Post: #26

(11-03-2013 04:03 PM)Fisto Wrote:  Unfortunately it's the good ole USA.

She knows my full name. I'm not opposed to disappearing.

She just went to the doctors. I told her I want to see proof that she's pregnant.

She sent me images of home tests and I ran them through Tineye. The seem to be legit.

Do courts have to physically summon me?

This couldn't come at a worse time to be honest.

Ouch!

Especially if she has money. I don't think there is much you can do. If she does prove you are the father, and with money she may be able to go to court in order to do so, you won't really be able to run from it.

They can take your passport away for past due child support payments.

I would be cutting my income down as much as possible to insure there wouldn't be much of a payment. That is, if she is really pregnant and it's yours. I had a friend run all of his money through his own company so he was able to pay a low salary to cut down his payments.

She could also be lying and got knocked up by someone else.

I would make sure she knew I wouldn't be part of the kid's life or hers. Maybe that will call her bluff, if she is bluffing.

Post: #27

She's maybe a month pregnant.

If I just disappear and become unreachable can I still be found liable? How would they even go about it? What if I don't have a job?

How can she find my bank accounts etc?

Post: #28

i'll bet on it that the kid isnt yours, we all know women and morals dont go together, do as Bacon says in the article and use the cold approach because she's probing you for weaknesses right now.

Post: #29

(11-03-2013 03:48 PM)Fisto Wrote:  I've got a girl claiming she's pregnant, I never came inside her and she said she was on the pill. (I think she was shoving my cum inside her when she went to the bathroom)

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/pregnancy/AN00281

According to this article sperm can live outside the body for up to several hours, so its feasible I guess. Her shoving it inside her isn't the same as direct injection, but you never know.

http://www.webmd.com/infertility-and-rep...-semen-faq

Man up and do the right thing. Borrow someones kid and tell her its yours, and that your sperm is warped from all the chems and experiments the military subjected you to, and you can never have a normal baby.

Post: #30

I'll offer my opinion for whatever it's worth.

It sounds like she isn't in it for the money. How much would you say this girl likes you? If she really likes you, then it sounds like she might just be doing this to ensure she personally owns your attention. If I were you I'd tell her you'll be happy to pay the child support, but you won't be part of her life if she chooses to have a child. Make it clear to this bitch that she stands to gain nothing she doesn't already have. Give her no incentive to carry it to term.

She won't believe you if you say you refuse to pay, she knows she legally owns you, so the better option would be to reframe.

And if she still chooses to carry it to term you have three options. 1) Pay, 2) Jail, 3) Disappear.

Post: #31

(11-03-2013 04:15 PM)Fisto Wrote:  She's maybe a month pregnant.

If I just disappear and become unreachable can I still be found liable? How would they even go about it? What if I don't have a job?

How can she find my bank accounts etc?

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/p...29847.html

Quote:Alleged father. An unmarried man who impregnates a woman is often referred to as an alleged father, or sometimes simply as an unwed father. An alleged or unwed father will be required to pay child support if a court determines or he acknowledges that he's the father; in addition, an alleged or unwed father has the right to visitation with his child and may seek custody.

It sounds like you need to prove you are not the father otherwise you may end up if the court feels like you are. Sounds pretty fucked up.

Bank accounts in the US would be easy to find. I think it would be better to head out of country. Still, you would have passports problems with back child support payments.

No job wouldn't matter if you are ordered child support payments. Plenty of men in jail for losing their jobs and not keeping up with the payments.

Post: #32

(11-03-2013 04:21 PM)Wadsworth Wrote:  I'll offer my opinion for whatever it's worth.

It sounds like she isn't in it for the money. How much would you say this girl likes you? If she really likes you, then it sounds like she might just be doing this to ensure she personally owns your attention. If I were you I'd tell her you'll be happy to pay the child support, but you won't be part of her life if she chooses to have a child. Make it clear to this bitch that she stands to gain nothing she doesn't already have. Give her no incentive to carry it to term.

She won't believe you if you say you refuse to pay, she knows she legally owns you, so the better option would be to reframe.

And if she still chooses to carry it to term you have three options. 1) Pay, 2) Jail, 3) Disappear.

It doesn't matter if she needs money or not. I had a friend who knocked up a chick before we met in college. She didn't need the money because her parents where taking care of everything. She still fucked him hard simply because he rejected her. It was very harsh and the guy was trying to get through college so he could support his girl better. It didn't matter to her.

Based on what little Fisto wrote, it sounds like he may be dealing with someone who is trying to control him in the same manner.

Post: #33

I'm 99.9% sure it's mine. This girl has slept with one other guy in her life.

I have to assume she's going to carry it to term. She's obsessed with me.

She's Laotian and speaks shitty english. She constantly misunderstands me and flips out. There is no chance of reasoning with her.

Post: #34

(11-03-2013 04:31 PM)Fisto Wrote:  I'm 99.9% sure it's mine. This girl has slept with one other guy in her life.

I have to assume she's going to carry it to term. She's obsessed with me.

She's Laotian and speaks shitty english. She constantly misunderstands me and flips out. There is no chance of reasoning with her.

Well, if it was me, I wouldn't try running from it. I think making myself available in order to defend myself would be a better alternative. I would rather be there when discussing child support payments (after taking a dna test to confirm).

I just don't think it's possible to run from this but maybe some of our lawyers here can pop in with some advice. I would still tell her never to contact me and I would not have anything to do with her or the kid. Maybe that will knock some sense into her.

Edited to add: Never admit to anything. You don't want to give her anything that can be used against you. Cut all contact off.

Post: #35

Child support and passports don't mix. Keep those payments up or plan on never returning to the U.S.

Post: #36

Is she a US citizen? Just tell her in a very business like tone that you will expect a DNA test. You will pay child support only if ordered to by the court. You will have no contact with the child. Cease all other communication.

What ever you do, do NOT marry her!!

Post: #37

Alright, well as entangled as this may get, I think I definitely need some lawyerly advice from RVF members.

There's a few other things as well that may deter her from trying to railroad me.

Post: #38

(11-03-2013 04:50 PM)Fisto Wrote:  Alright, well as entangled as this may get, I think I definitely need some lawyerly advice from RVF members.

There's a few other things as well that may deter her from trying to railroad me.

When I get free, I'll give you my thoughts. I'm going over a fee agreement with a new client right now.

Post: #39

Well, first of all she may or may not be pregnant. She could be lying and home tests are not necessarily reliable. First, make sure you find out what the reality is.

If she isn't pregnant then obviously you never fuck her again and you're good to go.

If she is pregnant, I think the best course of action might be the following:

1. Make it clear to her that you have no interest in children and marriage. Make it clear that if she gives birth to a child you will never see the child and will not be a father to it in any way.

2. Tell her the next time you talk to her or see her again has to be after she's either had an abortion or you taking her to the abortion clinic. Make it clear that you will see her again, but only under those circumstances.

3. Offer her to pay for the abortion even if she can afford it.

Since the girl is obsessed with you, the child is her way of trying to keep you. So your strategy has to be to make her think that what she is doing is guaranteed to achieve the opposite goal: she will certainly lose you if she keeps the child, but you're open to seeing her again if she doesn't.

Your tone throughout should be gentle but firm. If she just feels scorned and rejected, being a woman she may go through with it purely out of spite. But if you make it clear that you are rejecting the child but not her, that in fact the only way for her to hold on to you is not to have a child you're not ready for, and that this is the only way she'll ever see you or talk to you or fuck you again, then you could turn her obsession with you to your advantage.

Post: #40

(11-03-2013 05:07 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  Well, first of all she may or may not be pregnant. She could be lying and home tests are not necessarily reliable. First, make sure you find out what the reality is.

If she isn't pregnant then obviously you never fuck her again and you're good to go.

If she is pregnant, I think the best course of action might be the following:

1. Make it clear to her that you have no interest in children and marriage. Make it clear that if she gives birth to a child you will never see the child and will not be a father to it in any way.

2. Tell her the next time you talk to her or see her again has to be after she's either had an abortion or you taking her to the abortion clinic. Make it clear that you will see her again, but only under those circumstances.

3. Offer her to pay for the abortion even if she can afford it.

Since the girl is obsessed with you, the child is her way of trying to keep you. So your strategy has to be to make her think that what she is doing is guaranteed to achieve the opposite goal: she will certainly lose you if she keeps the child, but you're open to seeing her again if she doesn't.

Your tone throughout should be gentle but firm. If she just feels scorned and rejected, being a woman she may go through with it purely out of spite. But if you make it clear that you are rejecting the child but not her, that in fact the only way for her to hold on to you is not to have a child you're not ready for, and that this is the only way she'll ever see you or talk to you or fuck you again, then you could turn her obsession with you to your advantage.

I think this is sound advice. It is, however "Plan A." You need to come up with a Plan B in case she insists on having the child.

Here's the deal regarding child support. If she never files for child support, you have no obligation to provide support whatsoever. Neither the court system, nor anyone else except for her really knows that you exist. If she does file for child support, you have no obligation to respond to anything or appear anywhere until you are served with papers. They can't screw you in court if you have absolutely no notice that you have anything pending. In my state, even if the mother files a Complaint for Child Support, the father has absolutely no obligation to pay any support which accrued before the date of filing the Complaint. For example, if the mother waits until the child is fourteen years old to file a Complaint for Child Support, the most the father could be on the hook for would be four years. Some states are different and the mother can seek support which accrued prior to filing the Complaint.

If you don't resolve this matter through Plan A, my strong recommendation is that you immediately change your cell number (if that is possible) and that you cut off all contact from this girl. If in the future, you are served with papers, request a paternity test and see if you can work something out with this girl which would include her dismissing the Complaint and you not being hit with an Order to pay child support. Again, if she does file a Complaint, they need to find you in order to serve you with paperwork. Part of the way that I took care of the over $250,000 debt which I previously had (in addition to paying off over $100,000 of it) was that people often couldn't find me to serve me with paperwork, lawsuits got dismissed, and the statute of limitations ran. Some people's lifestyles make them more prone to be served with paperwork. Hermits get served. People who sit on the couch watching porn and playing video games get served. People like me who spend all of their time on the street, in the gym, and working are more difficult to catch.

If you do decide to pay her anything, which I don't recommend at this point, make sure it is by check or money order. Women constantly lie in claiming that they didn't receive cash.

Post: #41

Alpha up like el mech and welcome these custody challenges.

Post: #42

Ok this is all great advice, if she has to serve me with papers then good luck.

I will try plan A.

Also great advice.

There is one other detail I should mention. Her first boyfriend convinced her to get married so he could get a green card. As if now they are still legally married.

It's to a Thai guy though.

Post: #43

Bangs 100 girls in asia, then comes back here and gets one knocked up. Of all the luck.

Post: #44

What are the odds the baby belongs to the thai guy?

Post: #45

Fisto:
I don't mean to make light of this, but I think you have by far the most interesting legal problems of anyone on the forum.

Post: #46

If she's rich. Try and get custody and have that slut PAY YOU child support.

Post: #47

In most states the husband is presumed to be the father unless the parties involved take some positive action to get someone else on the birth certificate. I don't know what those positive actions are, but someone on here probably does.

Post: #48

(11-03-2013 07:42 PM)Fisto Wrote:  Her first boyfriend convinced her to get married ... they are still legally married.

Under most state laws, a person is a child’s presumed father if: The man was legally married to the child’s mother at the time of conception or birth ... .
Presumed Father Laws

Consider sending her the link to your Asian trip and telling her you are already married with a family in the Philippines, and are moving back there.

Post: #49

(11-03-2013 07:42 PM)Fisto Wrote:  Ok this is all great advice, if she has to serve me with papers then good luck.

I will try plan A.

Also great advice.

There is one other detail I should mention. Her first boyfriend convinced her to get married so he could get a green card. As if now they are still legally married.

It's to a Thai guy though.

You might be able to get out of this if she is married to some Thai dude. Take a breather brother and worry about the bridges you need to cross later when you have to cross them.

Post: #50

Yeah I do get into some ridiculous legal quagmires. I really should start looking at why that is...

Looked a little further into avoiding being served, looks like I can be served by publication, where they just run an ad in a newspaper.

Also, no chance of the father being the Thai guy, I wish there was.

And what are the chances of him being the presumed father if it's a half white kid?