Post: #76

I've recently posted this before, yet this classic Patrice bit deserves another showing.
Granted he led the conversation on a sexual context, yet there was nothing to prevent any of the chicks in the audience from making a lateral or differing claim, to show their worth in other ways :

Post: #77

(04-01-2019 01:00 AM)N°6 Wrote:  Chad having a harem of average women is overstated however. I think volcel average women “holding out for a hero” (aka Officer and a Gentleman) is more common.

I’m wondering what is going on in the next lowest tier of the pyramid. If the bottom 30% is incel, then maybe the next 20% is semi incel, “getting lucky” a few times per year. I’d speculate this group is with obese women and causing the increase in older women hooking up.

Don't underestimate as well men with 'girlfriends', even live in girlfriends, who barely have sex.

I know guys albeit in their mid-late 30s who are in LTRs with jaded 30 year old women, live with them yet are likely just glorified roommates.

If the woman doesn't have a shred of femiminity to her, and isn't aroused by her guy, how often will sex happen?

May get it every few weeks or so, but it is essentially just a relationship of convenience/emotional comfort.

You're right about there being a lot of volcel women too.

Post: #78

^
Then throw in AB's savvy take on the whole 'Neo-Puratinism' situation.

Chicks too inexperienced or too insecure to deal with a man in a normal way...

Post: #79

Who is AB?

Post: #80

AnonymousBosch. Smart guy.

Post: #81

Volcels..lol.

If a woman isnt getting any because she cant find a guy who makes her wet, shes an incel.

Guy incels are often quite picky as well.

Post: #82

So if I get laid does that mean I’m involuntary incelibate?

Post: #83

(04-01-2019 04:48 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  So if I get laid does that mean I’m involuntary incelibate?

Only if you didn't want to get laid.

Post: #84

Post: #85

Are we gonna end up like Japan, nation of asexuals and incels?

Problems is that today's women lack sex drive, they can go months and years without sex with a man , all their emotional and physical needs can be satisfied with Instagram,dildo and pets

Post: #86

I see a number of new births per women to go <1. The people having kids around me are mostly the migrants, a few low income Germans having a one child, and upper middle classes and higher families having 2 or more kids. The poshest areas in a few biggest cities around me, are the ones with the most children, according to my observation.

This must be all part of the grand plan. The elites do not want anyone other than themselves and a few useful servants reproducing.

Post: #87

(04-03-2019 05:25 AM)Bananaman711 Wrote:  Are we gonna end up like Japan, nation of asexuals and incels?

Problems is that today's women lack sex drive, they can go months and years without sex with a man , all their emotional and physical needs can be satisfied with Instagram,dildo and pets

T levels are lower in Japan compared to most western men.

Think in big cities more men will pair up with newly arrived immigrant women- not something that can happen in Japan.

The next 15-20 years will certainly be interesting though.

Post: #88

(03-30-2019 01:23 PM)TheFinalEpic Wrote:  I feel like we were talking about this 4 or 5 years ago, once you take out the controls on women's sexuality, you see a capitalistic skewing of who's having sex as a man and who isn't. Women are going to go after the top x% of men, and that doesn't necessarily mean for marriage, but for banging etc. So, it's never been a better time to be a top tier male in history, but it's also probably never been a worse time to be a bottom tier male (at least in history, you could likely count on locking down some sort of decent woman and having a family).

Men will continue to opt out, making it easier for men that are actively bettering themselves and working towards their visions. If you're not a top tier male, focus on yourself for 6 months to a year and see the difference. You will be surprised how easy it is for a man to jump up in the sexual market place by dressing well, having game, money, and a decent body.

Everything is a cycle, you will see the trend reverse when women realize that getting banged by a bunch of dudes that don't care about them isn't the path to happiness. Call me excessively positive, but I've seen this in the past year or so more and more.

There's a lot of truth to this but I'd like to add a few considerations.

The problem isn't just that women have an inflated SMV - they also falsely believe they have far more options than they really do. When you see girls crying in the street outside a club, there's a good chance its because she found out her SMV was nowhere near as high as she thought.

Most of the attention they get is from beta orbiters with no game. And the high quality men that DO give them attention most likely already have other women in their rotation.

High status men aren't competing with other high status men - they're competing for the women's attention (which comes from LOW status men). Women don't desire to feel loved by a real person anymore since they can upload a selfie with a dog filter and get hundreds of likes and fulfill their need for love right away without any effort.

Meanwhile, men are overwhelmingly addicted to porn and many have given up hope with women. It's sad all around.

Post: #89

Someone asks how it's going in Europe.

In France it's pretty hard to find statistics concerning sex, but according to this source the number of sexual rapports per month is 8.7, and is the same for men and women.

https://sante-medecine.journaldesfemmes....atistiques

My gut instinct is to scream bullshit, but after 5 years here I think I know better. It's a different scene in France and in Europe generally, they have a lot more open attitude regarding sex in the sense that it is not such a big deal. In Paris you either feel like everybody is getting laid or nobody is getting laid at all. The French men in Paris however behave in a very girly and bitchy way, and that kinda works. In WIA's word, chicks reward you for behaving like a hot chick, and the guys here are very good at snide comments, backstabbing and rumor mongering.

European also travels A LOT more than Americans, and that solves a lot of problem regarding sex.

Seriously though, the most obvious solution for most American guys is to simply pick up a passport.

Post: #90

The next 15 years will be quite interesting. At least for us guys in our mid 30s, there is a light of hope: GenZ women are quite open about sex (when they feel like having it), and I have found that they rarely have an issue with age (as long as the guy is physically attractive and has his shit together, of course).

I am in my mid 30s, and have been with GenZ girs aged 21, and they couldn't care less about age; they openly talk about their lovers on the mid 40s.
Given the state of the economy, they know their college studies are only to make connections or get certain skills: they fully acknowledge that any job they get is only temporary, and the money loaned for college will never be paid back to creditors anyway. Some are even dropping out of college, learning skills online, selling handcrafts and freelancing; good for them I would say.

Indeed, I have found that this younger generation can feel a more profound emotional connection if you take them to dinner, than going to a motel. As for sugar-babying, I think that we are just some years from seeing the open acceptance of "mutually beneficial arrangements". Not sugaring strictly, but basically the young women will be quite open to accepting gifts and help with expenses from the alphas they fuck (after having sex and only of sex was good).

Me and my colleagues have openly helped some GenZ girls with one month of rent, a used laptop for freelancing, feedback on how to pitch their services, etc. These girls are broke and have no future in the job market, and are starting up from zero in their early 20s; you actually feel good to lend a hand once in a while. After all, if the company and sex with a woman 15 years your junior is already good, why not provide them with a temporary "enticement"; after all, you are competing with dozens of alphas that are also approaching them.

The key item here is, of course, that the help is not really a contract, nor dependant on sex or performance, but rather a good-will gesture from an older, experienced guy that has lived way more than them. The help MUST only come after some dates and after various sessions of sex. Give it as a surprise, and usually the girl will be quite happy. They say you receive what you give.

This GenZrs will eventually be in their 30s, and by then I will be in my 50s, which will basically become my target market for sentimental companionship and sex. I think that millenial women are by now, axiomatically lost on the emotional, physical, financial, tax and personal sense, and are simply not worth the time of searching for one that is not neurotic.

Regarding millenial and GenZ men, well, most of them are fucked anyway, so as long as they are having less sex and exiting the sexual market, the better for the older guys with disposable income and their shit together. This is the way it has been for millenia, and is not unfair, life is just like that, as the abundance bubble of the 2oth century is finally over.

Post: #91

(04-05-2019 12:00 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Someone asks how it's going in Europe.

In France it's pretty hard to find statistics concerning sex, but according to this source the number of sexual rapports per month is 8.7, and is the same for men and women.

https://sante-medecine.journaldesfemmes....atistiques

My gut instinct is to scream bullshit, but after 5 years here I think I know better. It's a different scene in France and in Europe generally, they have a lot more open attitude regarding sex in the sense that it is not such a big deal. In Paris you either feel like everybody is getting laid or nobody is getting laid at all. The French men in Paris however behave in a very girly and bitchy way, and that kinda works. In WIA's word, chicks reward you for behaving like a hot chick, and the guys here are very good at snide comments, backstabbing and rumor mongering.

European also travels A LOT more than Americans, and that solves a lot of problem regarding sex.

Seriously though, the most obvious solution for most American guys is to simply pick up a passport.

The "Americans" don't travel myth.

Easy to say when you live 2 hours from Eastern Europe and get 6 weeks vacation.

This might have been true 20-30 years ago but it is not today.

It's important to understand, that in the past, not all countries in North America required Americans to have passports. When I was a child, I went to Cayman Islands, Bermuda, Bahamas, and Canada before I ever had a passport.

According to recent travel statistics, more Americans are traveling to Europe than vice versa. The European Union has 200 million more people.

https://travel.trade.gov/view/m-2017-O-001/index.html
https://travel.trade.gov/view/m-2017-I-001/index.asp

Post: #92

Post: #93

This isn't at all surprising. I've noticed, anecdotally, that young women's minds have been absolutely poisoned when it comes to men, dating, and relationships. And while it's easy to point the finger at feminism, the syndrome I'm describing affects literally all single young women I've ever encountered, feminist or anti-feminist, cunt or good human being. I've never once come across a counterexample. Correct me if you've seen any exceptions, but in my experience, all single women below age 35 share these three traits:

1. Utter lack of desire or urgency to be with a man. I have a habit of, every now and then, social media stalking my exes, girls I'd dated briefly, and girls I'd gone out with once or twice and was interested in, to see what they're up to. Yeah yeah yeah it's not healthy or whatever, sue me. Anyway, what I find the vast majority of the time is that months or even years after my time with the girl is up, there's no sign of a man anywhere on her social media. It's funny because we tend to project our habits onto women and assume we get rejected because another guy came along that she liked better. But the reality is, usually you're not losing out to another guy, you're losing out to... no one. Her 'better deal' isn't a more attractive man, it's singledom. I know a girl in her 20's who literally has never been with a man in her entire life. She's cute and pleasant. But her attitude about men is more or less "meh, I'm happy as is." Can you imagine a desirable man choosing to forego pussy his entire life because it's just not important to him?

Do you ever hear a woman verbally express urgency about finding a man? On the other hand, how often do you hear late 20's women, past their peak and on the precipice of their looks fading, talk about how much they want to live abroad for a couple years or something equally antithetical to settling down with a man?

Aside from anecdotes: We all know Tinder has absurd M:F ratios, but did you know that the relationship oriented dating sites are not much better? It's not just that men try harder to get sex; men this day in age are also trying much harder to find love.

2. Extreme, unreasonable pickiness. I won't get into hypergamy because it's already so heavily discussed, but there's also another dimension to women's pickiness: demanding an exact image match. If you meet girls on swiping apps, ask them about their experience, and I guarantee they'll happily admit that they snap reject 99% of the guys on there. And how often do you hear girls express ridiculous, totally unnecessary requirements for any guy they'd consider? (e.g. Must be a dog person, must be a cat person, must be a feminist, must be a conservative, must be a Christian, must be an atheist, must be older than me, must not be more than a couple years older than me, must be at least 6' tall, must love trying ethnic foods... the list could go on forever.)

3. Extreme hostility toward, and over-criticalness of men who are interested in them. Pro-tip: If you're ever chatting with a girl and struggling to find a topic she's interested in, change the subject to "weirdos" who try to get with her. Without fail, her passions will suddenly be awoken as she giddily disparages the "nice" but "weird" guys in her social circle who are trying to get in her pants, along with the "creeps" who open her on the street, try to dance with her at the bar, and message her on dating apps. Often she'll criticize a half-decent opener some guy used on her as though it was criminally bad, even though you and her both know she wouldn't do any better if she was tasked with starting conversations with the opposite sex. I don't think I've ever met a girl who didn't believe that the men who wanted her were all losers who were way beneath her.

These three go hand-in-hand. 2 and 3 are the result of 1. The conclusion is inescapable, and I'm far from the first person on here to state it: The safety, security, and prosperity of modern western society has all but eliminated women's need for a man.

Post: #94

The Red Man Group discussed this issue today.





I agree totally about the unreasonable pickiness. I have especially noticed this with tall women. I'm 5-10 myself, so I am hardly short myself. Lots of tall women go on dating sites looking for that guy who is taller and then cry when they don't find him.

A lot of women in their late 20's and older are single because they deserve to be single.

And as Rollo just pointed out on RMG today, women would rather work "soul-destroying jobs" than be with "beta men." Rollo also pointed out that "women would rather share an alpha" have a "loyal beta."

Post: #95

(04-06-2019 02:07 PM)Delta Wrote:  This isn't at all surprising. I've noticed, anecdotally, that young women's minds have been absolutely poisoned when it comes to men, dating, and relationships. And while it's easy to point the finger at feminism, the syndrome I'm describing affects literally all single young women I've ever encountered, feminist or anti-feminist, cunt or good human being. I've never once come across a counterexample. Correct me if you've seen any exceptions, but in my experience, all single women below age 35 share these three traits:

[b]1. Utter lack of desire or urgency to be with a man. I have a habit of, every now and then, social media stalking my exes, girls I'd dated briefly, and girls I'd gone out with once or twice and was interested in, to see what they're up to. Yeah yeah yeah it's not healthy or whatever, sue me. Anyway, what I find the vast majority of the time is that months or even years after my time with the girl is up, there's no sign of a man anywhere on her social media. It's funny because we tend to project our habits onto women and assume we get rejected because another guy came along that she liked better. But the reality is, usually you're not losing out to another guy, you're losing out to... no one. Her 'better deal' isn't a more attractive man, it's singledom. I know a girl in her 20's who literally has never been with a man in her entire life. She's cute and pleasant. But her attitude about men is more or less "meh, I'm happy as is." Can you imagine a desirable man choosing to forego pussy his entire life because it's just not important to him?
[/b]
Do you ever hear a woman verbally express urgency about finding a man? On the other hand, how often do you hear late 20's women, past their peak and on the precipice of their looks fading, talk about how much they want to live abroad for a couple years or something equally antithetical to settling down with a man?

Aside from anecdotes: We all know Tinder has absurd M:F ratios, but did you know that the relationship oriented dating sites are not much better? It's not just that men try harder to get sex; men this day in age are also trying much harder to find love.

2. Extreme, unreasonable pickiness. I won't get into hypergamy because it's already so heavily discussed, but there's also another dimension to women's pickiness: demanding an exact image match. If you meet girls on swiping apps, ask them about their experience, and I guarantee they'll happily admit that they snap reject 99% of the guys on there. And how often do you hear girls express ridiculous, totally unnecessary requirements for any guy they'd consider? (e.g. Must be a dog person, must be a cat person, must be a feminist, must be a conservative, must be a Christian, must be an atheist, must be older than me, must not be more than a couple years older than me, must be at least 6' tall, must love trying ethnic foods... the list could go on forever.)

3. Extreme hostility toward, and over-criticalness of men who are interested in them. Pro-tip: If you're ever chatting with a girl and struggling to find a topic she's interested in, change the subject to "weirdos" who try to get with her. Without fail, her passions will suddenly be awoken as she giddily disparages the "nice" but "weird" guys in her social circle who are trying to get in her pants, along with the "creeps" who open her on the street, try to dance with her at the bar, and message her on dating apps. Often she'll criticize a half-decent opener some guy used on her as though it was criminally bad, even though you and her both know she wouldn't do any better if she was tasked with starting conversations with the opposite sex. I don't think I've ever met a girl who didn't believe that the men who wanted her were all losers who were way beneath her.

These three go hand-in-hand. 2 and 3 are the result of 1. The conclusion is inescapable, and I'm far from the first person on here to state it: The safety, security, and prosperity of modern western society has all but eliminated women's need for a man.

Delta's first point is a very important one that hits the nail on the head. It needs to be discussed. Not just here, but in the alternative media like Tucker Carlson, Taki's Mag, etc.

Back in the old days, girls were considered outcasts if they didn't have a boyfriend early on. Nowadays, I see what Delta has seen: Girls make it into their late twenties and still have a pack of "gal pals" as if they were permanent middle schoolers.

Is this another facet of the extension of childhood into adulthood?

Whatever the case, THIS is why you see men in their twenties not having sex in the graphs few posts back. Most sex happens in relationships. In the old days, there was a basic exchange: The woman got all the benefits of the having a boyfriend, while the boyfriend got sex.

I think the reasons for this are obvious. The massive push to get girls into college/careers so as not to "need" men. Helicopter parenting. Smart phones that allow for 24/7 supervision by mom and dad.

But keep in mind that women's lack of extroverted sexual desire is not a new thing. Sexual desire was never the driving force for most women.

Biologically speaking, women do not have the sex drive of men and never did. It always took men to bring out that desire, and the way they usually did it was with romance within the context of relationships.

Remove the relationship and you remove the sex for the majority of men.

Post: #96

I have a friend who is in his 50's now. I am in my mid 20 to late 20's. He mentions how it was much easier to get women in bed, simply because there were no smartphones. People actually went to the pub and socialized. He had successfully approached countless girls who just gave me a smile. Hell, I even remember doing that myself up to the year 2013. Things changed considerably since the mass adaptation of smartphones, social media, and online dating apps. The technological changes, combined with the changes in females attitudes, are strongly reducing the chances of a guy to score outside of his social circle.

My attitude is positive by nature: I do not, however, see any good future for human kind. The average guy now, has no reason to be a a functioning part of society, and not everyone can be Doctors or Engineers. I see a western world collapsing into itself. And honestly, we need a fucking reset.

Post: #97

Every now and then I run into a discussion on a study like this and guys talk about how much the market is fucked. I read a few things on this thread that need to be addressed though because I think it is a bunch of nonsense.

1. The older guy and hot young girl thing is not as common as you think, most young attractive women in the western world are hooking up with younger guys, often exclusively.

You might see those hipster Millennial guys with a beard as pussies but a lot of attractive young women dig that. Most younger women who are well to do or come from well-off families are usually dating younger guys around their age and almost exclusively hooking up with them. In fact, majority of the times these girls would not want anything to do with an older guy and get creeped out when one approaches them. Decent looking younger guys who are socially adjusted are able to get girls around their age, usually through social circle game. Good looking younger guys have their options with younger good looking women as well and will always win out over older guys.

Now this is not to say that a guy above 30 can't get a hot 22 year old, there are hot young women who are open to dating older men. Most of the times though, I find that she is usually not doing well financially or more of an outcast socially compared to the 22 year old hottie with a big social circle who cares about her reputation. The vast majority of good looking younger women I have known have dated or exclusively been with guys around their age.

2. The kinds of Americans who were having sex at a young age decades ago are still having sex in this day and age, Chad and Stacy are still fucking!

The upper middle class spoiled white kids who were fucking in college are still fucking now. One other explanation for the statistics could be due to the fact that we are getting more immigrants from repressed cultures, a white guy from a laid back family is going to have a way different experience than some Asian immigrant with helicopter parents. The people who were fucking and getting laid decades ago are doing the same now, you just have others from more repressed cultures who are not as big on hookup culture and are more focused on building a family life or a nice future for themselves. That skews the statistics a little bit.

There is no sky falling men going extinct nonsense, the guys who have done fine are doing fine. Most socially aware guys are on social media and are assimilated with modern times, it is the guys who are more social outcasts (which I was for a while myself) that are struggling but that's their fault.

3. It is actually real fucking easy to get laid these days with decent looking women, even through online dating.

I use high quality pics done by an editorial photgrapher (thank you BlurredSevens for the suggestion and posting the best thread ever on here), every week I have a date lined up and it does help that I live in a world class city. I am also a minority so to hell with the whole "only white guys can get laid on online dating" nonsense. Maybe it is because I am in a major city but these days, I feel like getting laid is rarely as much of a concern for me, it is more on developing a social life which is for another story. When it comes to game, I feel spoiled by dating apps, and have to almost force myself to approach a woman because I don't really see as much of a need for it. No settling for fatties on dating apps for me, can get dates with relatively above average looking and fit women every week and quite a few guys I know out there can do the same.

If you are a decent enough looking guy who can present himself well and have an ounce of game, go to a major city and you can fuck a decent looking girl every week. No one says you have to rot yourself away in boring suburbia or flyover country where every other girl is a whale, if it matter so much for you then go get it.

4. Most men in general suck.

Most men are hardcore white knights.

Most men are happy with average.

Most men do not see the need to go after greatness.

Most men do not want the sexually active life, they are happy being shut-ins.

Most men do not want to pour their soul into a life purpose or work hard in life, they want the cozy comfortable lifestyle.

Most men will tear down and scheme to sabotage great men that are doing well in life.

Most men are losers who want to drown in their misery and destroy the men who want to achieve greatness.

For the longest of times, I wanted a "social life" and I wanted guys who I could call "friends", I still do. Yet, whenever men saw me doing well with women and having the success I had, we were not friends anymore as they saw me as the guy who was obsessed with pussy, immoral, or wrong for wanting to sleep around with a lot of women. Most men do not want to push each other to greatness or success, especially not with women.

I have slowly learned that as soon as you go on this sexually active path as a man, be prepared to lose the opportunity of friendship with other men who will usually seethe in envy at your success with women. Most men want you to have your 40 hr a week job, drown yourself in beers as you watch sports, and bitch and moan about how miserable life is. It slowly starts to make sense to me why so many players after a certain age do not have any guy friends, who in their right mind would want to be around those that envy them?

We'd be better off as a society if there were 50% less men around, that's just the honest truth.

Post: #98

(04-06-2019 08:32 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  ...
We'd be better off as a society if there were 50% less men around, that's just the honest truth.

The way matters are progressing. Give it time...

Post: #99

(04-06-2019 08:55 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

(04-06-2019 08:32 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  ...
We'd be better off as a society if there were 50% less men around, that's just the honest truth.

The way matters are progressing. Give it time...

That is how it is supposed to be and was for the longest of times, you don't need the male population to be anywhere close to 50% or even 40% in society. The main reason women can get away with so much in some places is because the high male population drives thirst and thirst is what you see playing out: fatties getting treated like queens, White Knighting, feminism having unparalleled support, and a laundry list of other things. No one wants to be in a nightclub or bar that's a sausagefest, what we have come close to experiencing is society on a larger scale turning into that. It also shows off in the attitude of women as women from cultures where men are in overabundance tend to be narcissists who feel entitled to everything and feel that they deserve special treatment for being women.

Other men are NOT your friends.

I have learned this lesson the hard way most of the times. Even look at the tale of two cities, you are bound to have not just a more pleasant game experience in a city where single women outnumber single men but also a much more pleasant social experience. Other men are not at your throat, the atmosphere is more tame, and you are more likely to get along with people. Even your fellow man starts to slowly get an abundance mentality going and men who are not deprived/thirsty are less likely to harm other men or scheme against other men.

Post: #100

Heh.
From Heartiste :

Quote:Bar Girls Are The New Church Girls

April 5, 2019 by CH

Meeting a girl in a bar is considered quaint in the age of online dating. There’s a nostalgic and even rebellious quality to it now, as if you and her are subverting the dominant digital culture in a desperate act of Philistine defiance.

Bar girls get a bad rap, some of it deserved, most of it not, but the bar girl is elevated in stature compared to the damaged goods that swarm the vast thirst expanse of online dating. Now it’s fair to say that a girl willing to go out to a bar and meet men in person and risk the possible social awkwardness and judgment that entails — when most girls log on to have their id-clits diddled in a sanitized small screen environment under their complete control — is the kind of nonconformist girl who’s demonstrating real depth of character and a willingness to be vulnerable in an age when vulnerability before men is a capital crime.

The bar girl is the new church girl.

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2019/04/...rch-girls/