Post: #1

http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-be-a-good-clown

This is exactly how I feel. What I have been reduced to: Bozo.

Post: #2

It takes a large amount of effort to change the social dynamics of game so you no longer have to act like some dancing monkey or feel like one. A good act will get you laid, especially once you've perfected it but something about it just doesn't feel right. There's something about it that feels unsustainable. All the energy in a given interaction is on YOU. Lately I've been thinking about structuring approach differently, getting girls to begin any interaction within ones domain, filtering out the time wasters at a very refined level, controlling communication via phone on ones terms. In a way it's like taking game and putting it out in the environment, the circumstances around her are what guide her to the outcome one wants, she can also eliminate herself and it has nothing to do with you, assuming you actually have value that is(money, good looks, location independent, game). There's much more to this but it's going to take some time to develop this idea I have a bit further.

I wouldn't say you or I have been reduced to the level of clown, I would say we did it to ourselves. Time for a change eh?

Post: #3

I have basically broken it down to four types: entertainer, movie star, pretty boy, and provider. Of course, a woman, will want a guy that is ALL of those but given her primary objective she will settle for a guy that is one of them. The only guys I see that don't have to do a lot of work are the pretty boys and movie stars. A movie star being a guy with some sort of fame, be it local or national. The ones that really have it good are the pretty boys.

If a woman is looking to get married, have kids, or serious long-term relationship she will be looking mostly for a provider. Otherwise, she will be looking for one of the other types. All types of Game are some form of entertainment for the girl, including the pretty boy and movie star.

Post: #4

I guess we can redefine naturals as guys who don't feel like they are putting on an act for the girls. They are successful with women just because that's who they are.

Whereas the redpill player, the guy who actually has to wake up to the reality of the game might not feel that he is one with the player archetype. Maybe he will eventually merge with it overtime.

Post: #5

Even naturals have to work harder at it these days They make like what they do but they are not exempt from the price hikes of the marketplace.

Post: #6

(05-06-2014 09:42 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  I have basically broken it down to four types: entertainer, movie star, pretty boy, and provider.

The bad boy is a fifth type worth mentioning. Bad boys are men who attract women by offer one or more types of excitement bait such as drugs, fast cars or motorcycles, extreme dominance or extreme body modification.

Post: #7

(05-06-2014 09:52 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Even naturals have to work harder at it these days They make like what they do but they are not exempt from the price hikes of the marketplace.

I defining a natural as a guy who does not feel these "price hikes".

Post: #8

(05-06-2014 06:23 AM)Jackreacher Wrote:  A good act will get you laid, especially once you've perfected it but something about it just doesn't feel right. There's something about it that feels unsustainable. All the energy in a given interaction is on YOU.

I agree, and I see this tendency as contributing to the increase in what I like to call "emotional obesity". Emotional obesity, while not visible to the naked eye, shows in other but equally obvious ways in a woman's attitudes and behaviors and is just as much of a boner killer as physical obesity is.

Post: #9

I don't know of anyone including all the "naturals" I have met who likes to work anymore than they have to. And yes, even the naturals I have known, knew it was work. They would often comment that some girl would take a bit of work.

@WD-40 I like that phase: emotional obesity. You should write a post about it.

Post: #10

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Post: #11

(05-06-2014 10:23 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  I don't know of anyone including all the "naturals" I have met who likes to work anymore than they have to. And yes, even the naturals I have known, knew it was work. They would often comment that some girl would take a bit of work.

@WD-40 I like that phase: emotional obesity. You should write a post about it.

I'm not defining a natural as someone was "born" a player.

I'm defining it as someone whose life is pretty much 100% congruent with their game. A guy like McQueen would fit this definition, or a rockstar, etc.

It's someone who thrives in the game.. they are not antagonized by it.

Post: #12

Don't most men say they enjoy the chase? They say that if she is too easy, it's no fun. So what's the complaint about it being too hard? What if it's too easy?

And is the epidemic the case with ALL of America?

Post: #13

(05-06-2014 10:31 AM)Moma Wrote:  And is the epidemic the case with ALL of America?

I would generalize even further and say that it afflicts the Anglosphere as a whole, as well as most parts of Western Europe. Localized outbreaks of the epidemic will probably be found to some extent in any alpha world city.

Post: #14

As with everything in life, it's all about balance America is completely out of balance these days. As some guy said, when you have fatties making outrageous demands on these dating sites then you know the shit is f**k up.

Post: #15

(05-06-2014 11:11 AM)WD-40 Wrote:  

(05-06-2014 10:31 AM)Moma Wrote:  And is the epidemic the case with ALL of America?

I would generalize even further and say that it afflicts the Anglosphere as a whole, as well as most parts of Western Europe. Localized outbreaks of the epidemic will probably be found to some extent in any alpha world city.

Yea but there are members on this forum that live in America that eat regularly and don't make these complaints...so isn't it location specific?

Post: #16

Oh sure there are, I know a guy in Miami, that looks like Vin Diesel that complains his plate is too full He can't eat quickly enough. Then they are guys that are putting in a lot of work who also eat regularly though not of the best quality food.

Post: #17

(05-06-2014 11:16 AM)Moma Wrote:  Yea but there are members on this forum that live in America that eat regularly and don't make these complaints...so isn't it location specific?

These are the 1%'ers, basically - the winners in the winner-takes-all game of the SMP.

Basically these days in the SMP it's the bagger who works like a dog so he can eat his super saver munchie meal at Jack-In-The-Box twice a week, and the private equity dude with a NetJets share who drops $500 for sushi at Nobu whenever he feels like without even thinking about it - there's not a lot in between.

Post: #18

(05-06-2014 11:17 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Oh sure there are, I know a guy in Miami, that looks like Vin Diesel that complains his plate is too full He can't eat quickly enough.

Miami is NOT a representative of America and very far off in terms of mentality and feel. Never fair to use hyper cities to judge a country. That's why I want to know if other Americans are struggling like this in order to see if the pattern is truly widespread.
I want some chime ins from miserable guys all over America..Louisana..Chicago, St Louis, Detroit.

Also, preferences have to differ in these sheets. Most cats on this forum are infatuated with the pursuit of middle class white lizards. If the white lizards are difficult in a particular region, it doesn't mean that the same brush sweeps the other racial/cultural groups.

Post: #19

(05-06-2014 11:22 AM)WD-40 Wrote:  

(05-06-2014 11:16 AM)Moma Wrote:  Yea but there are members on this forum that live in America that eat regularly and don't make these complaints...so isn't it location specific?

These are the 1%'ers, basically - the winners in the winner-takes-all game of the SMP.

Basically these days in the SMP it's the bagger who works like a dog so he can eat his super saver munchie meal at Jack-In-The-Box twice a week, and the private equity dude with a NetJets share who drops $500 for sushi at Nobu whenever he feels like without even thinking about it - there's not a lot in between.

I do see that the marriage laws in America are dangerous. But for the serial daters, is it truly on the top percentage that eat?

Post: #20

Fame game and pretty boys game are eating well, regardless of location in this country. Everyone else is working hard for their food. Personally, I find myself working harder each year for less and lower quality food.

Post: #21

(05-06-2014 11:37 AM)Moma Wrote:  I do see that the marriage laws in America are dangerous. But for the serial daters, is it truly on the top percentage that eat?

I think there's generally a pretty sharp cutoff line between feast and famine and that you're either fall on side or on the other.

That said, I can't speak for all of the US. Really, the only part of the US that I've spent enough time in to be able to say anything is metro ATL. Almost everybody in my crowd there was in a stable LTR with an 8+ and the one guy that wasn't was cleaning up big time. I did not date there but like to imagine that if I had, although it would have been quite a bit of work, I would have gotten better results than in most other places I have lived in.

Post: #22

(05-06-2014 11:52 AM)WD-40 Wrote:  

(05-06-2014 11:37 AM)Moma Wrote:  I do see that the marriage laws in America are dangerous. But for the serial daters, is it truly on the top percentage that eat?

I think there's generally a pretty sharp cutoff line between feast and famine and that you're either fall on side or on the other.

That said, I can't speak for all of the US. Really, the only part of the US that I've spent enough time in to be able to say anything is metro ATL. Almost everybody in my crowd there was in a stable LTR with an 8+ and the one guy that wasn't was cleaning up big time. I did not date there but like to imagine that if I had, although it would have been quite a bit of work, I would have gotten better results than in most other places I have lived in.

I see this very similar to the concept of getting jobs. In some places, you put your resume out and you can land a job in four days. In other places, you can't land anything substantial for months and you hold on to a perm role desperately cos the market sucks. Different pools of economies in the country, different pools of vaginal economies.

If you notice, certain cities have a large amount of 'PUA' guys and others have zilch. That's no accident.

Post: #23

Of course location is always a factor. That's why guys go to other countries and yes some parts of the US are going to be better than others. It also depends on which kind of women are into you. If you are a white, decent looking guy you can do well in Miami because Latin girls prefer white guys. If you are non-white then you would probably do better in a location with less Latins.

Post: #24

I think you'll have less cognitive dissonance if you recognize where you are on the spectrum of game.

If you are constantly thirsty, then don't expect to eat well. If you can barely get laid, you aren't going to be scoring with hot girls.

Post: #25

(05-06-2014 12:11 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Of course location is always a factor. That's why guys go to other countries and yes some parts of the US are going to be better than others. It also depends on which kind of women are into you. If you are a white, decent looking guy you can do well in Miami because Latin girls prefer white guys. If you are non-white then you would probably do better in a location with less Latins.

This is why I say that it's a bit of a sweeping statement to just assume everyone is experiencing lizard starvation.

It depends on location and preference. I might be in Denver and miserable because all the white lizards love me but I struggle with the black ones.

That's why I wanted to pose the question regarding whether America is truly going under for the serial dater.

Capeesh?