Post: #276

(04-06-2019 12:39 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(04-06-2019 12:28 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  How do the Christians on this forum justify their womanizing?

Read post number 1.

That post has nothing to say about the relationship between the god pill and sex/womanizing.

Post: #277

Short summaries of biblical mythology regarding spiritual beings.













In Christian Theology. The only angels that are represented with wings are Cherubim and Seraphim. The rest of the angels don't have wings portrayed at all.

What they actually looked like in a vision:

Daniel 10:5-6

Quote:4On the twenty-fourth day of the first month, as I was standing on the bank of the great river, the Tigris, 5I lifted up my eyes, and behold, there was a certain man dressed in linen, with a belt of fine gold from Uphaz around his waist. 6His body was like beryl, his face like the brilliance of lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of polished bronze, and the sound of his words like the sound of a multitude.

I identify this person as Gabriel who came earlier in Daniel 9.

The fact that he needed Michaels help to fight against the Prince of Greece indicates that he is not the pre-incarnate Christ as some may argue.

Post: #278

Makes you wonder why they call it monotheism.

There's all kinds of angels, spirits, saints, demons, etc.

Pray to Saint A for a good harvest, pray to Saint B to protect your wife during childbirth, beware of demon C, hope for guidance from Angel D, and so on.

Isn't that just a thinly veiled version of polytheism?

The difference seems purely semantic.

Why not say that there's only one God. Full stop.
There's God and nothing else.
Just God.

Would be interesting to hear some thoughts on that.

Post: #279

(04-06-2019 07:29 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  In Christian Theology. The only angels that are represented with wings are Cherubim and Seraphim. The rest of the angels don't have wings portrayed at all.

Also, angels look like humans, are extremely strong and sometimes seem very hostile to humans and even though they seem like made of flesh, they can pass sometimes through solid objects.

But most interesting thing to me is how God gave angels dominion over the Earth and appointed them as rulers of countries. There were at least 70 nations, so 70 god like kings, i.e. angels. Now the whole story makes sense. Ancient main gods of specific nations are actually their angelic rulers, intermediaries between God and Man.

ANGELS AND DEMONS: OR, HOW THE GODS ARE REAL

Post: #280

(04-05-2019 06:12 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  I was actually thinking along these same lines the other day about the difference between things that exist physically versus conceptually, and things that couldn't even exist conceptually like another integer between 3 and 4 (without redefining 3 or 4).

To me though this would imply more of a immutable machine God than a personal God, like an anthropomorphism of all the logical rules to which reality is bound. I can't make a silent request to Math for a girl to spill out of her blouse when she bends over.

There's a youtube video where famed atheist Matt Dillhunty fields the transcendental argument from a Christian. Dillahunty concludes by calling Logic transcendental. During another time, some may have said he concluded by calling Logic his god.

Post: #281

Post: #282

(04-06-2019 08:11 AM)Belgrano Wrote:  Makes you wonder why they call it monotheism.

There's all kinds of angels, spirits, saints, demons, etc.

Pray to Saint A for a good harvest, pray to Saint B to protect your wife during childbirth, beware of demon C, hope for guidance from Angel D, and so on.

Isn't that just a thinly veiled version of polytheism?

The difference seems purely semantic.

Why not say that there's only one God. Full stop.
There's God and nothing else.
Just God.

Would be interesting to hear some thoughts on that.

Lol. Another mistake thinking logically when applied to spiritual matters. You will be wrong similarly how autistic or nerdy men who are too logical fail with women and do not understand the reasons behind their apparently illogical b behavior.

Imagine a woman calling her man a man. Just man. No name. For first date, first year of dating, twenty rears of marriage. Don't you think that man would get fed up with that. maybe he would tolerate that for a while but it would seem very strange if prolonged for too long.

Sooner or later you have to call the spiritual entity you are working with in it's name.

Post: #283

(04-06-2019 01:55 AM)Aurini Wrote:  My argument cut through probabilistic knowledge, and hit upon absolutes. 2+2=4; this electric circuit does thus; math is unknowable. That is not 'fuzzy human logic' - that is the hardest of machine algebra.

Regardless of the nature of math, it doesn't suggest that there's a God. I get that you see it, and maybe it sounds smarter than Kirk Cameron's banana monologue, but it is not particularly compelling, IMHO. There's no denying that the universe holds a certain level of mystery and wonder but that in and of itself does not prove God and it certainly doesn't prove any of the specific details of organized religions. At most it might prove that you can't completely rule out a God, but does not prove it.

(04-06-2019 09:06 AM)Mage Wrote:  Sooner or later you have to call the spiritual entity you are working with in it's name.

Rationalization. Polytheism seems to be a more natural mental model of gods than monotheism. I visited a museum a few years ago that had a lot of ancient artefacts that featured prominently were these little household idols. They were trinkets akin to superhero action figures today, but they were often used in the household. Pray to this or that minor diety for this or that effect. When monotheism tries to assert itself onto a society it is having to appeal to those who would much rather deal with a pantheon of gods like this rather than just one. That is why you wind up with angels, devils, holy trinity, etc... This is also the same reason why Christiany mutated in other cultures when it spread, incorporating rituals and superstitions from what it replaced santería/voodoo/halloween. Organized religion is corrupt in this way. It reflects its various influences and is tailored to its "target demographic" so to speak. You can see how the mental backflips used to rationalize all this begin to look similar to the same phenomenon of reconciling canon in long-standing fictional worlds like Star Trek. Truth really shouldn't look this messy. It reflects the hand of man, like the game of telephone. We just have too active imaginations for our own good. That imagination creates these inconsistencies in the first place and then it turns around and tries to invent rationalizations for them, yielding a complete mess. It's also the same reason conspiracy theorists keep expanding the conspiracy with layer upon layer as their theories get debunked. Maybe the kernel of doubt behind the conspiracy was valid originally, but by the end of it as more and more questions are answered, none of the working theory satisfies Occam's Razor and becomes more of a work of fiction than a valid theory. Even Alex Jones had to concede in court that his whole Sandy Hook affair was a bout with insanity.

Post: #284

If one is a true believer, he will SURRENDER his own desires as all outcomes can only be God's will and therefore cannot be questioned.

The more one can do this the greater peace they will have.

I am not muslim but have noticed those muslims that say 'insh'allah' (god willing) after everything and really believe it are the happiest people.

Post: #285

(04-06-2019 07:28 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

(04-06-2019 12:39 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(04-06-2019 12:28 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  How do the Christians on this forum justify their womanizing?

Read post number 1.

That post has nothing to say about the relationship between the god pill and sex/womanizing.

Of course it does, unless you are purely a literal reader. Some clues from post number 1:

"my personal experiences with unbridled hedonism"
"gateway"
"progression"
"unsustainable"
"high degree of despair, meaninglessness, and hopelessless"
"final destination"

Rush has announced that he is groping his way towards the light. As such, his focus and inclinations will change -- possibly quite dramataically.
______________

A Christian realizes that he part of the fallen state of man, that no man (save one) was perfect, that he will sin regardless of how hard he may try not to sin, that his quest for God is a life-time work-in-process, and that he will travel through various stages until he reaches a perfect state of godliness:

"Once a person is born again, he is saved from the penalty of sin (Rom. 8:1; Eph. 2:5, 8), the power of sin (Rom. 6:11-14), and will ultimately be saved from the presence of sin when God takes him to heaven and gives him a new body like the body of Jesus (Phil. 3:20-21). This truth is related to the three phases of salvation: justification, sanctification, and glorification.

1. Justification is the instantaneous act of God whereby He forgives the sinner of all sins—past, present and future—and declares him perfectly righteous in His sight. Justification is predicated on “the gift of righteousness” that God freely imputes to the believer at the moment of salvation (Rom. 5:17; 2 Cor. 5:21; Phil. 3:9). Justification before a holy God is possible solely on the grounds that Christ has borne every sin committed by the sinner (Heb. 10:10-14; 1 Pet. 3:18), and as an act of pure grace freely imputes His perfect righteousness to him (Rom. 3:21-26; 5:17; 2 Cor. 5:21; Phil. 3:9; 1 John 2:2). Justification is always by grace and never by works, as the sinner is, “justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus” (Rom. 3:24).

2. Sanctification is the process whereby the believer moves from spiritual infancy to spiritual maturity over time as he learns God’s Word and makes good choices to live God’s will (Eph. 4:11-16; 2 Thess. 2:13; 2 Tim. 3:14-17; 1 Pet. 2:2; 2 Pet. 3:18). The Christian who advances to spiritual maturity does so only in the power of the Holy Spirit and on the basis of God’s Word daily learned and applied (Eph. 5:18; Gal. 5:16; 1 Pet. 2:2; 2 Pet. 3:18). Sanctification is never instantaneous but is ongoing until the Christian leaves this world and goes to heaven.

3. Glorification is the final phase of the believer’s salvation experience and occurs when he leaves this world, either by death or by rapture, and enters into the presence of God in heaven (Rom. 8:17-18). The Christian never achieves sinless perfection until he is glorified in heaven, at which time his sin nature is removed and he is given a perfect body (Phil. 3:20-21)."

https://thinkingonscripture.com/2013/11/...salvation/

Post: #286

(04-06-2019 08:11 AM)Belgrano Wrote:  Why not say that there's only one God. Full stop.
There's God and nothing else.
Just God.

Would be interesting to hear some thoughts on that.

That is the Protestant Calvinistic view. There is one God that consists of the trinity of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. They do not pray to Mary, the Saints, or anyone else other than God. Nor do they have any images in church other than the Latin cross. This is not to say that God has not created many other beings.

Post: #287

I'm always curious as to why there is so much either/or in questioning, when in reality the answer is either/and.

We talk about God the way we do because that is what has been revealed to us. There is one true God, but there is more to be said about Him than that. There are also spirits, both angelic and demonic powers. There is us human beings, a heightened creation made in His image and likeness, of which there is much to be said about, especially since ICXC came to show us what humans are ideally, and what the Father is.

And as an additional correction, the original church doesn't "pray to the saints" as if they are gods (that syntax suggests such). They pray with the body of Christ, the Church, which is comprised of the Saints. Of course, what we do has always been done, and it is also in the bible, not that that's particularly necessary as an appeal. But I guess it helps for those who want to look at it like a Quranic manuscript, as if it just fell from the sky as some kind of instruction manual.

Post: #288

Some of my favorite Christian documentaries on youtube:









https://www.youtube.com/user/framingtheworldprod

This guy consistently gives powerful sermons: https://www.youtube.com/user/sanderson1611

Post: #289

This is an interesting event sure to bring controversy:
Make America Straight Again



I posted this in the lounge thread also.

I like how the preacher at the end says "Bring on the persecution, I'm not going along with this faggot agenda!" (paraphrase)

I know I've kept my mouth shut many times to avoid persecution.

Post: #290

(04-06-2019 03:25 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  I like how the preacher at the end says "Bring on the persecution, I'm not going along with this faggot agenda!" (paraphrase)

I know I've kept my mouth shut many times to avoid persecution.

A scripture that liberals love to twist out of context is "Judge not, that ye be not judged." In fact, the entire jury system of the Western world is based on Judeo-Christian precepts of due process, witnesses, and a jury system as found in the Bible. Of course, you can always judge people's actions. All the verse means is that you cannot judge what is in a man's heart, because that knowledge is known only to God. For example, is a man really a Christian -- or just pretending? Only God knows. But you can judge a man's actions all day long -- and condemn his actions, if warranted.

Another misunderstood Bible verse is the admonition of Jesus to turn the other cheek. It simply means to ignore personal slights, like some driver flipping you off. It does not mean to idly stand by and to allow evil to occur (for example, a violent act against yourself or a family member). More importantly, the verse applies only to personal antagonists or enemies, not to enemies of God. In fact, a Christian is called to hate God's enemies with a "perfect hatred." Psalm 139:22.

Another poisonous lie is that God loves everyone. God’s love for his people is unconditional — thanks to the work of Christ. In many other places, Scripture depicts God’s love as conditioned by obedience. God does not love everyone. Why should he love evil unrepentant bastards? But he will allow even the most evil to repent -- and is such an unconditional willingness to forgive anyone not a form of love?

Is a lie always a sin? What if the Nazis show up at your door asking for Anne Frank? Can you not lie to protect the innocent from the evil? Moreover, should you tell the truth to God's enemies, if they will use the truth to do harm? A strong Christian man must grow in wisdom and in discernment as he navigates the scripture.

All Bible passages must be read in proper context (including with the rest of the Bible) and in light of the audience to which the author wrote.

Post: #291

^
A lot of Churchians like to overlook that while a God of love, he is also a God of wrath...

Post: #292

Post: #293

(04-06-2019 10:43 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(04-06-2019 07:28 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

(04-06-2019 12:39 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(04-06-2019 12:28 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  How do the Christians on this forum justify their womanizing?

Read post number 1.

That post has nothing to say about the relationship between the god pill and sex/womanizing.

Of course it does, unless you are purely a literal reader. Some clues from post number 1:

"my personal experiences with unbridled hedonism"
"gateway"
"progression"
"unsustainable"
"high degree of despair, meaninglessness, and hopelessless"
"final destination"

Rush has announced that he is groping his way towards the light. As such, his focus and inclinations will change -- possibly quite dramataically.
______________

A Christian realizes that he part of the fallen state of man, that no man (save one) was perfect, that he will sin regardless of how hard he may try not to sin, that his quest for God is a life-time work-in-process, and that he will travel through various stages until he reaches a perfect state of godliness:

"Once a person is born again, he is saved from the penalty of sin (Rom. 8:1; Eph. 2:5, 8), the power of sin (Rom. 6:11-14), and will ultimately be saved from the presence of sin when God takes him to heaven and gives him a new body like the body of Jesus (Phil. 3:20-21). This truth is related to the three phases of salvation: justification, sanctification, and glorification.

1. Justification is the instantaneous act of God whereby He forgives the sinner of all sins—past, present and future—and declares him perfectly righteous in His sight. Justification is predicated on “the gift of righteousness” that God freely imputes to the believer at the moment of salvation (Rom. 5:17; 2 Cor. 5:21; Phil. 3:9). Justification before a holy God is possible solely on the grounds that Christ has borne every sin committed by the sinner (Heb. 10:10-14; 1 Pet. 3:18), and as an act of pure grace freely imputes His perfect righteousness to him (Rom. 3:21-26; 5:17; 2 Cor. 5:21; Phil. 3:9; 1 John 2:2). Justification is always by grace and never by works, as the sinner is, “justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus” (Rom. 3:24).

2. Sanctification is the process whereby the believer moves from spiritual infancy to spiritual maturity over time as he learns God’s Word and makes good choices to live God’s will (Eph. 4:11-16; 2 Thess. 2:13; 2 Tim. 3:14-17; 1 Pet. 2:2; 2 Pet. 3:18). The Christian who advances to spiritual maturity does so only in the power of the Holy Spirit and on the basis of God’s Word daily learned and applied (Eph. 5:18; Gal. 5:16; 1 Pet. 2:2; 2 Pet. 3:18). Sanctification is never instantaneous but is ongoing until the Christian leaves this world and goes to heaven.

3. Glorification is the final phase of the believer’s salvation experience and occurs when he leaves this world, either by death or by rapture, and enters into the presence of God in heaven (Rom. 8:17-18). The Christian never achieves sinless perfection until he is glorified in heaven, at which time his sin nature is removed and he is given a perfect body (Phil. 3:20-21)."

https://thinkingonscripture.com/2013/11/...salvation/

So are you all swearing off casual sex?

This is something I've done lately but it wasn't a religious thing it was more of a have more free time thing.

Post: #294

(04-06-2019 11:00 PM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

(04-06-2019 10:43 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(04-06-2019 07:28 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

(04-06-2019 12:39 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(04-06-2019 12:28 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  How do the Christians on this forum justify their womanizing?

Read post number 1.

That post has nothing to say about the relationship between the god pill and sex/womanizing.

Of course it does, unless you are purely a literal reader. Some clues from post number 1:

"my personal experiences with unbridled hedonism"
"gateway"
"progression"
"unsustainable"
"high degree of despair, meaninglessness, and hopelessless"
"final destination"

Rush has announced that he is groping his way towards the light. As such, his focus and inclinations will change -- possibly quite dramataically.
______________

A Christian realizes that he part of the fallen state of man, that no man (save one) was perfect, that he will sin regardless of how hard he may try not to sin, that his quest for God is a life-time work-in-process, and that he will travel through various stages until he reaches a perfect state of godliness:

"Once a person is born again, he is saved from the penalty of sin (Rom. 8:1; Eph. 2:5, 8), the power of sin (Rom. 6:11-14), and will ultimately be saved from the presence of sin when God takes him to heaven and gives him a new body like the body of Jesus (Phil. 3:20-21). This truth is related to the three phases of salvation: justification, sanctification, and glorification.

1. Justification is the instantaneous act of God whereby He forgives the sinner of all sins—past, present and future—and declares him perfectly righteous in His sight. Justification is predicated on “the gift of righteousness” that God freely imputes to the believer at the moment of salvation (Rom. 5:17; 2 Cor. 5:21; Phil. 3:9). Justification before a holy God is possible solely on the grounds that Christ has borne every sin committed by the sinner (Heb. 10:10-14; 1 Pet. 3:18), and as an act of pure grace freely imputes His perfect righteousness to him (Rom. 3:21-26; 5:17; 2 Cor. 5:21; Phil. 3:9; 1 John 2:2). Justification is always by grace and never by works, as the sinner is, “justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus” (Rom. 3:24).

2. Sanctification is the process whereby the believer moves from spiritual infancy to spiritual maturity over time as he learns God’s Word and makes good choices to live God’s will (Eph. 4:11-16; 2 Thess. 2:13; 2 Tim. 3:14-17; 1 Pet. 2:2; 2 Pet. 3:18). The Christian who advances to spiritual maturity does so only in the power of the Holy Spirit and on the basis of God’s Word daily learned and applied (Eph. 5:18; Gal. 5:16; 1 Pet. 2:2; 2 Pet. 3:18). Sanctification is never instantaneous but is ongoing until the Christian leaves this world and goes to heaven.

3. Glorification is the final phase of the believer’s salvation experience and occurs when he leaves this world, either by death or by rapture, and enters into the presence of God in heaven (Rom. 8:17-18). The Christian never achieves sinless perfection until he is glorified in heaven, at which time his sin nature is removed and he is given a perfect body (Phil. 3:20-21)."

https://thinkingonscripture.com/2013/11/...salvation/

So are you all swearing off casual sex?

This is something I've done lately but it wasn't a religious thing it was more of a have more free time thing.

Same. It takes up too much time.

Giving up porn has also reduced my desire for casual sex. Honestly, it helped with a lot of stuff, which can be explained through a chemical/materialist view and/or a spiritual/God view.

Post: #295

Is there anyway for Christians to justify casual sex?

As for porn - I still use it even though I don't think its healthy or exactly kosher - kinda like drinking beer (feels good, but not good).

Post: #296

(04-06-2019 08:31 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  

(04-06-2019 07:29 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  In Christian Theology. The only angels that are represented with wings are Cherubim and Seraphim. The rest of the angels don't have wings portrayed at all.

Also, angels look like humans, are extremely strong and sometimes seem very hostile to humans and even though they seem like made of flesh, they can pass sometimes through solid objects.

But most interesting thing to me is how God gave angels dominion over the Earth and appointed them as rulers of countries. There were at least 70 nations, so 70 god like kings, i.e. angels. Now the whole story makes sense. Ancient main gods of specific nations are actually their angelic rulers, intermediaries between God and Man.

ANGELS AND DEMONS: OR, HOW THE GODS ARE REAL

Indeed. Whilst they always appear as men and many times ordinary men. They do look like beings that have glowing eyes and bodies that look like crystal at least when portrayed in a dream. Their flesh that looks like bright bronze.

I find the link interesting. I think the 70 nations with Angels ruling over it may also referring to this:

Deuteronomy 32:8

Quote:When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when He divided the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God

Post: #297

(04-06-2019 08:11 AM)Belgrano Wrote:  Makes you wonder why they call it monotheism.

There's all kinds of angels, spirits, saints, demons, etc.

Pray to Saint A for a good harvest, pray to Saint B to protect your wife during childbirth, beware of demon C, hope for guidance from Angel D, and so on.

Isn't that just a thinly veiled version of polytheism?

The difference seems purely semantic.

Why not say that there's only one God. Full stop.
There's God and nothing else.
Just God.

Would be interesting to hear some thoughts on that.

Agreed. There has never been an instance in scripture of dead people being asked to pray for X. Nor an instance of asking anyone else but God for everything described.

God is the God of everything that is.

Post: #298

(04-06-2019 04:02 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(04-06-2019 03:25 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  I like how the preacher at the end says "Bring on the persecution, I'm not going along with this faggot agenda!" (paraphrase)

I know I've kept my mouth shut many times to avoid persecution.

A scripture that liberals love to twist out of context is "Judge not, that ye be not judged." In fact, the entire jury system of the Western world is based on Judeo-Christian precepts of due process, witnesses, and a jury system as found in the Bible. Of course, you can always judge people's actions. All the verse means is that you cannot judge what is in a man's heart, because that knowledge is known only to God. For example, is a man really a Christian -- or just pretending? Only God knows. But you can judge a man's actions all day long -- and condemn his actions, if warranted.

Another misunderstood Bible verse is the admonition of Jesus to turn the other cheek. It simply means to ignore personal slights, like some driver flipping you off. It does not mean to idly stand by and to allow evil to occur (for example, a violent act against yourself or a family member). More importantly, the verse applies only to personal antagonists or enemies, not to enemies of God. In fact, a Christian is called to hate God's enemies with a "perfect hatred." Psalm 139:22.

Another poisonous lie is that God loves everyone. God’s love for his people is unconditional — thanks to the work of Christ. In many other places, Scripture depicts God’s love as conditioned by obedience. God does not love everyone. Why should he love evil unrepentant bastards? But he will allow even the most evil to repent -- and is such an unconditional willingness to forgive anyone not a form of love?

Is a lie always a sin? What if the Nazis show up at your door asking for Anne Frank? Can you not lie to protect the innocent from the evil? Moreover, should you tell the truth to God's enemies, if they will use the truth to do harm? A strong Christian man must grow in wisdom and in discernment as he navigates the scripture.

All Bible passages must be read in proper context (including with the rest of the Bible) and in light of the audience to which the author wrote.

Plus the word Agape(which is the greek word for Divine Holy Love) is uniquely characteristic of God which we are to imitate. Encompassing Mercy and Justice.

Isaiah saw this same God:

Quote:1In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted; and the train of His robea filled the temple. 2Above Him stood seraphim(Hebrew for "Burning Ones" as if the Angel was set on fire or made of fire), each having six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying. 3And they called out to one another:


Holy, holy, holy

is the LORD of Hosts;

His glory fills all the earth.

4The doorposts and thresholds shook at the sound of their voices, and the temple was filled with smoke.

Post: #299

(04-07-2019 08:36 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  Deuteronomy 32:8

Quote:When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when He divided the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God

Since "son of God" means an angel, that means that because there were 70 or 72 nations in that unspecified part of ancient history, that there are actually just 70 angels in existence.

I believe angels on Earth are either dead or they shed their physical bodies and left this existence. I believe angels are mortal but not decaying; as in many occult or spiritual literature, beings that reside on planes "higher" than this one are said to be very powerful, don't get old or their appearance doesn't change (undacaying) but they are mortal. They probably can be killed by one of their own species and that is maybe what happened. I doubt humans killed them.

Post: #300

(04-07-2019 09:08 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  

(04-07-2019 08:36 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  Deuteronomy 32:8

Quote:When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when He divided the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God

Since "son of God" means an angel, that means that because there were 70 or 72 nations in that unspecified part of ancient history, that there are actually just 70 angels in existence.

I believe angels on Earth are either dead or they shed their physical bodies and left this existence. I believe angels are mortal but not decaying; as in many occult or spiritual literature, beings that reside on planes "higher" than this one are said to be very powerful, don't get old or their appearance doesn't change (undacaying) but they are mortal. They probably can be killed by one of their own species and that is maybe what happened. I doubt humans killed them.

I dunno. But if they are Mortal. I don't see how the Princes of the nation of Greece and Persia would still live even after fighting with Michael and Gabriel.

And how the Angels in Heaven after the war in heaven according to Revelation are merely expelled and not destroyed.