between the two of you by merely stating that he disagreed whether you use the term "a lot" or "many", but instead of letting the matter be, you continued to dig yourself into further argument(s) with him and to look sillier with your additional attempts to argue - and Sargon was being more than polite to you.

(05-20-2014 01:30 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  I could assume your chiding me simply for the fact that I'm newer to the forum than Sargon. Hence the condescending post.

You could assume that I am chiding you, but to me it seems that you would be wrong.

More or less I have been dropping hints for you to NOT be so argumentative with others here, and suggesting that maybe you should go to the newbie section and practice posting, and also to familiarize yourself with RVF culture. What is condescending about that? You are a new member, no? Or did you have another account, here?

Instead heeding my suggestion(s), you seem to want to insist on pursuing various insignificant argument(s) over trivial matters... or at least some of these matters could be characterized as different observations in which guys here differ and have the right to have and to express differing opinions.

In fact, some of my experiences with japanese girls in california seems to coincide with Sargon's interpretation that only the exceptional Japanese girl would seek out westerners, and they seem to be even more self-conscious of these matters when around other Japanese or even around other asians. In my many experiences with Japanese girls in the USA, they frequently seem to be preoccupied with what other people think. I understand that there can be differences when in Japan - and I cannot really comment based on what happens in Japan except to attempt to understand whether some of the descriptions make sense in light of some of my experiences.

(05-20-2014 01:30 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  Me and Sargon are done,

You are just being arrogant and inflammatory when you use this kind of language that appears that you are attempting to control the communications of other guys on this forum.

(05-20-2014 01:30 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  If you really care about me as a new member and you don't think my debate style will fly here. If you sincerely want to help me.
I would prefer you send me a private message instead of interrupting a conversation I'm having with someone else.

There is NOTHING wrong with private messages, and PMs can be a good tool to attempt to resolve any personal conflicts - however, these recent posts in this thread do NOT appear to be that personal.... NOT yet, anyhow. Accordingly, it does NOT seem necessary for any guy here to begin a PM with you, and surely, you could attempt your own PM, if you believe such is warranted.

You made various posts and assertions in this public thread, and there were attempts to respond to your assertions, and those attempts were courteous and even attempts to help you to clarify. Nonetheless, you seemed inclined to dig yourself in further and further and to argue with anyone who may disagree with you rather than to let matters be, and here in this thread, after you created drama, it seems that you feel entitled to having your hand held and expressing that you believe guys here should help you, which sounds like another reason that it could be fruitful for you to take your communications to the newbie threads b/c you seem to be having trouble distinguishing and understanding that you were the one who raised some of these matters in this public thread.

It seems that at this point the best you could do would be to lay low and to let matters pass; however, you seem incapable or unwilling of such.

Good so we are in agreement. You are done we are done. It's done.

Your response does NOT seem like an agreement to me, unless you are saying that you agree with everything that I said, and maybe you agree with Sargon as well? Your previous responses seem to indicate otherwise; however, if you are saying that you agree with us, then that is fine with me. or if you would like to describe your agreement more specifically, that could be helpful.

Regarding your added idea about "we" being "done," I never said anything about being "done" b/c this is a public thread, and I certainly have little influence on such and any RVF member may want to chime in, which could happen a minute from now or it could happen 5 years from now (if this thread is still "open?") or it may NOT happen.

I would think that if you were to make some kind of substantial and meaningful agreement statement or reply, then maybe the subject would be closed b/c no one would care about it.

Post: #44

(05-20-2014 03:39 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 03:00 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 02:31 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 01:30 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  You sure make are making a lot of condescending assumptions about me while telling me I shouldn't assume I know everything. Which I in no way implied.

It seems that you brought upon your own drama by sticking to your guns about your original assertion(s). You need NOT read my post as condescending, merely that I suggest that you practice posting in the newbie section. I believe my suggestion is similar to what is suggested in the RVF newbie information materials... which you may want to consider reading.

(05-20-2014 01:30 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  Like Sargon did in his original post to me you just say I'm wrong without any examples or adding anything to the original conversation.

Sargon provided plenty of clear and unambiguous examples, so it did NOT seem necessary for me to elaborate further on his examples. He even negated part of the arguments between the two of you by merely stating that he disagreed whether you use the term "a lot" or "many", but instead of letting the matter be, you continued to dig yourself into further argument(s) with him and to look sillier with your additional attempts to argue - and Sargon was being more than polite to you.

(05-20-2014 01:30 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  I could assume your chiding me simply for the fact that I'm newer to the forum than Sargon. Hence the condescending post.

You could assume that I am chiding you, but to me it seems that you would be wrong.

More or less I have been dropping hints for you to NOT be so argumentative with others here, and suggesting that maybe you should go to the newbie section and practice posting, and also to familiarize yourself with RVF culture. What is condescending about that? You are a new member, no? Or did you have another account, here?

Instead heeding my suggestion(s), you seem to want to insist on pursuing various insignificant argument(s) over trivial matters... or at least some of these matters could be characterized as different observations in which guys here differ and have the right to have and to express differing opinions.

In fact, some of my experiences with japanese girls in california seems to coincide with Sargon's interpretation that only the exceptional Japanese girl would seek out westerners, and they seem to be even more self-conscious of these matters when around other Japanese or even around other asians. In my many experiences with Japanese girls in the USA, they frequently seem to be preoccupied with what other people think. I understand that there can be differences when in Japan - and I cannot really comment based on what happens in Japan except to attempt to understand whether some of the descriptions make sense in light of some of my experiences.

(05-20-2014 01:30 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  Me and Sargon are done,

You are just being arrogant and inflammatory when you use this kind of language that appears that you are attempting to control the communications of other guys on this forum.

(05-20-2014 01:30 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  If you really care about me as a new member and you don't think my debate style will fly here. If you sincerely want to help me.
I would prefer you send me a private message instead of interrupting a conversation I'm having with someone else.

There is NOTHING wrong with private messages, and PMs can be a good tool to attempt to resolve any personal conflicts - however, these recent posts in this thread do NOT appear to be that personal.... NOT yet, anyhow. Accordingly, it does NOT seem necessary for any guy here to begin a PM with you, and surely, you could attempt your own PM, if you believe such is warranted.

You made various posts and assertions in this public thread, and there were attempts to respond to your assertions, and those attempts were courteous and even attempts to help you to clarify. Nonetheless, you seemed inclined to dig yourself in further and further and to argue with anyone who may disagree with you rather than to let matters be, and here in this thread, after you created drama, it seems that you feel entitled to having your hand held and expressing that you believe guys here should help you, which sounds like another reason that it could be fruitful for you to take your communications to the newbie threads b/c you seem to be having trouble distinguishing and understanding that you were the one who raised some of these matters in this public thread.

It seems that at this point the best you could do would be to lay low and to let matters pass; however, you seem incapable or unwilling of such.

Good so we are in agreement. You are done we are done. It's done.

Your response does NOT seem like an agreement to me, unless you are saying that you agree with everything that I said, and maybe you agree with Sargon as well? Your previous responses seem to indicate otherwise; however, if you are saying that you agree with us, then that is fine with me. or if you would like to describe your agreement more specifically, that could be helpful.

Regarding your added idea about "we" being "done," I never said anything about being "done" b/c this is a public thread, and I certainly have little influence on such and any RVF member may want to chime in, which could happen a minute from now or it could happen 5 years from now (if this thread is still "open?") or it may NOT happen.

I would think that if you were to make some kind of substantial and meaningful agreement statement or reply, then maybe the subject would be closed b/c no one would care about it.

It seems that at this point the best you could do would be to lay low and to let matters pass; let's see if you can take your own advice.

Post: #45

(05-20-2014 03:29 AM)Biologist Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 03:00 AM)Wong Fei Hung Wrote:  Good so we are in agreement. You are done we are done. It's done.

Anyway, I can vouch for what Sargon has said. In general, Japanese girls want to stick with Japanese guys.

Are there some Japanese girls who actively look for foreigners? Sure. However, they are far and few in between.

Saying that "a lot" of Japanese girls are looking for foreign men is very misleading.

Well said.

To elaborate a bit more on the analogy I brought up earlier: imagine if a devout Catholic or Protestant from a Western country comes to Japan and joins a local Japanese congregation, socializing only with members of his Japanese Church in his free time. All of the friends he makes in Japan are Japanese Christians. They constitute nearly everyone he knows here. Imagine if, then, he went back to his home country, telling others how so many of the Japanese are devout Protestants, even though 99% of Japanese either have no religion at all or they practice Shinto-Buddhism. I think this is very much like the Gaijin who frequent Hubs and other foreigner hangouts where that minority of foreigner-lovers congregates. They go back saying how all the J-Girls looooove them some White/Black dick, even though the girls they're referring to only represent the tiny fraction of Japanese women they were exposed to.

Post: #46

And hot girls do NOT study English in Japan. I've taught at English schools, and 7-8s are rare to nonexistent. English language and being interested romantically in foreigners is a niche for average to below average girls who need to find a niche.

Post: #47

(05-20-2014 08:55 AM)RawGod Wrote:  And hot girls do NOT study English in Japan. I've taught at English schools, and 7-8s are rare to nonexistent. English language and being interested romantically in foreigners is a niche for average to below average girls who need to find a niche.

Usually that's the case, but there are exceptions. There are quite a few hot-looking female English majors at the Kansai Gaidai.

Post: #48

(05-20-2014 09:14 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 08:55 AM)RawGod Wrote:  And hot girls do NOT study English in Japan. I've taught at English schools, and 7-8s are rare to nonexistent. English language and being interested romantically in foreigners is a niche for average to below average girls who need to find a niche.

Usually that's the case, but there are exceptions. There are quite a few hot-looking female English majors at the Kansai Gaidai.

Yeah I agree. Kansai Gaidai has a lot of hot girls. Also flight attendants usually study English and on average are pretty attractive.