Post: #26

Yeah.. due to things like craziness, connections with social circle, etc...

Post: #27

(05-18-2013 04:36 AM)DrZoidberg Wrote:  I have. I literally just had her. she was drunk, naked, in my bed, waiting to be fucked. we'd already agreed upon what would happen. then she said one thing, and suddenly I found her attitude unacceptable. I could have brushed it off and fucked her. in that moment, I knew it. but I said, "you know what dude? you're already irritating me." she said "fine I'll just leave" so I went in the other room, she got dressed, and left. I felt bad about it. not the first time I passed on a sure thing, but it was the first time I felt bad.

what did she say? depending on what she said, i might be agreeing with you, or not.

Generally, I consider it a sign of maturity to look at what the other person's intent was: were they trying to be deliberately shitty? If so, then sure, tell her to get off on your shoe. If you are taking offense when none was meant, then yeah, that is your bad.

Post: #28

I've turned down a sure thing, the girl still texts me a lot, I think I'll probably bang her when I return to her country but I feel she thinks I'm the one that got away. I'm not arsed to be honest, I discussed it with Krauser at the time as he asked me what the situation with her was. I felt at the time it was like going to be sympathy sex.

Post: #29

I've turned down a sure thing more than once, but like a couple others, I don't think turning down a girl that's not really that attractive is a big deal.

I've been woken up by a girl with an incredible body and pretty face (but not my type and definitely not compatible personality-wise) straddling me in nothing but panties and wanting to fuck me incredibly bad. Then I almost had a false rape accusation after turning her down. If anyone wants to read more about it the full story is here.

God she had such nice tits, as a man I can't help but still want to tittyfuck them even though she royally pissed me off and I don't really regret turning her down.

Post: #30

(05-20-2013 01:32 AM)master_thespian Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 04:36 AM)DrZoidberg Wrote:  I have. I literally just had her. she was drunk, naked, in my bed, waiting to be fucked. we'd already agreed upon what would happen. then she said one thing, and suddenly I found her attitude unacceptable. I could have brushed it off and fucked her. in that moment, I knew it. but I said, "you know what dude? you're already irritating me." she said "fine I'll just leave" so I went in the other room, she got dressed, and left. I felt bad about it. not the first time I passed on a sure thing, but it was the first time I felt bad.

what did she say? depending on what she said, i might be agreeing with you, or not.

Generally, I consider it a sign of maturity to look at what the other person's intent was: were they trying to be deliberately shitty? If so, then sure, tell her to get off on your shoe. If you are taking offense when none was meant, then yeah, that is your bad.

well basically she started bitching because I put my hand on her neck. I wasn't choking her or anything, just sorta pushed her back against the bed. usually girls like when I do dominant things like that, at the very least they just brush it off, but this chick made a HUGE deal about it.

I'd already been on one "date" with this girl, and to be honest aside from the fact that I wanted to fuck her, there was literally nothing else I liked about her. I found her attitude to be very combative, bitchy, and irritating. she had no humor, nothing interesting to say, so pretty much it was a one sided conversation the whole time. she didn't smile at all. she never asked me a single question, and when I'd ask her things she'd give a minimal response. she was even critical of some of the things I talked about on the date. I wanted to get up and leave at several points, but I didn't. I thought if I got a bang out of it, that would make up for things.

anyway she texted me afterwards saying she'd had a great time and everything. she was the one who asked me out and displayed all the interest, I barely displayed any in her at first and wouldn't have gone out with her otherwise. anyway after the date, I basically told her I'd fuck her, but I didn't really wanna go on another date with her because I felt we had no chemistry. that's basically just my way of saying I found her presence to be about as charming as insect bites. anyway, she seemed disappointed at first that I didn't wanna be her soul mate, but then she started sending me dirty texts, pics, etc, and basically said she was DTF. that night we were both pretty drunk (I got drunk AFTER I got home though) and she sent me a text that said "wanna do it?" I'd had a brutal night, I thought maybe fucking her would make me feel better.

anyway that's a bit more information than you asked for. but I figured this would put things into perspective for you a bit better and give you some context. it wasn't just what she said. it was the look on her face, and the tone she took with me. if she wanted to fuck, all she had to do was keep her mouth shut. I was a bit bummed out about this for awhile. usually in the past when I was in a situation like that, I'd just power through it and do it for the notch. in that moment though, I just wanted her out of my fucking house. I'm getting to a point where I care less about notches...and my tolerance for bitchiness has basically gone to zero. I'll be damned if I put up with it in my own house, in my own bed.

Post: #31

Dr Zoidberg (V)( ;,,,; )(V)

Ha.

Anyway mate, nice one for clearing your situation up. Apologies if I got the wrong impression, but yes, I've been there a few times and am just about coming to terms with it all now. My current girl annoys the hell out of me some times, I have no intellectual conversations with her, she wants the typical relationship people have, asking me to take her out places and all that but I can't be arsed with it. I genuinely just want her to come round every now and then to have sex with me, maybe take her out once in a while to show her off, but that's it. I'm on a completely different trail of thought with her and all the other girls I've been with the past 6 months or so.

While they're talking to get to know me and imagining what my life is like and thinking about a future with me, all I'm thinking about is what hooks to use and what tactics I'm going to play so I can have sex with her. Sometimes they'll say "we'll have to go and do this" or "I'll take you to this place", or my favourite "when's your birthday? damn, that's close to Christmas! that's gonna be expensive!" while I'm thinking in my head "pfft, yeah right".

I think that's fucked up, but at the same time when I get sad about it, it motivates me to keep going and find a better girl than the previous one which leads to more approaches.

Have a read of this by Bill Powell. It's called Red Pill isolation and is one of my favourite manosphere articles I've ever read. You'll definitely be able to relate: http://apocalypsecometh.com/red-pill-isolation/

Post: #32

(05-20-2013 03:30 PM)DrZoidberg Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 01:32 AM)master_thespian Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 04:36 AM)DrZoidberg Wrote:  I have. I literally just had her. she was drunk, naked, in my bed, waiting to be fucked. we'd already agreed upon what would happen. then she said one thing, and suddenly I found her attitude unacceptable. I could have brushed it off and fucked her. in that moment, I knew it. but I said, "you know what dude? you're already irritating me." she said "fine I'll just leave" so I went in the other room, she got dressed, and left. I felt bad about it. not the first time I passed on a sure thing, but it was the first time I felt bad.

what did she say? depending on what she said, i might be agreeing with you, or not.

Generally, I consider it a sign of maturity to look at what the other person's intent was: were they trying to be deliberately shitty? If so, then sure, tell her to get off on your shoe. If you are taking offense when none was meant, then yeah, that is your bad.

well basically she started bitching because I put my hand on her neck. I wasn't choking her or anything, just sorta pushed her back against the bed. usually girls like when I do dominant things like that, at the very least they just brush it off, but this chick made a HUGE deal about it.

I'd already been on one "date" with this girl, and to be honest aside from the fact that I wanted to fuck her, there was literally nothing else I liked about her. I found her attitude to be very combative, bitchy, and irritating. she had no humor, nothing interesting to say, so pretty much it was a one sided conversation the whole time. she didn't smile at all.

She sounds extremely damaged(if I had to guess, possibly abused as a child or domestic violence as an adult- this doesn't excuse or justify her social ineptitude but it would explain it).

On the plus side, she is almost certainly going to be down to fuck on whatever arrangement you want(at the most, occasional fuck buddies). Is she hot at least?

Post: #33

As far as new notches go, almost every time I've turned down a boner worthy sure thing, I've had remorse.

Post: #34

Man I have done it countless times when I was younger. An I regret every single time now... I was young an cocky and getting crazy strange on the regular, I got a kick out of turing down girls trying to fuck... Damn looking back now tho I was a fool. I wasnt turning them down cause they were fatties or not hot, one of those girls ended up going overseas an doing some modeling, I could have got my mexican flag from one little girl who snuck to my house before school an wanted me to put it in her ass, I just thought I would do it another day an sent her to school and never saw her again :/ countless other stupid choices.

Post: #35

Ever heard the saying "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" ?

Well, be careful out there, especially if she's connected to your social/work life. She can cause you trouble further down the line, especially when she feels she can overturn your "male dominance" and make you pay for "rejecting her". Many females can be very crazy sensitive about this stuff, often they think every man wants "sex" from them and when they deem they are offering it, and you appear to refuse, watch out!

(05-18-2013 09:23 AM)Ensam Wrote:  I never kick girls out of bed but sometimes I wont sleep with them. Just a finger bang to get them off and keep everybody happy.

This doesn't always work to keep "everybody happy" either!

She'll then go to her friends and have an awkward story to tell... this is a bit like if you were to say to the guys, she only let me touch her boobies.

Post: #36

While I have had many women show me interested, I've had over the passed two years about eight women throw themselves at me. Only two of them were purely direct about their intentions (straight up as fuck about us having sex), but the other six were definitely pushing it in that direction.

I must note, THEY approached me first, THEY carried the conversation and essentially, GAMED me. Something about this, no matter how easy and how quickly everything fell into place, really fucks with my idea about game and getting pussy. I start to hesitate, I start to get weird and back the fuck off. A part of me says "It's cool, she digs you, just chill" until it's retardedly too late, even though the chicks are still texting me to come and chill and all that.

So, I'd say yes, I've turned down eight sure things because I have weird social ideas when the girls approach me and I'm not the one actively approaching/gaming them.

Shit. Gotta work on that. That's like, four free bangs a year.

Post: #37

(05-21-2013 05:09 AM)master_thespian Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 03:30 PM)DrZoidberg Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 01:32 AM)master_thespian Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 04:36 AM)DrZoidberg Wrote:  I have. I literally just had her. she was drunk, naked, in my bed, waiting to be fucked. we'd already agreed upon what would happen. then she said one thing, and suddenly I found her attitude unacceptable. I could have brushed it off and fucked her. in that moment, I knew it. but I said, "you know what dude? you're already irritating me." she said "fine I'll just leave" so I went in the other room, she got dressed, and left. I felt bad about it. not the first time I passed on a sure thing, but it was the first time I felt bad.

what did she say? depending on what she said, i might be agreeing with you, or not.

Generally, I consider it a sign of maturity to look at what the other person's intent was: were they trying to be deliberately shitty? If so, then sure, tell her to get off on your shoe. If you are taking offense when none was meant, then yeah, that is your bad.

well basically she started bitching because I put my hand on her neck. I wasn't choking her or anything, just sorta pushed her back against the bed. usually girls like when I do dominant things like that, at the very least they just brush it off, but this chick made a HUGE deal about it.

I'd already been on one "date" with this girl, and to be honest aside from the fact that I wanted to fuck her, there was literally nothing else I liked about her. I found her attitude to be very combative, bitchy, and irritating. she had no humor, nothing interesting to say, so pretty much it was a one sided conversation the whole time. she didn't smile at all.

She sounds extremely damaged(if I had to guess, possibly abused as a child or domestic violence as an adult- this doesn't excuse or justify her social ineptitude but it would explain it).

On the plus side, she is almost certainly going to be down to fuck on whatever arrangement you want(at the most, occasional fuck buddies). Is she hot at least?

I dunno man, I've met a lot of really damaged chicks. I don't think it was because she was molested or anything like that. I think she is just naturally a bitch. here's a bit of background, in case you're interested:

I first met her when I was about 15, I'm guessing. she was a little bit younger, not quite sure by how much. anyway she was really hot back then, I'd say an 8. I went on one date with her, to the movies. we saw the first lord of the rings movie, which was like 4 hours long...we messed around in the theater pretty much the whole time. we never went on a date #2, I think her reasoning was because I didn't like country music. she was actually kind of a bitch back then too, looking back. the only reason I was out with her then too was only because I wanted to bang.

anyway fast forward to about a month or two ago. I had reactivated my facebook account briefly for school, because I was using it to keep up with group members and such. apparently I'd sent her a friend request like two years ago before I disabled it, but I hadn't seen her pictures...I guess it popped up again. she accepted and started sending me messages. I looked at her pictures and sadly, most of her hotness was gone. as she got older, she had put on quite a bit of weight, and her face was not nearly as cute either. I looked through her pictures with a feeling of sadness. but I figured I'd talk to her a bit, even though judging by her pictures I knew I didn't want to fuck her at that point.

by the way, she still lives with her mom, and is working on finishing up an MBA. if you are a regular reader of roosh's, that should tell you a lot about her, and that, combined with her weight gain, explains a lot of the increased bitchiness. anyway I was texting with her and asked for some body pics, since she was hitting on me and trying to set up a date. I figured I might be pleasantly surprised, might as well give her a chance. at first she wouldn't, so I backed off and expressed zero interest, stopped replying,etc...then she sent me a few naked pics. to my surprise, she was actually quite fuckworthy! it looked like she'd lost a decent amount of weight and been working out since her most recent facebook pics. her legs and ass were pretty nice, she had nice big tits. she was still a bit thick, but you have to understand that's actually a turn on for me, if a chick is a little thick, but works out and isn't TOO thick. so at that point, I REALLY wanted to fuck her. if I had to rate her, I'd give her a 6.5, maybe a 7...but she'd be a full point prettier (to me at least) if she didn't always have such a bitchy look on her face.

anyway I doubt if I will ever see or hear from her again. sure I could try sending a restart text or something. to be honest, though, I don't want to. for a long time, I was just trying to increase my notch count. my goal was 50. after that, I made a promise to myself that I would stop chasing pussy just for the fuck. if I fuck a girl, it has to be because I really want to fuck her. I won't waste much time on a girl if I find her attitude unacceptable. I've slowed down quite a bit since then, but I think it's been worth it. I've been able to set up longer-term fuckbuddies who I actually enjoy spending time with, which is better for maintaining my sanity. I've had fuckbuddies in the past who I could get some easy sex from, but spending time with them was unpleasant, and I don't really wanna keep doing that. if I do have a fuckbuddy, I have to enjoy her company too. and right now, I am lucky enough to have that, so I don't wanna add someone I almost hate to the rotation.

also, the program I'm in keeps me incredibly busy, and it wears me down a lot, both physically and mentally. so I don't have nearly as much time or energy to chase pussy. that's also probably part of the reason my tolerance for bitchy girls, or girls who act flakey even though they are half as busy as me, went to pretty much zero. nowadays, I drop WAY more girls than I pursue. it's hard to do, after getting so used to always going for the notch...especially when you have one literally naked in your bed, ready to go. as selective as I am, and as much work as I've put into myself and into meeting girls, it is still extremely challenging just to find ones that meet my minimum requirements. I guess that was why I had a slight meltdown...after putting so much work, time, and energy into myself, and girls, it sucks to constantly keep running into bitches who are doing nothing, not even the basic minimum upkeep to avoid getting fat and losing the one asset they have, and to still have to deal with the attitudes and flakiness you would only expect from a really hot girl. it sucks to spend all night out dealing with snarky, bitchy attitudes, then to finally think you're getting laid at the end of the night and instead get one giant, bitchy attitude. at that point, it seemed like there was no hope. but hey, now it's just another fucked up story I can tell people and get a laugh out of.

Post: #38

sure, for a number of reasons.

Some I knew wanted more than sex when I didn't
Some were nuts and made me concerned for one of both of out safety
Some were baby crazy so I wasn't going to take a chance
Some were looking for a meal ticket
Some were friend's ex girls
Some I just wanted to tell them no.

Post: #39

(05-21-2013 09:49 PM)RouteBackwards Wrote:  While I have had many women show me interested, I've had over the passed two years about eight women throw themselves at me. Only two of them were purely direct about their intentions (straight up as fuck about us having sex), but the other six were definitely pushing it in that direction.

I must note, THEY approached me first, THEY carried the conversation and essentially, GAMED me. Something about this, no matter how easy and how quickly everything fell into place, really fucks with my idea about game and getting pussy. I start to hesitate, I start to get weird and back the fuck off. A part of me says "It's cool, she digs you, just chill" until it's retardedly too late, even though the chicks are still texting me to come and chill and all that.

So, I'd say yes, I've turned down eight sure things because I have weird social ideas when the girls approach me and I'm not the one actively approaching/gaming them.

Shit. Gotta work on that. That's like, four free bangs a year.

That's a classic robbery setup in some of the places I've lived, so its always a questionable thing for me when they make it too easy.