Post: #101

(05-16-2019 01:49 PM)Corinth Arkadin Wrote:  [...]the type of person who [owns] pit bulls [are] trash people.

If you've never owned or taken care of a pit bull, but you harbor the belief that they're inherently dangerous, then you're welcome to your opinion, but that's all it is.

And you should sit down and shut up, because you don't know what you're talking about, and nobody who's looking to learn something cares what you have to say.

If you've owned a pit bull and still think they're inherently dangerous, then you're a shitty dog owner and weren't capable enough to properly train and guide your dog to achieve his potential.

If you hate pit bulls because you see them as a symbol of a demographic group or class that you fear... well... good luck with that.

I have taken care of dogs whose owners were highly-paid professionals living in nice urban condos, and their dogs were still often poorly behaved and insubordinate. Why? Because being a negligent dog owner doesn't require you to be poor and illiterate.

Who does that leave? People who love pit bulls.

Don't be a hater.

Post: #102

Post: #103

(05-16-2019 06:52 PM)Repo Wrote:  [...]

Parents allowed an untrained dog to have uncontrolled access to a baby?

That's retarded dog ownership at its finest.

Dogs must be trained to respect a newborn baby.

This isn't unique to the breed.

Another tally for shitty dog owner.

Another tally for stupid, negligent humans causing an animal to have to be put down.

Post: #104

Dude it's just a meme

Post: #105

(05-16-2019 06:52 PM)Repo Wrote:      

Hey now, Border Collies aren't basic dogs.

They are the smartest dogs in the world. Did you ever read about Chaser the border collie who memorized the name of 1,300 toys and then was able to do higher level reasoning when a newer toy was introduced to his group of toys that the name of this toy must be Darwin since he had never heard that name before. Look it up on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omaHv5sxiFI

My border collie used to chase people on a bike, so I took away its bike.

Post: #106

^^Bet you could balance 13 beer cans on that dog!

Post: #107

(05-16-2019 08:36 PM)Repo Wrote:  ^^Bet you could balance 13 beer cans on that dog!

(05-16-2019 07:35 PM)Repo Wrote:  Dude it's just a meme

Post: #108

(05-16-2019 02:00 AM)felix_vagabondo Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 10:01 PM)wi30 Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 03:43 PM)felix_vagabondo Wrote:  wi30, the behaviors you describe would indicate that you have a poorly-trained animal who believes that your wife is subordinate to the dog.

My cattle dog mix can balance 3 empty beer cans stacked on her head but yeah, she's poorly-trained.

Impressive.


And I can type 80 WPM

That doesn't make me a stenographer.


Denials of responsibility when your dog doesn't obey your wife's commands...

or claims like "my dog is very disciplined...

"...she only needs to be periodically restrained...

"...she only bites when she feels threatened..."

...and the like

Are definitely signs of an owner who is

a total jackass because he maintains an undisciplined animal

that ignores his wife's commands

...and isn't willing to admit it to himself.

I've met people like this, who make excuses for their poorly behaved animals

And it makes me feel... like Batman in this meme:



Seriously, I've seen this in many a dog owner--the willing denial of the fact that their dog is a public nuisance

Dogs should not be allowed to make decisions for human beings, let alone the wives of their owners.

If your wife wants to fight you, the dog as a subordinate has no right to intervene.

The dog must respect and revere its owner and his family, as if the dog's life depended on it

(which it actually does)

They obviously weren't forum members. That would require you to not be violently autistic.

The amount of assumptions you've made are astounding. You must be watching from the window. I made a one-off post and you've read into this more than Tom Hanks in The Da Vinci Code. What is my wife commanding or fighting for? Jesus Christ, they all get along great. I was making the point that even though dogs are family dogs, they always have a favorite owner. But I guess in your head I'm wearing a wife beater and holding my dogs back with chains every time my wife overcooks the meatloaf.

Are you a dog trainer? Have you ever raised dogs? Or are you the dog version of a 'PUA' who reads 3 articles and starts posting theories on fucking women?

I'll go back to trolling with beer can jokes since you're obviously too obtuse to be capable of having a conversation.

Post: #109

While this breed is trainable I think the very reason they've become popular is part of that lower class American proclivity for doing dumb shit (like buying a PB when another dog will do) and when someone predictably complains the owner gets that dopamine hit while they grunt "mehr freedems!"

Clearly, infringing on the right to mass breed dangerous biological automaton is just one more step down the slippery slope to total Communism.

I guess people have the right to own them but in a civil society they obviously wouldn't exist except for their bred purpose.

IE freedom = suffering retards.

Post: #110

They're great dogs IF you know how to direct their prey drive. If not, yea i wish ppl wouldnt stoke their ego's with dogs.

Bully breeds have always been used for close up high pain tolerance hard biting gritty sport or hunting applications. There's a reason ppl use them as 'catch' dogs for pigs. There's a reason they were used/crossed as an all around farm dog. There's a reason they're crossed with sight hounds to get more 'grit' and staying power ie Lurchers. Some of the best coyote and rat, etc dogs out there are mixes. The mink man uses both dogs and mink to control rats and its awesome use of natural non-poison means for pest control.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZA1an1gd1c&t=932s

And yes whether crossed or pure breed it doesn't matter the terrier and bully breeds are going to do exactly what we manipulated they're genes to do. Much like a Lab will retrieve, a husky will pull, a hound will track, a Aussie Shepard will herd... its all the same prey drive, focused to do different shit. Now, much like a Rottwieler that was bred to pull carts AND as a protection/guard dog poor ppl typically wanted a homestead dog that could do multiple stuff much like "curs" of the American frontier. Guard, herd, hunt, protect...

If you don't know how to direct it....dont get a pit. I honestly don't know the line between .gov interference and personal choice on this one. My first job was at a vet hospital with a crematorium so the city had all the shelters cremate all the animals in the county there; and saw how many fine looking animals get destroyed due to being out of fashion or throwaways...that'll toughen you up at 15 believe me lol.

Post: #111

(05-16-2019 11:33 PM)wi30 Wrote:  What is my wife commanding or fighting for? Jesus Christ, they all get along great.

(05-15-2019 04:24 AM)wi30 Wrote:  [...] if my wife and I are fucking around and pushing/wrestling, she steps in between us. [...] If they are barking [... My wife] has to yell multiple times to get them to stop or [... grab] their collars.

Jesus Christ, I'm starting to get vertigo from all the cognitive dissonance I'm picking up off of your writing.

(05-16-2019 11:33 PM)wi30 Wrote:  [...] even though dogs are family dogs, they always have a favorite owner.

I've never met a dog owner who

once he started making excuses for his bad dog

ever found himself, when confronted with blame,

at a loss for new rationalizations.

There's never any getting through to you until (God forbid) somebody gets injured and an animal ends up euthanized.

(05-16-2019 11:33 PM)wi30 Wrote:  [...] you're obviously too obtuse to be capable of having a conversation.

Good, cause I was pretty much done taking the time to complain about this,

And settling back into my cynical acceptance of the fact that

It's not my dog, not my wife, and so it's not my fucking problem to have to worry about

Being the voice of reason gets old from my perspective, too.

Post: #112

I went to work early so I threw a broom into the pit bull cage so it had something to play with. I come home, it just tore the broom to pieces.

For real, you walk up to the cage and it's all friendly like a little puppy. About two feet out, it just goes nuts like it's ready to kill.

I think it's time to name my pit bull. Any suggestions?

Aloha!

Post: #113

(05-17-2019 03:06 PM)Kona Wrote:  I think it's time to name my pit bull. Any suggestions?

Aloha!

I got bit in the ass by a pitbull when I was 14. I was chopping wood in the trailer park and he ran out the woods and bit me. He belonged to the asphalt plant down the street. They said his name was “meathead”.

Sometimes women ask me what happened and why I have the scar. I tell them I was involved in an axe flight. Which is like 10 percent true.

I also got bit by a chow chow while shopping at wall mart but I’ll save that for another thread.

Post: #114

(05-17-2019 03:06 PM)Kona Wrote:  I went to work early so I threw a broom into the pit bull cage so it had something to play with. I come home, it just tore the broom to pieces.

For real, you walk up to the cage and it's all friendly like a little puppy. About two feet out, it just goes nuts like it's ready to kill.

I think it's time to name my pit bull. Any suggestions?

Aloha!

If I ever saw your dog in real life I'd probably call him lil Kona or Koninha

Take care of your dog mate, don't have him hurt your neighbourhood and vice versa

Post: #115

Siegfried and Roy had cool pets too once.

To paraphrase Chris Rock "the pit bull didn't go crazy, the pit bull went put bull".

Never understood the point of owning one of those things, especially if you have or live in an area with children running around.

Post: #116

(05-17-2019 02:30 PM)felix_vagabondo Wrote:  

(05-16-2019 11:33 PM)wi30 Wrote:  What is my wife commanding or fighting for? Jesus Christ, they all get along great.

(05-15-2019 04:24 AM)wi30 Wrote:  [...] if my wife and I are fucking around and pushing/wrestling, she steps in between us. [...] If they are barking [... My wife] has to yell multiple times to get them to stop or [... grab] their collars.

Jesus Christ, I'm starting to get vertigo from all the cognitive dissonance I'm picking up off of your writing.

(05-16-2019 11:33 PM)wi30 Wrote:  [...] even though dogs are family dogs, they always have a favorite owner.

I've never met a dog owner who

once he started making excuses for his bad dog

ever found himself, when confronted with blame,

at a loss for new rationalizations.

There's never any getting through to you until (God forbid) somebody gets injured and an animal ends up euthanized.

(05-16-2019 11:33 PM)wi30 Wrote:  [...] you're obviously too obtuse to be capable of having a conversation.

Good, cause I was pretty much done taking the time to complain about this,

And settling back into my cynical acceptance of the fact that

It's not my dog, not my wife, and so it's not my fucking problem to have to worry about

Being the voice of reason gets old from my perspective, too.

So you aren't a dog trainer, you've never had a dog, you have no qualifications to be discussing anything in this thread, you're linking the definition of cognitive dissonance to Wikipedia and framing everything to make you look right for no other reason than your ego?

Great to see you back MMX2010!

Post: #117

(05-17-2019 03:06 PM)Kona Wrote:  I went to work early so I threw a broom into the pit bull cage so it had something to play with. I come home, it just tore the broom to pieces.

For real, you walk up to the cage and it's all friendly like a little puppy. About two feet out, it just goes nuts like it's ready to kill.

I think it's time to name my pit bull. Any suggestions?

Aloha!

Lumiere.

Post: #118

(05-17-2019 10:24 PM)wi30 Wrote:  [...]you have no qualifications to be discussing anything in this thread

I've walked dogs for a living.

I can immediately tell the difference between a well-trained dog and a dog that hasn't received appropriate attention from its owner, because a dog's demeanor on the leash--its subtle displays of dominance or of subordination--say a lot about what type of mischief their owner tolerates, and whether he requires the dog to respect people.

Whenever I meet a dog that's poorly behaved, I see a dog that has the potential to improve, if only the owner would invest time in the animal. I can just tell. When a dog acts out, it's not the fault of the dog, nor of the breed. It's because somebody was foolish enough to purchase a dog that they weren't willing or able to adequately lead and instill an appropriate mentality.

I have seen dogs of all breeds act atrociously on the leash--lunging at other dogs, barking, pulling on the leash. It is the norm, because owners that train their dogs well are few and far in between. By the end of an hour walk, we've usually come to a balanced rhythem, and then I return the dog to their negligent owners--like the guy who leaves his dog in a cage all day and thinks throwing in a broom suffices for an actual walk.

TL;DR It's the owner's fault.

(05-17-2019 10:24 PM)wi30 Wrote:  you're linking the definition of cognitive dissonance to Wikipedia [...]

Yeah, because the definition of cognitive dissonance literally describes your comments.

(05-17-2019 10:24 PM)wi30 Wrote:  Great to see you back MMX2010!

For the record, this is the only account I have ever registered on this forum.

How about you?

Post: #119

Classic case of someone knowing just enough to think they know shit when they don't. Most dogs will look to the person handling them at any given moment and develop different rules for different people. Only truly fucked up dogs will act disrespectfully when dealing with a new person taking charge of them.

This is why I've been able to knock the socks off of dog owners that say they can't train their dog yet I can instantly demonstrate it behaving appropriately in my presence. So you go and walk someone's dog and because it behaves well and responds to your authority you assume it's well trained? Whatever. It could be a total shit for that dude's wife because she has a track record of being a pushover but you'd never know because you just walk the damn thing, you don't live with it.

Even police-trained dogs will walk over the wives of their handlers. Training a dog to respond correctly to every human no matter how omega they are takes the extreme kind of training that virtually nobody has time for. It's also counterproductive. If I have a dog guarding my yard then I expect it to be impolite to strangers and ignore their commands unless in my presence.

Looking forward to you lecturing Veloce about cuisine because you worked at a McDonalds for a month.

Post: #120

Seems like most posters have no clue about working dogs. Pit has immense prey drive as do some other breeds but the pit has more tenacity, drive, and way more strength. They are great catch dogs and add a lot to a lurcher mix to make it a better kill dog.
The thing is they are not for a pet owner. They are working dogs. Every 50 year old harpie in my town who hasn't resigned to her fate as a cat lady wants a "rescue pit". Madness. I have a Drahthaar who has some prey drive but not the kill and strength like a pit. My sister was always wanting to take it to her friends houses because he is so pretty. No guy who loves hunting dogs could care less if it is pretty. She could not understand that her friends cats and any other small pets would be dead because she has no ability to read dog body language. Kids would be fine but I would put them in the same boat as a cat if he was a pit. Stronger prey drive.
I always carry a pistol when I walk my dog. It is more for Pits than moose or bears. I see them running up to my dog with their owners yelling their names to no avail and I am ready. No recall with these people on their dogs. So far they haven't fully jumped my dog but the language and preliminaries are there. I let the owners know how it will end. Not concerned if a golden retriever has no recall and wants to fight, they can't do the damage a pit will do. No one cries for a dead pit other than batshit crazy people or actual pig hunters with great dogs.

Post: #121

Ok it's the owners fault. it doesn't matter.

Since we will never in a million years make city dwellers smarter or better at training dogs, then the only solution is to ban pit bulls in cities.

It's illegal in almost all cities for average citizens to own tigers, bears, coyotes, and other wild animals. That's because people are stupid, and irresponsible, and will stupidly own an animal they can't control. And that animal will get loose and attack groups of children.

Pit bulls are not pets. They are working dogs, with super high prey drive. The kid next door is prey. Thus, they must be banned like all other predators.

It's also not fair to the dogs to keep them in situations they are not bred for.

Post: #122

There is a difference between a dog being

(05-17-2019 11:53 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  [...] impolite to strangers and [ignoring] their commands unless in my presence [...]

and a dog ignoring the commands of known family members.

(05-17-2019 11:53 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Looking forward to you lecturing Veloce about cuisine because you worked at a McDonalds for a month.

(06-30-2015 10:42 AM)Veloce Wrote:  That's why history, the wisdom of elders, and brotherhood amongst men is so goddamned important. History and philosophy aren't collections of obscure facts, events, and postulations. They are guides on how to live a happy, fulfilling life and avoid mistakes.

Sounds like a reasonable fellow.

Thanks for the reference!

Post: #123

(05-17-2019 11:53 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Looking forward to you lecturing Veloce about cuisine because you worked at a McDonalds for a month.

How would Veloce cok a pit bull?

Asking for a Filipino friend.

Aloha!

Post: #124

(05-18-2019 02:43 AM)Kona Wrote:  How would Veloce cok a pit bull?

Asking for a Filipino friend.

Aloha!

That question belongs in the 'Game' forum, Kona.

And frankly, I don't think anybody's dry spell can be that bad.

Post: #125

(05-18-2019 03:44 AM)Matsufubu Wrote:  

(05-18-2019 02:43 AM)Kona Wrote:  How would Veloce cok a pit bull?

Asking for a Filipino friend.

Aloha!

That question belongs in the 'Game' forum, Kona.

And frankly, I don't think anybody's dry spell can be that bad.

COOK. I want to COOK and eat the pt bull (well my friend does) not do anything weird.

Aloha!