Post: #26

(05-05-2014 11:06 AM)Onto Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 09:39 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Burke

"If you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat those two imposters just the same" - Kipling

"Imposters", he said!!

Nietzsche said happiness is nothing more than the removal of the negative.

Before we can master a woman, we must first master ourselvses and the more I get my life in order, physically, financially, spiritualy, the less I view a woman as the answer.

"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else’s opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation" - Oscar Wilde

"Those whose hearts are fixed on Reality itself deserve the title of Philosophers" - Plato

"When it is obvious that the goals cannot be reached, don't adjust the goals, adjust the action steps" - Confucius


Famous words on the existential meaning of the player and the pussy he hunts.

Post: #27

(05-05-2014 09:39 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  If 90% of the men on this board agrees that this is not a good thing then why aren't, at least 50% of them, trying to change anything.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Burke

It is this, every man for himself, fuck the rest mentally that got us were we are today and will take us where we really do not even want to imagine being.

Do you ever read the everything else forum?

Despite the fact that men on here believe Western Civ is fucked, most men on this board:

- Support unlimited immigration
- Do not see a problem with taking on unlimited debt
- Vote for feminists (i.e. Obama and other democrats)
- Think they just need money and all of their problems will be solved

Lots of cognitive dissonance here at RVF.

Post: #28

Nomad, you can't change nature.

It sounds like you want something for nothing.

If you want girls, game is one possible way to do it. If you don't know game, then it will probably take a lot of effort to learn it.

Either that or you are hating on the players here? I'm confused..

Post: #29

(05-05-2014 11:41 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 09:39 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  If 90% of the men on this board agrees that this is not a good thing then why aren't, at least 50% of them, trying to change anything.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Burke

It is this, every man for himself, fuck the rest mentally that got us were we are today and will take us where we really do not even want to imagine being.

Do you ever read the everything else forum?

Despite the fact that men on here believe Western Civ is fucked, most men on this board:

- Support unlimited immigration
- Do not see a problem with taking on unlimited debt
- Vote for feminists (i.e. Obama and other democrats)
- Think they just need money and all of their problems will be solved

Lots of cognitive dissonance here at RVF.

I do hope it is better than that - I am more under the impression that most manosphere guys are libertarians which is another dead end desigend and paid for the by the plutocracy.

What also strikes me is that quite a few are open for discussion and factual debate, which is a huge advantage in comparison to die-hard tea-party-supporters or the socialist liberal agenda lovers. Red Pill Guys are at least willing to listen to reason and maybe change their viewpoints - BIG PLUS!

Post: #30

(05-05-2014 01:38 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 11:41 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 09:39 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  If 90% of the men on this board agrees that this is not a good thing then why aren't, at least 50% of them, trying to change anything.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Burke

It is this, every man for himself, fuck the rest mentally that got us were we are today and will take us where we really do not even want to imagine being.

Do you ever read the everything else forum?

Despite the fact that men on here believe Western Civ is fucked, most men on this board:

- Support unlimited immigration
- Do not see a problem with taking on unlimited debt
- Vote for feminists (i.e. Obama and other democrats)
- Think they just need money and all of their problems will be solved

Lots of cognitive dissonance here at RVF.

I do hope it is better than that - I am more under the impression that most manosphere guys are libertarians which is another dead end desigend and paid for the by the plutocracy.

What also strikes me is that quite a few are open for discussion and factual debate, which is a huge advantage in comparison to die-hard tea-party-supporters or the socialist liberal agenda lovers. Red Pill Guys are at least willing to listen to reason and maybe change their viewpoints - BIG PLUS!

I really wish the red pill/blue pill stuff would be divorced from politics. Democrats support feminists and cultural marxism and unlimited immigration. Republicans support conservative morality, no abortion, religious dogma, everyone getting married, Libertarians would turn this into a corporatocracy with no social safety net where illegals from anywhere allowed to freely come across the border and drive down wages.

ALL political parties suck in some major way. We just make trade-offs.

Post: #31

(05-05-2014 02:13 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Republicans support conservative morality, no abortion, religious dogma, everyone getting married,

What are the downsides to Republicans? They would create a high birthrate culture with some crazy religious freaks, but overall it would be a very good place for masculine men.

Post: #32

(05-05-2014 02:17 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 02:13 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Republicans support conservative morality, no abortion, religious dogma, everyone getting married,

What are the downsides to Republicans? They would create a high birthrate culture with some crazy religious freaks, but overall it would be a very good place for masculine men.

Namely their economics suck. I don't think they give a shit about the average income person or working class. Their main loyalty goes to the wealthy and reducing their taxes. Both parties are big spenders, but at least the Democrats actually want to raise taxes to support their spending. The republicans keep spending the same while lowering taxes and just add it to the nation's credit card. Reaganomics are sacrosanct to them and and Reagan himself has an unwavering cult-of-personality status reminiscent of Kim Il Sung. You cannot criticize anything Reagan did, his economic policies, his foreign policies or anything that came from the Reagan era. These are the golden years to Republicans. If you believe in all that Reaganism then vote Republican. The Republican part is no longer the party of Lincoln, it's the party of Reagan.

Also, I don't think Republicans are anti-feminist in any way. What was Sarah Palin if not an affirmative action choice to please women? There's no way in hell that John McCain couldn't find a man to run as his VP that was more qualified than her.

Post: #33

(05-05-2014 02:17 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 02:13 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Republicans support conservative morality, no abortion, religious dogma, everyone getting married,

What are the downsides to Republicans? They would create a high birthrate culture with some crazy religious freaks, but overall it would be a very good place for masculine men.

Republicans are conservative, creating high birthrate? ALL PARTIES HAVE ONE AGENDA!!!!! The words may be different, but at the end of the day the true rulers are the same.

There is no voting yourself out of this shithole.

Post: #34

(05-05-2014 11:41 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 09:39 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  If 90% of the men on this board agrees that this is not a good thing then why aren't, at least 50% of them, trying to change anything.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Burke

It is this, every man for himself, fuck the rest mentally that got us were we are today and will take us where we really do not even want to imagine being.

Do you ever read the everything else forum?

Despite the fact that men on here believe Western Civ is fucked, most men on this board:

- Support unlimited immigration
- Do not see a problem with taking on unlimited debt
- Vote for feminists (i.e. Obama and other democrats)
- Think they just need money and all of their problems will be solved

Lots of cognitive dissonance here at RVF.

Excuse me, but I don't understand your leap in the argument here. What does immigration, debt, Obama, and money have to do with the OP's initial train of thought? There is absolutely no logic in this post, you've only pushed it in because you want to troll this thread with political nonsense when we were having a wonderfully philosophical conversation on the nature of 'average'. You basically have just thrown in a whole bunch of straw men in here hoping to start a fire.

Post: #35

I would have to agree I wouldnt necessarily care about being in the top 1-10%. I would just want to be objectively good, not necessarily relatively good. What others do shouldnt affect what I do.

(05-05-2014 02:17 PM)Samseau Wrote:  What are the downsides to Republicans?

The fact that they are almost exactly the same as Democrats.

Post: #36

(05-05-2014 03:46 PM)cooledcannon Wrote:  The fact that they are almost exactly the same as Democrats.

Americans have bought into the illusion of choice.

Those particular "public servants" are uber rich and they all serve the same master.

Post: #37

(05-05-2014 02:32 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 02:17 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 02:13 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Republicans support conservative morality, no abortion, religious dogma, everyone getting married,

What are the downsides to Republicans? They would create a high birthrate culture with some crazy religious freaks, but overall it would be a very good place for masculine men.

Namely their economics suck. I don't think they give a shit about the average income person or working class. Their main loyalty goes to the wealthy and reducing their taxes. Both parties are big spenders, but at least the Democrats actually want to raise taxes to support their spending.

Yeah but they only raise taxes on the working class. They don't actually propose a net worth tax that would take from the real rich who have never worked a day in their life.

Quote:The republicans keep spending the same while lowering taxes and just add it to the nation's credit card. Reaganomics are sacrosanct to them and and Reagan himself has an unwavering cult-of-personality status reminiscent of Kim Il Sung. You cannot criticize anything Reagan did, his economic policies, his foreign policies or anything that came from the Reagan era. These are the golden years to Republicans. If you believe in all that Reaganism then vote Republican. The Republican part is no longer the party of Lincoln, it's the party of Reagan.

Okay, these are legitimate objections but your original point was that republicans create a religious culture and lots of marriages.

Now you're saying they just milk from the poor and give to the rich, which I might add has occurred the most under the Democrats since Obama was elected.

But this is just a digression. I don't care about Republicans or Democrats. I just want a high birthrate culture with strong families because I know that's the best culture for masculine men.

I don't care who does it, as long as someone does it.

Quote:Also, I don't think Republicans are anti-feminist in any way. What was Sarah Palin if not an affirmative action choice to please women? There's no way in hell that John McCain couldn't find a man to run as his VP that was more qualified than her.

Republicans are definitely hardcore white knights, but they weren't always this way.

It does seem like as long as women have the vote though, both parties must pander to the female vote. So calling either party feminist is kinda moot, since it is suicide not to.

That said, if I had to choose between a feminist culture with high birthrates and lots of marriages versus a feminist culture with low birthrates and broken families, I'll take the former.

Post: #38

(05-05-2014 02:44 PM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 11:41 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 09:39 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  If 90% of the men on this board agrees that this is not a good thing then why aren't, at least 50% of them, trying to change anything.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Burke

It is this, every man for himself, fuck the rest mentally that got us were we are today and will take us where we really do not even want to imagine being.

Do you ever read the everything else forum?

Despite the fact that men on here believe Western Civ is fucked, most men on this board:

- Support unlimited immigration
- Do not see a problem with taking on unlimited debt
- Vote for feminists (i.e. Obama and other democrats)
- Think they just need money and all of their problems will be solved

Lots of cognitive dissonance here at RVF.

Excuse me, but I don't understand your leap in the argument here. What does immigration, debt, Obama, and money have to do with the OP's initial train of thought?

Because immigration, debt, Obama (and other political feminists), and the single-minded pursuit of money all are major contributors to the decadence of the times we live in.

The OP's post was lamenting how the normal man gets screwed today. I replied how to get around this fact, and then he replied why isn't anyone doing anything to change it? So I merely pointed out how even on this forum most guys aren't willing to help others out, despite being aware of the problems, so how would it be possible for larger society to do anything about it?

Quote:There is absolutely no logic in this post, you've only pushed it in because you want to troll this thread with political nonsense when we were having a wonderfully philosophical conversation on the nature of 'average'. You basically have just thrown in a whole bunch of straw men in here hoping to start a fire.

More like you failed at reading the conversation correctly and I inadvertently struck one of your liberal nerves.

Post: #39

I guess what we are collectively saying is that we just have to "Gaman" as the Japanese say.

"It means patience; endurance; perseverance; tolerance; self-control; self-denial and you hear it when you have to face a situation that you don't like but have to endure."

The price per notch or whatever else you want from women will keep rising for the majority of men and they will just have to suck it up and endure. While game helps I believe the cost is raising much faster than most guys game.

Post: #40

Could be more appropriate...lol

http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-be-a-good-clown

Post: #41

No person is in the top 1% in everything he does. You need to decide what you want to be the top 1% in then take steps to get there. Want to be in the top 1% of attracting and banging women? Become the top 10% in finances, lifestyle, fitness, personality, and game. That would be the one percent. It's impossible to be the richest, tallest, best looking, coolest, charmingest guy in the world, bit being the top 5% or so in 3 of those categories easily puts you in 1% territory.

The average guy isn't rich, ripped, or cool. He's poor, fat, and boring. That's why it sucks to be average.

Post: #42

This discussion raises the question: what kind of society do we actually personally want?

A highly religious, family oriented one where most men will only ever sleep with one women for life? Traditional societies are good for children and most men, but bad for women and alpha men.

Or a secular, individual oriented one where the average men will sleep with maybe 10 women in their lifetimes, but it is possible for some men to sleep with far more? These societies are good for alpha men and women, but bad for the everyday man and children.

I'm in the later category, partly because I'm young and that's all that there really is around me, even though I do think that option is worse for society over all. Après moi, le déluge - After me, the flood. It's going to come one day, but by that time I'll either dead or elderly. In the meantime however

Post: #43

(05-05-2014 07:49 PM)Deluge Wrote:  This discussion raises the question: what kind of society do we actually personally want?

A highly religious, family oriented one where most men will only ever sleep with one women for life? Traditional societies are good for children and most men, but bad for women and alpha men.

Or a secular, individual oriented one where the average men will sleep with maybe 10 women in their lifetimes, but it is possible for some men to sleep with far more? These societies are good for alpha men and women, but bad for the everyday man and children.

I'm in the later category, partly because I'm young and that's all that there really is around me, even though I do think that option is worse for society over all. Après moi, le déluge - After me, the flood. It's going to come one day, but by that time I'll either dead or elderly. In the meantime however

Regardless of what "we" want, the cats not going back in the bag. I don't see a return to religious, family-oriented society where everyone is a virgin at marriage and has a nuclear family with no divorce. There's just no reversing that. Religious belief is generally on the decline as a larger share of each generation becomes secular humanist. Religion is really the only cultural mold powerful enough to create that type of society. I don't see anything else to replace it that would have the same effect. Without religious shaming, there is no reason anyone will shy away from lots of casual sex, or homosexual experimentation, or not having kids, easy divorce, abortion and a free-wheeling lifestyle.

If you guys want to see people have more kids in the West then maybe the
government will have start paying women to have them or giving even more incentive through further tax credits and other goodies like government-funded day care. Religion is not going to do it and there aren't enough Mormans in Utah to reverse the trend. And Catholic Hispanics that immigrate within a generation will be indistinguishable in behavior from their American peers.

Post: #44

In all honesty, I am glad I am not the top 1%, possible in the top 10% looks and body/heightwise. Being tall and muscular has its advantages but you still have to put effort in to get women who are in your league rather than the thirsty girls or overly slutty 7.5s/8s.

If I were to make an effort to be in the top, top echelon of men in any city of the UK I would be incredibly bored. I would enjoy working a good, relaxed job that I enjoy and bang 1-2 different girls a week and have a regular in the mix but you dont need to be in the top % for that IMO.

Post: #45

I am a big believer in moderation. The extremes are never good for the long-term. Personally, I would be quite happy with the way things were 20-30 years ago including the weight of the women and especially their attitude. There needs to be balance in life. Without balance everything will crash in the end.

Post: #46

You shouldn't be worrying about other peoples lives being balanced, if those people do not bring something to you which is positive then cut them out.

I have done this so many times nowadays I become confused by people who stick by those who cause them grief.

Post: #47

(05-05-2014 08:36 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  In all honesty, I am glad I am not the top 1%, possible in the top 10% looks and body/heightwise. Being tall and muscular has its advantages but you still have to put effort in to get women who are in your league rather than the thirsty girls or overly slutty 7.5s/8s.

Poor guys, stuck banging all those 7s and 8s.

Post: #48

After enough time on the board, I usually close every thread with the first mention of "republican" or "democrat". Any party that is in power long enough, does not give a fuck about the countries citizens. (Look at all the other "democratic" countries). The politicians get bribed and influenced by large corporations/oligarchs and their lobbyists. Hell, corporations write their own laws.
The (2) party system is an illusion of choice.
My judgement on party vs. party discussions = waste of time
It is the same in Europe. The only way to really change something would be voting for extremely left or right wing non-established parties. But average joe is average joe and will make his choice like he always does.

Accept, that we will ride the western decline till the horse is dead

Post: #49

Nomad - you are giving an honest opinion on how you feel. You are here because there is something that interests you and you want to improve yourself.
I believe a lot of us are looking for pussy paradises because we are not the 1%.
Sure I am in shape, drive a decent car, educated, have a few dollars and get some attention from girls. Sometimes that just ain't enough.
As I get older I think those things are good, but I am starting to think there are a lot of intangibles that can't be defined.
In North America there is an emphasis on money, sure some people will disagree but trying to get girls by being broke is hard. Girls here like to have fun, that usually involves spending money. I know a lot of "betas"who are spending money to keep ugly girlfriends. I have met a lot of cute young gals lately, they are about that life (travelling to exotic places, attending sport events, concerts etc).

The great thing about Europe is people have less, the bar is lower. Girls can't expect you too have a nice car, most of them take public transport. They can't expect you to have a nice condo, since most of them live at home or in a house share.
So when we show up in there towns and stay in a centrally located apartment with a few dollars, we are suddenly the 1%. I have been to many European cities, I have met girls and taken to them to restaurants in their city that they could never go to.
Hooligan Harry has a great post about this. West Coast has a similar mindset and MikeCF. These guys keep me coming back to this forum for inspiration.

Post: #50

I was walking on a campus today and I was thinking to myself:

"Man I have done quite a few direct approaches over the last few months.

How would I react if a good looking, well dressed, in shape girl came up to my side and said I look handsome and she wanted to say hello?"

I'd probably shit a brick and yell out "Would Bang!" at the same time.