Post: #1

In my experience with day game only about 1 in 10 approaches resulted in a date. Although this sounds good when written down, in reality it involves:

- The tough emotional cost of being in a cold selling like sales push. Some guys will deny that this exists, but once you step off the internet and into real life you have to deal with this, which makes me believe that the guys who are denying it are actually just theorizing on the internet.

- The time taken to arrange to go out with wings in order to support each other in this tough emotional environment.

- Lots of days where you get no numbers.

- Time taken sitting in Starbucks to give yourself and your wings a break from the tough emotional cost of approaching.

- Time between approaches. Our day game sessions often had to span several hours for us to do 5 approaches each.

- The cost of spending your day off wandering around the city center trying to cold sell your cock that you could have spent doing something that you actually enjoy.

- Day game is particularly tough because women will automatically rule you out right from the very start simply because you're a random guy off the street that might be a weirdo. For her, the risk is high, she just doesnt know you and who really approaches like that that anyway?

- Never equate getting a girl's phone number with her level of sexual interest. Some say that a girl is less likely to flake from day game simply because she is sober and will remember you as it was such a unique encounter. The truth in many cases is she'll flake because it all comes back to you being some random guy that came up to her out of nowhere that she knows zilch about and spoke to for only 5 minutes.

- There are loads of variables. While some of it is dependent on your vibe, body language etc. That's completely not the case. In the end it's all down to the woman. It's all because of her mood, and him catching her at the right time when she was up for talking/going on a date etc.

- A lot of daygame is based upon luck. Right time, right place, right guy, right girl. Finding that right combination can be like finding a needle in a haystack.

- A lot of guys are not being real. They go out and project themselves as an awesome guy when they have only half developed themselves into a solid person. The woman subconsciously realises this just by looking into his eyes but can't rationalise it because he's saying awesome things so she later flakes.

- A lot of guys do day game exclusively because they don't want to deal with rejection - they say girls in clubs are bitches etc. In reality, when they get a number via day game most guys think they are progressing when in fact the rejection comes later in the form of a flake. This very low conversation rate makes more sense. All those flaky numbers are rejections which in night game would happen after 2 minutes.

- Moral of the story - keep rolling the dice gentleman. The more you do, the more you'll get laid!

On the plus side:

- Day game will SKYROCKET your night game. It's more common to get rejected and flaked on during the day as opposed to night because the context isn't geared towards dating during the day time. People are out doing something.

At night, it's pretty obvious why people are there. Girls are expected to get hit on and most are there to hook up. On the last 3 occasions I've been out at night I eventually hooked up with a girl. If I compare that during the day time, I have to approach a handful of girls to at least get traction with one or a number that doesn't flake with a possibility of a date later on.

Day time approaching is without a doubt the best way to build a foundation. If you can approach girls during the day, approaching at night will be a piece of cake. I've done a lot of daygame in my time, very flaky only a few results. But I did benefit with learning how to have the balls to approach women completely sober, so I quit drinking as a result and my night game has become more efficient.

Post: #2

I'm not sure what you mean by the tough emotional cost of approaching, do you just mean that you feel bad if you make an approach and it doesn't go well?

You don't really need a wing for daygame, it's much easier to do on your own and especially if you want to do it whilst travelling you're unlikely to have a wing.

Post: #3

Day game is such a time sink, thanks for being real man.


And there is an emotional cost in doing hundreds of cold approaches. It's just draining to talk to so many women and put a sincere effort into seducing each one.

Post: #4

Walking around the city for hours day gaming can be a waste of time.

But, day gaming as you are going about your normal business is a more productive option.

Be ready as soon as you walk out your front door. Bus, train, subway, coffee shop, cafe, restaurant, work, lunch break, smoke break, gym, grocery store, mall, sidewalk. You don't have to make time for day game. Just be ready to talk during the day.

I admit, you have to talk to alot of girls to get laid, but, the more you do it the better you get and its alot of fun. (for me)

If you feel some type of emotional cost from rejection then you are taking it to serious. Have fun with it and develop thicker skin. When my dad died I got emotional, when a girl rejects me, it doesn't even register on my emotional radar.

Post: #5

I didn't read all of your post Juan, but it sounds like you need to get out of whatever shithole you are in.

Regardless of you look, game, style, you should be doing better than 1/10.

Post: #6

(07-04-2012 01:31 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  I didn't read all of your post Juan, but it sounds like you need to get out of whatever shithole you are in.

Regardless of you look, game, style, you should be doing better than 1/10.

Comeee onnnn harsh no?!

I have gone 0/20... Hell I have gone 0/100 in a week before! You never know, damn eastern European guys and their friendly women!

Post: #7

(07-04-2012 01:31 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Regardless of you look, game, style, you should be doing better than 1/10.

Almost impossible to get much better odds in the USA... save for maybe NYC

Post: #8

(07-04-2012 01:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 01:31 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Regardless of you look, game, style, you should be doing better than 1/10.

Almost impossible to get much better odds in the USA... save for maybe NYC

Really? when day gaming in Ukraine, I get maybe 7 or 8 numbers for every 10 approachs, but I USUALLY wait for IOI which is given freely here. After that I get a date almost every time(if I call her)

Post: #9

Emotional cost? What are you talking about?

By investing yourself emotionally, you are shooting yourself in the foot. Maybe that's why you are having trouble.

It's just a game.

Post: #10

I don't have an emotional response to rejection any more.

You need to toughen up.

Post: #11

Ha yep figures!

MikeCF spot on again, getting rejected is HUMEROUS to me.

(07-04-2012 01:42 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 01:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 01:31 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Regardless of you look, game, style, you should be doing better than 1/10.

Almost impossible to get much better odds in the USA... save for maybe NYC

Really? when day gaming in Ukraine, I get maybe 7 or 8 numbers for every 10 approachs, but I USUALLY wait for IOI which is given freely here. After that I get a date almost every time(if I call her)

Post: #12

(07-04-2012 12:15 PM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  - The cost of spending your day off wandering around the city center trying to cold sell your cock that you could have spent doing something that you actually enjoy.

That is probably why your ROI is only 10% during the day. Try to bring the game to things you actually enjoy.

Sarging is never my #1 priority. If I go surfing I am there to SURF, gaming girls is a plus that comes along naturally while doing something you enjoy and are passionate about.

If I go to a cafe i go there to get some work done, gaming women is just a plus.

Same with gym, etc...etc...

Good luck!

Post: #13

(07-04-2012 01:58 PM)Palo_alto Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 12:15 PM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  - The cost of spending your day off wandering around the city center trying to cold sell your cock that you could have spent doing something that you actually enjoy.

That is probably why your ROI is only 10% during the day. Try to bring the game to things you actually enjoy.

Sarging is never my #1 priority. If I go surfing I am there to SURF, gaming girls is a plus that comes along naturally while doing something you enjoy and are passionate about.

If I go to a cafe i go there to get some work done, gaming women is just a plus.

Same with gym, etc...etc...

Good luck!

One only thinks it's a waste of time when they fail

Post: #14

(07-04-2012 01:46 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  I don't have an emotional response to rejection any more.

You need to toughen up.

You're defining emotions too narrowly.


For example, if you go out and talk to 100 people, you're probably going to be tired.

It's not like lifting weights, which is physically exhausting.

It's not like reading 1000 pages, which is mentally exhausting.


The only other word to describe the kind of weariness approaching 100 strangers brings is "emotionally".

Post: #15

(07-04-2012 02:07 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 01:46 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  I don't have an emotional response to rejection any more.

You need to toughen up.

You're defining emotions too narrowly.


For example, if you go out and talk to 100 people, you're probably going to be tired.

It's not like lifting weights, which is physically exhausting.

It's not like reading 1000 pages, which is mentally exhausting.


The only other word to describe the kind of weariness approaching 100 strangers brings is "emotionally".

I agree Sam, what mike and I are getting at is his post implies a "anxiety" when talking to a girl for the first time. So what we're saying is that shit is dead, if the girl isn't at least open to me upon hello, she just threw away an in shape dude who can dance, talk 3 languages, makes money and enjoys life.

But if you want to broaden that to mean tired ad exhausted then you're right. Tired and exhausted is physical in my opinion. Because mental exhaustion causes physical exhaustion. Cognitive work makes your eyes tired, body weak and legs quiver.

Post: #16

(07-04-2012 01:42 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 01:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 01:31 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Regardless of you look, game, style, you should be doing better than 1/10.

Almost impossible to get much better odds in the USA... save for maybe NYC

Really? when day gaming in Ukraine, I get maybe 7 or 8 numbers for every 10 approachs, but I USUALLY wait for IOI which is given freely here. After that I get a date almost every time(if I call her)

Not everyone is a 6'6 model who has natural game that can't be explained, Deb. Don't shit on this guy when you have no advice to help him with.

1 out of 10 resulting in a date is great. Assuming you do 10 approaches a week, that's 52 dates a year from day game, a respectable rate. Anyone who hates on that here is in the wrong forum.

Post: #17

(07-04-2012 02:07 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 01:46 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  I don't have an emotional response to rejection any more.

You need to toughen up.

You're defining emotions too narrowly.


For example, if you go out and talk to 100 people, you're probably going to be tired.

It's not like lifting weights, which is physically exhausting.

It's not like reading 1000 pages, which is mentally exhausting.


The only other word to describe the kind of weariness approaching 100 strangers brings is "emotionally".

I used to approach game like a job. Put my hours in. It was emotionally draining. Rejection stung. I felt anxiety before approaching.

Now it's a joke to me.

After a while you reprogram you brain. You just stop feeling certain things.

Or at least that happened to me. Callused.

Post: #18

(07-04-2012 02:25 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 01:42 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 01:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 01:31 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Regardless of you look, game, style, you should be doing better than 1/10.

Almost impossible to get much better odds in the USA... save for maybe NYC

Really? when day gaming in Ukraine, I get maybe 7 or 8 numbers for every 10 approachs, but I USUALLY wait for IOI which is given freely here. After that I get a date almost every time(if I call her)

Not everyone is a 6'6 model who has natural game that can't be explained, Deb. Don't shit on this guy when you have no advice to help him with.

1 out of 10 resulting in a date is great. Assuming you do 10 approaches a week, that's 52 dates a year from day game, a respectable rate. Anyone who hates on that here is in the wrong forum.

1 out of 10 is not great for anyone Roosh!, he needs to toughen the hell up. He is getting 1 date per ten approach, what's a fucking date?, nothing quite often. Out of those dates how many are converting to lay?, 1/10 again? Waste of fucking time.

I'm not hating on him i'm implying he needs to work harder

Post: #19

   

Post: #20

The tough emotional cost of being in a cold selling like sales push. Some guys will deny that this exists, but once you step off the internet and into real life you have to deal with this, which makes me believe that the guys who are denying it are actually just theorizing on the internet.

- The time taken to arrange to go out with wings in order to support each other in this tough emotional environment.

- Lots of days where you get no numbers.

- Time taken sitting in Starbucks to give yourself and your wings a break from the tough emotional cost of approaching.

- Time between approaches. Our day game sessions often had to span several hours for us to do 5 approaches each.

- The cost of spending your day off wandering around the city center trying to cold sell your cock that you could have spent doing something that you actually enjoy.

Sorry but the reality is that this is so lame.

If Game is proving such an emotional and physical drain with low results, then do yourself a favour, take time out and figure out a new game plan.

Or better still give up, like you say do the things you enjoy in life, and meet people through these avenunes. With all the time you are devoting to day game you must feel like a street urchin, not good for your esteem

Post: #21

A lot of guys are not being real. They go out and project themselves as an awesome guy when they have only half developed themselves into a solid person. The woman subconsciously realises this just by looking into his eyes but can't rationalise it because he's saying awesome things so she later flakes.

- A lot of guys do day game exclusively because they don't want to deal with rejection - they say girls in clubs are bitches etc. In reality, when they get a number via day game most guys think they are progressing when in fact the rejection comes later in the form of a flake. This very low conversation rate makes more sense. All those flaky numbers are rejections which in night game would happen after 2 minutes.

- Moral of the story - keep rolling the dice gentleman. The more you do, the more you'll get laid!

Just because you are not pleased with your results, being jealous and resentful of successful gamers is not the way to go.

They are not lucky like you imply, they are successful. It's not a "numbers game" for them, numbers game is for the desperate

Post: #22

Quote:If Game is proving such an emotional and physical drain with low results, then do yourself a favour, take time out and figure out a new game plan.

Do you even believe in game, Deb?

Let's be real... the main reason you're still hanging around in this forum is because you have an audience to brag about your Ukrainian conquests. Whatever, brag all you want, but don't hate on guys who are actually putting themselves out there instead of relying on their looks. Re-read the forum rules about not being a dick and so on.

Post: #23

(07-04-2012 01:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Almost impossible to get much better odds in the USA... save for maybe NYC

Janka operates from NYC and his success rate, in his own words from his book, is 11%.

Post: #24

(07-04-2012 02:57 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:If Game is proving such an emotional and physical drain with low results, then do yourself a favour, take time out and figure out a new game plan.

Do you even believe in game, Deb?

Let's be real... the main reason you're still hanging around in this forum is because you have an audience to brag about your Ukrainian conquests. Whatever, brag all you want, but don't hate on guys who are actually putting themselves out there instead of relying on their looks. Re-read the forum rules about not being a dick and so on.

No comment regarding game.

No the reason I post on here is because I like talking to other dudes about getting laid, specifically travelling and banging. Hence 90% of my posts are in the Travel section.

I'm not hating on the guy, he obviously has a deep resentment for successful players. It's that attitude from when you're about 16 and you have oneitis about some girl, then you see her fornicating with some alpha, you get jealous and make out that you are the good guy and guys like him are dirtbags.

Post: #25

(07-04-2012 02:34 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 02:07 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 01:46 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  I don't have an emotional response to rejection any more.

You need to toughen up.

You're defining emotions too narrowly.


For example, if you go out and talk to 100 people, you're probably going to be tired.

It's not like lifting weights, which is physically exhausting.

It's not like reading 1000 pages, which is mentally exhausting.


The only other word to describe the kind of weariness approaching 100 strangers brings is "emotionally".

I used to approach game like a job. Put my hours in. It was emotionally draining. Rejection stung. I felt anxiety before approaching.

Now it's a joke to me.

After a while you reprogram you brain. You just stop feeling certain things.

Or at least that happened to me. Callused.

Well, the big advantage I had going into the game was the lack of approach anxiety.

Strangers cause me zero stress, always have since I was a kid.


But I'm not talking about anxiety. I'm talking about exhaustion.

Going up to girl after girl, talking about the same fucking things, dealing with the same objections, going on the same kinds of dates...

Dude it's a job, and it's damn exhausting.

That's why I use dance game, cuz it's just so much more fun. Even if I strike out after some dance floor game, I still feel good afterwards. Like after leaving the gym.

But striking out after doing 20 approaches during the day, and the only thing you're thinking about is... "God I hate talking to these girls, I just want to fuck them not talk to them".

You can rationally force yourself to push through stress, but that doesn't make it go away. It simply isn't enjoyable to go out and talk to the most boring creatures on the planet.


I've done door to door sales. It's exactly the same as doing day game.


Toughening up makes your game better, keeps you in a better state.

But it doesn't change the fact that day game is fucking boring, doesn't change the fact that it feels like a job.

It's the trade-off a man must accept when doing game.