Post: #76

Has anyone tried Prosal's "make it rain" strategy in Ukraine?

Post: #77

(06-20-2013 03:52 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Has anyone tried Prosal's "make it rain" strategy in Ukraine?

I don't really have a "make it rain" strategy. I am admittedly a thirsty party-goer who likes to create a fun atmosphere by paying drinks, and it's in my nature to be prodigal, but I don't throw money at women. It's a method I refuse to employ simply because it would make me feel more fool than cool.

I never go in a club thinking that I HAVE to score that night and that just buying drinks is going to get it done. We all know (I mean the experienced players) that with this attitude you'll run into brick walls. We know that it's better to be relaxed and go with the flow. Your chances are much higher if you are just charming and in a relaxed, positive, confident mood. But the fact is that in all face-controlled, high end and expensive bars or clubs in EE and FSU, you will find very good looking women all dressed up with wild partying on their minds, and looking for similarly well-appointed, heavy drinking and generous men with the right look and game to provide the drinks and company to get the job done. If you can fit in and keep up, it's all yours.

Also when is Russia and out on the town the men pay for everything, period. Your girl will forgive you for being drunk slurring speech or stumbling, but she will never forgive you for being stingy.

Anyway, IMO inviting girls to drink does work. We all have our own methods (some guys employ methods very successfully that don't work for me at all and vice-versa) and I'm happiest and most successful sticking to mine.

Also furthermore drunk fucks can be fun. ))

Post: #78

I was at a club in Kharkiv with my girlfriend and her friends. A Turkish guy started talking to one of my girlfriend's friends. Eventually he joins us at our table. During the night he bought us sushi, several bottles of champagne, was throwing money around it it was nothing. He tipped the coat check woman 100 grivnas. He even insisted on paying for our taxi home. He handed the taxi driver 100 grivnas and said "take them anywhere they want to go".

He got the attention of my girlfriend's friend but I think there's such as thing as overdoing it. These girls were entertained by his behavior but I wasn't sure if they were making fun of him or not. He was trying too hard. It just didn't seem appropriate.

There have got to be better ways of coming across as rich without trying as hard as this guy. Off the top of my head, you could make sure your iPhone 5 is noticed, or when you open your wallet to pay, sift through your 100 dollar bills until you find a grivna bill to pay with. Things like that which are more subtle but still get the point across. If you look like you are trying too hard, she'll lose some respect for you.

My girlfriend's friend went out with this guy several times over many months, but I was told that it never got serious and that he eventually got stalkerish with her and she ended it. I would like think he could have gotten a date with her without spending all that cash.

Post: #79

Sounds like: 1) do not have a Western attitude with them (i.e. expect them to split or pay for much), and 2) look good and make sure money is not a barrier to having a good time, however there is no need to be ostentatious.

Post: #80

(06-20-2013 06:24 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

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Keep in mind that in Russia, the lack of "eligible" men is so blatant that it's the WOMEN who take classes for picking up (and keeping) men ))

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How should a woman please a man. The Masterclass teaching hi-end oral sex:

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Post: #81

(06-20-2013 04:53 PM)The Duke Wrote:  I was at a club in Kharkiv with my girlfriend and her friends. A Turkish guy started talking to one of my girlfriend's friends. Eventually he joins us at our table. During the night he bought us sushi, several bottles of champagne, was throwing money around it it was nothing. He tipped the coat check woman 100 grivnas. He even insisted on paying for our taxi home. He handed the taxi driver 100 grivnas and said "take them anywhere they want to go".

He got the attention of my girlfriend's friend but I think there's such as thing as overdoing it. These girls were entertained by his behavior but I wasn't sure if they were making fun of him or not. He was trying too hard. It just didn't seem appropriate.

There have got to be better ways of coming across as rich without trying as hard as this guy. Off the top of my head, you could make sure your iPhone 5 is noticed, or when you open your wallet to pay, sift through your 100 dollar bills until you find a grivna bill to pay with. Things like that which are more subtle but still get the point across. If you look like you are trying too hard, she'll lose some respect for you.

My girlfriend's friend went out with this guy several times over many months, but I was told that it never got serious and that he eventually got stalkerish with her and she ended it. I would like think he could have gotten a date with her without spending all that cash.

So she said. I reckon he smashed her and in the end she dumped him.

Post: #82

In Ukraine, it's really about finding a balance when it comes to your spending. Too much and you may mark yourself, too little and you turn off the girls. Like I mentioned earlier, set your limits and play within that.

But if you do tend to be tight with money, Ukraine will not give you much. You can be tight in America is do quite fine, on the other hand.

Post: #83

Interesting thus western attitude of not paying. I of course would never buy a drink etc. But from my early dating experiences American women of my generation expect a man to Pay on dates. Maybe going Dutch started with generation y? I am generation x. That being said I had a date in Ukraine pay for herself once. It turned me off. Made me think of her like a western feminist. I rather someone acts like their culture than pretend to be otherwise.

Post: #84

I don't often meet Ukrainian / Russian women who will offer to buy me a drink or go dutch on a date HOWEVER I often will be in a club or bar and be invited to join a group of girls at a table and poured a drink from their communal carafe of liquor that they have ordered for themselves. If you look like you're fun and look the part women will grab you and invite you to drink with them. I expect that Prosal would concur and have similiar experiences with this.

The thing is once you've drained the carafe with them you feel the need to re-order one but since its the most economical to drink in the FSU it really isn't a problem. Better to order a carafe for a table then buying individual top shelf drinks. It also locks you into the table once you've ordered the carafe since you won't be going anywhere til it is drained. By the time it's drained you're usually dragging one of the group off to the dance floor to grind on her.

I know this runs contrary to forum wisdom but the funnest and least scrounging girls I've met in Ukraine are Oddesan chicks. I have found them the most urbane and 'up for the crack' types in the country. However I must qualify that by saying I have only met them in Kiev whilst on holiday so it may be their holiday attitude as opposed to the city they are from. I plan to visit the city next month so I'll form an opinion after that.

Post: #85

Few more updates:

1. My psuedo-gf this morning used the word "creepy" in a sentence. A small part of me died inside. I asked her where she learned that word and she said in school (she's 19). I told her to never use that word again. I felt like a father scolding his young child.

2. My trip has been much tamer than last time, same thoughts from the buddy I travel with. The most fresh I've gotten has been a makeout with a hipster chick. Last trip I was making out left and right and had girls over all the time with several bangs. I'm going to re-read my own datasheet, maybe I forgot what the hell I was doing last time. We both do agree that maybe we are not going after it with the same urgency as last time because we are here for a month as opposed to only 10 days.

3. Gone out on 3 first dates, 1 was nothing to write home about. The other two were very pretty, a Jennifer Connolly look alike and a Pocahontas style 18yo. I'd say my quality is better than last time by a bit, but these girls are ice queens. Can't even get a makeout on date 1. Hopefully date 2 will be better.

I need to make a girl scream O' Borja. I'm reverting back to aggressive night game tonight, let's see what happens.

Post: #86

(06-21-2013 09:06 AM)slubu Wrote:  Few more updates:

1. My psuedo-gf this morning used the word "creepy" in a sentence. A small part of me died inside. I asked her where she learned that word and she said in school (she's 19). I told her to never use that word again. I felt like a father scolding his young child.

2. My trip has been much tamer than last time, same thoughts from the buddy I travel with. The most fresh I've gotten has been a makeout with a hipster chick. Last trip I was making out left and right and had girls over all the time with several bangs. I'm going to re-read my own datasheet, maybe I forgot what the hell I was doing last time. We both do agree that maybe we are not going after it with the same urgency as last time because we are here for a month as opposed to only 10 days.

3. Gone out on 3 first dates, 1 was nothing to write home about. The other two were very pretty, a Jennifer Connolly look alike and a Pocahontas style 18yo. I'd say my quality is better than last time by a bit, but these girls are ice queens. Can't even get a makeout on date 1. Hopefully date 2 will be better.

I need to make a girl scream O' Borja. I'm reverting back to aggressive night game tonight, let's see what happens.

Interesting. I notice I did better on a 20 day trip(decade ago lol), than when I was actual expat. Its the urgency thing!My wing always told chicks he came every month for a few weeks and not t that he lived there. He felt that everything SLOWS down if they think you there longer. Your own energy probably slows down as well. Weird huh??

Post: #87

(06-21-2013 08:11 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:  Interesting thus western attitude of not paying. I of course would never buy a drink etc. But from my early dating experiences American women of my generation expect a man to Pay on dates. Maybe going Dutch started with generation y? I am generation x. That being said I had a date in Ukraine pay for herself once. It turned me off. Made me think of her like a western feminist. I rather someone acts like their culture than pretend to be otherwise.

+1. In FSU, men are expected to call the shots, period. If you are out with one of these young successful, good looking babes and she offers to pay for her own drinks, then sex is probably not on the menu. She just wants to "be friends". It sends a pretty clear message. Same for girls who pretend to be "teetotal". I tried to explain to a guy on another board, who complained that on the four dates he got in Piter, three were girls who "didn't drink", that a girl who doesn't drink WITH YOU is not necesseraly a girl who ACTUALLY doesn't drink. She's just sending the message that she is not available to let herself go for you ..a very clear message.Maybe later in the evening this same girl will be at Coyote Ugly or Xxxx (two great DJ bars in Piter) dancing on the bar totally drunk. To reverse the famous adage and to apply it to dating, "When there is no smoke, there is no fire". Intuition is your best weapon, but many guys fail miserably at that.

Post: #88

Quote:I'm going to re-read my own datasheet,

Funny, I said that to myself about your DS today. Understand that your first trip to a country is always more intense than the second. Same thing happened with me in Poland. I was banging left and right first month. Second time around was much slower. The girls were technically the same, so I knew it was my energy and standards that changed.

Quote:three were girls who "didn't drink", that a girl who doesn't drink WITH YOU is not necesseraly a girl who ACTUALLY doesn't drink.

I agree. It also depends on how you frame the date, the time, and the day it falls on.

Post: #89

(06-21-2013 09:43 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:  Interesting. I notice I did better on a 20 day trip(decade ago lol), than when I was actual expat. Its the urgency thing!

This seems to be happening to me as well.

Post: #90

Was just in Kiev running around Slubu and his friend for 9 days. Came in kind of limping from my previous destinations but had to of course find the fire somehow, this was The Ukraine I had read and heard so much about. Night one was a Sunday night and we went to Shooters. Pretty funny scene there with the Turkish mongers and a bunch of drunk 6's and 7's basically. Got eye fucked in there like crazy and ended up banging one of the above mentioned. Really nice body, face was kinda ehhh I found out when I woke up hungover as shit the next morning. 1 for 1 though! Ended up 1/9 by the time I left.

One of the reasons I was excited about going, was I met an absolute stunner in Thailand back in January who I chatted up for no more than 10 minutes, but got her Facebook info and kept in touch with her. Told her I was coming and she was genuinely excited. I gave her my dates of arrival about a month before and she messaged me "Are you here!", before I even reached out to her, which I was planning on doing ASAP. Eagerness is usually good.

Went out with her and I picked a place I thought was a good choice, she came back with some other place which she liked more. General consensus on the web was "Good place, overpriced"...great, here we go! Met her there and she was absolutely the bombshell I remembered and saw online. At the very least she is a 9, I give her a 9.5. 20yo, Flawless body, face, smile, but could be a bit taller (although not short)

We ate a little, drank about two bottles of wine, smoked shisha, conversed, flirted, and ended up making out pretty heavily. Started with a simple kiss 2-3 hours in, and went from there. I did not get the sense she is a gold digger, comes from a well to do family, speaks multiple languages, studied in Shanghai for 3 months, blah, blah. Had a great time, and I didn't think it could have gone better other than the $210USD bill which I paid. Granted, we sat from 7PM-1AM. We made plans for a couple nights later and all was good.

The next day we chat and I notice a change slightly in tone of her messages. She had already been over the months before a kind of "cold" texter but had warmed up as my arrival got close. Not many emotions, etc

Eventually she says, "I must tell you something. I am engaged to get married in September" WTF! I ask her why she went out with me, blah, blah...she says I liked and still like you but I cant see you anymore. I dont know if I got her buzzed and then she regretted it the next day, played me for the dinner (dont think so, really), etc.

Really weird as the date went really well and I could feel her sexual desires when making out with her in the taxi home. Someone is not hitting it right, as she had some built up sexual energy for sure which I think she wanted to let out, but couldn't because of her situation (assuming true). I still dont know what the fuck happened with her? Stunner, sweet, went well...went cold. She was so hot I am going to let it fizzle for now, give her space and then maybe try and get her to meet me on the coast of Spain or something this summer. She is THAT hot.

Another night I went out with a chick I met in Warsaw who I thought was cute and ended up being overweight a little, which I had no tolerance for especially considering the talent everywhere. Met her at a high end bar which was dead, and then she suggested we bounce to Shooters. I was all over it as anything to see other chicks. This was I think a Wed night (not a ladies night) and it was actually fun as shit. Chicks dancing on stage taking their tops off, cheap booze flowing and a generally good energy. Right when I walked in I had chicks eyeing me like crazy as if saying "What the fuck are you doing with her?!" I knew this chick had to leave soon for work in the AM, so I eye fucked as many as I could and stuck around. The second she left it was game on. Had 3-4 chicks jockeying for lead role with me, seriously. It was silly but a lot of fun playing the game. Ended up choosing one who I thought I had the best chance of going home with. Danced, kissed, danced some more (One of previous girls leaves and gives me her biz card right in front of this one). I tried to get her back to my place but her English was so bad I couldnt make it happen. The last thing she then said at about 5AM was, "I want sushi right now" Next!

Went home alone but had a fun night with a bunch of cute girls qualifying themselves to me.

Overall, I liked Kiev but did not LOVE it. Not to mention, VERY expensive when you go to the high end places ($10-$15USD for drinks)

Enough for now with these two nights, more to contribute later on my other happenings there.

Post: #91

Qwest

Great report.
Shooters and Vodka Bar are more known for bottom of the totem pole mainly 4P4 venues especially on ladies night . The Shooters girl from the first night.
Was a that a freebie with a normal but below average regular girl or a shore from a semi-pro ?

Post: #92

(06-21-2013 04:24 PM)rishboy77 Wrote:  Qwest

Great report.
Shooters and Vodka Bar are more known for bottom of the totem pole mainly 4P4 venues especially on ladies night . The Shooters girl from the first night.
Was a that a freebie with a normal but below average regular girl or a shore from a semi-pro ?

Yes, I am not saying they are the creme de la creme by any means and I REALLY tried to avoid Vodka Bar at all costs, but still popped my head in just to see the deal. If you just want to have a good time though and drink for cheap around a bunch of 6,7, and occasional 8's, Shooters is a good look.

The chick I banged was definitely not a pro, just a chick out having fun. The one who said "I want sushi", I'm pretty sure she wasn't either and was just a high maintenance gold digger type.

I went to Shooters twice, ladies night and the non ladies night. I preferred the non ladies night as it was the perfect amount of people, still loose as hell, and the chicks were clamoring for me, probably because I was dressed well and looked nothing like the part of the Turkish monger that many of the other dudes were.

There is definitely some mafia presence out and about a bit also. The night I came with the girl to shooters, she pointed out these two dudes and said they are mafia. She said "I kind of know one of them just from being here sometimes. He saw some guy do something disrespectful to me and he almost killed him on the spot." Note to self!

Later in the night I see two STUNNERS dancing by themselves and one of them was basically my dream girl (looks wise). I notice nobody is dancing with them and then I see one of the mafia guys come up, make out with the one I like for 10 seconds and go back to his booth. As if to let the club know, "She is mine." They both get on stage and I cant help but stare at her, damn she was hot! I caught her looking at me also and even whispering to her friend something. One time we locked eyes and I threw her a pretty big smile and she gave me back this ever so slight grin, that had this written all over it "I like you also, but there is no way I can do anything with my mafia boyfriend here, so don't waste your time and get killed." It felt great to the ego, but also crushing as this was THE girl I came to Kiev to find.

As I drank a little more, I wanted to catch her going to the bathroom and see if I could quickly get contact info but she wasn't even drinking, that I noticed at least and she only went back to their booth.

Maybe the best thing to happen to me was for me to NOT go after her, but when HOT pussy signals "I want to fuck you", its hard to not act on it.

Post: #93

Alright so last night I went to what was the top place in Kiev. First off, it was outrageously expensive. Entrance was 300 grivnas and drinks were between 120-200 grivnas each. Seriously, these are like Vegas prices.

But my god was the talent insane. I've mentioned here a few times that the best place I've ever been to in my life for talent was Pascha in Moscow in 2010. This was second.

Girls there for the most part were receptive too, except they all no so shyly hinted that the guys should buy them drinks immediately. Had a cougar hanging all over me early in the night, but that's not what I came there for. And when I mean hanging all over me, I mean that literally, she had her arm around me and I was supporting her weight. Too bad she wasn't 24 instead of 34. Also, there were some whores sprinkled throughout the place, as I found out there twice (one girl offered her and her friend for me) and another said I work tomorrow, tonight I drink.

Anyway my buddy and I approached many girls, got a few numbers but that was it. At the end of the night somehow two girls jump in the cab with us to go drink champagne on our balcony. One was nasty the other was attractive. Unbeknownst to me, they were whores too. So eventually they go ok let's have some fun how much. At this point I was drunk and just toying with them to see how much, so I go 70 bucks, she goes no 300. We told them no, they asked for cabfare we told them no and then they got livid and shattered a glass in the apartment and left. Fucking crazy whores.

Then I made eggs and went to sleep.

Post: #94

Quote:they got livid and shattered a glass in the apartment and left.

Post: #95

I was just on the Petter Hegre site and this is what he says about Kiev:

http://www.hegre-art.co.uk/travels/show/...el-wrapper


"Petter has returned to the cradle of beauty - Kiev, a city rich with knock out girls and Maybachs. But Kiev is no longer the place it used to be and has changed dramatically since Petter made his first trip there 6 years ago.

More and more apparent are the new phenomenon known as the the ‘Kiev Queens.’ These girls only speak the language of dollars and are as ruthless as hyenas when it comes to getting what they want.

Kiev was recently listed as the 5th most expensive city in the world, and it could be said the city has a serious Moscow complex! The Ukrainians’ will probably soon pass their rival in the north, which currently holds the #1 position. Kiev is on a mean streak, and I really feel sorry for those who are in the way or who can’t keep up with the pace."

Post: #96

Ukraine is like the only place I have ever been where the whores don't let you know to the lAst minute. It's also the only place where whores decide they are not going to work the night but sit there like they are working. I knew a guy use to complain thAt it's only country where ehores reject you lol.

Post: #97

wow a lot of talk of pros and semi pros in kiev. That's a bit disappointing to hear. I mean, I know it's not like SEA, but still. One thing nice about Kharkiv is that there are very few pros.

Post: #98

(06-22-2013 08:27 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  I was just on the Petter Hegre site and this is what he says about Kiev:

http://www.hegre-art.co.uk/travels/show/...el-wrapper


"Petter has returned to the cradle of beauty - Kiev, a city rich with knock out girls and Maybachs. But Kiev is no longer the place it used to be and has changed dramatically since Petter made his first trip there 6 years ago.....

.....


Kiev is on a mean streak, and I really feel sorry for those who are in the way or who can’t keep up with the pace."

My socio-chemical explanation:

(Facewhore + ADHDPhones + Hot Chicks +
No Visa Policy + ItaliansSpaniardsBritsGermansSerbs + Euro Soccer tourney nod +
most locals not too bright+ nascent Ukrainian Pride movement) =

Barefaced Tactless Money Grubbing

Granted, definitely some sour grapes from this middle aged returnee, they have the exact type of figures I love and the shitty climate greatly reduces premature sun damage to their skin.

Post: #99

(06-22-2013 08:29 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:  Ukraine is like the only place I have ever been where the whores don't let you know to the lAst minute. It's also the only place where whores decide they are not going to work the night but sit there like they are working.

You can say that again. Last time i was there in 2011, I picked up some bird from the Budda Bar and brought her back to my place. Following morning she leaves and I discover 2 hours later that there is €300 robbed out of my wallet.

That said, its said to see how bad Kiev has become. I had a blast there back in 2010 and 11 but after my last visit there, I decided that I had enough of the place.

Post: #100

Back in 2001 took a chick home from 111(top expat club). Found out hours later she stole my bottle of cool water. I guess her boyfriend needed it more??