(12-23-2013 03:25 PM)Eddie Morra Wrote:  I'm just saying what I've seen first hand and I travel frequently between Frankfurt and Strasbourg by train. I've even been in a van with French plates being pulled over by German border officers for spot checks, it happens. I believe that you do need your passport when you cross international borders, regardless if they are both in Schengen or not.

The Schengen basically took down border posts between countries and allowed people freedom of movement without having to stop at border checkpoints everytime they crossed a border. However, that did not eliminate they need for citizens to carry their passports when crossing a border from one EU country to another, even for EU citizens(their passport is proof of their EU citizenship anyway).

Like I said, countries can enforce their own border controls when they feel a need to and it happens from time to time. Even if you have a residency permit, which is fine if you are living inside the country where you work, but when crossing international borders even daily for work, even for EU citizens, you still need to carry a passport.

I can attest to this, as it's happened to me a few times within the Schengen area. For EU citizens, they can just use their ID card (or probably driver's license) to prove citizenship so that's why there's not a concern with them carrying around passports.

For me, I was stopped once while driving between EU countries in Schengen, and another time when arriving into Spain via air from another EU Schengen country, they had everyone go through passport control and checked documents.

Sounds like poland is a good loophole then. So fly into poland stay for as long as you want then go to germany for a day and buy something to gave a receipt. Then come back to poland to fly out wiyhout penalty by showibg yhen proof I wasn't there in last days?

(12-23-2013 03:25 PM)Eddie Morra Wrote:  Like I said, countries can enforce their own border controls when they feel a need to and it happens from time to time. Even if you have a residency permit, which is fine if you are living inside the country where you work, but when crossing international borders even daily for work, even for EU citizens, you still need to carry a passport.

A year or so ago, some northern EU nations (especially Germany) began tightening control of their borders because Africans were making their way to the shores of Italy and then working their way north where work is more plentiful. The point is that EU nations still control their own borders and still periodically tighten control of those areas.

Any more data on this 'loophole' really working. Reason I am asking is because I came into the Schengen Zone through Warsaw (connecting to Prague, but was stamped in Poland) and am really wondering if this works. I guess I'll find out? Getting only 90 out of 180 days in Europe is clearly sub-optimal but risking being banned for years from EU travel after overstaying is a little scary. But as the OP indicated, once I'm in Schengen after entering via Poland, it would take a lot of research to figure out I didn't actually live in Poland (as long as I exit via Poland I assume).

(12-23-2013 08:37 AM)Inspired Wrote:  No. Germany is strict as fuck. 90 days maximum and then you need to leave for 6 months. Period.

To be clear, if you stay for 90 days, you only need to be gone for another 90 days.

A friend of mine has been for five years in Ireland, he got a student visa and subscribe to random cheap courses.

So I can throw this hole exctement in the trash bin because I am from Canada?

Considering the great advantages Canadians seem to have travelling, it seems rather lame that this loophole lets Americans stay as long as they want in EEUU and Canadians no.

I hope Canadians can also do this in Poland. Why only Americans?

Google search for The Poland Loophole visa yields little aside from this thread coming up at the top. You would think that there would be more written about it in many other blogs, forums, sites, and such, since thousands and thousands would absolutely love to live in Europe indefinitely without restrictions if they can.

3rd world Mexico Honduras, Nicaragua ect can, but Canada no? What kind of agreement is this?

Argentina
Brasilia
Chile
Croatia
Honduras
Israel
Japan
South Korea
Costa Rica
Malaysia
Mexico
Nicaragua
Panama
Singapore
USA
Uruguay

(01-29-2014 02:41 PM)Ilovejaneandfinch Wrote:  So I can throw this hole exctement in the trash bin because I am from Canada?

Considering the great advantages Canadians seem to have travelling, it seems rather lame that this loophole lets Americans stay as long as they want in EEUU and Canadians no.

I hope Canadians can also do this in Poland. Why only Americans?

Why? because Poles like Americans and learning American English, and ALL claim to have family in USA!Plus we (NATO) protect them from the big bear in the east And as you said you have other advantages in other places.
Maybe they hate maple syrup? or "oh Canada" gives them ringing ears, lol j/k
Or I can give you the REAL reason.. that Poland wrote a law back after the break up of the USSR that granted Americans access. This is way before EU membership. They seem to want to honor it...but don't want it "out" so as not to anger EU. That's why you can't find it anywhere but the custom guards know.But i assume many don't?

(01-27-2014 08:56 AM)William Windsor Wrote:  

(12-23-2013 08:37 AM)Inspired Wrote:  No. Germany is strict as fuck. 90 days maximum and then you need to leave for 6 months. Period.

To be clear, if you stay for 90 days, you only need to be gone for another 90 days.

There's loopholes. I know a lot of guys working on U.S. military bases that stay 365. Germany got tired of Americans coming over and making six figures and not paying taxes. Greedy bastards.

(01-29-2014 03:20 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(01-29-2014 02:41 PM)Ilovejaneandfinch Wrote:  So I can throw this hole exctement in the trash bin because I am from Canada?

Considering the great advantages Canadians seem to have travelling, it seems rather lame that this loophole lets Americans stay as long as they want in EEUU and Canadians no.

I hope Canadians can also do this in Poland. Why only Americans?

Why? because Poles like Americans and learning American English, and ALL claim to have family in USA!Plus we (NATO) protect them from the big bear in the east And as you said you have other advantages in other places.
Maybe they hate maple syrup? or "oh Canada" gives them ringing ears, lol j/k
Or I can give you the REAL reason.. that Poland wrote a law back after the break up of the USSR that granted Americans access. This is way before EU membership. They seem to want to honor it...but don't want it "out" so as not to anger EU. That's why you can't find it anywhere but the custom guards know.But i assume many don't?

It was right after posting that that I noticed the other list of countries on the list. So it seems to not be an american thing, it is literally a random list of countries from some of the poorest to richest. Mexico is in, Canada not, USA is in, Australia not, Nicaragua is in. Really weird and random. But I already ditched the EEUU idea anyways and found out about how great the Philippines is for easiness of both girls AND visa (or better said, no visa).

Phillipines is more economical anyways. I can stay for a really long time there comfortably without finantial issues, so I guess there is no need to fret about not taking advantage of the EU thing. I just go where the sun and the many good women are

(01-29-2014 05:14 PM)Ilovejaneandfinch Wrote:  

(01-29-2014 03:20 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(01-29-2014 02:41 PM)Ilovejaneandfinch Wrote:  So I can throw this hole exctement in the trash bin because I am from Canada?

Considering the great advantages Canadians seem to have travelling, it seems rather lame that this loophole lets Americans stay as long as they want in EEUU and Canadians no.

I hope Canadians can also do this in Poland. Why only Americans?

Why? because Poles like Americans and learning American English, and ALL claim to have family in USA!Plus we (NATO) protect them from the big bear in the east And as you said you have other advantages in other places.
Maybe they hate maple syrup? or "oh Canada" gives them ringing ears, lol j/k
Or I can give you the REAL reason.. that Poland wrote a law back after the break up of the USSR that granted Americans access. This is way before EU membership. They seem to want to honor it...but don't want it "out" so as not to anger EU. That's why you can't find it anywhere but the custom guards know.But i assume many don't?

It was right after posting that that I noticed the other list of countries on the list. So it seems to not be an american thing, it is literally a random list of countries from some of the poorest to richest. Mexico is in, Canada not, USA is in, Australia not, Nicaragua is in. Really weird and random. But I already ditched the EEUU idea anyways and found out about how great the Philippines is for easiness of both girls AND visa (or better said, no visa).

Phillipines is more economical anyways. I can stay for a really long time there comfortably without finantial issues, so I guess there is no need to fret about not taking advantage of the EU thing. I just go where the sun and the many good women are

out of curiosity where did you get the list?
Many countries often get included in visa less travel /limitations simply because of reciprocation.How long does Canada allow them to stay?

(01-29-2014 05:24 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(01-29-2014 05:14 PM)Ilovejaneandfinch Wrote:  

(01-29-2014 03:20 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(01-29-2014 02:41 PM)Ilovejaneandfinch Wrote:  So I can throw this hole exctement in the trash bin because I am from Canada?

Considering the great advantages Canadians seem to have travelling, it seems rather lame that this loophole lets Americans stay as long as they want in EEUU and Canadians no.

I hope Canadians can also do this in Poland. Why only Americans?

Why? because Poles like Americans and learning American English, and ALL claim to have family in USA!Plus we (NATO) protect them from the big bear in the east And as you said you have other advantages in other places.
Maybe they hate maple syrup? or "oh Canada" gives them ringing ears, lol j/k
Or I can give you the REAL reason.. that Poland wrote a law back after the break up of the USSR that granted Americans access. This is way before EU membership. They seem to want to honor it...but don't want it "out" so as not to anger EU. That's why you can't find it anywhere but the custom guards know.But i assume many don't?

It was right after posting that that I noticed the other list of countries on the list. So it seems to not be an american thing, it is literally a random list of countries from some of the poorest to richest. Mexico is in, Canada not, USA is in, Australia not, Nicaragua is in. Really weird and random. But I already ditched the EEUU idea anyways and found out about how great the Philippines is for easiness of both girls AND visa (or better said, no visa).

Phillipines is more economical anyways. I can stay for a really long time there comfortably without finantial issues, so I guess there is no need to fret about not taking advantage of the EU thing. I just go where the sun and the many good women are

out of curiosity where did you get the list?
Many countries often get included in visa less travel /limitations simply because of reciprocation.How long does Canada allow them to stay?

That list was in one of the linked websites given by the OP. Canadians can stay 3 months max in EU.

(12-23-2013 02:54 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Ukraine it is 90 days within 180 days. I don't know if they are enforcing but it isn't something I would bet on when dealing with that country.

Las time I was there it was enforced at the airport. 90 days 90 out.Polite cute chicks had me string or an hour while they figured out my $100 fine, but they let me get on my plane. I sent the money to a friend to pay the fine.

Exiting and re-entering by land people were getting away with it, but it's just cause the guards are slack.

A couple more links, showing recognition by Switzerland/EU of bilateral agreements

http://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home/reps...ntPar_0020

http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/wha...ual_en.pdf

(06-10-2012 08:47 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  Does anyone know off hand, what the fine is? For overstaying your visa?

I'm in an odd situation. I overstayed the 90 days. Got a temporary residents permit.
But the permit only gave me a three month extension. And is suppose to expire at the end of the month.

But I plan to stay about two weeks into july.

Referencing a post I made years ago. I was in germany at the time.
It took me a full day to get a temporarily visa.
I literally just printed of a screenshot of my bank account to prove i wasnt poor.
I refused to pay for insurance at the time( I told them I would get it later)
They gave me a 3 month extension to get my paperwork together....which i simply used to stay 3 months longer and leave
It wasnt easy..but it wasnt extremely hard to do ..even in germany
just a lot of bureaucratic bullshit(like everywhere else)

I almost had problems leaving...my plane out was on the day my temp visa expired..and they were almost tempted to hold me and fine me 300 euro in the airport.

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Ill be traveling back to europe again pretty soon.

Assuming I fly straight into Poland.
Am I stamped with a EU stamp?
Does my time in the EU start there?
Ill be in Poland and Hungary for almost two weeks before I even step in Germany.

Most likely I will take a plane to England for a week before my visa expires. I figure since the UK isnt Shengen..I could stay there for a week or two before going back to the States.

For the record. Are there any countries in the area that i could travel to...that would essentially restart my visa?
Going from Germany to Poland back to Germany seems like it wouldnt do anything if I was flying out of Germany.

If i took a trip to say..Turkey or Moracco for a week...would my visa restart in the shengen?
Or with the cheapness of norwegian air... I could extend my time a little longer and leave from a scandinavian country

(03-04-2014 10:47 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  Assuming I fly straight into Poland.
Am I stamped with a EU stamp?
Does my time in the EU start there?

Most likely I will take a plane to England for a week before my visa expires. I figure since the UK isnt Shengen..I could stay there for a week or two before going back to the States.

Entering Poland from outside Shengen means you're entering Shengen and you'll get the stamp in your passport. I'm not sure how much the stamp itself matters anyway -- they have the data on your entry in their computer from scanning your passport when you arrive in Poland.

UK isn't Shengen so indeed that won't count towards your stay in Shengen area. You'll get your passport stamped on your way out, then stamped as you enter the UK.

There's no way to "restart" a Schengen visa, except by leaving the entire region for 90 days, then coming back. If you leave for one day or one week, your previous stay is still counted. (This is for countries without bilateral agreements with the USA, of course)

FYI, Denmark is similar to Poland in allowing stays beyond 90 days in a 180-day period:

http://australien.um.dk/en/travel-and-re...greements/

http://www.nyidanmark.dk/en-us/coming_to...travel.htm

(03-04-2014 11:12 PM)paninaro Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 10:47 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  Assuming I fly straight into Poland.
Am I stamped with a EU stamp?
Does my time in the EU start there?

Most likely I will take a plane to England for a week before my visa expires. I figure since the UK isnt Shengen..I could stay there for a week or two before going back to the States.

Entering Poland from outside Shengen means you're entering Shengen and you'll get the stamp in your passport. I'm not sure how much the stamp itself matters anyway -- they have the data on your entry in their computer from scanning your passport when you arrive in Poland.

UK isn't Shengen so indeed that won't count towards your stay in Shengen area. You'll get your passport stamped on your way out, then stamped as you enter the UK.

Just to let everyone know. The UK does not have a exit stamp. Its all electronic when you purchase a plane ticket or train ticket out of the country. When you are purchasing the ticket you enter in your passport information that's checked with UK immigration. The same thing as the US, Canada, and New Zealand.

(03-04-2014 11:53 PM)jasond Wrote:  There's no way to "restart" a Schengen visa, except by leaving the entire region for 90 days, then coming back. If you leave for one day or one week, your previous stay is still counted. (This is for countries without bilateral agreements with the USA, of course)

FYI, Denmark is similar to Poland in allowing stays beyond 90 days in a 180-day period:

http://australien.um.dk/en/travel-and-re...greements/

http://www.nyidanmark.dk/en-us/coming_to...travel.htm

This is a nice find. Didn't know about that about Denmark. Wish I knew about it earlier. So basically I can stay in any EU country except a Nordic country for 90 days. Then enter Denmark for 90 days without it counting towards the original 90 days in the Schengen.

Citizens of certain countries are entitled to stay in Denmark for 90 days, regardless of stays in other Schengen countries

"Citizens of Australia, Canada, Chile, Israel, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand, Singapore, South Korea and the US can freely enter and stay in Denmark for up to 90 days in any 180-day period, regardless of whether they have stayed in another Schengen country prior to entry into Denmark. The 90 days are counted from the entry date into Denmark or another Nordic country. If you have previously spent time in Denmark or another Nordic country within the previous 180 days, that time will be deducted from the 90-day maximum."

unfortunately..it would be useless to move from a shengen to a Scandinavian country.
the cost of living is ridiculous.
if your going there to get around 90 day laws..You probably don't have the means to live in Scandinavia.

if you were making that much money..You would probably have a job aka work visa or residence permit.


I dated a Croatian girl that stayed in Germany for three months..went back to Croatia for a week and came back.
she could have done this illegally..I didn't ask the details.
I'm sure Croatia has completely different laws.

(12-23-2013 09:21 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  Long ass blog, and I quit at France, but some of the information seems legit. Better double check though.

http://www.nomadicmatt.com/travel-blogs/...n-90-days/


All I know is Americans get a 1 year visa from Georgia, and in general going through a local lawyer can make things happen. Generally. Sometimes you gotta pay to play.

Quote:Be Self Employed – Germany offers a “self-employment” visa. If you are a freelancer and have some form of income, this is the visa to get. It’s perfect and will give you one to two years in the EU. This isn’t a business visa where you move your company to Germany but a visa for contract workers, artists, web folks, and other freelance type jobs. You need to apply for this visa when in Germany.

You can apply for this visa while you are in Germany and the process usually takes about a week. You simply need the following documents to your visa appointment:

I may have to look into this self employed visa just in case.
last time I was in Germany. they didn't actually check if I had money.
a print out of a bank balance could be easily falsified.
I would never have fake papers. but i don't see why it wouldn't be easy to prove I am self employed through online investments and such.


__________
I may be under this Poland loophole though.
I enter Poland and have receipts from hotels/airbnb rentals. I should essentially be able to stay somewhere like Hungary or Germany for 90 days...then go back to Poland and stay longer? before leaving

Poland

^^^

For your guys doing the location independent thing in Europe, I'd seriously look into the German freelance income visa:

http://raptcat.com/2013/08/08/how-to-get...n-germany/

Seems like it's pretty easy to get so long as you can prove you are generating income. I'm guessing you can live anywhere in Schengen and not just Germany.

(06-03-2014 02:28 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  ^^^

For your guys doing the location independent thing in Europe, I'd seriously look into the German freelance income visa:

http://raptcat.com/2013/08/08/how-to-get...n-germany/

Seems like it's pretty easy to get so long as you can prove you are generating income. I'm guessing you can live anywhere in Schengen and not just Germany.

I think you can only live in Germany with it. Yes, you can travel unlimited to other countries in Schengen de facto as there are no border checks but you couldn't for example legally live in another Schengen country, and when you are applying for an extension on the visa it is likely you will need to document address in Germany as well as income generated, probably included rent paid for the whole time.

There's another interested one called the Dutch American Friendship Treat (DAFT) whereby Americans can start a business in The Netherlands provided they have at least 5000 euros capital and a reasonable business plan, due to an agreement from the 1950s. But again it only applies to The Netherlands, not the Schengen Zone as a whole, and it can even lead to a Dutch passport after 5 years, though The Netherlands does not allow dual citizenship in this instance.