Post: #151

(06-23-2013 05:48 AM)Roosh Wrote:  I've met a lot of players in Ukraine, and the frustration is visible. The most common "technique" they all mention is "luck." The only other place I've heard it mentioned that many times is Argentina.

Is really that bad? heck, and i just thinking in visiting some family in Ukraine.

Post: #152

I have never been to Ukraine but many dudes from all over have, I can't imagine they are travelling there for the world famous tourist sites. Let's not forget this is a country that has been exporting women for years, many of them work in the sex trade around the world.
Roosh and others have posted some nice pictures of the local ladies, it is not like you have to look too hard to find nice pics of Ukranian girls although alot of the pics seem touched up.
I had friends who visited the region, Odessa they claimed 1 in 3 girls was hot. This friends were from London and use to good pussy, so I will take their word for it.
Comparing Kiev to Miami seems a bit of a stretch. I think the so called demise is being exaggerated.

Post: #153

(06-24-2013 04:43 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 03:19 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 09:11 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  ..bowling

Right on the money. There is a constant in ALL girls and women in FSU, they ALL love bowling. Don't know why most guys seem to think that only clubs are good for chasing girls. Bowlings are usually swarming with dyevushki. It's a drink-up and provides excellent gaming opportunities. Besides, girls are constantly bending over in front of you ))

In the city of Vorkuta there was a big club called Tropicana. It had a dance floor and right next to the dance floor were three bowling lanes. People would dance and then walk over and bowl a ball or two and then return to the dance floor. First time I'd ever seen that in a club.

what about karaoke ? do .UA and/or .RU women consider a night out at a karakoe bar a DHV ???

(06-23-2013 09:11 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  Jimukr104 just hit the spot with his answer about NORMAL Kiev girls:

"All these chicks are not normal girls Greek. Normal girls don't have money to club or to drink in bars. These are the fashion/club girls who are seeking something. Some might be Anglo lovers. Those are yOur best bet. But stop calling these NORMAL girls. The normal girl lives far away from the center and takes metro. Very rarely been In a cab. Just because you don't directly give her cash ,doesn't make her any less transactional."

I actually met 3 "NORMAL" girls during my March trip. Here's what seems normal over there:

- Living a 20 minute metro ride away from city center (no 20 year old girl can afford living in city center)
- rarely, if ever, taking a cab
- rarely, if ever, eating out
- rarely, if ever, traveling outside UA (Poland, Belarus & Russia were the only countries those 3 girls had been to)
- NOT SPEAKING ENGLISH (might suprise some of you players on here who never took the Marshrutka to the suburbs)
- Going to a club like Vodka Bar, D'Lux, Mafia Cafe, etc. once or twice per year, usually only on special occasions only such as her birthday
- doing low key events on weekend nights is the norm...bowling seems to be a popular thing there, or just strolling at night-time and stopping by the kiosks to get a quick waffle and ice-cream with their girlfriends
- chronic under employment...even the girls with good degrees i went on date's with were working menial jobs, might not be the norm but makes you think twice before starting to flash all the cash (you don't want to turn them into gold-diggers).
- not having their own car, relying on public transportation (I wonder, would rental car game work there, perhaps promising girls trips to nearby places of interest like the black sea, what do you guys think?)

I'm sure there are other "norms" that one might find so am looking to hear from others.

okay, so how do i go about finding "normal" women in .UA/.RU ??? i want to avoid sponsorettes, pros, and semi-pros as i am seeking LTR/marriage material

Post: #154

(06-24-2013 06:32 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  it is not like you have to look too hard to find nice pics of Ukranian girls although alot of the pics seem touched up.

Oh man, they love to touch up photos. I'm like "let me see those pics from your trip" to my gf, and she's like "yes, I put on VK after I make corrections in photoshop" in her style of English. Her friends are also masters of photoshop.

(06-24-2013 07:23 PM)GameTheory Wrote:  okay, so how do i go about finding "normal" women in .UA/.RU ??? i want to avoid sponsorettes, pros, and semi-pros as i am seeking LTR/marriage material

Try to get the girl back to your flat, the same night you meet her. If she she declines, there is a very good chance she's not a pro. I can say that if you go to Kharkiv, you will not have to worry about pros. From what I hear, it's probably like that for all cities other than Kiev and Odessa.

LTR? Ukrainian girls are generally more about LTR than girls in the US. There are plenty of normal girls at clubs that you can date and maybe LTR will happen. Going to an English language meetup is also not a bad place to meet a normal girl, one that might have a foreign fetish.

Post: #155

(06-24-2013 07:23 PM)GameTheory Wrote:  okay, so how do i go about finding "normal" women in .UA/.RU ??? i want to avoid sponsorettes, pros, and semi-pros as i am seeking LTR/marriage material

Don't hang out where those types hang out.
Learn the language.

Most tourists head straight to the centre of Kiev. That place is inundated with hookers and semi-pros and gold diggers. They all go there to find a customer. The problem is that most tourists don't have the balls or the gumption to hit the suburbs where you come across a totally different atmosphere and type of girl. You dont have to go far, take the metro a few stops from the Kreschatic and youre in a different world. Even in Kiev central you can find good women but not in expensive clubs. Find the girls who are not slutting it up in Fire and Ice and instead talk to the girls working in Puzata Hata. The friendly girl in the cafe in the underpass, ask her out. The flower seller by the war memorial, invite her for a drink after work. It's not difficult BUT do you have the patience? The thing is non sluts over there are conservative, more so than Americans or Brits. So you need a few dates or longer. If you're in town for a weekend though will you want to wait that long? Also without Russian you are limited to your choice and so you kind of need the women who speak great English but that brings you back into the centre where English levels are better due to the women being around foreigners more. Once you have conversational Russian the whole game changes because you can be bolder and go further from the commonly trodden path. But the dichotomy is again, it's harder with those good girls because they have values BUT you will find women who aren't all about your wallet and that you can have a deeper connection with.

Post: #156

[/quote] Don't hang out where those types hang out.
Learn the language.

Most tourists head straight to the centre of Kiev. That place is inundated with hookers and semi-pros and gold diggers. They all go there to find a customer. The problem is that most tourists don't have the balls or the gumption to hit the suburbs where you come across a totally different atmosphere and type of girl. You dont have to go far, take the metro a few stops from the Kreschatic and youre in a different world. Even in Kiev central you can find good women but not in expensive clubs. Find the girls who are not slutting it up in Fire and Ice and instead talk to the girls working in Puzata Hata. The friendly girl in the cafe in the underpass, ask her out. The flower seller by the war memorial, invite her for a drink after work. It's not difficult BUT do you have the patience? The thing is non sluts over there are conservative, more so than Americans or Brits. So you need a few dates or longer. If you're in town for a weekend though will you want to wait that long? Also without Russian you are limited to your choice and so you kind of need the women who speak great English but that brings you back into the centre where English levels are better due to the women being around foreigners more. Once you have conversational Russian the whole game changes because you can be bolder and go further from the commonly trodden path. But the dichotomy is again, it's harder with those good girls because they have values BUT you will find women who aren't all about your wallet and that you can have a deeper connection with.
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Well said.

Post: #157

I love how I can post about 15 minutes worth of photos from Kiev and influence the decisions of several on whether to come to Ukraine or not. You guys are right, the US is much better than EE, don't come here...

Things are in a bit of an upswing for me, though still no new bangs. Had girls on my bed last two nights, one on a second date one same night pull.

Anyone running into a lot of alleged virgins? Last two girls claimed they were virgins, which I don't take to heart obviously but the psuedo-gf I now have here was a confirmed virgin so maybe this is common here.

The date girl is straight up rich. I'm lucky in that I'm here with my buddy, as we are double dating her and her friend. They eat at Buddha Bar and high end places themselves almost every night. Both have iphones, etc. I think we've spent a total of $30 bucks for both girls over 2 dates. It's refreshing knowing girls are not solely after our wallets.

The same night pull was the first girl I approached that night. Just spoke English and she was hooked. She was highly self-conscious about not being a 9 even though she was a solid 7. Within minutes she pointed to her friend and asked if I want to talk to her instead because all the boys love her.

I wrote this in my previous DS but the slight jealousy tactic is insanely effective. Last night I had my phone out during the date because of the translator and a text popped up with a Ukrainian girl name and the location where I met her, and the date girl got super jealous. Then she became a lot more affectionate. I know jealousy works well everywhere but here it is on steroids.

Another thing I alluded to that seems to be working, but will be hard for a majority of you to implement is the double date thing. We currently have 3 sets of girls that are friends we are in various stages of dating. We are going to experiment with dinner party to bang both that night dates. Get them over, get them drinking, take them to separate rooms.

Last time I had 2 ONS, 1 bang from 3 dates and 1 BJ after 3 dates. Looking back, one of the ONS was again a double thing with cousins with my buddy - he met one, I took the other and we bounced them to another club then back to our place. The other was just a huge slut that was at Vodka Bar alone partying. If that helps anyone calibrate.

Oh and one other thing. I think it was Alexander who posted not to give up after a minute or two of an ice reception? Anyway that reminded me of Roosh's Bang guide that said they build attraction through resistance. So last night I tried kiss, nothing, I tried again, slightly more, until I ended up with some light finger play on my bed. The physical escalation takes forever with some of them but you just have to keep chugging through.

Post: #158

Quote:Oh and one other thing. I think it was Alexander who posted not to give up after a minute or two of an ice reception? Anyway that reminded me of Roosh's Bang guide that said they build attraction through resistance. So last night I tried kiss, nothing, I tried again, slightly more, until I ended up with some light finger play on my bed. The physical escalation takes forever with some of them but you just have to keep chugging through.

I'm glad my advice got you a wet finger

With regard to kissing, girls are not so much into kissing strangers, it's in fact much easier to grope them.

Post: #159

(06-24-2013 09:28 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  Most tourists head straight to the centre of Kiev.

Your post is spot-on as usual, but to broaden your statement, I'd say that most sex-hungry tourists head straight to sex-tourism meccas. Honestly, why going to Kiev, which is on the sex-tourism map since more than twenty years now, when you have the whole FSU (a sixth of the Earth's land surface) to discover ?

It is beyond me.

Post: #160

Zhopa (pic from internet).

Post: #161

Lol the not kissing thing mAkes it sound like the hooker rule of kissing equal intimacy.

Post: #162

Let's just accept that it's not 1992 anymore, and be happy that Ukraine is one of the best countries in the world for women.

Foreigner status might not be as high as it used to be, but there are plenty tier 3 cities and lower in FSU where you can go if you want to be exotic.

I mean in Ukraine you can be a 40yr old guy and flirt and fuck with 18yr old girls without being judged as a pervert as opposed to the west.

I've seen many foreigners clearing up in Kiev, many of them had the looks, and were willing to spend a bit of cash

Post: #163

(06-24-2013 09:28 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 07:23 PM)GameTheory Wrote:  okay, so how do i go about finding "normal" women in .UA/.RU ??? i want to avoid sponsorettes, pros, and semi-pros as i am seeking LTR/marriage material

Don't hang out where those types hang out.
Learn the language.

Most tourists head straight to the centre of Kiev. That place is inundated with hookers and semi-pros and gold diggers. They all go there to find a customer. The problem is that most tourists don't have the balls or the gumption to hit the suburbs where you come across a totally different atmosphere and type of girl. You dont have to go far, take the metro a few stops from the Kreschatic and youre in a different world. Even in Kiev central you can find good women but not in expensive clubs. Find the girls who are not slutting it up in Fire and Ice and instead talk to the girls working in Puzata Hata. The friendly girl in the cafe in the underpass, ask her out. The flower seller by the war memorial, invite her for a drink after work. It's not difficult BUT do you have the patience? The thing is non sluts over there are conservative, more so than Americans or Brits. So you need a few dates or longer. If you're in town for a weekend though will you want to wait that long? Also without Russian you are limited to your choice and so you kind of need the women who speak great English but that brings you back into the centre where English levels are better due to the women being around foreigners more. Once you have conversational Russian the whole game changes because you can be bolder and go further from the commonly trodden path. But the dichotomy is again, it's harder with those good girls because they have values BUT you will find women who aren't all about your wallet and that you can have a deeper connection with.

Post: #164

I removed the word "maxim" from my previous posts in this thread that described some things about Ukraine. It was a bit too arrogant and I'm finding so many exceptions that I don't feel confident to etch them into stone.

That said, I'm starting to see Ukraine as a boxing match. Most foreigners come here to go for the first round knock out (minimal investment fast bang). They pipeline a lot, go hard when they come, but usually leave disappointed. The reason is that Ukrainian boxers (i.e. women) have great defense. The culture has a resistance to fast knock outs. You can get them, but almost anywhere else is easier.

My previous stay in the country was to go for knock outs. I think slubu, due to his successful first visit, doubled down on this strategy for his second visit.

The better approach is to be ready to go the full 12 rounds. If you have this endurance (i.e. patience, bankroll, persistence), you will win. The foreign boxer will always win if he goes 12 rounds with a Ukrainian boxer. You may get bruised up a bit, but the victory will be sweeter. However, if you try to go for the knock out, and the girl senses that, her guard goes up and you can't penetrate her dodges. You have to put the appearance that you're ready to go the full 12 rounds. If you're lucky, you may win before that, but don't expect it.

I also realized some hypocrisy in my behavior. I'm complaining about the transactional nature of women, but aren't I doing the same when I'm mentally counting the time and money cost into each women? I'm just her polar opposite, and I get frustrated when she picks up on that and decides it's not what she wants. I've done better when trying to genuinely have a good time, as Prosal mentioned. You'll lose some this way, but the way I see it, a $40 or more dinner is a bargain to find out that a woman is not what you're looking for. If she plays me, she's doing me a favor. If she bangs me, that's fine too. I should welcome either result.

What I find fascinating about Ukraine is that when you're down, you're really down, but when you're up, you are having an experience with a girl who makes you feel better than girls from other countries. This country has many contradictions.

Post: #165

(06-17-2013 12:30 PM)Slavophile Wrote:  "science" link - Check this out:

Sociosexuality from Argentina to Zimbabwe: A 48-nation' study of sex, culture, and strategies of human mating

http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/curren...tt-ocr.pdf

"The partial correlation (controlling for sex) between consenting to sex after one month and responses to the SO1 within al-
most every nation was significant and positive. Exceptions included the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ethiopia, and Ukraine."

"The first question asks how frequently the participant has attempted in the past to poach (i.e., romantically attract) another person's romantic partner. As seen in Table 2, the correlation between the frequency of mate poaching attempts and sociosexuality was positive in almost every culture. The only exception to this trend was the Ukraine."

It looks like an all-out fuckfest in Lithuania, from what I can tell.

Post: #166

(06-26-2013 06:59 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I also realized some hypocrisy in my behavior. I'm complaining about the transactional nature of women, but aren't I doing the same when I'm mentally counting the time and money cost into each women? I'm just her polar opposite, and I get frustrated when she picks up on that and decides it's not what she wants. I've done better when trying to genuinely have a good time, as Prosal mentioned. You'll lose some this way, but the way I see it, a $40 or more dinner is a bargain to find out that a woman is not what you're looking for. If she plays me, she's doing me a favor. If she bangs me, that's fine too. I should welcome either result.

Post: #167

Quote:a $40 or more dinner is a bargain to find out that a woman is not what you're looking for. If she plays me, she's doing me a favor

Well for me i'm not looking for a woman, i'm looking for sex, so if I spend $40 on a girl and it didn't result in sex I would be unhappy to say the least.

I agree that it's easier in many other places for SNL knockouts, you need at least one week in Ukraine to make things happens, otherwise I would not bother going.

If you have had extended time in Ukraine , like I have had in the past, then it's a whole different ball game, SNL seems unimportant, you can walk home from the nightclub happy knowing that you have met a hot girl who will probably fuck you within one or two meetings

Post: #168

(06-27-2013 04:59 AM)Alexander Wrote:  I agree that it's easier in many other places for SNL knockouts, you need at least one week in Ukraine to make things happens, otherwise I would not bother going.

If you have had extended time in Ukraine , like I have had in the past, then it's a whole different ball game, SNL seems unimportant, you can walk home from the nightclub happy knowing that you have met a hot girl who will probably fuck you within one or two meetings

Right on the money. Foreigners on a one week sex holidays are always looking to score immediately and often screw things up by rushing the situation. Time is the key in FSU. To reiterate what I wrote in another thread (sorry to rehearse), for effectively cashing out on girls you need ideally 15 to 20 days in country, the more the better (one month is ideal). It's possible to score on the first dates/nights or on short trips, but with many girls it will be the second or third date before you score, and there is no guarantee they can meet you on consecutive days or even within two or three days. In any case, it's usually only after ten days/two weeks in country you can start reaping what you sow.

I also would not bother going anywhere for only one week, unless it is to visit a GF or to go in a city where I go repeatedly (it allows you to mix the existing GFs with the new contacts therefore to keep your schedule filled).

As a side note, I see no shame to go for an occasional "semi-pro" if during the first part of your stay you don't have success. It can help to keep your confidence levels up and allows you to be more relaxed.

Post: #169

(06-27-2013 04:59 AM)Alexander Wrote:  

Quote:a $40 or more dinner is a bargain to find out that a woman is not what you're looking for. If she plays me, she's doing me a favor

Well for me i'm not looking for a woman, i'm looking for sex, so if I spend $40 on a girl and it didn't result in sex I would be unhappy to say the least.

Then Ukraine is definitely not for you.

Post: #170

(06-27-2013 06:10 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Then Ukraine is definitely not for you.

+1. The guys who think that the best girls in FSU let down their guard easily are barking up the wrong tree. The hottest girls in Ukraine, Russia, ect are NOT easy targets.

Post: #171

(06-24-2013 09:28 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 07:23 PM)GameTheory Wrote:  okay, so how do i go about finding "normal" women in .UA/.RU ??? i want to avoid sponsorettes, pros, and semi-pros as i am seeking LTR/marriage material

Don't hang out where those types hang out.
Learn the language.

Most tourists head straight to the centre of Kiev. That place is inundated with hookers and semi-pros and gold diggers. They all go there to find a customer. The problem is that most tourists don't have the balls or the gumption to hit the suburbs where you come across a totally different atmosphere and type of girl. You dont have to go far, take the metro a few stops from the Kreschatic and youre in a different world. Even in Kiev central you can find good women but not in expensive clubs. Find the girls who are not slutting it up in Fire and Ice and instead talk to the girls working in Puzata Hata. The friendly girl in the cafe in the underpass, ask her out. The flower seller by the war memorial, invite her for a drink after work. It's not difficult BUT do you have the patience? The thing is non sluts over there are conservative, more so than Americans or Brits. So you need a few dates or longer. If you're in town for a weekend though will you want to wait that long? Also without Russian you are limited to your choice and so you kind of need the women who speak great English but that brings you back into the centre where English levels are better due to the women being around foreigners more. Once you have conversational Russian the whole game changes because you can be bolder and go further from the commonly trodden path. But the dichotomy is again, it's harder with those good girls because they have values BUT you will find women who aren't all about your wallet and that you can have a deeper connection with.

The reason they do this is time. And travel distance.

If you are coming from say San Diego or Orange County California (or LA or SF), to Kiev, you are in for quite a journey.

I am sure the last thing you want to do is hop on a bus to the suburbs or Kiev.

Or take a train to tier 3 and tier 8 cities in Ukraine.

Which also begs the question, why would you travel half way around the world to hang out in the suburbs?

Some guys may love that, and more power to them.

The amount of guys from America that fit that the necessary criteria/skillset for Ukraine you could probably fit in a studio apartment in Monaco.

Post: #172

@G, I think Kiev would be your ideal place. Girls mostly in heels, can smoke everywhere and inside clubs, and nightlife 7 days a week.

These girls here are very interesting to me. They will be super hot at one moment then very cold the next moment. You think they don't like you then they will come back to your apartment. You think you will bang them next time you see them, then you don't see them again.

I think I mismanaged my first 10 days here. I took it too easy, tried too much in Russian (I've been having a better reception just going in with English), etc. My strongest lead right now I can't figure out if she wants to be platonic, or bang me because she wouldn't kiss on the first date yet her and her roommate want to go to Lviv with my buddy and I (he's made out with her first night and first date).

Still, today on the street we happened to walk by two frumpy girls who were speaking English and clearly from America and couldn't help but start laughing. There's no comparison.

Post: #173

(06-27-2013 06:10 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 04:59 AM)Alexander Wrote:  

Quote:a $40 or more dinner is a bargain to find out that a woman is not what you're looking for. If she plays me, she's doing me a favor

Well for me i'm not looking for a woman, i'm looking for sex, so if I spend $40 on a girl and it didn't result in sex I would be unhappy to say the least.

Then Ukraine is definitely not for you.

I'm doing extremely well there, but let's bear in mind that many of the girls i'm screwing are under 23, at this age many of them haven't fully developed the art of being a money grabbing bitch.

For example, meet a girl in the street, take phone number, meet for coffee date, total = less than $10.

You call her couple of days later, suggest going for Pizza/Pasta, Pizza = $10-$15, bottle of wine $10.

Third date call her and ask for a walk/drink, you then invite her back to your apartment to watch a movie, wham bam.

These prices are obviously a little higher in Kiev, and girls over 8.5 and over in Kiev will turn their nose up at Pizza and Georgian wine. But few of us can say that we're dating and fucking models in the country every day.

Ukraine works as a sexual paradise for me, I keep returning to the country because I do better than anywhere else i've been. I might check out the Baltics though, perhaps it's even easier there

Post: #174

(06-27-2013 08:32 AM)slubu Wrote:  @G, I think Kiev would be your ideal place. Girls mostly in heels, can smoke everywhere and inside clubs, and nightlife 7 days a week.

I think I may really like it too. That is why I am so interested.

Although when you describe why I would like it, it sounds a lot like Miami Beach (ie Girls mostly in heels, can smoke everywhere and inside clubs, and nightlife 7 days a week). And I would guess that surfing and swimming in the ocean in Kiev, and picking up Cubanas, Colombianas, Dominicanas in Kiev is pretty rare.

My Russian language skills, the talk of the need to hit tier 4 cities and suburbs, and amount of time one needs to spend there makes me push off hitting the "buy button" on a ticket.

It really does tick some boxes that I am looking for though.

(06-27-2013 09:47 AM)Alexander Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 06:10 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 04:59 AM)Alexander Wrote:  

Quote:a $40 or more dinner is a bargain to find out that a woman is not what you're looking for. If she plays me, she's doing me a favor

Well for me i'm not looking for a woman, i'm looking for sex, so if I spend $40 on a girl and it didn't result in sex I would be unhappy to say the least.

Then Ukraine is definitely not for you.

I'm doing extremely well there, but let's bear in mind that many of the girls i'm screwing are under 23, at this age many of them haven't fully developed the art of being a money grabbing bitch.

For example, meet a girl in the street, take phone number, meet for coffee date, total = less than $10.

You call her couple of days later, suggest going for Pizza/Pasta, Pizza = $10-$15, bottle of wine $10.

Third date call her and ask for a walk/drink, you then invite her back to your apartment to watch a movie, wham bam.

These prices are obviously a little higher in Kiev, and girls over 8.5 and over in Kiev will turn their nose up at Pizza and Georgian wine. But few of us can say that we're dating and fucking models in the country every day.

Ukraine works as a sexual paradise for me, I keep returning to the country because I do better than anywhere else i've been. I might check out the Baltics though, perhaps it's even easier there

If my math serves me correct, it looks like you are spending $45-55 on three dates.

Would you be better served on "hitting her with everything but the kitchen sink" on the first date ie $40-60 (or more) first date?

Just curious.

This is what I do in America.

You have guys pinching pennies, running spread sheets and hiring accounting firms keeping track of their first 4 dates with girls.

I don't have time for that noise.

I would rather hit a girl with a more expensive (ie a lot of drinks) first date and close.

Spending 4 hours and a cup of coffee with a girl actually costs me way more in the long run.

Quote:but let's bear in mind that many of the girls i'm screwing are under 23

What age are you?

Post: #175

(06-27-2013 10:06 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 08:32 AM)slubu Wrote:  @G, I think Kiev would be your ideal place. Girls mostly in heels, can smoke everywhere and inside clubs, and nightlife 7 days a week.

I think I may really like it too. That is why I am so interested.

Although when you describe why I would like it, it sounds a lot like Miami Beach (ie Girls mostly in heels, can smoke everywhere and inside clubs, and nightlife 7 days a week). And I would guess that surfing and swimming in the ocean in Kiev, and picking up Cubanas, Colombianas, Dominicanas in Kiev is pretty rare.

My Russian language skills, the talk of the need to hit tier 4 cities and suburbs, and amount of time one needs to spend there makes me push off hitting the "buy button" on a ticket.

It really does tick some boxes that I am looking for though.

(06-27-2013 09:47 AM)Alexander Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 06:10 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(06-27-2013 04:59 AM)Alexander Wrote:  

Quote:a $40 or more dinner is a bargain to find out that a woman is not what you're looking for. If she plays me, she's doing me a favor

Well for me i'm not looking for a woman, i'm looking for sex, so if I spend $40 on a girl and it didn't result in sex I would be unhappy to say the least.

Then Ukraine is definitely not for you.

I'm doing extremely well there, but let's bear in mind that many of the girls i'm screwing are under 23, at this age many of them haven't fully developed the art of being a money grabbing bitch.

For example, meet a girl in the street, take phone number, meet for coffee date, total = less than $10.

You call her couple of days later, suggest going for Pizza/Pasta, Pizza = $10-$15, bottle of wine $10.

Third date call her and ask for a walk/drink, you then invite her back to your apartment to watch a movie, wham bam.

These prices are obviously a little higher in Kiev, and girls over 8.5 and over in Kiev will turn their nose up at Pizza and Georgian wine. But few of us can say that we're dating and fucking models in the country every day.

Ukraine works as a sexual paradise for me, I keep returning to the country because I do better than anywhere else i've been. I might check out the Baltics though, perhaps it's even easier there

If my math serves me correct, it looks like you are spending $45-55 on three dates.

Would you be better served on "hitting her with everything but the kitchen sink" on the first date ie $40-60 (or more) first date?

Just curious.

This is what I do in America.

You have guys pinching pennies, running spread sheets and hiring accounting firms keeping track of their first 4 dates with girls.

I don't have time for that noise.

I would rather hit a girl with a more expensive (ie a lot of drinks) first date and close.

Spending 4 hours and a cup of coffee with a girl actually costs me way more in the long run.

Quote:but let's bear in mind that many of the girls i'm screwing are under 23

What age are you?

I see what you mean, but as I said I'm not so bothered about going for the kill there as I spend extended periods of time in the country.

So yeah spending that kind of cash on a girl for one date is not bad as long as you can convert say 1 in 3 of those into an SNL.

It can be good spending a decent amount of dough on girls, as I said in an earlier post, they feel obliged to stay with you then, whereas you can buy her a couple of cocktails and she will disappear, which is what happens with Turkish guys in Ukraine.

Coffee dates work for me, although I usually make them brief, if you're doing it every day then it becomes time-consuming. I don't often ask girls for alcohol dates, unless I have met them in a club or something and they've been sloshing back the vodka. The girls are suspicious of foreigners, especially the younger ones, no harm can come to them in a coffee shop.

I'm 38, but can pass for 10 years younger, works here because the guys generally look older than they are.