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Post: #52

(02-28-2014 02:25 AM)Uzisuicide Wrote:  I wouldn't call agent 47 saying "fuck Israel" mildly brushing against the subject of Israel. I am merely defending those whom I thought were being unfairly attacked. You may well call my posts nonsensical since you disagree with them. Someone saying "fuck Israel" is going to be responded to. If your friends were being attacked I hope you would defend them too. I will defend my Jewish brothers to the end. I also think a robust debate is a good thing. Cheers.

How's the weather in Tel Aviv today?

Post: #53

(02-28-2014 02:25 AM)Uzisuicide Wrote:  I wouldn't call agent 47 saying "fuck Israel" mildly brushing against the subject of Israel. I am merely defending those whom I thought were being unfairly attacked. You may well call my posts nonsensical since you disagree with them. Someone saying "fuck Israel" is going to be responded to. If your friends were being attacked I hope you would defend them too. I will defend my Jewish brothers to the end. I also think a robust debate is a good thing. Cheers.

Your Jewish brothers? Are you even a Jew, or just one of those delusional Zionist Christians who the Jews regard as useful idiots?

Post: #54

(02-28-2014 11:17 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 02:25 AM)Uzisuicide Wrote:  I wouldn't call agent 47 saying "fuck Israel" mildly brushing against the subject of Israel. I am merely defending those whom I thought were being unfairly attacked. You may well call my posts nonsensical since you disagree with them. Someone saying "fuck Israel" is going to be responded to. If your friends were being attacked I hope you would defend them too. I will defend my Jewish brothers to the end. I also think a robust debate is a good thing. Cheers.

Your Jewish brothers? Are you even a Jew, or just one of those delusional Zionist Christians who the Jews regard as useful idiots?

We do not regard non-jewish supporters as "idiots".

Scorp, man I love you as far as ultra right wingers go, but that's just a statement.

Post: #55

(02-27-2014 09:40 PM)kerouac Wrote:  

(02-27-2014 06:35 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  The ironic thing about UCLA is that it doesn't use affirmative action in admissions since public schools in California are banned from doing so as a result of Prop 209.

Funny to reconcile that with its highly liberal student body.

College liberalism doesn't have much to do with race in California. California is a fairly liberal state by American standards, so public college students leaning towards the liberal side in California, even without affirmative action, is no big surprise.

What Happens Without Affirmative Action: The Story Of UCLA

Quote:UCLA realized there was a problem, so it decided to start something called "holistic review," taking into consideration a wide range of factors in its admissions decisions — from GPA, to family income, to whether an applicant was the first in the family to go to college. Race was not one of the factors, but indeed, the percentages of black and Latino students began to rebound.

Then things got complicated again.

Last year, a UCLA professor released a study claiming the school was letting some black and Latino students in at higher rates than white or Asian students who should have ranked just the same under the new holistic review.

So while there is no "affirmative action" per se, the "holistic review" arguably allowed it to happen under a different name.

All in all, maybe it's time some red pill'ers started getting Sociology PhD's in order to infiltrate the system in order to combat the plague.

I actually wasn't referring to race when I brought up affirmative action, though the media often focuses on that. Affirmative action, and CA's Prop 209, includes gender, ethnicity, religion, etc.

In fact, white women have been the single largest beneficiaries of affirmative action programs. Go to any corporate office today and you'll see exactly what I mean.

But anyway, I think if private schools nationwide were also beholden to CA's Prop 209 measure against affirmative action, most campuses at the top schools would look like UC Berkeley, a place where Chinese students alone (forget about other Asian groups) are nearly 30% of the student body.

Meanwhile, Ivy League schools are typically around 17% Asian (including all Asian groups) as a whole. Asians are by far the most discriminated group in college admissions.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/201...is-obvious

Post: #56

Quote:Your Jewish brothers? Are you even a Jew, or just one of those delusional Zionist Christians who the Jews regard as useful idiots?

Perhaps he's just a normal person who recognizes that Israel is a status quo nation and thus has a right to exist. Disagreements and debates about the settlements and Israeli political policy are healthy and useful. But debates about whether or not Israel has a right to exist are frivolous, flippant, and frankly, Anti-Semitic. Israel exists.

Personally, I think the Zionist movement is probably the worst thing, other than the Holocaust, that has and will ever happen to the Jewish people. It is doomed to failure.

The conflict between the Palestinians and the Jews is essentially two nationalisms with overlapping borders. And when you look at the situation from the outside, the ease of the solution is breathtakingly simple: you split the land and share the capital. But this will never happen because the religious (Jews, Muslims, and Christians) will never allow it to happen. This is what happens when you get God involved in real estate deals.

Post: #57

(02-28-2014 11:47 AM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 11:17 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 02:25 AM)Uzisuicide Wrote:  I wouldn't call agent 47 saying "fuck Israel" mildly brushing against the subject of Israel. I am merely defending those whom I thought were being unfairly attacked. You may well call my posts nonsensical since you disagree with them. Someone saying "fuck Israel" is going to be responded to. If your friends were being attacked I hope you would defend them too. I will defend my Jewish brothers to the end. I also think a robust debate is a good thing. Cheers.

Your Jewish brothers? Are you even a Jew, or just one of those delusional Zionist Christians who the Jews regard as useful idiots?

We do not regard non-jewish supporters as "idiots".

Scorp, man I love you as far as ultra right wingers go, but that's just a statement.

Here's a good example of what I'm talking about:

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/israel...apes-wrath

http://www.npr.org/2012/03/07/148076026/...ettlements

These Zionist Christians pay all their own expenses to go volunteer harvesting grapes for Israeli vineyard owners. They do grueling work that the Jew farmers consider beneath them.

Quote: The Schaefer family is part of Hayovel, a Franklin, Tenn.-based organization that has brought hundreds of Evangelical volunteers to Israel over the last eight years to work in agriculture. The Schaefers and others like them relish the physical work that few Israeli Jews (even the settlers themselves) would be ready to subject themselves to.

On a micro level, Hayovel (Hebrew for “jubilee”) participants are a valuable source of free labor that gives a boost to Israeli farmers as well as a growing number of settlement boutique wineries.

This is pretty much the definition of a useful idiot: a person who serves your interests while getting nothing in return. Granted, this is the most extreme example, but it demonstrates the Christian Zionist mindset of being servile to Jews. It's a microcosm of the broader relationship between the U.S. and Israel.

Post: #58

Technically, Jews have the mark of sin upon them because they rejected Christ.

But I will side with Jews over Muslims in 99% of cases. Islam is the most violent religion on the planet, both historically and presently, so I don't fault Israel for using violence to defend their borders. They have to, because they live next to Muslims.

I would recommend to any anti-Jewish man to read up on their Islamic history and get back to me.

Conquest of the former Christian Syria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yarmuk

Conquest of Eygpt and Sack of Alexandria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_conquest_of_Egypt

Fall of Constantinople (present day Istanbul):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople

My father's side of my family comes from present-day Lebanon/Syria (the boarders have changed so much in the last 100 years so basically it's the same region), and everyone in my family tells me they came to escape religious persecution, as Christians, from Muslims.

Muslims have only grown in power since then, and my great-grandfather was wise to get out of that snakepit. It has been nothing but constant warfare in Syria from power-hungry Muslims ever since.

To this day, religious persecution of Christians in the middle east continues unabated.

Coptic Christians killed 'execution style' in Libya

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/co.../36039.htm

Post: #59

(02-27-2014 04:47 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:  ... the United States are the last supporters of Israel, and sold secret United States military technology to China are the good guys?

Do you have a source for this? I'm not doubting you. I'd like to learn more about it.

Post: #60

(02-28-2014 01:22 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 11:47 AM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 11:17 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 02:25 AM)Uzisuicide Wrote:  I wouldn't call agent 47 saying "fuck Israel" mildly brushing against the subject of Israel. I am merely defending those whom I thought were being unfairly attacked. You may well call my posts nonsensical since you disagree with them. Someone saying "fuck Israel" is going to be responded to. If your friends were being attacked I hope you would defend them too. I will defend my Jewish brothers to the end. I also think a robust debate is a good thing. Cheers.

Your Jewish brothers? Are you even a Jew, or just one of those delusional Zionist Christians who the Jews regard as useful idiots?

We do not regard non-jewish supporters as "idiots".

Scorp, man I love you as far as ultra right wingers go, but that's just a statement.

Here's a good example of what I'm talking about:

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/israel...apes-wrath

http://www.npr.org/2012/03/07/148076026/...ettlements

These Zionist Christians pay all their own expenses to go volunteer harvesting grapes for Israeli vineyard owners. They do grueling work that the Jew farmers consider beneath them.

Quote: The Schaefer family is part of Hayovel, a Franklin, Tenn.-based organization that has brought hundreds of Evangelical volunteers to Israel over the last eight years to work in agriculture. The Schaefers and others like them relish the physical work that few Israeli Jews (even the settlers themselves) would be ready to subject themselves to.

On a micro level, Hayovel (Hebrew for “jubilee”) participants are a valuable source of free labor that gives a boost to Israeli farmers as well as a growing number of settlement boutique wineries.

This is pretty much the definition of a useful idiot: a person who serves your interests while getting nothing in return. Granted, this is the most extreme example, but it demonstrates the Christian Zionist mindset of being servile to Jews. It's a microcosm of the broader relationship between the U.S. and Israel.

There is a wide variety of political views within judaism. Both secular & non-secular. There is plenty of anti-zionist sentiment internally.

To slap a label of "jews feel X" is an ignorant statement.

Post: #61

This thread was derailed long ago, so here goes...

Are you all aware of the large number of dual Israeli-American citizens in positions of power in the US government?

https://www.google.com/search?q=israeli+...channel=sb

This list is from 2012 -

Attorney General - Michael Mukasey
Head of Homeland Security - Michael Chertoff
Chairman Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Richard Perle
Deputy Defense Secretary (Former) - Paul Wolfowitz
Under Secretary of Defense - Douglas Feith
National Security Council Advisor - Elliott Abrams
Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff (Former) - “Scooter” Libby
White House Deputy Chief of Staff - Joshua Bolten
Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs - Marc Grossman
Director of Policy Planning at the State Department - Richard Haass
U.S.
Trade Representative (Cabinet-level Position) - Robert Zoellick
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - James Schlesinger
UN Representative (Former) - John Bolton
Under Secretary for Arms Control - David Wurmser
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Eliot Cohen
Senior Advisor to the President - Steve Goldsmith
Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary - Christopher Gersten
Assistant Secretary of State - Lincoln Bloomfield
Deputy Assistant to the President - Jay Lefkowitz
White House Political Director - Ken Melman
National Security Study Group - Edward Luttwak
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Kenneth Adelman
Defense Intelligence Agency Analyst (Former) - Lawrence (Larry) Franklin
National Security Council Advisor - Robert Satloff
President Export-Import Bank U.S.
- Mel Sembler
Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families - Christopher Gersten
Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs
- Mark Weinberger
White House Speechwriter - David Frum
White House Spokesman (Former) - Ari Fleischer
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Henry Kissinger
Deputy Secretary of Commerce - Samuel Bodman
Under Secretary of State for Management - Bonnie Cohen
Director of Foreign Service Institute - Ruth Davis

How many dual citizens of other nations are serving in the government?

Post: #62

^ and your point is?

Derailed indeed.

Post: #63

I am pretty sure that's just a list of Jews.

Post: #64

(02-28-2014 02:37 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  ^ and your point is?

Derailed indeed.

How many dual citizens of other nations, aside from Israel, are serving in positions of power in the government? Gee, do you think that might be a factor in US policy? Reach you own conclusion.

Post: #65

None of those people on Birdie's list are dual citizens, simply Jewish-Americans. Dual citizens are not allowed to serve in the US government because security clearances are not granted to dual citizens.

Some people assume that because Jews worldwide are eligible for Israeli citizenship that means any Jew is automatically an Israeli citizen, but that is not true. There is still a formal lengthy process required to become an actual citizen of Israel.

Israel's current ambassador to the US was actually a Jewish-American from New Jersey. But in order to serve in Israel's government he had to give up his American citizenship, which he did.

Post: #66

Rahm Emanuel, a US citizen, served in the Israeli Defense Force during the first Gulf War in 1991. As you know, he later served in the US government and now he's mayor of Chicago. Are there any other cases of US citizens serving in a foreign military and then later entering the government? Is this permitted for any other nation beside Israel? Perhaps it is, but I'm unaware of it.

Post: #67

@Birdie - Rahm gave up his Israeli citizenship when he was 18 when he knew he would pursue a career in American government. Also, he was a civilian volunteer for the IDF, not a soldier.

Many governments around the world don't allow dual citizens to serve in official capacities, no matter the level.

Even the clearance I have which is the same one as government officials doesnt allow dual citizenship.

Post: #68

(02-28-2014 03:33 PM)birdie num num Wrote:  Rahm Emanuel, a US citizen, served in the Israeli Defense Force during the first Gulf War in 1991. As you know, he later served in the US government and now he's mayor of Chicago. Are there any other cases of US citizens serving in a foreign military and then later entering the government? Is this permitted for any other nation beside Israel? Perhaps it is, but I'm unaware of it.

Do you realized that you made statement, someone pointed out that it was wrong, and hen you ignored it and chose to double down by asking more questions instead of getting the answer for yourself?

Try Googling Arnold Schwarzenegger. And then Google the rules regarding dual citizenship. And then you can Google the difference between the Right of Return and actual Israeli citizenship.

Post: #69

(02-27-2014 03:45 PM)Uzisuicide Wrote:  The hatred for Israel is two pronged. On one hand it's part of a broader battle between good and evil that we're all in the middle of like it or not. The Jews are Gods chosen people, the people through which he has revealed himself to all of us. I don't say that as a Jew, I'm Anglo Saxon. The efforts of leftists to destroy the belief in the God of Abraham, Issac and Jocob is wrapped up in the hatred of Israel, the de-Christianization of Western civilization and the progression of liberalism that not only undermines God's purpose for humanity, it undermines the very survival of the west. The progression of divorce, homosexuality, feminism along with shaming and silencing of people of faith is part and parcel of the over arching battle between good and evil. We all comment daily as we observe the terrible consequences that leftism has had on woman and the west by useful idiots hating Jews while awaiting the coming of the anti-christ. All of this is connected.

The second prong of Jewish hatred is jealousy that Jews are successful and have money. To cover their inadequacy the haters maintain that Jews stole it or cheated their way to it. Simple as that.
If you parachuted out of a plane and had a choice of only one place in the middle east to land, where would it be? I pick Israel.

Post: #70

(02-27-2014 12:44 PM)Roosh Wrote:  She accused those who criticized her meltdown of “obvious blatant racist microaggression”:

That's a new trendy word used mostly by feminazis, just like "creepy" etc etc. :

/thread-31464....oagression

Post: #71

@Mhaes- I don't know what the weather is like in Tel Aviv. But it's freezing cold here in Washington D.C.

Post: #72

^So you have an embassy posting then?

Post: #73

(02-28-2014 02:25 AM)Uzisuicide Wrote:  I wouldn't call agent 47 saying "fuck Israel" mildly brushing against the subject of Israel. I am merely defending those whom I thought were being unfairly attacked. You may well call my posts nonsensical since you disagree with them. Someone saying "fuck Israel" is going to be responded to. If your friends were being attacked I hope you would defend them too. I will defend my Jewish brothers to the end. I also think a robust debate is a good thing. Cheers.

Post: #74

We've had our share of Black, White, Asian, Indian, etc. race wars on this forum-- I'm surprised it took this long for us to have our very own Israel vs Palestine fight.

And the beauty of it is that it's all in a girl's breakdown thread. Of course, whenever it has to do with Israel you better be prepared for a shit storm, from all sides.

Post: #75

What's funny about Israel if you look at the matter objectively is that if Israel didn't exist, potentially millions of more Arabs would have died.

If Israel vanished from the earth tomorrow, the Palestinian question would be far from being answered. Instead, the power vacuum would open up yet another theater in the ongoing saga of a Muslim states jockeying for regional hegemonic power.

We've already seen such power struggles play out within Syria and Iraq. In Syria, you have a government allied with Hezbollah and Iran in one camp, while Sunni opposition fighters are being supported by Saudi Arabia and Qatar. The external non-Arab actors in that conflict is merely a drop in the bucket to the investments rival Arab and Muslim states have made to advance their own adversarial interests.

The fact that this is occurring with the presence of a Jewish state in the Holy Land means that you can only imagine how much more amplified it would be were Israel not in the picture.

In fact, even currently, you're seeing multiple adversarial states vying for influence among Palestinians, with Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and others financing rival groups like Fatah, Hammas, Islamic Jihad, etc.

Want to hear something even more surprising? More Arabs have died in the Syrian Civil War than Palestinians have died in conflicts with Israel.

This has been nature of violence in the Middle East for as long as one can remember. For many people in that part of the world, the 6th century may as well have been last week.

Because Israel exists, the Palestinian issue creates a diversion for states in the region. For a long time, it was actual political strategy for oppressive governments to pin their people's grievances on the Israel issue as a scapegoat for their incompetent and corrupt rule.

It also gives the US a good cover to maintain its dominance in the Middle East, keeping states fragmented and preventing hegemonic maneuvers from any one state due to fear of American response. The largest US naval fleet sits right in the Persian Gulf (the most oil rich region on the planet).

This is why guys like Sadaam Hussein - who very much had grand ambitions to make himself a pan-Arab hegemonic ruler - was eventually booted from power with enthusiastic support from other Arab governments.

If Israel weren't in the picture, there would have been in its place an Arab bloodbath that would have potentially resulted in one dominant caliphate-like entity ruling the whole region, essentially as a hegemony. This would be a detriment to US geopolitical and economic interests, and it may have prolonged the Cold War between the US and USSR, making the region (and the world) an even more dangerous place.

The impact that an invulnerable Middle Eastern government able to behave with impunity would have on oil prices, for instance, would be catastrophic to American interests, let alone Arab lives. This is why the US is so adamant on making sure an Arab or another Muslim state (Iran) does not get a nuke. That would simultaneously neutralize Israel's leverage AND US dominance in the region's affairs.

Also, the US benefits tremendously from military sales to Israel, technological innovations from Israel, and Israel's superb intelligence gathering capabilities.

The ROI the US gets from Israel is simply priceless in geopolitical and economic terms. No doubt it when you look objectively at the situation in the Middle East from a reality-based perspective. To assess Israel properly, one really has to understand the neighborhood and the dynamics at work in every country in that region.

But even so, many ordinary people in Israel are unhappy with the US.

If they had their way, the US foreign policy in the region would not be the way it is. They wouldn't have the US talking to Iran and making deals, or a whole host of other states that don't recognize or have diplomatic relations with Israel. I would argue that Israel is in many ways the US' "useful idiot." The US has gotten way more mileage out of Israel's presence in the region while Israelis still don't feel that secure and live in a military state, uncertain about their future and states like Iran. Do you think Israelis are happy that the US is dealing with a government whose last president was a holocaust denier and said the country should be wiped off the map?

Also, one other issue that Israelis resent is the case of Jonathan Pollard. He was a Jewish-American intelligence analyst who passed on classified secrets to Israel. Read up on the guy. He's a huge cause celebre in Israel and the country's leaders , as well as prominent Jewish-Americans in government and private individuals, have been begging for his release for decades (he was granted Israeli citizenship while in prison in the US, the first such move of its kind). He's also done more time than other individuals charged with similar crimes yet the US government still won't release him. Hardly sounds like Israel running the show here.







Another ironic thing is that Israeli-Arabs, who are Palestinians that never left their homes during the wars between Israel and its neighbors have the most freedoms and quality of life of Arabs in any part of the Arab world. They've done surveys and nearly 90% would prefer to live in Israel than anywhere else. They are full citizens under Israeli law and have Israeli passports. They aren't required to serve in the military, though doing so opens up way more doors. They have the freedom to vote, serve in government, worship as they please (there are mosques and churches Israel, try finding a synagogue or church in Saudi Arabia), and don't have to serve in the military.

So when you remove emotion and natural biases out of the equation, the situation in the Middle East looks a lot different.