Post: #226

(02-20-2013 11:25 AM)Volk Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 11:18 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Who owns the Hooters Franchise in Medellin?

Americans? Or Colombians?

I only know about one of the owners, Andrés Hernández. That's as Colombian as you can get. All the management under them is for sure Colombian.

I know first hand that they are Colombians. I have a story about that place that I don't want to post here.

Post: #227

Hey guys.

Super interesting threads on "gringos" in Medellin and the whole girl/dating scene. Here's my take on a lot of posts (by the way, I'm colombian but have lived over half my life in the states including all of high school [100% bilingual, 100% bicultural], have travelled to 33 countries, lots of the time but not most, as a backpacker. My family has always lived in El Poblado).

Yes tons of beautiful girls in Medellin, above average quantity/quality ratio than just about anywhere in the world I've been.

But very, very difficult for a "gringo" to hook up with a 10. Very. Let me explain: Here's the thing most gringos don't grasp, Medellin society is very class divided, and though just by looking around a foreigner can't tell, locals at first glance and chat can instantly tell the difference; by the clothes, the shoes, the hair, facial features, by the name, even by listening to someone on the phone, etc.etc.

Now paisa women are beautiful all over town, but no doubt 10's by definition here would be beautiful high class society Poblado girls.

So why is it just about impossible for a gringo to hook up with one? Well besides the fact that by nature even though paisas are super friendly and engageable they in the long run really prefer to socialize and do business among paisas (not colombinans, paisas), the other thing is gringos own fault. A classy Medellin girl would not get caught being dragged by the hair dead through Lleras by a gringo because she knows for sure it would only be a matter of minutes (society is piramidal, the higher up the smaller the group, and Poblado people are an island village) before being spotted by an acquaintance and gossiped as being a prepago or a gold digger from the barrios named Yurlady, Marjory, Yamile, or something like that.
Since gringos don't know the difference they are known for flip-flopping proudly through Lleras and the clubs and everwhere hand in hand with girls picked up at Lleras or met on colombiancupid.com that tend to fall in these categories (not all of course but yes a LOT), and frankly guys, a lot of them dog ass ugly, by any standards.
Facts: 9's and 10's (by local standards, not by gringo standards) don't care about being flown away to live in another country. They travel everytime they want to on their own visas and think Medellin is the shit.

They only like hooking up with paisa guys, not colombian guys, paisa guys.

Any gringo that hits the dirt here thinking he's hot stuff just cause he's a foreigner is delusional (with the 10 crowd).

Whoever posted that for a gringo to hook up with these type of girls had to first make leeway by social proof was dead on.

Lots of other things could comment on but don't want to bore with a long post. And oh, just want to make something clear, remember, am 100% bilingual (you wouldn't know am colombian on the phone, you'd think I'm gringo) and bicultural (music, tv shows, pledge of allegiance, American History, etc.) so please don't take this as an anti gringo rant, just sharing quirks I pass on to all my gringo buddies that I try to coach on the local dating scene here in Medellin (used to work as a guide just for travellers).

Peace.

Post: #228

Hey guys, couple,of things would like to add...
Latinlovers feb 28 post pretty much nails the whole 10's and society princess' story here in Medellin. Either he's been here a long time, or he's very skilled and perceptive, or he's paisa. Basically forget the 9's and 10's, I personally, despite having a foot in that door, could care less about that target segment.
In 2005 I picked up a copy of Neil Strauss's The Game at Joburg Airport and ever since was turned on to the whole game scene and kept up with research, gaming evolution, and practice. Done it all over. Had girlfriends from many countries. Learned soo much. Us paisa guys get the shit beat out of us by the local talent, girls here are the biggest players on the planet, but after finally figuring it out honed down my game here tight. Way tight and well known for it.
Guys, don't let them play you here, and don't believe a word they say. Paisa girlies are the most devious creatures on the planet, so don't even think of falling for one, mark my words, you'll hurt. But of course that's not what this forum is all about.
Here, with the right game, there is no place on the planet where as much quality tail can be locked down for so little money and effort (not talking about pay to play of course) as in Medellin, imo.
Unfortunately it's getting harder and harder for gringos, like I've said, gringos fault, the details have been well documented on this forum, and like someone said here also, it's been coming down the estratos.

Post: #229

Correction: Latinlovers Jan 28 post, not Feb.

Post: #230

(03-02-2013 12:36 AM)Pontifex12 Wrote:  Hey guys, couple,of things would like to add...
Latinlovers feb 28 post pretty much nails the whole 10's and society princess' story here in Medellin. Either he's been here a long time, or he's very skilled and perceptive, or he's paisa. Basically forget the 9's and 10's, I personally, despite having a foot in that door, could care less about that target segment.
girls here are the biggest players on the planet, but after finally figuring it out honed down my game here tight. Way tight and well known for it.
Guys, don't let them play you here, and don't believe a word they say. Paisa girlies are the most devious creatures on the planet, so don't even think of falling for one, mark my words, you'll hurt. But of course that's not what this forum is all about.
Unfortunately it's getting harder and harder for gringos, like I've said, gringos fault, the details have been well documented on this forum, and like someone said here also, it's been coming down the estratos.

spot on...

Post: #231

(03-02-2013 12:36 AM)Pontifex12 Wrote:  Here, with the right game, there is no place on the planet where as much quality tail can be locked down for so little money and effort (not talking about pay to play of course) as in Medellin, imo.
Unfortunately it's getting harder and harder for gringos, like I've said, gringos fault, the details have been well documented on this forum, and like someone said here also, it's been coming down the estratos.

Personally I think Paisas are just plain harder to crack than comparably attractive women in other areas of Colombia.

Calenas...you can take out dancing and after a few drinks they are making out with you and then you take them home and their pants just fall off. jajaja

I have yet to have anything that easy in Medallo....you really have to talk a good game and then there is only a 50% chance that they will buy your bullshit...In general Paisas are just mentally tougher than most Colombianas I have met. Can't imagine gaming high end Paisas with poor Spanish..... while it can be done in other parts of Colombia without all that much difficulty.

I'm going to give Medellin another try in April and then back to Cali.

Post: #232

Probably true you can crack through easier in Cali for example, but it's pretty much consensus among Colombians that paisas are way more beautiful.
Also maybe no anti gringo deal among Cali girls?

Post: #233

(03-02-2013 12:14 PM)Pontifex12 Wrote:  Probably true you can crack through easier in Cali for example, but it's pretty much consensus among Colombians that paisas are way more beautiful.
Also maybe no anti gringo deal among Cali girls?

I'm not really that into Colombianos tastes in women. Can't tell you how many times I have had a Colombian friend tell me that he is seeing the hottest chick he has ever dated...just to be introduced to a chick that has a great big boob job and fat ass with a face that isn't any better than my maid's. jajaja

I prefer very thin women with a beautiful face.....think Victorias Secret models vs. Chicas Car Audio models. The difference between the muscular well endowed women that Colombianos prefer to what I
consider a 10 gives me my niche advantage here in Colombia.

I do every well in Cali with women that have a nice small ass and nice small breasts. I have a tougher time with them in Medellin
and I'm still not sure why....I wonder if Paisas in general are more interested in thinner women like me.... because the competition for them seems stiffer (or maybe more gringos after them?)....plus the women themselves seem to have a better opinion of their body image compared to the flaquitas in Cali.

I don't know if it is really so much of an anti-gringo sentiment in Medellin so much as a pro paisa sentiment. I have never had anything negative ever said to me in Medellin about being a gringo.

But one thing is for sure the Paisa women are sure not interested in leaving paisalandia....I actually dated two Paisas that I liked enough to invite to come to Cali and stay with me and both of them told me "no" "You stay in Medellin" and you can't change their minds....damn stubborn women.

To early to say for sure because I have slept with so many more Calenas compared to Paisas but so far Calenas have them beat in the bedroom as well.

Post: #234

Will be there in July,,,,,,4+ months !!! Being in the Middle East, I'm gonna be in heaven. Even the stop on Toronto to see the family will be paradise from where I'm coming from......

Medellin is beautiful! Just finished watching on youtube Anthony bourdain a no reservations and can't wait. This thread got me thinking about the place.

Listen, with all this talk on not being able to crack certain paisas from poblado, big deal. There are so many outsid poblado and even hotter. I know a guy who lives there for years so he's got social circle game. He says that he dated these princesses, but get ready to fork out the money each time some reggaeton concert happens or consistently go to some high end $$$$ places to eat. He said you can find just as hot withou breaking your bank account outside pob. Even venture out to Bello. Now, don't go there alone! I mean what can happen, but he warned me not to. I went with him once and believe it or not, hot girls exist outside poblado too (sarcastically).

If you come from a certain area or city, they have "high society" and you can't date these women in that territory easily as well. Same with some poblado paisas. To date them: social circle acceptance, speak good spanish and not do what too many typical gringo tourists do is needed.

Post: #235

(03-02-2013 03:07 PM)tomtud Wrote:  Will be there in July,,,,,,4+ months !!! Being in the Middle East, I'm gonna be in heaven. Even the stop on Toronto to see the family will be paradise from where I'm coming from......

Medellin is beautiful! Just finished watching on youtube Anthony bourdain a no reservations and can't wait. This thread got me thinking about the place.

Listen, with all this talk on not being able to crack certain paisas from poblado, big deal. There are so many outsid poblado and even hotter. I know a guy who lives there for years so he's got social circle game. He says that he dated these princesses, but get ready to fork out the money each time some reggaeton concert happens or consistently go to some high end $$$$ places to eat. He said you can find just as hot withou breaking your bank account outside pob. Even venture out to Bello. Now, don't go there alone! I mean what can happen, but he warned me not to. I went with him once and believe it or not, hot girls exist outside poblado too (sarcastically).

If you come from a certain area or city, they have "high society" and you can't date these women in that territory easily as well. Same with some poblado paisas. To date them: social circle acceptance, speak good spanish and not do what too many typical gringo tourists do is needed.

Man, thanks for the compliments but Medellin is not beautiful. It's a mass of grey concrete and orange dirt brick that I find soulless, but to each their own. Better than Bogota any day of the year.
For all the new guys and the people who just caught word that Medellin is a poosy paradise and that is as easy as the ABC, snap out of it. The reputation came from sex tourists seeking prostitutes, not players that go by cold approach. If you want paisa 9 and 10, be ready to hack it. I know it's possible but it requires being one hell of a con man to do it. So instead, enjoy the lower strata, it's a mixed bag but keep your guard up. I am not Colombian per se, I grew up here but I've never been part of the loop, and for me is just as hard as any of you to get the top women, so don't feel discouraged.

For those who want to live the dream and feel like the world's biggest pimp without effort, but at the expense of your money, here are two names you should engrave in your passport: "La Isla" and "Fase 2". Places like those are the origin of the Medellin myth.

Post: #236

Another take on how the myth could have started. Around 10+ yrs ago there really were no gringo turists to speak of in Colombia besides Cartagena, so first ones adventuring through Medellin were an attraction themselves and therefore attractive to women as males outside the pack tend to be.

Post: #237

(03-03-2013 11:14 PM)Pontifex12 Wrote:  Another take on how the myth could have started. Around 10+ yrs ago there really were no gringo turists to speak of in Colombia besides Cartagena, so first ones adventuring through Medellin were an attraction themselves and therefore attractive to women as males outside the pack tend to be.

I have traveled to and lived off and on in Colombia for over 18 years....and the biggest change I have seen is with the type of guys that come here....the women have changed also but nothing like the guys.

The guys that showed up in Cali 10 or more years ago were mostly type A personalities that pursued women aggressively and were just more serious contenders than the laid back tourist types that try and smooth talk women or impress them with gifts.

When you come to Colombia you will notice that almost all guys date up and most women date down when it comes to looks. I suggest anybody that goes to Colombia to take a good look at what type of guy is dating the super hot 9's and 10's here and more times than not it isn't a guy that would even rate a 7 or 8 and there quite a few 5's and 6's in there. jajaja

So you have to ask yourself what is going on here. And the fact is that most women will never ever make enough money to ever have more than a mediocre lifestyle no matter how educated they are or what line of work they get into....upward mobility for people in Colombia is low and for women on average it is even less.....unless of course the chick is super hot and can some how hook up with a serious contender and that ain't you if you are a tourist just passing through.

So take a good look at the hottest 10's in Medellin or Cali and know that 99 percent of them will never ever own a nice car their entire lives unless some guy decides to buy them one....now I'm not suggesting that you do that....but it does help to have a nice car here that you can let your smoking hot 10 drive from time to time after she moves into your place even if it is only for a few months. jajaja

Which brings up another point why most gringos don't have 10's....they don't have a really nice apartment of their own here and they are in Colombia weeks not months.

Now I don't expect many of you guys will ever put in the time and effort that I have to find and bang the highest quality pussy available in Colombia....but if any of you are interested.... I invite you to come on down and join the club.

Post: #238

(03-04-2013 11:47 AM)WEDO Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 11:14 PM)Pontifex12 Wrote:  Another take on how the myth could have started. Around 10+ yrs ago there really were no gringo turists to speak of in Colombia besides Cartagena, so first ones adventuring through Medellin were an attraction themselves and therefore attractive to women as males outside the pack tend to be.

I have traveled to and lived off and on in Colombia for over 18 years....and the biggest change I have seen is with the type of guys that come here....the women have changed also but nothing like the guys.

The guys that showed up in Cali 10 or more years ago were mostly type A personalities that pursued women aggressively and were just more serious contenders than the laid back tourist types that try and smooth talk women or impress them with gifts.

When you come to Colombia you will notice that almost all guys date up and most women date down when it comes to looks. I suggest anybody that goes to Colombia to take a good look at what type of guy is dating the super hot 9's and 10's here and more times than not it isn't a guy that would even rate a 7 or 8 and there quite a few 5's and 6's in there. jajaja

So you have to ask yourself what is going on here. And the fact is that most women will never ever make enough money to ever have more than a mediocre lifestyle no matter how educated they are or what line of work they get into....upward mobility for people in Colombia is low and for women on average it is even less.....unless of course the chick is super hot and can some how hook up with a serious contender and that ain't you if you are a tourist just passing through.

So take a good look at the hottest 10's in Medellin or Cali and know that 99 percent of them will never ever own a nice car their entire lives unless some guy decides to buy them one....now I'm not suggesting that you do that....but it does help to have a nice car here that you can let your smoking hot 10 drive from time to time after she moves into your place even if it is only for a few months. jajaja

Which brings up another point why most gringos don't have 10's....they don't have a really nice apartment of their own here and they are in Colombia weeks not months.

Now I don't expect many of you guys will ever put in the time and effort that I have to find and bang the highest quality pussy available in Colombia....but if any of you are interested.... I invite you to come on down and join the club.

Curious if you could break down how you got your whole life set up. I know we chatted about it briefly but more curious about the long-term set up (your set up is pretty much my plan as well - 5+ yrs in the future unfortunately).

No worries if you don't want to break it down, but even from the short trip I saw the potential if someone is willing to set up shop there for a year or so. It was relatively hard to figure out what kind of life the people out in Granada were living anyway, seems like everyone just goes to the mall, eats, then gets drunk at night + rinse & repeat.

Post: #239

(03-04-2013 12:16 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 11:47 AM)WEDO Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 11:14 PM)Pontifex12 Wrote:  Another take on how the myth could have started. Around 10+ yrs ago there really were no gringo turists to speak of in Colombia besides Cartagena, so first ones adventuring through Medellin were an attraction themselves and therefore attractive to women as males outside the pack tend to be.

I have traveled to and lived off and on in Colombia for over 18 years....and the biggest change I have seen is with the type of guys that come here....the women have changed also but nothing like the guys.

The guys that showed up in Cali 10 or more years ago were mostly type A personalities that pursued women aggressively and were just more serious contenders than the laid back tourist types that try and smooth talk women or impress them with gifts.

When you come to Colombia you will notice that almost all guys date up and most women date down when it comes to looks. I suggest anybody that goes to Colombia to take a good look at what type of guy is dating the super hot 9's and 10's here and more times than not it isn't a guy that would even rate a 7 or 8 and there quite a few 5's and 6's in there. jajaja

So you have to ask yourself what is going on here. And the fact is that most women will never ever make enough money to ever have more than a mediocre lifestyle no matter how educated they are or what line of work they get into....upward mobility for people in Colombia is low and for women on average it is even less.....unless of course the chick is super hot and can some how hook up with a serious contender and that ain't you if you are a tourist just passing through.

So take a good look at the hottest 10's in Medellin or Cali and know that 99 percent of them will never ever own a nice car their entire lives unless some guy decides to buy them one....now I'm not suggesting that you do that....but it does help to have a nice car here that you can let your smoking hot 10 drive from time to time after she moves into your place even if it is only for a few months. jajaja

Which brings up another point why most gringos don't have 10's....they don't have a really nice apartment of their own here and they are in Colombia weeks not months.

Now I don't expect many of you guys will ever put in the time and effort that I have to find and bang the highest quality pussy available in Colombia....but if any of you are interested.... I invite you to come on down and join the club.

Curious if you could break down how you got your whole life set up. I know we chatted about it briefly but more curious about the long-term set up (your set up is pretty much my plan as well - 5+ yrs in the future unfortunately).

No worries if you don't want to break it down, but even from the short trip I saw the potential if someone is willing to set up shop there for a year or so. It was relatively hard to figure out what kind of life the people out in Granada were living anyway, seems like everyone just goes to the mall, eats, then gets drunk at night + rinse & repeat.

I would love hear a breakdown to WEDO when you have a moment. Have visited both Cali and Medellin. Loved them both, and have been in a depression, since! Haha Sad, but kinda true. Would love to relocate for months at a time. I had a really nice penthouse in Poblado, and freaking loved it!

Post: #240

(03-04-2013 12:24 PM)Jesse33 Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 12:16 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 11:47 AM)WEDO Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 11:14 PM)Pontifex12 Wrote:  Another take on how the myth could have started. Around 10+ yrs ago there really were no gringo turists to speak of in Colombia besides Cartagena, so first ones adventuring through Medellin were an attraction themselves and therefore attractive to women as males outside the pack tend to be.

I have traveled to and lived off and on in Colombia for over 18 years....and the biggest change I have seen is with the type of guys that come here....the women have changed also but nothing like the guys.

The guys that showed up in Cali 10 or more years ago were mostly type A personalities that pursued women aggressively and were just more serious contenders than the laid back tourist types that try and smooth talk women or impress them with gifts.

When you come to Colombia you will notice that almost all guys date up and most women date down when it comes to looks. I suggest anybody that goes to Colombia to take a good look at what type of guy is dating the super hot 9's and 10's here and more times than not it isn't a guy that would even rate a 7 or 8 and there quite a few 5's and 6's in there. jajaja

So you have to ask yourself what is going on here. And the fact is that most women will never ever make enough money to ever have more than a mediocre lifestyle no matter how educated they are or what line of work they get into....upward mobility for people in Colombia is low and for women on average it is even less.....unless of course the chick is super hot and can some how hook up with a serious contender and that ain't you if you are a tourist just passing through.

So take a good look at the hottest 10's in Medellin or Cali and know that 99 percent of them will never ever own a nice car their entire lives unless some guy decides to buy them one....now I'm not suggesting that you do that....but it does help to have a nice car here that you can let your smoking hot 10 drive from time to time after she moves into your place even if it is only for a few months. jajaja

Which brings up another point why most gringos don't have 10's....they don't have a really nice apartment of their own here and they are in Colombia weeks not months.

Now I don't expect many of you guys will ever put in the time and effort that I have to find and bang the highest quality pussy available in Colombia....but if any of you are interested.... I invite you to come on down and join the club.

Curious if you could break down how you got your whole life set up. I know we chatted about it briefly but more curious about the long-term set up (your set up is pretty much my plan as well - 5+ yrs in the future unfortunately).

No worries if you don't want to break it down, but even from the short trip I saw the potential if someone is willing to set up shop there for a year or so. It was relatively hard to figure out what kind of life the people out in Granada were living anyway, seems like everyone just goes to the mall, eats, then gets drunk at night + rinse & repeat.

I would love hear a breakdown to WEDO when you have a moment. Have visited both Cali and Medellin. Loved them both, and have been in a depression, since! Haha Sad, but kinda true. Would love to relocate for months at a time. I had a really nice penthouse in Poblado, and freaking loved it!

I owned an apartment in Cali (barrio Granada) which I sold about five years ago and then I rented an apartment in La Flora for 2 years where
I lived with my girlfriend.

Ran a small business and my girlfriend worked for me....you really have to make sure you are almost madly in love with a chick before you let one move in with you or the opportunity costs of living with a chick will drive you nuts.....many more chicks make themselves available to you when you live in Colombia than would be otherwise.

Most entertainment revolves around socializing in one forum or another. So you really have to be a people person to get the most out of living in Colombia and really be able to make your own party.

A good friend of mine owns a finca on Lago Calima and we would often get a group together and head to the lake on long holiday weekends (and there are like 20 of them in a year). The lake is well know for wind surfing and you can rent all the equipment there....but just how much time can you spend on the water during a three day trip? You have to really click with Colombians in general and really really appreciate banging top notch pussy or Colombia will drive you crazy in the long run.

I have a friend that wants to rent a really big place with me in Cali and I was thinking that it might be fun (or not) to rent rooms to board members and other guys that have similar interests (hot Colombianas).

Post: #241

(03-04-2013 12:16 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 11:47 AM)WEDO Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 11:14 PM)Pontifex12 Wrote:  Another take on how the myth could have started. Around 10+ yrs ago there really were no gringo turists to speak of in Colombia besides Cartagena, so first ones adventuring through Medellin were an attraction themselves and therefore attractive to women as males outside the pack tend to be.

I have traveled to and lived off and on in Colombia for over 18 years....and the biggest change I have seen is with the type of guys that come here....the women have changed also but nothing like the guys.

The guys that showed up in Cali 10 or more years ago were mostly type A personalities that pursued women aggressively and were just more serious contenders than the laid back tourist types that try and smooth talk women or impress them with gifts.

When you come to Colombia you will notice that almost all guys date up and most women date down when it comes to looks. I suggest anybody that goes to Colombia to take a good look at what type of guy is dating the super hot 9's and 10's here and more times than not it isn't a guy that would even rate a 7 or 8 and there quite a few 5's and 6's in there. jajaja

So you have to ask yourself what is going on here. And the fact is that most women will never ever make enough money to ever have more than a mediocre lifestyle no matter how educated they are or what line of work they get into....upward mobility for people in Colombia is low and for women on average it is even less.....unless of course the chick is super hot and can some how hook up with a serious contender and that ain't you if you are a tourist just passing through.

So take a good look at the hottest 10's in Medellin or Cali and know that 99 percent of them will never ever own a nice car their entire lives unless some guy decides to buy them one....now I'm not suggesting that you do that....but it does help to have a nice car here that you can let your smoking hot 10 drive from time to time after she moves into your place even if it is only for a few months. jajaja

Which brings up another point why most gringos don't have 10's....they don't have a really nice apartment of their own here and they are in Colombia weeks not months.

Now I don't expect many of you guys will ever put in the time and effort that I have to find and bang the highest quality pussy available in Colombia....but if any of you are interested.... I invite you to come on down and join the club.

Curious if you could break down how you got your whole life set up. I know we chatted about it briefly but more curious about the long-term set up (your set up is pretty much my plan as well - 5+ yrs in the future unfortunately).

No worries if you don't want to break it down, but even from the short trip I saw the potential if someone is willing to set up shop there for a year or so. It was relatively hard to figure out what kind of life the people out in Granada were living anyway, seems like everyone just goes to the mall, eats, then gets drunk at night + rinse & repeat.

The hardest thing about setting the whole thing up for me was making sure you have enough money to have a really nice lifestyle in Colombia without having to spend a lot of time working.

It takes about 5 grand a month here to have the kind of social life that a guy taking home 20 grand a month would have to have in the states. Bought a brand new Mazda 3 in Cali and it got me much much more pussy than my BMW three series did in the states.

Now there are plenty of pretty damn hot women in Colombia that will date a guy that doesn't have any of what I'm talking about here....but if you really want to hook up with 10's you have to project a lifestyle that is attractive to them....otherwise you will be constantly throwing money around to get their attention and to keep them interested which some guys do...but it is so much better to invest the money in yourself and you end up with a much higher ROI if you ask me.

Post: #242

Yeah that's the part I'm calculating in my head for various places.

I'm assuming making money in Colombia is next to impossible so you're looking online for income. That's the real hurdle IMHO.

Jealous of your life my friend good work out there, I'll find a hustle sooner than later.

Oh one follow up is your 5 number ex rent? Would be a cash outlay to just buy a spot so no rent.

Post: #243

(03-04-2013 07:08 PM)WEDO Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 12:16 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 11:47 AM)WEDO Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 11:14 PM)Pontifex12 Wrote:  Another take on how the myth could have started. Around 10+ yrs ago there really were no gringo turists to speak of in Colombia besides Cartagena, so first ones adventuring through Medellin were an attraction themselves and therefore attractive to women as males outside the pack tend to be.

I have traveled to and lived off and on in Colombia for over 18 years....and the biggest change I have seen is with the type of guys that come here....the women have changed also but nothing like the guys.

The guys that showed up in Cali 10 or more years ago were mostly type A personalities that pursued women aggressively and were just more serious contenders than the laid back tourist types that try and smooth talk women or impress them with gifts.

When you come to Colombia you will notice that almost all guys date up and most women date down when it comes to looks. I suggest anybody that goes to Colombia to take a good look at what type of guy is dating the super hot 9's and 10's here and more times than not it isn't a guy that would even rate a 7 or 8 and there quite a few 5's and 6's in there. jajaja

So you have to ask yourself what is going on here. And the fact is that most women will never ever make enough money to ever have more than a mediocre lifestyle no matter how educated they are or what line of work they get into....upward mobility for people in Colombia is low and for women on average it is even less.....unless of course the chick is super hot and can some how hook up with a serious contender and that ain't you if you are a tourist just passing through.

So take a good look at the hottest 10's in Medellin or Cali and know that 99 percent of them will never ever own a nice car their entire lives unless some guy decides to buy them one....now I'm not suggesting that you do that....but it does help to have a nice car here that you can let your smoking hot 10 drive from time to time after she moves into your place even if it is only for a few months. jajaja

Which brings up another point why most gringos don't have 10's....they don't have a really nice apartment of their own here and they are in Colombia weeks not months.

Now I don't expect many of you guys will ever put in the time and effort that I have to find and bang the highest quality pussy available in Colombia....but if any of you are interested.... I invite you to come on down and join the club.

Curious if you could break down how you got your whole life set up. I know we chatted about it briefly but more curious about the long-term set up (your set up is pretty much my plan as well - 5+ yrs in the future unfortunately).

No worries if you don't want to break it down, but even from the short trip I saw the potential if someone is willing to set up shop there for a year or so. It was relatively hard to figure out what kind of life the people out in Granada were living anyway, seems like everyone just goes to the mall, eats, then gets drunk at night + rinse & repeat.

The hardest thing about setting the whole thing up for me was making sure you have enough money to have a really nice lifestyle in Colombia without having to spend a lot of time working.

It takes about 5 grand a month here to have the kind of social life that a guy taking home 20 grand a month would have to have in the states. Bought a brand new Mazda 3 in Cali and it got me much much more pussy than my BMW three series did in the states.

Now there are plenty of pretty damn hot women in Colombia that will date a guy that doesn't have any of what I'm talking about here....but if you really want to hook up with 10's you have to project a lifestyle that is attractive to them....otherwise you will be constantly throwing money around to get their attention and to keep them interested which some guys do...but it is so much better to invest the money in yourself and you end up with a much higher ROI if you ask me.

Good breakdown.

How well does a guy do in Colombia making 20k per month?

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I wish Cali or Medellin had a damn beach.

Quote:you have to project a lifestyle that is attractive to them

How do you do this besides a nice crib and car?

Throw parties? ?

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(03-04-2013 07:08 PM)WEDO Wrote:  Bought a brand new Mazda 3 in Cali and it got me much much more pussy than my BMW three series did in the states.

Do you ever get hassled by the police when you are driving around Cali? The reason why I ask this is that a friend of mine who is American and who lives in Cali decided to stop owning a car and stop driving because he was continuously getting hassled by the police, who were looking for handouts. This guy I am referring is not some newbie or sex tourist. I would have to say that he is about the sharpest and most saavy American I have ever met overseas.

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(03-04-2013 07:29 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Quote:you have to project a lifestyle that is attractive to them

How do you do this besides a nice crib and car?

Throw parties? ?

You got it. Especially in Cali where the nightlife closing times are the closest thing I have seen in Latin America to the California Police State. When I make that statement, people always respond by saying that Juanchito has very favorable closing times. Juanchito is way off the beaten path if you are staying in a place like Ciudad Jardin and logistics would therefore be horrible. Throwing parties is the solution.

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G, 20k per month is unheard off, unless you run a drug ring, or if you are a corrupt politician (all of them), or if you run a company and pay the employees 25 usd a week (totally legal). You can keep it for a while, but the wrong kind of people will notice and they will know who you are. Almost all the big earners I know are 24/7 with armed bodyguards.

About the guy and the car, it seems he was not as savvy as he made you believe. They want money but they don't get any if they have nothing on you. He got played and taken advantage of. I even told one to literally fuck off and they did, because they have to.

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(03-04-2013 07:36 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 07:29 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Quote:you have to project a lifestyle that is attractive to them

How do you do this besides a nice crib and car?

Throw parties? ?

You got it. Especially in Cali where the nightlife closing times are the closest thing I have seen in Latin America to the California Police State. When I make that statement, people always respond by saying that Juanchito has very favorable closing times. Juanchito is way off the beaten path if you are staying in a place like Ciudad Jardin and logistics would therefore be horrible. Throwing parties is the solution.

Say what?

Cali closes early?

The more I read about other cities, the more I think a certain "Large American city, famous for high levels of competition and beautiful women of all stripes" is the best place on earth.

(03-04-2013 09:49 PM)Volk Wrote:  G, 20k per month is unheard off, unless you run a drug ring, or if you are a corrupt politician (all of them), or if you run a company and pay the employees 25 usd a week (totally legal). You can keep it for a while, but the wrong kind of people will notice and they will know who you are. Almost all the big earners I know are 24/7 with armed bodyguards.

About the guy and the car, it seems he was not as savvy as he made you believe. They want money but they don't get any if they have nothing on you. He got played and taken advantage of. I even told one to literally fuck off and they did, because they have to.

So how do you balance "projecting a lifestyle that is attractive to 10's" and not getting jacked?

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(03-04-2013 11:17 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  So how do you balance "projecting a lifestyle that is attractive to 10's" and not getting jacked?

You don't need 20k a month to do it. However, most of the people that pull such a lifestyle (that I know of) have some dealings in the underworld. I've never seen anyone in Colombia that keeps a high profile and doesn't have criminal links on the side to back himself up. It's simple, keep a low but fun profile or be ready to have somebody to have your back. Many exceedingly rich people have shit cars and dress like crap on the street because of this.
I don't have this problem, though, I don't even earn 20k in a year, I'd need 4 years to get 20k USD.

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Wedo how else do you invest some money in yourself other than a car, nice apartment?

I've been in Manizales the last month and I'm not sure if its my game or the city but I'm really struggling.

I've got highly conversational Spanish and a nice place in a good location, though frankly it just seems like girls are uninterested. Your walking down the street and it seems as though girls look to avoid eye contact. While it easy to get girls numbers they seem to lack interest to actually do something and are always busy with school/work.

I'm a little unsure on what to adjust as I'm 21 my level of game is definitely still begging, or whether I should just give it more time. From my one day in Pereira girls were looking at me and smiling it just seemed so different.

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(03-05-2013 11:03 AM)Road_Less_Taken Wrote:  Wedo how else do you invest some money in yourself other than a car, nice apartment?

I've been in Manizales the last month and I'm not sure if its my game or the city but I'm really struggling.

I've got highly conversational Spanish and a nice place in a good location, though frankly it just seems like girls are uninterested. Your walking down the street and it seems as though girls look to avoid eye contact. While it easy to get girls numbers they seem to lack interest to actually do something and are always busy with school/work.

I'm a little unsure on what to adjust as I'm 21 my level of game is definitely still begging, or whether I should just give it more time. From my one day in Pereira girls were looking at me and smiling it just seemed so different.

Seems pretty odd that chicks would not be making eye contact...always felt like I was being ignored when I returned to the States because Colombia women are usually very good with eye contact.

I have never been to Manizales but other guys have gone and liked it there......I see you are 21....if you look even younger it could be a reason why some chicks aren't taking you seriously....you might want to reevaluate your dress to make sure you are making a serious impression and not coming across like a kid. Having a nice place doesn't really help you unless you are actually getting chicks to your place or if you are actually getting them to your pad and you aren't scoring something else is spooking them.

Chicks in Pereira are some of the most approachable paisas I have ever met....so if you can't get it going in Manizales maybe you should head back over to Pereira.