(11-11-2012 09:25 AM)Menace Wrote: I'm not going to take the train if I can avoid it simply for time reasons. I don't have any romantic notions. As for accommodations, I don't think Playboy Mansion on the Volga is what's going to work. I think we know the reality of the game. The important thing is that we have members in the same city living close to each other, but otherwise I think it's going to be single occupancy apartments and maybe double occupancy for people on a tighter budget. If it's a bunch of dudes living together it just turns into some kind of pseudo-hostel and there will be too much incentive to just get drunk with the boys, cockblocking, etc. Obviously camaraderie and hanging out together is important, but the main reason we're doing this is to help each other smash fine ladies and live the good life (to the extent it's possible in such a place), not do shots until 3 am.
Yep. The key is 5-6 guys spread out over the city and meeting regularly. Too many and too close together and it could get messy.
(11-11-2012 09:25 AM)Menace Wrote: I'm not going to take the train if I can avoid it simply for time reasons. I don't have any romantic notions. As for accommodations, I don't think Playboy Mansion on the Volga is what's going to work. I think we know the reality of the game. The important thing is that we have members in the same city living close to each other, but otherwise I think it's going to be single occupancy apartments and maybe double occupancy for people on a tighter budget. If it's a bunch of dudes living together it just turns into some kind of pseudo-hostel and there will be too much incentive to just get drunk with the boys, cockblocking, etc. Obviously camaraderie and hanging out together is important, but the main reason we're doing this is to help each other smash fine ladies and live the good life (to the extent it's possible in such a place), not do shots until 3 am.
Yep. The key is 5-6 guys spread out over the city and meeting regularly. Too many and too close together and it could get messy.
Totally agree with you Menace. The thing is for us to have at least 5 or 6 guys.....where we can go out together, watch each other´s backs, get the word spread about us to the local ladies and have an alternating party (different apartment) once a week.
(11-11-2012 09:25 AM)Menace Wrote: I'm not going to take the train if I can avoid it simply for time reasons. I don't have any romantic notions. As for accommodations, I don't think Playboy Mansion on the Volga is what's going to work. I think we know the reality of the game. The important thing is that we have members in the same city living close to each other, but otherwise I think it's going to be single occupancy apartments and maybe double occupancy for people on a tighter budget. If it's a bunch of dudes living together it just turns into some kind of pseudo-hostel and there will be too much incentive to just get drunk with the boys, cockblocking, etc. Obviously camaraderie and hanging out together is important, but the main reason we're doing this is to help each other smash fine ladies and live the good life (to the extent it's possible in such a place), not do shots until 3 am.
Yep. The key is 5-6 guys spread out over the city and meeting regularly. Too
many and too close together and it could get messy.
Totally agree with you Menace. The thing is for us to have at least 5 or 6
guys.....where we can go out together, watch each other´s backs, get the word spread about us to the local ladies and have an alternating party (different apartment) once a week.
I think come nearer the time more and more guys will drop out. Some just won't be able to make it for financial reasons or logistics or simply because they are not mad enough to move to a shit hole in deepest Russia when they can hit the beaches of SE Asia instead. What I think will happen is that just 3 or 4 hard core and determined hunters will remain amongst us who will follow through on this. We then just need to decide on the city and sort out apartments and we will take the city by storm.
Location: That's going to be a tough one because there is no obvious choice,there are too many. I know people are saying Novosibirsk but my hunch is that loads of foreigners have been before for study or tourism etc. I think we need a large town that isn't on the Trans-Siberian. What about Syktyvkar or Kirov? Bratsk or Barnaul? Maybe the best option is a place in the Urals from where we can hit different towns on the weekends. Personally speaking I don't need cinemas and nice restaurants or museums. I just want a run down shit hole where we will be the only ticket in town. I want us to walk into a club and the place falls silent as everyone turns to stare at the foreigners. From there we will go to work. This is 100% possible to find,I'm convinced of it. I've experienced similar in a Ural city as has Partizan and others,we just need to go and make it happen. The issue has always been boredom in shit holes but that's why if we have a tight knit team we will have each other for support and back up until we have our social circle built up. Once we have our 'in' it will be plane sailing for all of us.
(11-11-2012 12:41 PM)Vorkuta Wrote: Maybe the best option is a place in the Urals from where we can hit different towns on the weekends. Personally speaking I don't need cinemas and nice restaurants or museums. I just want a run down shit hole where we will be the only ticket in town. I want us to walk into a club and the place falls silent as everyone turns to stare at the foreigners. From there we will go to work. This is 100% possible to find,I'm convinced of it. I've experienced similar in a Ural city as has Partizan and others,we just need to go and make it happen. The issue has always been boredom in shit holes but that's why if we have a tight knit team we will have each other for support and back up until we have our social circle built up. Once we have our 'in' it will be plane sailing for all of us.
But, I think you need a place where there are enough young people still left behind, and most haven't left to work or study in bigger cities. I think a university town is ideal.
Also, what is internet situation like in Russia? Is it possible to get a USB wifi modem or something to access the internet easily? This is key for me. I can't keep going down to some internet cafe during the day to work, I need to be connected online most of the time.
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(11-11-2012 09:25 AM)Menace Wrote: I'm not going to take the train if I can avoid it simply for time reasons. I don't have any romantic notions. As for accommodations, I don't think Playboy Mansion on the Volga is what's going to work. I think we know the reality of the game. The important thing is that we have members in the same city living close to each other, but otherwise I think it's going to be single occupancy apartments and maybe double occupancy for people on a tighter budget. If it's a bunch of dudes living together it just turns into some kind of pseudo-hostel and there will be too much incentive to just get drunk with the boys, cockblocking, etc. Obviously camaraderie and hanging out together is important, but the main reason we're doing this is to help each other smash fine ladies and live the good life (to the extent it's possible in such a place), not do shots until 3 am.
Yep. The key is 5-6 guys spread out over the city and meeting regularly. Too
many and too close together and it could get messy.
Totally agree with you Menace. The thing is for us to have at least 5 or 6
guys.....where we can go out together, watch each other´s backs, get the word spread about us to the local ladies and have an alternating party (different apartment) once a week.
I think come nearer the time more and more guys will drop out. Some just won't be able to make it for financial reasons or logistics or simply because they are not mad enough to move to a shit hole in deepest Russia when they can hit the beaches of SE Asia instead. What I think will happen is that just 3 or 4 hard core and determined hunters will remain amongst us who will follow through on this. We then just need to decide on the city and sort out apartments and we will take the city by storm.
Location: That's going to be a tough one because there is no obvious choice,there are too many. I know people are saying Novosibirsk but my hunch is that loads of foreigners have been before for study or tourism etc. I think we need a large town that isn't on the Trans-Siberian. What about Syktyvkar or Kirov? Bratsk or Barnaul? Maybe the best option is a place in the Urals from where we can hit different towns on the weekends. Personally speaking I don't need cinemas and nice restaurants or museums. I just want a run down shit hole where we will be the only ticket in town. I want us to walk into a club and the place falls silent as everyone turns to stare at the foreigners. From there we will go to work. This is 100% possible to find,I'm convinced of it. I've experienced similar in a Ural city as has Partizan and others,we just need to go and make it happen. The issue has always been boredom in shit holes but that's why if we have a tight knit team we will have each other for support and back up until we have our social circle built up. Once we have our 'in' it will be plane sailing for all of us.
Once I start learning russian Vorkuta, then it is a given that I am going, which I will confirm after going to the Russian Embassy...... when I go back to Ecuador in December. The same should apply to other members...they should make their real intentions known.
But yes, I believe only 3 or 4 guys will actually be able to make the trip. But that is enough for our purposes. And hopefully Brown Bear will be able to lead us to the best city.
(11-11-2012 09:25 AM)Menace Wrote: I'm not going to take the train if I can avoid it simply for time reasons. I don't have any romantic notions. As for accommodations, I don't think Playboy Mansion on the Volga is what's going to work. I think we know the reality of the game. The important thing is that we have members in the same city living close to each other, but otherwise I think it's going to be single occupancy apartments and maybe double occupancy for people on a tighter budget. If it's a bunch of dudes living together it just turns into some kind of pseudo-hostel and there will be too much incentive to just get drunk with the boys, cockblocking, etc. Obviously camaraderie and hanging out together is important, but the main reason we're doing this is to help each other smash fine ladies and live the good life (to the extent it's possible in such a place), not do shots until 3 am.
Yep. The key is 5-6 guys spread out over the city and meeting regularly. Too
many and too close together and it could get messy.
Totally agree with you Menace. The thing is for us to have at least 5 or 6
guys.....where we can go out together, watch each other´s backs, get the word spread about us to the local ladies and have an alternating party (different apartment) once a week.
I think come nearer the time more and more guys will drop out. Some just won't be able to make it for financial reasons or logistics or simply because they are not mad enough to move to a shit hole in deepest Russia when they can hit the beaches of SE Asia instead. What I think will happen is that just 3 or 4 hard core and determined hunters will remain amongst us who will follow through on this. We then just need to decide on the city and sort out apartments and we will take the city by storm.
Location: That's going to be a tough one because there is no obvious choice,there are too many. I know people are saying Novosibirsk but my hunch is that loads of foreigners have been before for study or tourism etc. I think we need a large town that isn't on the Trans-Siberian. What about Syktyvkar or Kirov? Bratsk or Barnaul? Maybe the best option is a place in the Urals from where we can hit different towns on the weekends. Personally speaking I don't need cinemas and nice restaurants or museums. I just want a run down shit hole where we will be the only ticket in town. I want us to walk into a club and the place falls silent as everyone turns to stare at the foreigners. From there we will go to work. This is 100% possible to find,I'm convinced of it. I've experienced similar in a Ural city as has Partizan and others,we just need to go and make it happen. The issue has always been boredom in shit holes but that's why if we have a tight knit team we will have each other for support and back up until we have our social circle built up. Once we have our 'in' it will be plane sailing for all of us.
I like your style and this trip would be epic. I am on the fence, have a few things going on so might not be free by then. I also agree you will probably get 5 guys max, if more show up then there are some serious troopers out there.
How much is airfare from London to these places?
What sort of budget are we talking for say a week?
(11-11-2012 01:49 PM)rudebwoy Wrote: I like your style and this trip would be epic. I am on the fence, have a few things going on so might not be free by then. I also agree you will probably get 5 guys max, if more show up then there are some serious troopers out there.
How much is airfare from London to these places?
What sort of budget are we talking for say a week?
Easy jet are starting Gatwick to Moscow flights soon. They say the fare will start from £125 return. You can fly to Riga for £20 and take train from there instead. Depends where we end up. Visa is about £120 all in. Then you need spends which in a shit hole won't be much. Would be good to have you along.
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(11-11-2012 09:25 AM)Menace Wrote: I'm not going to take the train if I can avoid it simply for time reasons. I don't have any romantic notions. As for accommodations, I don't think Playboy Mansion on the Volga is what's going to work. I think we know the reality of the game. The important thing is that we have members in the same city living close to each other, but otherwise I think it's going to be single occupancy apartments and maybe double occupancy for people on a tighter budget. If it's a bunch of dudes living together it just turns into some kind of pseudo-hostel and there will be too much incentive to just get drunk with the boys, cockblocking, etc. Obviously camaraderie and hanging out together is important, but the main reason we're doing this is to help each other smash fine ladies and live the good life (to the extent it's possible in such a place), not do shots until 3 am.
Yep. The key is 5-6 guys spread out over the city and meeting regularly. Too
many and too close together and it could get messy.
Totally agree with you Menace. The thing is for us to have at least 5 or 6
guys.....where we can go out together, watch each other´s backs, get the word spread about us to the local ladies and have an alternating party (different apartment) once a week.
I think come nearer the time more and more guys will drop out. Some just won't be able to make it for financial reasons or logistics or simply because they are not mad enough to move to a shit hole in deepest Russia when they can hit the beaches of SE Asia instead. What I think will happen is that just 3 or 4 hard core and determined hunters will remain amongst us who will follow through on this. We then just need to decide on the city and sort out apartments and we will take the city by storm.
Location: That's going to be a tough one because there is no obvious choice,there are too many. I know people are saying Novosibirsk but my hunch is that loads of foreigners have been before for study or tourism etc. I think we need a large town that isn't on the Trans-Siberian. What about Syktyvkar or Kirov? Bratsk or Barnaul? Maybe the best option is a place in the Urals from where we can hit different towns on the weekends. Personally speaking I don't need cinemas and nice restaurants or museums. I just want a run down shit hole where we will be the only ticket in town. I want us to walk into a club and the place falls silent as everyone turns to stare at the foreigners. From there we will go to work. This is 100% possible to find,I'm convinced of it. I've experienced similar in a Ural city as has Partizan and others,we just need to go and make it happen. The issue has always been boredom in shit holes but that's why if we have a tight knit team we will have each other for support and back up until we have our social circle built up. Once we have our 'in' it will be plane sailing for all of us.
I'm up for this but I have no idea what my financial situation is around fall 2013 so i'm not signing up just yet.
If you want a place of the trans sib and away from any tourists then I suggest hitting cities in Far east Russia.
Chita and Ulan Ude are a bit too small but Khabarovsk or Vladivostok will do. You might even capture the North Korean flag there.
But none of you fuckers should hit on my ex GF in Vlad.
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For those of you who are experienced in Russia, how much more conservative sexually are they in the smaller towns? The only Russians I've had have been in Thailand, Sweden and the US so culturally they may have been very different.
(11-11-2012 09:25 AM)Menace Wrote: I'm not going to take the train if I can avoid it simply for time reasons. I don't have any romantic notions. As for accommodations, I don't think Playboy Mansion on the Volga is what's going to work. I think we know the reality of the game. The important thing is that we have members in the same city living close to each other, but otherwise I think it's going to be single occupancy apartments and maybe double occupancy for people on a tighter budget. If it's a bunch of dudes living together it just turns into some kind of pseudo-hostel and there will be too much incentive to just get drunk with the boys, cockblocking, etc. Obviously camaraderie and hanging out together is important, but the main reason we're doing this is to help each other smash fine ladies and live the good life (to the extent it's possible in such a place), not do shots until 3 am.
Yep. The key is 5-6 guys spread out over the city and meeting regularly. Too
many and too close together and it could get messy.
Totally agree with you Menace. The thing is for us to have at least 5 or 6
guys.....where we can go out together, watch each other´s backs, get the word spread about us to the local ladies and have an alternating party (different apartment) once a week.
I think come nearer the time more and more guys will drop out. Some just won't be able to make it for financial reasons or logistics or simply because they are not mad enough to move to a shit hole in deepest Russia when they can hit the beaches of SE Asia instead. What I think will happen is that just 3 or 4 hard core and determined hunters will remain amongst us who will follow through on this. We then just need to decide on the city and sort out apartments and we will take the city by storm.
Location: That's going to be a tough one because there is no obvious choice,there are too many. I know people are saying Novosibirsk but my hunch is that loads of foreigners have been before for study or tourism etc. I think we need a large town that isn't on the Trans-Siberian. What about Syktyvkar or Kirov? Bratsk or Barnaul? Maybe the best option is a place in the Urals from where we can hit different towns on the weekends. Personally speaking I don't need cinemas and nice restaurants or museums. I just want a run down shit hole where we will be the only ticket in town. I want us to walk into a club and the place falls silent as everyone turns to stare at the foreigners. From there we will go to work. This is 100% possible to find,I'm convinced of it. I've experienced similar in a Ural city as has Partizan and others,we just need to go and make it happen. The issue has always been boredom in shit holes but that's why if we have a tight knit team we will have each other for support and back up until we have our social circle built up. Once we have our 'in' it will be plane sailing for all of us.
If you are heading for a little excitement and a sample of the exotic factor, heading to a village is not the answer. Personally speaking, I would not venture into a city under a population of 500,000. For me the mean is between 800k - 1.5m which is enough to ensure that there is some exoticness there. Moscow and St. Peter are the main tourist points in Russia as they were in the USSR. Not many people venture outside of the big two. If you are going to pick, do so wisely.
I was lucky in that I got a glimpse of that while in Ekaterinburg. Being in a social circle of local dudes helped immensely as they knew the score. These guys knew the scene and watched my back in case anything happened. Nothing did but I did end up in some God awful dives frequented by dubious looking individuals. Regarding my nationality, the locals had never seen or met someone from Ireland as the closest they usually get to anything Irish is a bottle of Bushmills/Powers/Paddy or a trip to an Irish themed pub. That said, most of them also thought we were still part of the UK and that we were a bunch of raving alcos who fight alot.
Anyway as a sampler, here is one of the places that I went to.
Podval Art Club located just off ul. Moskovskaya. Cracking little joint and place goes nuts from Thursday night on. Popular with students.
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There was a data sheet on Belarus that indicated that just because you're in a village doesn't mean things will go easy b/c of the provincial & conservative attitudes. In Siberia we should probably be considering Novosibirsk (1.5M), Yekaterinburg (1.3M), Chelyabinsk (1.1M), and Krasnoyarsk (900K).
Unless something major happens I am in. I will be checking out visa for Americans next year and post what info I come up with. There is a new 6 month visa that should be in full gear by the time we head out there. Hopefully that is a full 6 months in country. I should have most of my business activities hired out by then. I am looking for adventure so the trains to other parts of the country would be cool. I wonder how registration works when traveling from city to city.
Vorkuta - those prices seem decent, compared with the Airbnb rentals it seems more than doable. I would love to join you bro, hoping to re-locate back to the UK next year.
Partizan - that video was good, excuse my ignorance but I was surprised by the house beats the DJ was playing. The talent does not seem too bad either. I also like the sound of Ekaterinaburg, seems to have the right size population.
(11-11-2012 01:49 PM)rudebwoy Wrote: How much is airfare from London to these places?
What sort of budget are we talking for say a week?
Easy jet are starting Gatwick to Moscow flights soon. They say the fare will start from £125 return.
Oh this sucks, man. Siberia is going to be ruined in three years.
That being said, I'd like to be part of what ruins it.
One thing that has been not discussed that much on the board is preselection with male wings, which works maybe not quite as well as female wings but still has a perceptible effect.
I'm speculating it is way more safe-looking to a woman when she meets 2, maybe 3-- MAYBE 4 guys ( a huge group can be intimidating) -- together because it makes it less likely you're some loner oddball undesirable. It keeps the conversation from flagging. It makes her look more popular. As long as none of the guys is scary for her.
I read someone (Strauss?) go into detail about how to alternate doing DHVs for your wing: guy A goes away and then guy B says "Did you know A is a <DHV description stuff here> " . Then when A comes back, he eventually "reveals" that B is < big shot of some kind>.
It's way harder to DHV like that on your own.
Of course, you've got agree whose target is whose. I've been cock blocked big-time with guys whose Russian was better than mine after I opened a set.
(This post was last modified: 11-11-2012 07:40 PM by iknowexactly.)
(11-11-2012 01:49 PM)rudebwoy Wrote: How much is airfare from London to these places?
What sort of budget are we talking for say a week?
Easy jet are starting Gatwick to Moscow flights soon. They say the fare will start from £125 return.
Oh this sucks, man. Siberia is going to be ruined in three years.
Apparently there are alot of Russians in London, so they are probably trying to fill the void. Alot of Brits aren't going to visit Russia, let alone Siberia.
(11-11-2012 09:25 AM)Menace Wrote: I'm not going to take the train if I can avoid it simply for time reasons. I don't have any romantic notions. As for accommodations, I don't think Playboy Mansion on the Volga is what's going to work. I think we know the reality of the game. The important thing is that we have members in the same city living close to each other, but otherwise I think it's going to be single occupancy apartments and maybe double occupancy for people on a tighter budget. If it's a bunch of dudes living together it just turns into some kind of pseudo-hostel and there will be too much incentive to just get drunk with the boys, cockblocking, etc. Obviously camaraderie and hanging out together is important, but the main reason we're doing this is to help each other smash fine ladies and live the good life (to the extent it's possible in such a place), not do shots until 3 am.
Yep. The key is 5-6 guys spread out over the city and meeting regularly. Too
many and too close together and it could get messy.
Totally agree with you Menace. The thing is for us to have at least 5 or 6
guys.....where we can go out together, watch each other´s backs, get the word spread about us to the local ladies and have an alternating party (different apartment) once a week.
I think come nearer the time more and more guys will drop out. Some just won't be able to make it for financial reasons or logistics or simply because they are not mad enough to move to a shit hole in deepest Russia when they can hit the beaches of SE Asia instead. What I think will happen is that just 3 or 4 hard core and determined hunters will remain amongst us who will follow through on this. We then just need to decide on the city and sort out apartments and we will take the city by storm.
Location: That's going to be a tough one because there is no obvious choice,there are too many. I know people are saying Novosibirsk but my hunch is that loads of foreigners have been before for study or tourism etc. I think we need a large town that isn't on the Trans-Siberian. What about Syktyvkar or Kirov? Bratsk or Barnaul? Maybe the best option is a place in the Urals from where we can hit different towns on the weekends. Personally speaking I don't need cinemas and nice restaurants or museums. I just want a run down shit hole where we will be the only ticket in town. I want us to walk into a club and the place falls silent as everyone turns to stare at the foreigners. From there we will go to work. This is 100% possible to find,I'm convinced of it. I've experienced similar in a Ural city as has Partizan and others,we just need to go and make it happen. The issue has always been boredom in shit holes but that's why if we have a tight knit team we will have each other for support and back up until we have our social circle built up. Once we have our 'in' it will be plane sailing for all of us.
I think there will be about 10. It's the perfect time to travel to russia. I dont think there will be too many though. I think just to be around so many people from the forum in a good gaming environment is worth pulling out extra stops to make this happen
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(11-11-2012 01:49 PM)rudebwoy Wrote: How much is airfare from London to these places?
What sort of budget are we talking for say a week?
Easy jet are starting Gatwick to Moscow flights soon. They say the fare will start from £125 return.
Oh this sucks, man. Siberia is going to be ruined in three years.
Apparently there are alot of Russians in London, so they are probably trying to fill the void. Alot of Brits aren't going to visit Russia, let alone Siberia.
Never underestimate how quickly British lager louts can ruin a pussy paradise.
I can't have sex with your personality, and I can't put my penis in your college degree, and I can't shove my fist in your childhood dreams, so why are you sharing all this information with me?
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(11-11-2012 07:59 PM)20Nation Wrote: I think there will be about 10. It's the perfect time to travel to russia. I dont think there will be too many though. I think just to be around so many people from the forum in a good gaming environment is worth pulling out extra stops to make this happen
Everything generally takes twice as long as you think it will and will be half as successful as you think.
That doesn't mean to be pessimistic, but adjust your parameters and plan better so you actually achieve what you want.
Right now the elephant in the room is visas. We need to find out a successful, repeatable visa application procedure. I might be wrong but I think the new visa rules for Americans may not require registration in Russia, a good thing.
(This post was last modified: 11-11-2012 08:12 PM by iknowexactly.)
I would not be able to be one of the core team but would be happy to be in the loop and time/logistics permits will come for a week or so.
Regardless, this sounds like a great plan and it would be very interesting to hear how you guys will do there, if you are good wings you will have synergy and get much higher results than going solo, not to mention easiness in logistics, lower costs, safety, mental support and more.
As for the city, I was in Kazan and it fun there (search for my data sheet) but you should be aware that about 50% of people are Tatars which means a bit of Asian look and Muslim religion (though not very strict) so I think if your'e solely into white chicks there are much better options.
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