Post: #26

(05-06-2014 12:06 PM)Moma Wrote:  I see this very similar to the concept of getting jobs. In some places, you put your resume out and you can land a job in four days. In other places, you can't land anything substantial for months and you hold on to a perm role desperately cos the market sucks. Different pools of economies in the country, different pools of vaginal economies.

It's basically like anything else in life. If you want something, you just have to go to wherever it is, you can't sit there and complain.

If you want a particular kind of education you have to go to wherever it is that offers that education, if you want a particular kind of job, then you have to go to where that job is, if you want a particular kind of lifestyle then you have to to where that is.

And if you want a particular kind of woman you have to go to where you can find women like her- wherever in the world that may happen to be.

Speaking for myself, I got my education in Europe, work mostly out of the US, settled in Latin America for quality of life reasons and if it turns out that I have to look for women in yet another part of the world, then that's just how it is.

The alternative is to just sit around and whine that you are being really nice to the girl next door and she's not being nice back. But it doesn't matter, because that's just not where the nice girl is. The nice girl is in Novosibirsk or Pnom Penh or Cali or Beograd...

Post: #27

WD-40, exactly my point. Many of us travelled and uprooted for better opportunities. Some travelled first and then when established, brought their families over and others travelled and then built up their families from their community.

We are not always placed in opportune places. You can't always turn a desert into an oasis. We are humans and born with limbs to move to more fertile soil. Lizard acquisition is no different.

This information era allows us greater mobility than before.

Post: #28

Post: #29

(05-06-2014 12:38 PM)Moma Wrote:  We are not always placed in opportune places. You can't always turn a desert into an oasis. We are humans and born with limbs to move to more fertile soil. Lizard acquisition is no different.

I agree and I think it's good to frame that as the proper context for the discussion.

It is sad that so many good men have an unreasonably hard time dating in the US in pretty much the same way that it is sad that so many small starving children in Malawi are running around barefoot with kwashiorkor bellies.

In both cases the starvation is a simple fact and should be reported as such with the brutal honesty that it deserves. But it isn't a personal tragedy or something to be complaining about unless you happen to be directly affected by it. For people who are not directly affected by the situation, talking about it is just a way of explaining, "Look, if you are expecting to find mountains of delicious gourmet food in Malawi then don't go. All you will get there as a tourist is rice and dried beans and rotting vegetables and every time you eat a meal you are taking away an entire family's food for the week. Don't go there, it's too sad."

Cue in a guy with a nasal whiny Louis C.K. complainer voice. "No! Noo! I want a job in Lansing Michigan at the same auto parts factory that my grand daddy worked at in the 1950s. I don't want to have to look elsewhere for a job. I don't care if times have changed. It's just too much of an inconvenience to go elsewhere to find work, it's too much to ask of a guy. And I want to marry the girl next door like my grand daddy did. She should be nice to me all the time and bake me a cake like my grandmother always did for my grand dad and pour me a bourbon when I come home from work. How come the next door girls aren't nice anymore? They should be because that's what I want and if I don't get what I want I'm just going to sit here on my ass and make faces. These girls are the ones who should change to meet my expectations because I'm certainly not going to change just because someone else wants me to."

Post: #30

Nomad needs to leave Miami!

It is literally one of the most difficult cities in America for a man with his "look".

"Looks" are big in Miami. Nomads "look" is a bad fit for that city!

He would do much better in other places!

Post: #31

Giovonny, what do you think of Roosh's perspective that learning game is "becoming a good clown" ?

Post: #32

I think the whole clown thing is backwards.

The women are the clowns that are there for my entertainment, not the other way around. Or they are more like video games.

Post: #33

(05-06-2014 11:17 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Oh sure there are, I know a guy in Miami, that looks like Vin Diesel that complains his plate is too full He can't eat quickly enough. Then they are guys that are putting in a lot of work who also eat regularly though not of the best quality food.

Lots of good posts in this thread and I can relate to this one. I sometimes have weekends where I do a ton of approaches, put in serious work and don't get anything or sometimes low quality. Regardless, each girl I try to talk to I have to bring one of these types: entertainer, pretty boy, bad boy, or provider (guy with bottle service). Even then sometimes I end up empty handed.

Sad to say but Roosh was right on the money with this post. If i'm not that shiny object to hold a girls attention, i'm not getting laid.

whats up ladies

Post: #34

It's my belief that for the "average" guy it's rough out there anywhere in America. If you have a lots of money, looks, or fame you will be rolling in it. If you are willing to learn and invest some serious time with game you can do ok based on how much of the other factors you possess.

Post: #35

(05-06-2014 02:12 PM)Bad-Habit Wrote:  Giovonny, what do you think of Roosh's perspective that learning game is "becoming a good clown" ?

He is basically saying that being chatty, funny, outgoing, entertaining, and unique is an advantage.

I agree with that.

But, I would have used a different analogy. I think Roosh is mostly talking about night game.

With Day Game, I don't have to be as much of a "clown". I can engage a girls emotions in a more quiet way. But, it always helps to be funny and entertaining.

A clown is there to entertain the audience. I am here to entertain myself.

I guess it depends on how you want to look at it.

*****

Also, there is much more to Game than just entertaining the girl.

We also have to get our finances together, learn how to speak properly, learn how to dress, learn social grace, learn how to eat right and exercise, learn body language, educate ourselves on gender dynamics, etc.

It might be true that the more money and power we have, the less "clown-like" we have to be..

This is why I game middle class girls during the day, I can impress them without being too much of a clown.

Not that there is really anything wrong with being a clown, it's always good to have a strong sense of humor.

Post: #36

If you feel that you have to "be" or "do" something other than who you truly are, you are coming from a false paradigm.

Women want to fuck.

This shit is all in your head, think less.

The girls want to be gaming and chasing you.

Work on feeling more comfortable in your own skin, living by your own values and truly enjoying yourself.

Work on being more sexual in your vibe and screening better.

Don't sweat the game.

It's supposed to be fun, or at worst pleasant.

It shouldn't feel draining.

When you learn to get out of your own way and finally accept that you are naturally attractive as a man and that women can and do like you for who you really are, then you'll be better off.

It's up to you to discover who you really are.

You'll have to peel back the layers of social conditioning and mental/emotional bullshit you've accumulated over the years before you get to your core.

In one sentence:

Just let go.

Post: #37

Gio, I am working my ass off to get back to Europe. Thanks

Post: #38

Nomad, you sound like a cool dude. I lived down in Ft. Lauderdale for a while (pre-RVF days). Have you tried gaming there at all. Its more relaxed than Miami I would assume.

Post: #39

(05-07-2014 10:48 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Gio, I am working my ass off to get back to Europe. Thanks

Europe is a better place obviously, but I know your Latin lover look is hugely popular in Australia (highly romanticised and rare).

Post: #40

Ten years ago Ft. Lauderdale use to be so good and it's still much better than Miami but it's a long drive for me. I have met a few Australian girls here in Miami and wasn't very impressed. My cousin actually just got married over there and she wanted me to come for the wedding but it would have been an expensive trip.

I don't want to give the impression I can't get girls. I actually can do pretty well. But I am looking at the difficulty for someone at my level and experience and the quality of girls that Game alone can pull and it just makes me wonder how the average guy is surviving out there. I also have fairly high standards when it comes to women.

That's me in the background, hanging out with Russian girl on South Beach. It's not difficult for me to get girls like her, whatever you think her level is.

Post: #41

So Nomad, basically, you want the acquisition of lizards to be easier? Your story sounds very similar to Torontonian men. They can get lizards but the process was harder and quality was lower (on average.

Nothing you can do about Miami. No whingeing will change anything there. Just aim for tourists, freshies (new from their home country) and out of towners.

Remember the German brunette lizard I was talking to that night? Or the pinays from Montreal who wanted to skinny dip (one got banged in the ocean)?
Or the Jamaican lizard from Philly?

These are niches you MUST target. An average Miami lizard will only respond to a baller or someone who fits that tall white American look (as per quote).

If don't fit that profile but you demand the same fruits as the others who do, you are going to frustrate yourself needlessly.

Post: #42

Yes, the acquisition cost is too high AND there is little residual value. Ten years ago if you made out with a girl you can be pretty damn sure she would return your call or text or you would be seeing her again, not anymore. And if you had sex with a girl you were most certainly seeing her again. Now, because girls view a make out and sex as having almost no meaning their investment in the interaction is minimal so they don't care. Before you did the hard work to get the sex so things would be easier after. Ten years ago girls were a lot less flaky after a make out or sex - not anymore. Now, the only way things seem to get easier is if the get finds you very attractive for some reason. My good looking friends in Miami don't have do any work, they just walk around and literally get picked up by girls. I on the other hand has to be damn good clown practically every night I go out.

Post: #43

(05-08-2014 12:05 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  But I am looking at the difficulty for someone at my level and experience and the quality of girls that Game alone can pull and it just makes me wonder how the average guy is surviving out there.

To cut a long story short, we aren't. Nowadays we can basically only pull the fatties, the hags, the nags and the nutcases. Take your pick. If she's better than average looking chances are she's either a termagant or just plain batshit.

Post: #44

Looks and money will matter more and more as technology and science improve so you can pay large amounts of money for flawless plastic surgery and genetic enhancements.

50 years from now people will look back at photos of society as all ugly fucks full of gentic disorder.

This arms race of self improvement is starting to go ballistic.

Post: #45

(05-06-2014 01:51 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Nomad needs to leave Miami!

It is literally one of the most difficult cities in America for a man with his "look".

"Looks" are big in Miami. Nomads "look" is a bad fit for that city!

He would do much better in other places!

I honestly doubt that has much to do with it. There are plenty of "no habla ingés" girls in Miami who aren't that hard as long as you aren't some old Cuban dude with a beer gut who gets paid $12/hour to fix cars.

The American girls here are total pieces of shit like in any other major American city, but I've been fucking non-American pussy here (exclusively) for awhile now. You just have to look around.

Post: #46

(05-06-2014 11:48 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Fame game and pretty boys game are eating well, regardless of location in this country. Everyone else is working hard for their food. Personally, I find myself working harder each year for less and lower quality food.

A friend of mine told me recently that he has to be intoxicated to fuck his fuck buddies, I'm still trying to process that one.

Post: #47

(05-08-2014 11:27 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(05-06-2014 11:48 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Fame game and pretty boys game are eating well, regardless of location in this country. Everyone else is working hard for their food. Personally, I find myself working harder each year for less and lower quality food.

A friend of mine told me recently that he has to be intoxicated to fuck his fuck buddies, I'm still trying to process that one.

I think it's just a consequence of where Americunts are heading. They're all on Adderall and addicted to their iphones. They're like the girl in your 4th grade class that was teasing everyone and threatening to tell the teacher every five minutes. Only problem is, it's that same girl in the body of a bitch that is 20 years older. I don't have the tolerance to put up with those cunts. I would say let them die alone, but most of them have boyfriends who they're fucking around on, so they have a fallback dude who is willing to put up with their bullshit.

Post: #48

Guys, I've got some good news! I've was hanging out with Clint Barton tonight in NYC and I have to say, all in all, the girls were fairly decent. I didn't feel like I had to be a clown. It was like talking to regular girls. I felt like I was being treated like a human being and the girls were making as much effort to carry the conversation as I was. And race didn't matter. NY is a huge improvement over Miami in terms of substance. I definitely like NY better than Miami.

I even picked up this Chinese college student on the train.

Post: #49

(05-09-2014 01:51 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Guys, I've got some good news! I've was hanging out with Clint Barton tonight in NYC and I have to say, all in all, the girls were fairly decent. I didn't feel like I had to be a clown. It was like talking to regular girls. I felt like I was being treated like a human being and the girls were making as much effort to carry the conversation as I was. And race didn't matter. NY is a huge improvement over Miami in terms of substance. I definitely like NY better than Miami.

I even picked up this Chinese college student on the train.

I'm from Miami, lived there most of my life. I'll never return there unless its an emergency.

Post: #50

Damn, someone that dislikes Miami more than me.