Post: #51

(06-14-2013 02:43 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 02:41 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 02:38 PM)Samseau Wrote:  This is a terrible decision. If this becomes law then unemployment will go a whole lot higher.

If you are working an unpaid internship are you really employed?

Yes. You are also gaining contacts you wouldn't normally have access to.

Right, actually why don't we have the interns start paying for the privilege also?

(06-14-2013 05:54 PM)Samseau Wrote:  LOL at the people who think this will help people from being exploited.

Before, kids could get experience in the real world.

Now they're just gonna turn into bums because no one will hire them. Unpaid internships ONLY exist because these companies are doing the kids a favor; no one needs them, they are totally worthless trash.

This is a huge victory for the democrats because their welfare ranks will swell.

So, as long as you throw around some scare words like "leftists" and "democrats" you can justify exploiting people, because doing otherwise would obviously be anti-capitalist and anti-American.

Post: #52

It's like people don't realize that paid internships are already around and thriving in the US and have been for a long time. Its just a bunch of bs scare tactics by greedy sharks.

Post: #53

Time to retire the terms liberal and capitalist.

No one uses terms like feudalist.

We're done with the industrial era and into the info era.

These issues don't fall into left right anymore.

The last election showed the Republicans are dead.

The average Republican is so stupid they might have to lose ten more elections before they figure it out.

The replacement party will swallow some realities:

Gays are here to stay
So are Mexicans
What's good for business (slavery in the form of internships?) isn't always good for America
Misandry comes from the Left and the Right

Post: #54

(06-14-2013 08:11 PM)that guy Wrote:  It's like people don't realize that paid internships are already around and thriving in the US and have been for a long time. Its just a bunch of bs scare tactics by greedy sharks.

By paid internship you mean skilled trades and not make work/shuffle paper/cube farm shenanigans?

Post: #55

I'm waiting for you guys to pass laws that force companies to hire college students. Because that's the only way they'll get a job. No one is going to pay for the "privilege" to teach skills to students that never learned shit in school.

You guys are brainwashed. This isn't about politics, it's about economics. WHO IS GOING TO PAY unskilled workers 10 bucks an hour to file papers?

I am willing to bet $100 to anyone that unemployment will rise as a result of this. Who else is willing to put their money where their mouth this?

Post: #56

Agreed.

Using kitchens yet again as a metaphor (sorry, it's what I know). When you intern at a high end kitchen, you're not butchering fish or cooking meat. You're peeling carrots. Peeling potatoes. Dethreading snap peas. Peeling cases of shrimp. It's bitch work, and it's called paying your dues.

Now I get kids right out of school thinking they're worth a damn and demanding 12 bucks an hour. I laugh in their face and tell them to try the next place. You guys can tell me all I want that I'm in some sort of "niche" here but I have a feeling that's not the case.

Like it or not, increasing operating costs in any line of business is not good for the economy. You think any senior manager is going to cut company wages just so they can bring in interns? Think again. I would actually be PISSED if I was looking for an internship because this is going to make it harder to find one.

Post: #57

(06-14-2013 09:07 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Agreed.

Using kitchens yet again as a metaphor (sorry, it's what I know). When you intern at a high end kitchen, you're not butchering fish or cooking meat. You're peeling carrots. Peeling potatoes. Dethreading snap peas. Peeling cases of shrimp. It's bitch work, and it's called paying your dues.

Now I get kids right out of school thinking they're worth a damn and demanding 12 bucks an hour. I laugh in their face and tell them to try the next place. You guys can tell me all I want that I'm in some sort of "niche" here but I have a feeling that's not the case.

Like it or not, increasing operating costs in any line of business is not good for the economy. You think any senior manager is going to cut company wages just so they can bring in interns? Think again. I would actually be PISSED if I was looking for an internship because this is going to make it harder to find one.

You're telling me you work at a high end restaurant, and you can't spend like a 1k (minimum wage) over a month or so to test out a kid? Do realize that just by paying something, you'll increase the amount of quality candidates applying.

With the tech companies, they paid their interns above market rate for a new grad. And because of this, many at my firm stayed on longer than they needed to which saved costs for rehiring and retraining over the long run. Someone working for free is working for the bare minimum of time before getting the fuck out of there. Many investment bank boutiques dont hire unpaid interns for this reason. They know you're going to bounce. The only places that are cool with free interns just passing through are doing routine work since they are that easily replaceable. Which goes back to "hey free labor" thing that internship law is meant to stop.

But in terms of a greater issue, its partly the student's fault for letting himself be put in this position for needing a job that badly to get the skills necessary. And it also shows we have massive price response failures to the job market. Miscoordination between employers, students and schools for training, BS about what to learn, etc.

Post: #58

(06-14-2013 02:01 PM)Malekhit Wrote:  It's exactly like co-op in canada you do shit and you don't get paid and they say its for your own sake and colleges consider it mandatory. So I "did" my co-op in my friends travel agency not working at all there and focusing on another job for these 2 months that were required.
Most people are losers that can't land a job anywhere because a) no people skills b) poor appearance c) not even trying
So far In Canada getting a job that pays 20$ an hour is easy as hell you just need to have that ABC

That wasn't my experience at all here in Canada. Pretty well all of our students got placed, absolute bottom of the barrel was probably around $600 a week. Some people were able to pull $25k in 4 months.

Keep in mind these are 19-20 yos with no real skills other than maybe Political science writing course and mechanics of materials. Doing Co-op, you should have been able to make a min of $10k/4 month term. Plus get contacts, plus get some actual experience. I thought it was a great deal.

Post: #59

(06-14-2013 02:44 PM)Malekhit Wrote:  I agree with the dude I myself worked in the kitchen for long time and I've seen some shit. 3 days try out would be optimal you don't have to pay person for these 3 days but if he works 4th day you have to pay him. In that time you have time to see what that person is all about with no bullshit resume.

It is very difficult for me to even look at resumes because every fucking resume looks the same.... there is no creativity and most people put wall of text like you would care to read it. In eg. I don't give a shit what were your responsibilities in moxies you claim to be a cook great that's done you don't have to tell me what cook does.....

I agree and that's why they have the probationary period isn't it? Why up to that point you can basically get rid of people for no reason? I mean a couple hundred bux for a company isn't much, and it isn't like that money is completely gone, you did get 3 days of work from the guy.

So you didn't find your star after 3 days, the only thing you are out is 3 days pay. And unless they guy just sat in the corner playing with himself, you didn't get *nothing* for those 3 days, you got 3 days work out of the guy who wasn't quite a good fit.

Post: #60

(06-14-2013 08:47 PM)Samseau Wrote:  You guys are brainwashed. This isn't about politics, it's about economics. WHO IS GOING TO PAY unskilled workers 10 bucks an hour to file papers?

Everybody. Just like they used to before the Boomers took over. Why? Because the other alternative is doing it yourself. And my time is worth a lot more than $10 an hour.

Post: #61

(06-14-2013 09:07 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Using kitchens yet again as a metaphor (sorry, it's what I know). When you intern at a high end kitchen, you're not butchering fish or cooking meat. You're peeling carrots. Peeling potatoes. Dethreading snap peas. Peeling cases of shrimp. It's bitch work, and it's called paying your dues.

There's bitch work in every field, and I agree you should start from the bottom, but at the same time you should be compensated for it. Know what's better sitting around peeling shrimp for 8 hours? Not sitting around peeling shrimp for 8 hours. And I think there's position bias here too. What happens when your boss says to you you'll be working for free with no pay other than the opportunity of a promotion one day, maybe.

And what sort of month long trial period do you really need for someone like this? "He couldn't file papers and cut carrots properly so we had to let him go" This isn't someone cooking for 5* restraunts. If you can't tell within 5 minutes whether someone isn't so retarded that can't handle paper shuffling, then you shouldn't be a manager.

Post: #62

(06-14-2013 10:38 PM)cibo Wrote:  You're telling me you work at a high end restaurant, and you can't spend like a 1k (minimum wage) over a month or so to test out a kid? Do realize that just by paying something, you'll increase the amount of quality candidates applying.

That's exactly what I AM doing and it sucks. Because the process of hiring and firing requires so many hoops to jump through in California, I'm stuck with what I get. I'm forced to hire the "best" candidate, and then I'm forced to hang onto their sorry ass because in order to fire them I've got to leave a pristine paper trail of writeups, warnings and records of conversation. Fortunately I've worked in enough corporate restaurants that I do this shit like a breeze and save my company money. But it's a huge waste of time, and time is money. I came up in restaurants where you'd get fired on the spot if you couldn't keep up. Kitchens that do that now find themselves in deep lawsuits that are leaned heavily against them. The labor policies in California produce kitchens full of entitled employees that wind up lazier and shittier. I've seen it all first hand.

I look at resumes, I try to read the candidate the best I can, fill out their W-4 and I-9, and that's that. What the fuck kind of hiring process is that? That's why my turnover rate is so high. Over the past year I fire someone every two weeks because I had to hire them to see how they work and then fire them because they suck. This is costly and isn't good business. It requires zero investment from the employee, gives them little incentive, and makes them more entitled.

Post: #63

(06-15-2013 12:32 AM)Seadog Wrote:  There's bitch work in every field, and I agree you should start from the bottom, but at the same time you should be compensated for it. Know what's better sitting around peeling shrimp for 8 hours? Not sitting around peeling shrimp for 8 hours.

This is exactly the mindset that is producing complacent employees. Sorry, I'm of the old school where doing grueling bitch work hardens you up and makes you a true mercenary at what you do.

Post: #64

(06-15-2013 12:59 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

(06-15-2013 12:32 AM)Seadog Wrote:  There's bitch work in every field, and I agree you should start from the bottom, but at the same time you should be compensated for it. Know what's better sitting around peeling shrimp for 8 hours? Not sitting around peeling shrimp for 8 hours.

This is exactly the mindset that is producing complacent employees. Sorry, I'm of the old school where doing grueling bitch work hardens you up and makes you a true mercenary at what you do.

If there are jobs that can only be compensated with zero dollars and zero benefits, then they're not worth doing. I support abolishing the minimum wage, but I get the sense that even then there would be unpaid internships because the wages employers would offer would be so low they'd look more respectable offering nothing. Fuck that shit.

Internships compare badly to apprenticeships. Historically, apprentices not only got room and board for years but learned a trade first hand. Unpaid interns learn only how to schmooze and network.

Post: #65

(06-15-2013 12:57 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

(06-14-2013 10:38 PM)cibo Wrote:  You're telling me you work at a high end restaurant, and you can't spend like a 1k (minimum wage) over a month or so to test out a kid? Do realize that just by paying something, you'll increase the amount of quality candidates applying.

That's exactly what I AM doing and it sucks. Because the process of hiring and firing requires so many hoops to jump through in California, I'm stuck with what I get. I'm forced to hire the "best" candidate, and then I'm forced to hang onto their sorry ass because in order to fire them I've got to leave a pristine paper trail of writeups, warnings and records of conversation. Fortunately I've worked in enough corporate restaurants that I do this shit like a breeze and save my company money. But it's a huge waste of time, and time is money. I came up in restaurants where you'd get fired on the spot if you couldn't keep up. Kitchens that do that now find themselves in deep lawsuits that are leaned heavily against them. The labor policies in California produce kitchens full of entitled employees that wind up lazier and shittier. I've seen it all first hand.

I look at resumes, I try to read the candidate the best I can, fill out their W-4 and I-9, and that's that. What the fuck kind of hiring process is that? That's why my turnover rate is so high. Over the past year I fire someone every two weeks because I had to hire them to see how they work and then fire them because they suck. This is costly and isn't good business. It requires zero investment from the employee, gives them little incentive, and makes them more entitled.

I'm probably missing something here, so forgive my ignorance, but couldnt you just have someone cook for you as part of the interview?

I've had to make stats models, take tests, write code, solve business cases and all sorts of BS for like 4-5 rounds of interviews. I would think you could legitimately test a candidates ability to make a dish.

Post: #66

(06-15-2013 12:59 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

(06-15-2013 12:32 AM)Seadog Wrote:  There's bitch work in every field, and I agree you should start from the bottom, but at the same time you should be compensated for it. Know what's better sitting around peeling shrimp for 8 hours? Not sitting around peeling shrimp for 8 hours.

This is exactly the mindset that is producing complacent employees. Sorry, I'm of the old school where doing grueling bitch work hardens you up and makes you a true mercenary at what you do.

I wasn't making the point that you shouldn't have to do it, or am above it, I was making the point that as a boss, you probably have much more important things than to do it yourself, hence you should pay someone for it.

Post: #67

(06-14-2013 08:47 PM)Samseau Wrote:  I'm waiting for you guys to pass laws that force companies to hire college students. Because that's the only way they'll get a job. No one is going to pay for the "privilege" to teach skills to students that never learned shit in school.

You guys are brainwashed. This isn't about politics, it's about economics. WHO IS GOING TO PAY unskilled workers 10 bucks an hour to file papers?

I am willing to bet $100 to anyone that unemployment will rise as a result of this. Who else is willing to put their money where their mouth this?

It will but they will find a way to paper over it. Either by some program that "bridges" youth off internships into other (non existing) jobs (way down be road) simply to give BLS more time until thy have to count them onto the stats sheet, andt they will hope these kids only just look for jobs for a few months then get lazy and stop.

Young adult unemployment is already 40% some casses higher. Just being consertive you could see a 5% jump in that, that's how big this slave trade is.

Agian this proves the smoke and mirrors that is the American economy. A lot of money swirling around and people doing "stuff" but it's all just hot air and activity, there is very little productivity actually going on.

Both sides are right on this - It's pathetic and exploitive that such a large part of the American economy is built of SCAB and free labour because you will always get the worst quality of labour in those situations 100% of the time.

Your under the table paid Mexican picking strawberries provides more value/production to the economy then some loser kid shuffling papers and doing soft admin stuff the firm is to cheap to pay some girl min wage to do.

Of course there is the other end where talented grads get wholesale exploited to do heavy work, and back in the day this was a 'bitch pill' you could swallow for a short period of time as the trade off in connections, and experience was invaluable.

Today that is out the window. I have friends whom have done grad and post grad studies in America and they laugh at the idiots whom have gotten internship posts at places such as the FDA, and CALPERS. Literally kids that would fail first year liberal studies classes in Canada simply for the fact that such a large slave class exists in the world of internships. So gone are the days you could hustle them, it only means anything to use the experience to go international. I can leverage a American coffee running internship into a mid-level position making 34$ a hour here in Canada. I've seen dudes hustle jobs printing files for some shit firm in Chicago and are now high up here in Canadian firms whom love drinking that kool-aid in that assuming all that is 'made in the USA' is indeed better.

This is a blessing and a curse. This game kept legions of youth "employed" and was a Segway into some type of legit work. What will these kids do when those internship jobs don't turn into real ones?

You can smell slave traps when they want you to work 8hr shifts. No fool is going to put free labour out there for more than 5-6hrs per day because you always get poor quality effort and work. There is a point in which that time becomes wasted as a more capable person can do the work in less time. Then the trap comes also of working your slave to the bone where they devote so much time to you that they can barley feed and house themselves. In time they get slower and burnt out and then will agian start producing and giving you less.
The slave owner can live with lazy slaves to a point but when they become lazy because they became smart and aware of the system the slave owner is fucked and his days are numberd - exact shit that has happend here with the ruling.

I see value in proving yourself and it's warranted for many industiries but the whole thing as a whole overall is a slave hustle. If Govt was serious they would force rich and oppulant schools to bring in internships in house and do co-ops to ensure kids learn stuff and it's not exploitive by capping hours. Next lower min wage to open the flood gates to Thkse willing to bust ass for a living. Lowering it frees up cheap and hesitant firms to open and and expand their workforce. Lastly if firms don't like either then leave the 'stipend' option where you have to provide something as in a means to feed and house themselves if you want their labour. Fuck your politics if you can't agree somebody has to be able to feed and house themselves off effort they put forth in labour. If you introduce those options the problem would fix itself in a few months. No chance it happens though so watch the problem tank even further of the cliff.

Post: #68

dupe

Post: #69

(06-14-2013 01:56 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  There's no tryout or stage anymore because thanks to liberal policymakers in California, it's illegal.

This is exactly like drafting for a baseball team and having to hire a shortstop without EVER SEEING HIM PLAY.

Your place may be going further than they have to, and then complaining about their own extreme defensive approach.

It's a big gap between 3 days of full work to absolute zero work sample.

I think you are allowed to give some small tests, in biz interviews they do questions like case studies, I think even when you try to get a job in Walmart they give you arithmetic tests, and I'm pretty sure Walmart has some employment law knowledge. If a job interview takes an hour, you should be able to give a skills test for an hour.

You could put some work in to devise a test of chopping onions etc , without taking up three days of someone's life. If you can ask to see a work sample, and it's not to steal days of someone's work, it's just laziness to not create some time -efficient tests and just ask someone to hang for three days for zero pay.

If you want to be in one of the richest states and make money off the inhabitants (California), that educated populace ("liberals" like me here in CA) wants to see people get paid for their work. If you were in West Virginia, you could probably push workers harder.
That's also "taking responsibility" for where you want to be and the price involved. You may be of the "Old School", but Californians for the most part are decidedly not, and you want to be here and make money here.

I'm not an employment lawyer.

Post: #70

I think its equally arrogant on the part of employers here. I'm seeing people complaining about all the shit employees they have to deal with, but at the same time expecting people to work for free.

Want to solve shitty employees? Here's a quick solution, guaranteed to work. Triple what you offer. Apparently jobs are hard to come by, yet people are also having a hard time finding good people? If you're tired of dealing with high school drop outs who are still the 'best of the lot', your price is wrong. A good employee in any field, whether its a doctor or dishwasher is valuable. Yet it seems like a lot of people want to pay the minimum they legally can, and still have that kind of quality.

Thedude, I can imagine that it does suck, but I guess it sucks less than paying someone more? Like everything, you get what you pay for.

And I think this isn't the spirit of the OP either. There is a world of difference between having someone cook a few meals, or hell even work 3 days free (this sounds more like a probationary period than an internship) than there is hiring new or almost new grades under the guise of learning, then having them do bitch work for 4 months.

Going off topic, but I think this is a symptom of how the whole system is broken here. People can coast through life in North America, don't have to work very hard, and just ride that momentum of accomplishment from the past 100 years. Instead of going to school for something useful, they go for 'something they love'. Now they're surprised no one gives a shit they can use Word, but not much else.

If you want money, get a degree or trade that is very useful and in demand. Then people will be coming to you. I don't hear doctors complaining about youth unemployment. It's largely the middle of the pack people with useless degrees who never really knew the meaning of real work. Most people who are willing to work their ass off (Engineering school, med school, law school, 16 hr days for 4 months straight in the oil fields) are all doing fine or great.

Post: #71

Most of these kids should blame themselves. While back in the day working for free to prove yourself may have been an option, nowadays it seems pretty stupid. I can understand their decision from a position of desperation.

I can understand the company's decisions as well. The issue is that some of the younger kids I've interviewed for positions are complete bullshitters. They have these impressive resumes with supposedly all the right skills, but when you ask them a simple question they don't know what is going on. Personally I've learned more from on the job training than school. With the internet anyone can seem like a pseudo expert on a subject and it's possible they can fool someone on an interview.

Post: #72

Blame themselves? Work harder? Jesus.

We work harder now in America than we have in generations, especially in the so-called "learned professions," than we have in generations, and are getting less for it daily.

Working for free isn't a "stupid" option for kids looking to break into industries. It's essentially a requirement that has been foisted solely on the Millennial generation by their forebears who, for various reasons mostly boiling down to their own greed, are no longer willing to pay the costs of training the next crop of employees, despite the long-run advantages of having a stable and happy workforce.

Speaking of Kitchen Confidential, remember when Bourdain goes into his buddy's restaurant? What does he find there? American line workers instead of the illegals he hires, high pay for the kitchen industry, no sexual harassment or screaming going on, quiet efficiency instead of chaos, an immaculately clean kitchen, and perfect food service. I'll leave the metaphor to you.

Post: #73

To answer a few questions:

If I was just hiring for a prep cook, sure, I could have them chop me an onion. However, technically, even that's a liability now. That same 1-Michelin star restaurant where I worked, we had an older guy stage once. He slipped and fell and came after the restaurant. I actually don't know how that case was resolved, but since he wasn't an employee of the restaurant, he wasn't covered by worker's comp. If you try to explain the concept of a "stage" to the labor board here, expect some sideways glances or maybe a few laughs. It's not in their lexicon. There's basically no amount of liability worth someone that's not a paid employee coming into the kitchen to try out, it's gotten that difficult and risky.

To those saying, "Well, just pay them more." I don't know shit about profit structures in other industries, but in restaurants it's slim. Believe me, I've got some rockstars in my kitchen that I would LOVE to pay $18/hr, because I think they're worth it. But I have to pay them $13. Why? Because I don't work at a high volume restaurant that generates massive cash flow, I work at a small boutique hotel. Anyone thinking that fine dining restaurants pay more, it doesn't work that way. The best restaurants in L.A. start at $10. I start at $11 as a probationary period and if they work out I give them $12, with the incentive that there's room for more. This is pushing it on my part; I'm budgeted by my bosses to only pay $11 but I know you can't get quality cooks for that price. My labor percentage should never get above 15% of total food sales, and ideally should be closer to 10%. If you're not running a kitchen that's throwing 500 covers on Fridays and Saturdays, doing over 150K in sales, it's going to be hard to operate in these margins and you have to watch your budget extremely closely. There's a restaurant here called Bottega Louie, pretty famous joint, that does over 300K in sales weekly. They can afford a goddamn army in the kitchen and pay them well, give them benefits, etc. That's great and all, but it doesn't work that way for smaller restaurants.

You guys might be misunderstanding me: I'm not against paying for quality, in fact I'm all for it. I get paid a great salary; I'm making more than I ever have in my life, but I've been doing this for 12 years and if I may be so bold I'm pretty decent at it. My problem is kids coming right out of cooking school, or new employees expecting the same pay as my line cooks that have 5-10 years of experience.

And I can wholeheartedly make the assertion: Kids coming out of cooking school are USELESS. They are not worth paying. I can't count how many of them I've gone through, so I don't hire them anymore. When I came out of cooking school, I was USELESS. My first job out of school, I was banging on this old Italian guy's door that ran a 1-Michelin star and begged him to let me work there, I'd work for free dammit. I knew I was part of a long tradition of apprenticeship that would eventually pay off, and it has. And you know what I was doing there? Bitch work. Peeling shrimp. Mopping the floor. Washing salad greens. And I got to watch the old man cook and scream at everyone, and I learned more from him in 1 week than I did in a year at cooking school.

Those cooks at Veritas, those are vets. I don't know how much they were making in that anecdote from Bourdain, but cooks in NYC typically make more anyway for a lot of reasons, mostly stemming from the fact that generally, good restaurants in NYC are more profitable than good restaurants in L.A. There's more money in NY, people eat out more, people spend more at restaurants, take them more seriously, etc. Not really an apt comparison. NYC is extremely competitive for that reason. I'm talking about kids right out of school, and you're talking about cream of the crop cooking vets in NYC. Two very different animals. Kids right out of school knocking on my door for a job demanding $13...hell, they're more than welcome to try and make it in NYC. They wouldn't even get hired as a dishwasher.

Post: #74

The whole, "internships help you get industry contacts" meme is totally false.

I can guarantee that you can spend 3, 4, or even 5 months working unpaid with a company and at the end have nothing to show for it.

That's the carrot people dangle in front of you. Newsflash! You getting a job from your internship is hitting the lottery. It doesn't happen anymore because there are so many people working as interns every year. What are they going to do? Hire each new crop every year? Of course not.

I'm a prima donna i guess, because i've worked minimum wage food service jobs prior to getting that shitty internship. Now i get an unpaid internship doing the same type of grunt work in a white collar job? What a joke.

Post: #75

(06-14-2013 08:47 PM)Samseau Wrote:  I'm waiting for you guys to pass laws that force companies to hire college students. Because that's the only way they'll get a job. No one is going to pay for the "privilege" to teach skills to students that never learned shit in school.

You guys are brainwashed. This isn't about politics, it's about economics. WHO IS GOING TO PAY unskilled workers 10 bucks an hour to file papers?

I am willing to bet $100 to anyone that unemployment will rise as a result of this. Who else is willing to put their money where their mouth this?

Lol well there is literally no way you could make that bet and verify it so no luck there. The fact that you even think there is says alot.

Where is this alternate universe you live in where unskilled workers do not earn minimum wage or $10 an hour? Garbage-men make more than that.

And in this alternate reality you live in, companies do not want new graduates? Here on earth plenty of companies like to hire college graduates from good schools right out of college. The company I work for has literally thousands of paid internships in the summertime.

I feel like your almost just making stuff up as you go along or may even be trolling now.