Post: #151

(12-26-2013 10:03 PM)GameTheory Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 05:38 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  It is interesting how the socialists right-wing fascists used that principle eighty years ago in Germany and still use it today --[...] Liberals right-wing fascists never seem to have any new ideas.

fixed it for ya

Nazi = "National Socialist Democratic Worker's Party" (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei)

We have officially gotten far afield of the Duck Dynasty controversy.

Post: #152

Reductio ad Hitlerum.

Post: #153

(12-26-2013 10:33 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 10:03 PM)GameTheory Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 05:38 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  It is interesting how the socialists right-wing fascists used that principle eighty years ago in Germany and still use it today --[...] Liberals right-wing fascists never seem to have any new ideas.

fixed it for ya

Nazi = "National Socialist Democratic Worker's Party" (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei)

We have officially gotten far afield of the Duck Dynasty controversy.

Quote:This is a misunderstanding of 1930s-era semantics.

'Socialist' was to 1930s German politics what 'Change' was to American politics at the tail-end of the last decade. A meaningless buzzword with universally positive connotations in the eyes of the populace.

Socialists of the day would attest, that there was absolutely nothing at all ‘socialist’ about the Nazis beyond the word being used in the title of the Nazi party; indeed, it was socialists in the main with whom Hitler’s Brownshirts battled in the streets of Germany prior to Hitler becoming Chancellor in 1933 and rounding up and execution of most of the socialists in Germany.

In the early days, Germans believed that the word ‘socialist’ in the Nazi party’s name actually did mean that Hitler’s party had socialist leanings and for a while Hitler was quite happy to allow the myth to continue as he built up the party’s numbers and strength using its following to give the party an air of popularity.

Nazism was at its core, hierarchical, whereas the ideological root of socialism was equality.

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Quote:by 1Planet1People Tuesday, Aug. 02, 2005 at 12:06 AM

The National Socialist Movement was distorted into a "Native National Socialist Movement" thinking that national socialism was the goal for the natives of Germany (Aryan Nation). While the international socialists view all people of all faiths and races as equal and advocates the elimination of borders that keep us separated. That is why the international socialists (USSR) fought against the national socialists (Nazis). These two groups are fundamentally opposed to each other. To associate the two together is to equivocate based on name and it is a fallacy because though the name is similar, the philosophy is contradictory to each other.

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/07/133856_comment.php

Post: #154

Inevitabilities in RVF discourse:

Race, specifically blacks and whites.
Alpha/beta analysis (thankfully this one's tapered off)
Nazis
Blaming feminism for everything (not that I disagree)

What else am I forgetting?

Post: #155

(12-26-2013 10:51 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Inevitabilities in RVF discourse:

Race, specifically blacks and whites.
Alpha/beta analysis (thankfully this one's tapered off)
Nazis
Blaming feminism for everything (not that I disagree)

What else am I forgetting?

" them homos are destroying 'Murka !!! "

Post: #156

(12-26-2013 10:51 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Inevitabilities in RVF discourse:

Race, specifically blacks and whites.
Alpha/beta analysis (thankfully this one's tapered off)
Nazis
Blaming feminism for everything (not that I disagree)

What else am I forgetting?

Baking Soda as the solution to everything.

Post: #157

(12-26-2013 10:51 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Inevitabilities in RVF discourse:

Race, specifically blacks and whites.
Alpha/beta analysis (thankfully this one's tapered off)
Nazis
Blaming feminism for everything (not that I disagree)

What else am I forgetting?

Apple Cider Vinegar.

Post: #158

(12-26-2013 10:50 PM)GameTheory Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 10:33 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 10:03 PM)GameTheory Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 05:38 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  It is interesting how the socialists right-wing fascists used that principle eighty years ago in Germany and still use it today --[...] Liberals right-wing fascists never seem to have any new ideas.

fixed it for ya

Nazi = "National Socialist Democratic Worker's Party" (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei)

We have officially gotten far afield of the Duck Dynasty controversy.

Quote:This is a misunderstanding of 1930s-era semantics.

'Socialist' was to 1930s German politics what 'Change' was to American politics at the tail-end of the last decade. A meaningless buzzword with universally positive connotations in the eyes of the populace.

Socialists of the day would attest, that there was absolutely nothing at all ‘socialist’ about the Nazis beyond the word being used in the title of the Nazi party; indeed, it was socialists in the main with whom Hitler’s Brownshirts battled in the streets of Germany prior to Hitler becoming Chancellor in 1933 and rounding up and execution of most of the socialists in Germany.

In the early days, Germans believed that the word ‘socialist’ in the Nazi party’s name actually did mean that Hitler’s party had socialist leanings and for a while Hitler was quite happy to allow the myth to continue as he built up the party’s numbers and strength using its following to give the party an air of popularity.

Nazism was at its core, hierarchical, whereas the ideological root of socialism was equality.

/thread-29387-...#pid564577

Quote:by 1Planet1People Tuesday, Aug. 02, 2005 at 12:06 AM

The National Socialist Movement was distorted into a "Native National Socialist Movement" thinking that national socialism was the goal for the natives of Germany (Aryan Nation). While the international socialists view all people of all faiths and races as equal and advocates the elimination of borders that keep us separated. That is why the international socialists (USSR) fought against the national socialists (Nazis). These two groups are fundamentally opposed to each other. To associate the two together is to equivocate based on name and it is a fallacy because though the name is similar, the philosophy is contradictory to each other.

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/07/133856_comment.php

That's great. Your two sources are (1) a banned forum member and (2) an organization that bills itself as "anti-capitalist collective." You would have more credibility quoting Donald Duck.

Nazi is an acronym for the "National Socialist German Workers' Party," which was a form of socialism. The whole right-wing thing is an urban myth. The fact is that fascists, communists, and hard-core socialists are all totalitarian. The Nazis fought the red communists.

The Nazi political agenda was quite socialist and included a demand for the nationalization of all industries, a demand for the division of profits in all heavy industries, a large scale expansion of old age welfare, land reform, and educational reforms. Those are all socialist wealth redistribution goals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program

Hitler even ordered the creation of Volkswagon, which means "the people's wagon," as a low-cost way to provide transportation to the masses.

Post: #159

(12-26-2013 10:53 PM)GameTheory Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 10:51 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Inevitabilities in RVF discourse:

Race, specifically blacks and whites.
Alpha/beta analysis (thankfully this one's tapered off)
Nazis
Blaming feminism for everything (not that I disagree)

What else am I forgetting?

" them homos are destroying 'Murka !!! "

This only happens in the minds of liberals who watch too much MSNBC and don't spend any actual time reading conservative books/websites.

Post: #160

Went to the movies tonight and during the pre-movie advertisements there was not one but two advertisements featuring gays getting "married" and kissing. Neither of these ads had anything to do with politics, but they decided to shove it in my face anyway. Still waiting on an ad that celebrates gays getting thrown out of a church.

Post: #161

this thread was interesting and relevant for about a minute till it went the way of near every political thread, less on topic more how can I bash liberals.

While we're so out in left field, linking Nazis and lefties is inaccurate and accurate at the same time but still a weak effort overall to discredit the left. Ideologically a facist regime may have more in common with the left than the right but we're talking political theory here not reality. In reality the nazis don't fall into either of the wests versions of the left or the right. They would be a 3rd entity entirely. Saying they're socialist because they had socialist in their title is a weak argument and ignore their actions for their banner, by that token is the democratic people party of north korea a democracy? actions not words define what we are. Hitlers nazi party was almost devoid of a true ideology adopting whatever it needed to take control then once having it became entirely a different beast... radical, expansionist, totalitarian, facist, with a sprinkling of socialist. The easiest argument to make is one that many of us employ today in talking about people, you are who your friends are, you represent who you associate with, if you follow that line of thinking the answer of which side he falls closer to is clear and skews heavily right and to wealthy industrialists. That is over simplifying in my mind however as I still believe in todays context nazis fall within neither spectrum other than when either side is trying to insult the other by linking them to the most hated regime in history. Left/right just doesnt accurately describe entirely the nazi experience so there is little but wasted effort trying to compartmentalize it... arguments and solid ones could be made for either side and they would be both be right and wrong.

Post: #162

(12-27-2013 08:51 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  While we're so out in left field, linking Nazis and lefties is inaccurate and accurate at the same time but still a weak effort overall to discredit the left.

Seriously? You're going to try to make that argument here -- in defiance of all reality.

Go take a look at who first brought up Nazis on this thread. Hint: posts 148 and 152.

Post: #163

This article convincingly demonstrates that what we are dealing with is radical leftist thugs bringing tyranny and it actually has little to do with treatment of homosexuals.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/12/rober...l-marxism/

Post: #164

This "controversy" will only make the show even more popular among the bible-thumping set, much the same way the "Chick-fil-a controversy" made Chick-fil-a more popular among the bible-thumping set.

Expect Phil to return soon to the show and for A&E to do a mea culpa.

Post: #165

We get a better picture if we look at it from a spiritual/cultural perspective instead of an economic perspective.

In the simplest of terms, communism seeks to destroy a native culture and instill an alien ideology, fascism embraces a native culture and seeks to expel alien influences.

Phil Robertson could start a movement and call it The Communist League of America, but if it culturally and spiritually embraces traditional American Christian values and marginalizes those who oppose them, it would still be fascist in nature.

If GameTheory started a movement called the American Fascist Front and sought to further normalize values that were traditionally alien to American traditional culture, it would still be communist.

Looking at these large ideological battles in terms of economics is itself a synthetic paradigm pushed by the victors who write the history. The real battle has always been for control of souls, and should be interpreted as such.

Post: #166

(12-27-2013 03:53 PM)Sawyer Wrote:  We get a better picture if we look at it from a spiritual/cultural perspective instead of an economic perspective.

In the simplest of terms, communism seeks to destroy a native culture and instill an alien ideology, fascism embraces a native culture and seeks to expel alien influences.

Phil Robertson could start a movement and call it The Communist League of America, but if it culturally and spiritually embraces traditional American Christian values and marginalizes those who oppose them, it would still be fascist in nature.

If GameTheory started a movement called the American Fascist Front and sought to further normalize values that were traditionally alien to American traditional culture, it would still be communist.

Looking at these large ideological battles in terms of economics is itself a synthetic paradigm pushed by the victors who write the history. The real battle has always been for control of souls, and should be interpreted as such.

Post: #167

(12-27-2013 01:49 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 10:53 PM)GameTheory Wrote:  

(12-26-2013 10:51 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Inevitabilities in RVF discourse:

Race, specifically blacks and whites.
Alpha/beta analysis (thankfully this one's tapered off)
Nazis
Blaming feminism for everything (not that I disagree)

What else am I forgetting?

" them homos are destroying 'Murka !!! "

This only frequently happens in the minds of liberals born-again x-tian conservatives who watch too much MSNBC FUX Nooooz and don't spend any actual time reading conservative books/websites.

fixed it for ya

Post: #168

(12-27-2013 03:14 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  This "controversy" will only make the show even more popular among the bible-thumping set, much the same way the "Chick-fil-a controversy" made Chick-fil-a more popular among the bible-thumping set.

Expect Phil to return soon to the show and for A&E to do a mea culpa.

The next season is already in the can and starts next month IIRC, so when people tune in our favorite christian, misogynist pig will be front and center.

Great pub for the show.

Post: #169

Hey GameTheory, when are you going to start writing legitimate well thought out responses instead of repeatedly trying to slam your emotional rhetoric over our heads?

Post: #170

(12-27-2013 03:53 PM)Sawyer Wrote:  We get a better picture if we look at it from a spiritual/cultural perspective instead of an economic perspective.

In the simplest of terms, communism seeks to destroy a native culture and instill an alien ideology, fascism embraces a native culture and seeks to expel alien influences.

That is a very interesting observation, and undeniably true regarding the emphasis on nationalist virtues in fascism versus implanting a foreign influence (Marxism) in communism and socialism, but I believe that it is still only one factor -- and probably not the determinative one.

Fascism, red communism, and hard-core socialism all create totalitarian states. That is what they have in common.

Fascism (like monarchism) is usually the least murderous and least economically destructive, because it leaves capitalism in place, i.e., private property ownership and the ability to form contracts. It typically leaves the economic system in place. That is what Nazism did.

But if you view Nazism through the prism of fascism, it is highly aberrational in regard to its mass murder component and social welfare programs. Those aberrations, however, make perfect sense when viewed through the lens of socialism, as evidenced by the subsequent murderous purges in the Soviet Union and Communist China (and Cuba, Cambodia, and elsewhere).

Post: #171

Oh snap! AE flip flops and lifts Robertson's suspension. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ae-lifts-phi...uspension/

Spazzed out liberals eat crow.

Post: #172

Cracker Barrel pulled all 'Duck Dynasty' merchanise at the first hint of the controversy, then apologised and restocked due to protests.

Cracker Barrel About Face

I suspect the steep rise in Social Consequences fucktardedness this year is finally waking people up.

Post: #173

(12-27-2013 04:16 PM)GameTheory Wrote:   fixed it for ya

(12-26-2013 10:03 PM)GameTheory Wrote:   fixed it for ya

THIS one is for GAME THEORY.

I noticed that you've been banned. It is rather unfortunate, since i quite enjoy the content and style of your post.

You are one funny motherfucker.(well, SOMBRO is another seriously funny lad).

I have to pour one for you, game theory....



Best of luck in your future journey.....

regards,

Nemencine.

(addendum: apparently, best way to get banned or suspended is through increased participation in the everything else section --- 2nd on that scale is the game section... ----3rd on that scale is the Travel section ---> 4th on that scale is the the lifestyle section ... -------> ....and 5th on that scale is the knowledge arts and letters section. In fact, i dont recall people being banned for what they post in the Knowledge,arts and letters section. )

Post: #174

^ I'd repped GT before. Liked his posts on other topics. We all have bad days, but, hey, it's not my board.

Post: #175

HE'S BAAACK!

And Lindy "Too Fat To Fly" West is in tears! http://jezebel.com/a-e-puts-duck-dynasty...1490615684