Post: #26

You can fuck most of your favorite pornstars which are typically 8+'s for $200-$1000...You can fuck an equally hot non famous pro for $100-$400. I have a very close friend that owns an escort/lingerie service so all info is verified...

Post: #27

(11-30-2012 07:33 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  You can fuck most of your favorite pornstars which are typically 8+'s for $200-$1000...You can fuck an equally hot non famous pro for $100-$400. I have a very close friend that owns an escort/lingerie service so all info is verified...

This is good to know. I've always been curious.

Post: #28

It's fucked up but even knowing what I know and having a little money I still went over 4 years without getting laid.I won't be doing that again...Either by mouthpiece or money I'm getting mine!!!

Post: #29

How profitable would be a whore house or escort website in a country where prostitution is legal? does anyone have any experience? is the business saturated or there is still chance for "innovation"?

Post: #30

(11-30-2012 08:01 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  It's fucked up but even knowing what I know and having a little money I still went over 4 years without getting laid.I won't be doing that again...Either by mouthpiece or money I'm getting mine!!!

How can you go 4 years? Especially with your hookup / escort service knowing where to get a porn-star for 200.

Post: #31

(11-30-2012 06:39 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 06:30 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  Yes, banging a pro or semi-pro and not paying is a notch, but you can't brag and say you pulled. She chose you because she saw a payday, but was too dumb to ask for the money up front...HA HA!

Well, that's different. Banging a pro, and then refusing to pay, doesn't count. That's stealing lol.

I banged a semi pro in BKK. I was drinking a beer late night with some friends. She came up and I started talking to her. Flirting with her, touching her legs, yada. I told her I don't pay ladies and she gave me the usual bullshit lines. I told her sorry, I don't pay. She sat there with me and my friends for a good hour. Gave her my number when I left and told her to call me if she wanted.

She called me up when I got to my apartment and she came over and we fucked three or four times that night and then next morning. I gave her 100 baht for a taxi, and bought her a juice in the morning. That's a notch to me, or the cheapest prostitute ever.

That's a solid notch. You told her from jump that you don't pay, so if she decided to come over, it was because she wanted to fuck you. Throwing cab fare to a chick is something most guys wouldn't think twice about.

Post: #32

(11-30-2012 08:08 PM)poutsara Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 08:01 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  It's fucked up but even knowing what I know and having a little money I still went over 4 years without getting laid.I won't be doing that again...Either by mouthpiece or money I'm getting mine!!!

How can you go 4 years? Especially with your hookup / escort service knowing where to get a porn-star for 200.

That's a valid question...I had plenty of oppurtunities to fuck square bitches but I was sick of getting fucked over...And I thought I was too good to pay for it.

Post: #33

The thing I don't get is whether you pay or not if you're fucking a whore, she's still a whore, she's still sucked and fucked about 500 cocks before you. I obviously prefer not to pay and have only done p4p a couple times in my life, but I think a lot of guys on here hate on it and shame men who do it. I also think there are guys who have done p4p on here and won't admit it, due to their egos. For me, paying for sex is a last option or an option if I'm in a situation where it's an ideal set up, like the termas in Rio de Janiero.

At the terma L'Uomo in Rio, you pay an entrance fee, you get a bathrobe, a key to a locker where you put your clothes/valuables, the key # serves as your tab. Upon entering there is a dj spinning and a dancefloor filled with multiple hot women rating 7-9 on the scale, dancing in thong bikinis, there is a bar area to get caipis, and a lounge area where you can chill out and scope out the babes. For about a total of $140 USD you can pick out any girl you want for an hour, get full service, no rush sex, and take a pick between any woman you want there.

For me, aside from the obvious downside of paying, this is more or less the ultimate male fantasy, being able to pick between 20 hot girls of various racial backgrounds all in the 7-9 range, to fuck the shit out of as many times as you want in an hour. If doing this makes you beta, than fuck it, I'm a self proclaimed beta. That's not to say I didn't get laid in Brazil, I got two notches on my own in the 25 days I was there, but I was hella horny and striking out at the end of my trip so I went to the terma.... and I don't fucking regret it for one second.

Another thing I don't get is, yeah you can talk shit and shame a guy for doing p4p, but it's all about what you want in the end. To me it makes sense for a guy to dish out $140 to pick out and fuck a 9 with no problem, guarunteed, then a guy who spends $30 entrance fee to the club, $40 on drinks for himself, another $30 on buying girls drinks, staying up to ungodly hours, putting all his energy and focus into gaming until 5 am, only to get a make out session, get cockblocked, and then go home and jerk off.

To each there own, I am not trying to be the forums' advocate for p4p, but I'm not going to front and say I've never did it. I'm also not going to hate on and shame other guys who have done or will do it. To me it's only beta when I guy gives up on getting laid on his own, and completely relies on pros to get laid. I know a couple guys like that, and it's not only majorly lame, it's sad too.

Post: #34

Actually my first time with a "provider" I had no idea she sold pussy for cash.I met her out one night while I was riding my motorcycle.She said she wanted to go for a spin so I took her.The same night she gave me head and let me fuck her.After I got my nut off she told me she was an escort and that she was glad to fuck somebody she actually found attractive for once.I asked her if she was expecting $$$ from me she said no...Just wanted some dick.She has been my only ONS thus far.

Post: #35

Ognor's story is one end of the spectrum. At the other is the drug addict whore getting blasted by 10 or 15 dudes a day to support her habit, working out of a disease infested apartment that can only be cleansed by fire. These bitches are dirtier than pigs yet dudes are lined up around the block. You might as well stick your dick in a medical waste bag from the hospital. Anyone participating in this scene is headed for disaster, at least in America.

Even if you just go to one of those rub and tug places, think about how many dudes have been laying naked and jizzing all over the mattress before you. No thanks, I'd rather go without than degrade myself.

Post: #36

The way I see it we pay for it most of the time. One way or another. Whether we negotiate a fee upfront or dinner, drinks, coffees, concerts or whatever we do to get laid. Pussy rarely is free.
I see nothing wrong with pay for play. Only technically done it once. She was hot as hell and I got my monies worth.

Post: #37

The whole drug addict thing is a silly perception. That may be the case in some North American / first world areas with streetwalkers. But outside of that there are tons of normal girls who do it because there are simply no options for money and no hope. One of my best friends is a hooker in Cuba. One of the nicest girls I've ever met. Totally normal, doesn't do drugs, she does like to party but wouldn't steal a nickel from anybody. Usually its the johns who are the pieces of trash by contrast. The day I left, I saw her upset. Some asshole had promised her an amount for the night that was a fair bit higher than she would normally ask. He screwed her all night, then told her he was going to take her to the beach so he took her to her house to get a bikini and drove off without giving her a dime. Those are the true pieces of trash. Most of the johns ive met are Drunks there. When I'm in Cuba I don't even bother associating with the foreign tourists nor expats.

In some societies prostitution is pretty much viewed as morally acceptable. A lot of girls in Cuba have essentially prostituted themselves. In some areas of the country we are talking an absolutely absurd percentage. The same would hold true for DR.

Is it more economical short term to do p4p yes especially if your someone who only bangs a girl 1-5 times and then trades. If you are doing mini relationships though where you get more bangs out of it then its probably more economical to have a girlfriend.

Personally I would never do a hooker in North America. I too have a poor perception of them with all the opportunity that there is here I don't see a reason for it. Beyond that, why risk getting a criminal record here. That could prevent / make it more difficult to travel which is something I couldn't live with.

Post: #38

In some countries, like Cuba for example, it makes no sense to put in effort to get laid. You can give a girl 20-30 bucks and she is yours! There's gotta be a balance of p4p and real gaming.
Where can I book a porn star?

Post: #39

I think a lot of guys do. I'm not sure about other countries, but in the US I don't see how you can justify the cost. I just can't ever see myself spending that much money to get laid. Let's say the girl charges like $250 for an hour of bangs.

Option one is the escort for $250, time spent one hour.

Option two, meetup with a girl at a pub/bar or pull her online. Let's say we each buy each other two rounds. Money spent would be I don't know $10-15. Time spent if I bang on date one 3 hours, but let's say I don't and it goes to date two and it takes six hours and another date.

So I've spent $30 bucks and 6 hours to bang the regular girl.

Sure there would be other factors(the escort may be hotter, no bullshit, sex is guaranteed, etc.)

Call me a game purist, but I just can't do it. Maybe it'll change if I'm in a different country where there are 9s throwing themselves at me for $50 bucks or when I'm an ugly old man, but until then I'll game on.

Post: #40

(12-02-2012 08:40 AM)Neo Wrote:  Option one is the escort for $250, time spent one hour.

What if you were making $1,000 an hour?

Post: #41

If you are a rich guy (millionaire) it makes like 0 sense at all to not P4P unless you want to settle down with a girl. If I'm working 60 hours per week and making bank, I get like 5 hookers/month when I'm really horny and call it a day. You still have your freedom and your time.

Post: #42

(12-03-2012 09:48 AM)jammer Wrote:  If you are a rich guy (millionaire) it makes like 0 sense at all to not P4P unless you want to settle down with a girl. If I'm working 60 hours per week and making bank, I get like 5 hookers/month when I'm really horny and call it a day. You still have your freedom and your time.

While an extremely wealthy guy can still pull non-pros, I agree that non-pros can be a hassle for men like that. Bitches trying to trap you or running their mouths about you. For wealthy guys, you're paying for them to leave when you want them to, and for discretion. If you don't want to be married, it's the safest way to go.

Post: #43

Wow.I found out last night that a VERY good looking chick I know is a "semi" pro. I always wondered how this broad maintains her nice standard of living without ever really working.Her parents are pretty well off so we just assumed her parents were taking care of her...WRONG...According to a friend of her's she's been selling pussy to married sugar dadies for years...

Post: #44

(12-03-2012 01:09 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  Wow.I found out last night that a VERY good looking chick I know is a "semi" pro. I always wondered how this broad maintains her nice standard of living without ever really working.Her parents are pretty well off so we just assumed her parents were taking care of her...WRONG...According to a friend of her's she's been selling pussy to married sugar dadies for years...

Yep. These kinds of chicks are the ones that become professional "mistresses." Side pieces for married, wealthy guys, or just occasional company for guys with cash to burn. Again, you can pull this off while you're somewhat young and keep yourself looking good, but at some point you'll hit the wall. What do chicks like this do then?

Post: #45

(12-03-2012 01:24 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 01:09 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  Wow.I found out last night that a VERY good looking chick I know is a "semi" pro. I always wondered how this broad maintains her nice standard of living without ever really working.Her parents are pretty well off so we just assumed her parents were taking care of her...WRONG...According to a friend of her's she's been selling pussy to married sugar dadies for years...

Yep. These kinds of chicks are the ones that become professional "mistresses." Side pieces for married, wealthy guys, or just occasional company for guys with cash to burn. Again, you can pull this off while you're somewhat young and keep yourself looking good, but at some point you'll hit the wall. What do chicks like this do then?

They marry the rich old guy. There are plenty of 35-40 year old decent looking women that marry older rich guys. Just look at Roosh's Wall Street post if you want to see it. Most rich 60 year olds aren't marrying a 20 year old.

Post: #46

(12-03-2012 01:34 PM)jammer Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 01:24 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 01:09 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  Wow.I found out last night that a VERY good looking chick I know is a "semi" pro. I always wondered how this broad maintains her nice standard of living without ever really working.Her parents are pretty well off so we just assumed her parents were taking care of her...WRONG...According to a friend of her's she's been selling pussy to married sugar dadies for years...

Yep. These kinds of chicks are the ones that become professional "mistresses." Side pieces for married, wealthy guys, or just occasional company for guys with cash to burn. Again, you can pull this off while you're somewhat young and keep yourself looking good, but at some point you'll hit the wall. What do chicks like this do then?

They marry the rich old guy. There are plenty of 35-40 year old decent looking women that marry older rich guys. Just look at Roosh's Wall Street post if you want to see it. Most rich 60 year olds aren't marrying a 20 year old.

That's an option for some, but how many will hit the jackpot? There aren't a ton of guys that fit that description just running around. And they can still find a hot 30 year-old.

Post: #47

This chick is pushing 30 now but she almost always has a regular "square" dude or two around.She's gonna be the type to marry some poor schmuck and he ain't gonna have a clue how many dicks she's rode.I think she may already have a dude on the hook...thats how I found out.Her girlfriends were talking about how bad they feel for the guy.He's thinking she's white dress material when in all reality she might as well show up to the alter butt ass naked.
This situation just re-affirms my respect for the women out there that are complete whore's and they embrace it.They are open and honest about just exactly who they are.I recently began getting to know such a woman and the old me was appaled about some of her admissions of promiscuity but now I've come to realize that she's just HONEST about what it is she does,versus being deceitful.She's given me some SERIOUS insight into the female mind.

Post: #48

(12-03-2012 09:48 AM)jammer Wrote:  If you are a rich guy (millionaire) it makes like 0 sense at all to not P4P unless you want to settle down with a girl. If I'm working 60 hours per week and making bank, I get like 5 hookers/month when I'm really horny and call it a day. You still have your freedom and your time.

I am not against prostitution. Whatever a consenting man and woman agree to is their business.

The older I get, the more I enjoy concentrating on business, weight lifting, reading and just learning new skills, I can see the allure of prostitution. I still enjoy meeting women and don't see that ever stopping. As I get older, I am wanting to spend less and less time actively going out to meet women. No problem meeting them during the day while I am out and about.

Now, I look at why a man would go to a prostitute. I don't see a problem if the guy constantly works on himself and just wants a quick nut.

I think it is pathetic when a man only relies on prostitution because that is all he can get. Instead of working on himself and making himself a better man these guys would rather eat Doritos, sit on the computer and pay prostitutes.

I was married once and absolutely hated it. When the divorce came through I felt like I was let free from a 20 year stretch in prison. The air smelled fresh, the birds where chirping and the colors were magnificent. I have been able to accomplish more after my marriage then all my years prior. I just understand how valuable our free time is and I am still young enough to do some nasty damage.

Post: #49

In the Anglosphere, Austrlalia, NZ, UK, Canada, SA, US it is frowned upon. During different parts of history it appears to have been more accepted such as during both World Wars. During the late 19th century when Jack the Ripper was around, it was common practise for men to see working women and they were a significant part of London's economy at the time.

Post: #50

The hierarchy is celebrity, courtesan, mistress, sex worker, prostitute, whore, and street walker.

Middle class people tend to focus too much on cash. But social connection, public display and social prestige are far more valuable. At that level, cash is a side effect. Just being seen with someone of high status in public can give you far more advantages than mere cash ever could.

Women covet the stereotypical alpha male because being with him gives her social connections and social prestige. She craves being seen with him in public at restaurants and social events because these are public displays of higher status for her.

Alpha males are not prostitutes; they're higher in the hierarchy. Instead, they play the role of celebrity and courtesan for a whole lot of hypergamic women trying to claw their way up the social ladder.

There's still an exchange. But it's of higher value than simply cash.