Post: #1

When I walk into a bar or club girls don't turn around to check me out.

I am not very tall or particularly good looking.

I am not built like a Super hero or Olympic athlete but neither am I fat or out of shape.

I can approach and talk to girls. I can get numbers. But I also have to deal with a high flake rate. I have decent/some game but I am not a master or even very good at it.

While I would like to be a Roosh or Krauser deep down inside I know I will never be willing to put in the work necessary. I just don't have the need and drive to prove myself in that way.

I have a decent job, a decent personality, and consider myself to be a reasonably decent guy and I was told growing up that this would be enough to get a decent girl.

I am decent in bed but I am not a pornstar. I don't particularly enjoy rough sex especially since it would take a lot of strength to rough up these women as they get bigger and bigger.

I am social but don't have high valued social connections. I am not going to be getting VIP treatment at the ropes of the top clubs and bars.

I am basically your average guy who wants a relationship with a decent girl and something extra on the side now and then.

Who am I? I am the 99% of the guys out there.

Post: #2

^ I don't understand the point of this thread?

And some of those statements seem to logically contradict themselves.

Post: #3

The point is that while we glorify the top 1% of our society and the top players on this forum, most of us, will never achieve this lofty goal or position. In fact, most of us, don't even really want to. A reporter once asked Mark Cuban what does it take to become a billionaire? And he said: most people aren't willing to do what it takes to become a millionaire much less a billionaire.

A lot of the focus of both our society and to some degree this forum is on becoming the player equivalent of a billionaire when in reality most guys aren't even willing to put in the work necessary to become a player millionaire.

What don't you find to be logically consistent?

Post: #4

Nomad77, you seem to be going through some sort of existential crisis lately. You've always had a much more cheerful and zen-like approach to the world. I don't mean anything bad by it - it happens to everyone. But you need to get out of this rut. Take your mind off the sexual market for some time, or go make yourself busy with something else. By over-thinking all this, you just end up depressing yourself.

Post: #5

Thanks but actually I am in fairly good mood I just haven't had much time to post stuff lately, been working too much but these are thoughts that have been on the back of my mind for some time. Unfortunately, my cheerful and zen-like approach to life isn't going to make much of a difference to the average guy out there.

Post: #6

(05-05-2014 01:18 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  I am not built like a Super hero or Olympic athlete but neither am I fat or out of shape.

I can approach and talk to girls. I can get numbers. But I also have to deal with a high flake rate. I have decent/some game but I am not a master or even very good at it.

I am decent in bed but I am not a pornstar.

Who am I? I am the 99% of the guys out there.

All those things in bold already make you ABOVE average.

Regarding a contradiction, for example, we could easily say about 60%+ of the male population (at least) is fat or out of shape (whether too skinny, no strength behind their mass, no stamina for sex, etc.)

I don't remember much about your past posts but it sounds like you're selling yourself short.

Especially for a place like Miami where G Man has filmed his National Geographic documentaries about guys being "eaten alive".

Keep in mind Roosh was a late bloomer, and Krauser was married for ____ years I think?

Also you can be a "game millionaire" on your own terms and in your own niche, without feeling like you need to keep up with any other names.

You got the resources here, you'll be fine, and if you want more, you just gotta break it down into manageable chunks.

I.e. status at a club can come from just a few short conversations each week, over a period of a couple months, with the right employees.

I'm not arguing to hate, more so to motivate.

Post: #7

This isn't necessarily a description of me per se although I do match a lot of them. It's a description of what I believe to be the average guy out there or at least a lot of the guys I know. I am not here to help myself. If you read the stuff I write about they all have one agenda: what can be done for the average guy out there. And what their real goals and what realistically do they have to overcome to achieve them. We, as people, tend to assume that everyone is sort of like us. That they like and want the same things but this is really just an assumption. Most guys for example, don't want what I want from women.

Maybe my picture of the average is overly optimistic and in that case then the picture gets even worse because it would mean that the average guy would have to work so much harder. Also, I think by focusing too much on just getting laid we are missing bigger trends that will have a far greater impact on our lives.

Post: #8

(05-05-2014 02:03 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  The point is that while we glorify the top 1% of our society and the top players on this forum, most of us, will never achieve this lofty goal or position. In fact, most of us, don't even really want to.

You will never achieve it if you don't try.

If you try, it will put you over the top in real life. Remember, most forum members are above average in real life. Even if you improve a bit, you will stand out between all the blue pill cubicle jockeys with their oversized suits and bad fashion.

This is coming from a guy who used to fully button up his suit jacket and mismatched shoes/belt. Rio taught me fashion, WC and Nemecine are good with money, many forum members are well traveled. Just following their advice will make Average Joe 4.5 into a Cool Joe 6.8

You don't want to be a better person today than the one yesterday? It doesn't require a whole lot....but you at least gotta give a try. Sounds like you hit a rough patch. Hope everything gets well soon.

You're not fat or skinny, but you can get in better shape. It's better for your health and your wallet to he healthy.

That in return will bring a better sex life. Doing cardio keeps you going like the energizer bunny.

Being in shape will lead to less flakiness. First impressions.....first impressions.

Don't focus on getting laid. Getting focus on being a better person....because it will benefit you, and get you laid. Don't focus on going to them, focus on making them come to you!

Post: #9

If the 99% aren't willing to put in the work (approaching/changing their environment etc) to become a master, they have only themselves to blame.

Without discipline and action, expecting 'a decent girl with a bit on the side' will only lead to disappointment.

Post: #10

I am all for staying positive and keep pushing forward. Be the best guy you can be, absolutely! But let me put it this way, even at my best, I will still pay a 1000% premium for pussy in America compared to the top 10% of tall, good looking guys - who in many cases don't even pay a cent.

One of them even recently told me. I have no game. He has no game because he doesn't need to. The point I keep continuously trying to make is the price of pussy for the average guy out there keeps going up and game as an inflation damper isn't going to cut it.

Post: #11

(05-05-2014 02:03 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  A lot of the focus of both our society and to some degree this forum is on becoming the player equivalent of a billionaire when in reality most guys aren't even willing to put in the work necessary to become a player millionaire.

A few years ago I accepted the dynamic you just described, which is exactly why I don't really care and just focus on being the best me that I can be.

Everybody doesn't want "it". If "it" is an unusual thing, then "it" is likely something that's highly desired and difficult to obtain. Those that have it more likely than not, worked tirelessly to get it. Those that don't, don't because they weren't willing to put in that same work.

Ultimately, people are leading the lives they want to lead, being the people they want to be, no matter how much they state otherwise.

As to how this all pertains to the game community, it's rather easy, one look at the subject topics on forums like this, blog posts on "Manosphere" sites, are mostly about how men can cope with dealing with low-level women. If one wants to play the game, i.e. figure how to manipulate the rules to conquer that kind of bitch, then miss me with the talk about "dimes", because that's not what they really want.

The dime is something to talk about, masturbate to, etc. but it's the low-level bitch that they want, because all their efforts and non-efforts are towards getting her.

Guys who actually want dimes are doing everything in their power to be dimes themselves. The day when you could just be a nickel with a decent job and still easily have women wanting to be in your life are long gone. Now you have to actually be a man who really has his money right, a man who has his head on straight and can lead and protect what's his, a man who a bitch actually wants to strip her clothes off for and slide her pussy around his dick while she makes animal noises, squirts on his nuts, and then licks it all off while making trumpet noises without the slightest hint of embarrassment.

Instead, the player fakeanaires you talk about, would rather believe they can get dimes if they just learn the right things to say, the right ways to angle their bodies and all this other bullshit, as if only the man does the choosing, and the woman is just programmed to interact with him in the way he wants her to as long as he's supposedly pushing all the right buttons that some guy who wrote a book told him to push.

Fuck that noise, and fuck the 99%.

Look in your rear view, you can't see them.

Post: #12

First of all you are not 99% of men when you can get numbers and bangs - you are more aware of the female psyche than most Naturals if you have studied Game!

Second most Game-aware guys will of course not become Roosh, Krauser or any Master PUA. You have stated correctly that they don't want to put in the work.

You want a nice girl and sometimes some honey on the side? That is no surprise - I estimate that most PUAs will turn out the same sooner or later. Your goals are not so different even from the top of the PUA-community - wait 'till those guys reach 40,50 or have a kid or two. They will probably never stop hunting on the side, but they might settle down and their Game level can help them find a lovely feminine girl.

Your goal: "I am basically your average guy who wants a relationship with a decent girl and something extra on the side now and then."

IF you have trouble finding such a girl in the US, then you either start hunting somewhere else, you up your game, you get a first-generation-immigrant or you move abroad, where your level of Game is not that important. LIFE JUST IS - WE MAKE THE BEST OF IT!!!!

Otherwise you might just as well deplore not having been born a billionaire model-looks guy with super-athletic genetic makeup and an IQ of 160.

Post: #13

(05-05-2014 02:50 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  I am all for staying positive and keep pushing forward. Be the best guy you can be, absolutely! But let me put it this way, even at my best, I will still pay a 1000% premium for pussy in America compared to the top 10% of tall, good looking guys - who in many cases don't even pay a cent.

One of them even recently told me. I have no game. He has no game because he doesn't need to. The point I keep continuously trying to make is the price of pussy for the average guy out there keeps going up and game as an inflation damper isn't going to cut it.

I know a fairly good looking guy. He got into the game and got results fairly fast. He was getting good fast.

He got it easy. He then settled down for a girlfriend. He knew he'd keep her around even if he stopped going out. He's been with over for year plus and we never see him out ever. He's completely domesticated.

The 2nd guy I know. Much harder for him. He had to struggle way more. He got a girlfriend, alright looking average girl. But because he knew he'd lose her if he stopped going out(he knew getting a new girl wouldn't be easy if he stopped approaching), he kept going out and meeting girls even with a girlfriend.

First guy had it easy, look at him now. He's a soft bitch. 2nd guy had it way harder, but because he knows he has it harder, he never became complacent or fell into beta behavior.

Be thankful you don't have it easy. It gives you the leverage to really get good and not fall into a beta mindset. Same with money, we all know the rich kid who's spoiled as fuck and didn't learn the importance of hard work.

On this forum we want to be the 1 percent and live fulfilling lives. The average man lives a shit life. Life is too short to be average.

Post: #14

(05-05-2014 01:18 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  I am not very tall or particularly good looking.

Then put your accent into clothing.

(05-05-2014 01:18 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  I am not built like a Super hero or Olympic athlete but neither am I fat or out of shape.

Get ripped. Nowadays, with supplements, programs and roid being two clicks away even in shithole countries like mine there is literally no excuses for being skinnyfat and "average built".

(05-05-2014 01:18 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  I have decent/some game but I am not a master or even very good at it.

Then read more and approach more.

(05-05-2014 01:18 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  While I would like to be a Roosh or Krauser deep down inside I know I will never be willing to put in the work necessary. I just don't have the need and drive to prove myself in that way.

Depressed, no willpower, no drive. We are getting very near your diagnosis.

(05-05-2014 01:18 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  I am decent in bed but I am not a pornstar. I don't particularly enjoy rough sex especially since it would take a lot of strength to rough up these women as they get bigger and bigger.

Diagnosis: You have low testosterone.

(05-05-2014 01:18 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  I am social but don't have high valued social connections. I am not going to be getting VIP treatment at the ropes of the top clubs and bars.

I am basically your average guy who wants a relationship with a decent girl and something extra on the side now and then.

Yep. Low test. Start working out and get enough sleep, in a month or two you'll stop whining and you'll get out of your depressed state. You're gonna make it brah. Good luck.

Post: #15

I think a lot of people are missing the point of Nomad77's post.

It's meant to be a generic description of something that most men go through at some point - the feeling of 'average.' And the realisation that 'average' is sometimes enough.

Although he is drawing on his own experiences, he is quiet obviously not describing himself, but rather a generic experience (hence the 99%).

There are aspects of life one can excel in, but very few men will be able to excel in absolutely everything they do, so sometimes one has to prioritise and put some stuff on the backburner, and for a lot of guys I've realised, it's the game that is going to be pushed down the priority list.

Y'all can rant and rave against it all you like, and you may come out blazing with your cries of "I'll never be average! I will strive to bang 10s! Gmanifesto will be pm'ing for advice one of these days!" but then this post wasn't meant for you in the first place. This is the kind of post that is probably going to be most appreciated by the lurkers of the forum - the guys gunning for average success in the game.

Post: #16

We're men, we get nothing in life handed to us. We have to labor to get what we want out of life, that is the male condition. Any guy who fits the bill of Nomad77's OP whose not having an above average sex life with above average women does not have a right to complain about it, as the average schlub was never entitled to any of it in the first place.

(05-05-2014 03:01 AM)jariel Wrote:  Guys who actually want dimes are doing everything in their power to be dimes themselves. The day when you could just be a nickel with a decent job and still easily have women wanting to be in your life are long gone.

Fuck that noise, and fuck the 99%.

Post: #17

It doesn't matter if you are objectively in the top 1% of the country, all that matters is if you are the top 1% in your fishbowl.

For example, I like dancing venues. There, I am in the 1%. In other venues, I'm in the 99%.

Thus it is not the case of either-or. You can sometimes be the most alpha in the room while in others you're just a regular joe.

Get in where you dominate.

Post: #18

There are always going to be those to aspire to be the rockstars - the top players. It is what the American culture sells but for every Bon Jovi there will be tens of millions who will live and die without ever hearing the adulation of a screaming crowd of women. It is precisely Deluge mentally of give everything to the 1% and fuck the rest that will eventually destroy this country. It is your average scrub that built this country because he wasn't spending all of his time learning to play basketball, guitar, or chasing women.

Let me explain it this way, if women were bread. What would be a reasonable price to pay for a loaf? If a loaf of bread cost $500 would the average person be able to buy one. But what if that same $500 bread was being sold to the rich for just $1? Now, you can take the mentally that you are going to work hard to get rich enough to buy the $500 bread, as so many of us do with the iPhones, BMWs, and all the other babble we feel makes us better than the other person. But do you ever stop to think that this is ridiculous, that a bread/women should not cost so much? That the total price we are paying is just way too high? As long as we keep paying the price. Women will have no incentive to lower it. In the end we become the famous hamster on the thread mill working our asses off just for a loaf of bread aka (piece of ass).

Post: #19

(05-05-2014 09:31 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  There are always going to be those to aspire to be the rockstars - the top players. It is what the American culture sells but for every Bon Jovi there will be tens of millions who will live and die without ever hearing the adulation of a screaming crowd of women. It is precisely Deluge mentally of give everything to the 1% and fuck the rest that will eventually destroy this country. It is your average scrub that built this country because he wasn't spending all of his time learning to play basketball, guitar, or chasing women.

Let me explain it this way, if women were bread. What would be a reasonable price to pay for a loaf? If a loaf of bread cost $500 would the average person be able to buy one. But what if that same $500 bread was being sold to the rich for just $1? Now, you can take the mentally that you are going to work hard to get rich enough to buy the $500 bread, as so many of us do with the iPhones, BMWs, and all the other babble we feel makes us better than the other person. But do you ever stop to think that this is ridiculous, that a bread/women should not cost so much? That the total price we are paying is just way too high? As long as we keep paying the price. Women will have no incentive to lower it. In the end we become the famous hamster of the thread mill working our asses off just for a loaf of bread aka (piece of ass).

In no way am I suggesting that this is a good thing for society. Pretty much 90% of the men on this board agree we are living in decadent times.

But if you want success the best bet is to find a niche.

Post: #20

If 90% of the men on this board agrees that this is not a good thing then why aren't, at least 50% of them, trying to change anything.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Burke

It is this, every man for himself, fuck the rest mentally that got us were we are today and will take us where we really do not even want to imagine being.

Post: #21

I think it's more realistic to put yourself in top 5%. Although you are technically in the 99%, you are outplaying 95% of guys, and only strongly competing against the 5%.

If you're not fat, and at least decently fit;
If you're not broke;
Cool personality, fun to be around;
Have some background experience with girls, sexual experience, and are more selective;
And above all.. Approach and make things happen with girls, instead of sitting around and hoping girls will fall out of the sky, open their legs and get into a relationship with you;

You are in the top 5%. Most guys have at least 1 or 2 of these, but having 5 of these is only something top 5% have. And it's actually really easy to have all of these checked off.. You don't need to have an elite body, just be decently fit. You don't need to have a high notch count, just some experience to get you by and give you some abundance.

And we know top 20% of guys are the only ones getting laid.

From there, just improve yourself even further, for you. Your own self improvement. In turn, you have more success and more fulfilling relationships with the girls you want. Top 5% is easy, and you can even grow from there, although top 1% in general is very hard/close to impossible depending where you are.

Post: #22

Tons of people turn around and look at me when I enter the bar too, that doesn't result in a line of pussy lining up at my table 5 minutes later when I get my drink.

Post: #23

(05-05-2014 09:39 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Burke

"If you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat those two imposters just the same" - Kipling

"Imposters", he said!!

Nietzsche said happiness is nothing more than the removal of the negative.

Before we can master a woman, we must first master ourselvses and the more I get my life in order, physically, financially, spiritualy, the less I view a woman as the answer.

Post: #24

Post: #25

You are in the Top 1%.

Just because this forum is specialized in game doesn't mean life is game. Roosh & others are specialized in this kind of stuff because we human like to take specialties. Women, game and sex shouldn't be you life goals. There are many other things (family, kids, career, money, culture...)

I only realized that most people are either broke, or illiterate, or ugly, or ass-holes, or very bad at game, or stupid, or a combination of these when I started socializing with different/random numbers of the population. Having a good job and a good financial situation already puts you ahead of 90% of the population. (though this will depend a lot of the country/place you are in).

When you go on the street, you see lots of Porsche, BMWs and Mercedes. It doesn't mean that people are rich and you are poor. These things (cars/brands/status) attracts your attention, and that's why you see them. Most people are broke.

Same for seeing only nice girls/guys. The ugly ones just doesn't attract your attention. You don't see them.

You are way ahead then you ever think. I'd focus more on money, career, family than women at this stage. If anything, the previous items will improve your game.