Post: #201

Many years ago, I would have agreed with your statement. Now I see that the greatest reality is that of the Creationist. All of the current bits of TheNarrative that contradict the existence of God and push things like geologic evolution and biologic evolution are supported by all those Blue Pill perfessors and marxists that Red Pill followers of folks like Roosh detest.

So reality? Reality is that we were created by God.

But I believe that the beginning of this thread was started by our gracious host with the words, ".. atheists can start their own thread".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGairhrPGc&t=706s

(04-01-2019 11:47 AM)Druber Wrote:  So you're having a midlife crisis. Embrace it and enjoy. When it ends, come back to reality please.

Enjoy your happy feelings, though.

Post: #202

(04-01-2019 05:20 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Pascal's wager is an interesting thought experiment though.

You'd have to think God was pretty stupid to believe it would work though.

Post: #203

Here's the perma-link to my interview with E. Michael Jones:

Post: #204

(03-29-2019 03:45 PM)asdfk Wrote:  I believe in God.

However, that many would make the transition from blue>red>black>God does not make any sense.

The blue/red/black-pill are based around denial, embracing or nihilism towards conservative values, which is a belief system. You can deny that believe system and still feel a connection to God, or embrace that belief system and believe in Him.

The "truths" about women and society in the manosphere are Darwinian theories at best, that can be pleasantly replaced with pragmatism when you reach some form of spiritual peace.

I'd be interested to read Roosh what your path was.

As a muslim i can follow this. Sure the more you get older, the more you will get closer to him and follow the rituals and doing your research.
Me or my friends can pray or go to the mosque and on the same night go clubbing date girls. Sins does not make you a disbeliever. Maybe it’s because we were born and grow up (cultural/traditional) religious. Thanks for Roosh for opening this. The messages i have read here about muslims/believers before made me think that RVF-members were all radical atheists.

Post: #205

A forum dedicated to getting your benis into thots is developing a spiritual side. Who woulda thunk...

The aliens aren't really recruiting but you can study their religious texts as well.

Post: #206

(04-01-2019 05:28 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

(04-01-2019 05:20 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Pascal's wager is an interesting thought experiment though.

You'd have to think God was pretty stupid to believe it would work though.

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Post: #207

Looking forward to reading Roosh's account about his experiences with mushrooms.
I know people that have experimented with them and they tell about having extracorporeal experiences that have changed their lives no matter if they are religious or Atheists.
However incredible their accounts about mushrooms are I have never dared to do it -I am really scared of any drug or anything similar to it.

Post: #208

(04-01-2019 05:51 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(04-01-2019 05:28 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

(04-01-2019 05:20 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Pascal's wager is an interesting thought experiment though.

You'd have to think God was pretty stupid to believe it would work though.

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Presumably an omniscient being would be aware of whether or not your belief was genuine.

Post: #209

(04-01-2019 06:12 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

(04-01-2019 05:51 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(04-01-2019 05:28 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

(04-01-2019 05:20 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Pascal's wager is an interesting thought experiment though.

You'd have to think God was pretty stupid to believe it would work though.

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Presumably an omniscient being would be aware of whether or not your belief was genuine.

I think that you completely missed the point. The purpose of Pascal's Wager is not to get-one-over on God, but to awaken an unbeliever's own enlightened self-interest in getting to learn about God by highlighting the pros and cons (benefits versus detriments) of believing in him. The desire to learn about God will then hopefully manifest in true belief. Believe me, you will not get-one-over on God. Jesus himself called the Pharisees a "brood of vipers."

The thought experiment of Pascal's Wager is akin to the biblical admonition that "fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." A healthy fear of God or an enlightened self-interest in the benefits of belief are the first baby steps of a life-long journey of knowledge-seeking that otherwise might not have occurred but for that initial enlightened self-interest. Something needs to prompt that first step. That something can take many forms. It can be Pascal's Wager, fear of the unknown (death), a serious family crisis, watching the beauty of nature, a godly person in your life, etc.

Post: #210

But that can't possibly work. If you don't believe in the first place you can't fear divine retribution. If you were worried enough about going to hell to accept the wager in the first place you must have already believed in it.

Post: #211

(04-01-2019 07:22 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  But that can't possibly work. If you don't believe in the first place you can't fear divine retribution. If you were worried enough about going to hell to accept the wager in the first place you must have already believed in it.

Wondering about, or investigating, anything at all simply requires having an open mind. Even having a closed mind can result in a conversion, if you are willing to go where the evidence leads you. Watch "The Case For Christ," about a radical atheist who launches a two-year quest to prove the Bible wrong after his wife becomes a Christian. He had no intention of becoming a Christian himself. His entire motivation was to prove to his wife that the Bible was wrong. But, as an investigative reporter, he went where the evidence led him.

Quote:Lee Strobel was an atheist -- and sworn enemy of religion -- when his wife became a Christian. Her faith put him on a two-year investigation to prove that her faith was a work of fiction. He never could have predicted how that journey would end and the real life tale is now a major motion picture.

"There were so many reasons why I did not want there to be a God, because I did not want to be held accountable," Strobel said.

Millions read Lee Strobel's The Case for Christ, and now the best-selling book is a movie.

"Leslie became a Christian and Lee thought his world was ending. She dropped a bomb on him, right. He's very much this radical atheist who had no love for the church, no love for Christianity at all and his wife comes home and says 'I'm a Christian now," film writer Brian Bird said.

Strobel even thought about divorcing his wife after she became a Christian.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2017/apr...big-screen

Post: #212

(04-01-2019 06:02 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  Looking forward to reading Roosh's account about his experiences with mushrooms.
I know people that have experimented with them and they tell about having extracorporeal experiences that have changed their lives no matter if they are religious or Atheists.
However incredible their accounts about mushrooms are I have never dared to do it -I am really scared of any drug or anything similar to it.

Luvianka, what is it that you are concerned about? Is it the legal/spiritual/physical risk? I don't want to derail the thread though. We can talk about it over PM.

Post: #213

Alrite. Starting with the gospel of Matthew. So far it seems like the script from a Christmas pageant. Tried to use a strip of condoms as a bookmark and the little lady said that was inappropriate...makes sense.

Post: #214

Closest way to god is to create, after all if god created man in god's image then man himself is god, and must create...

Start small, try music (again)... for entirely non commercial/cred/social reasons. Just for the creation of something that didn't exist and for the flow state... nothing external. No corruption. Perfection.

Post: #215

I don't want to say, "I told you so", but I sensed maybe a year ago (roughly) that Roosh was taking a more moralistic/ spiritual tone to many of the things that he was commenting on in his videos and articles. It's just like he was starting to see things on a different level. Maybe it was the fact that he was saying how degenerate certain parts of society, behavior, culture, and our general outlook on life are in the West now.

I always had roosh pegged as one of those sort of scientific/ problem solver (right brain) guys who looks at all the evidence really logically and makes a judgement call. I guess Roosh trained as a micro-biologist right, before escaping to brighter pastures? Essentially he found a slice of paradise for a time before finding that the degeneracy of the west was negatively and adversely affecting his brighter pastures--I think he said as much recently in an interview on a foreign media program. Rather than taking the black pill, he came to the conclusion, I'm sure with much soul-searching, that there was a better path.

I sensed he was trying to formulate the exact right words, and the right time to say it publicly. So I'm sure it wasn't a light decision. To Roosh, I say: welcome back to your Christian roots--and many of us are already with you on this journey.

As you have caused me to develop as a person in many ways, I look forward to hearing about your spiritual development. You still have a lot of original thought to share with us in the manosphere, who have been following you for years now. (Personally I always thought that much of the manosphere was lacking in hitting on spiritual and the religious sides of existence. I think your development is something we can all learn from, especially because you are coming back to your roots. From examining your writing recently, I can see how important it is to you, and for many of us, as we examine the question of Being. Things can only get better.

p.s. I can't qualify exactly how refreshing it is for us in the manosphere to be getting away from "Is X race white", "Is it (((jews)))", "Trump 2020", "How to bang a Tinder slut" stuff. But it is very refreshing...

Post: #216

(04-01-2019 10:56 PM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  Closest way to god is to create, after all if god created man in god's image then man himself is god, and must create...
Start small, try music (again)... for entirely non commercial/cred/social reasons. Just for the creation of something that didn't exist and for the flow state... nothing external. No corruption. Perfection.

YES. I do believe in the therapeutic quality of flow-state. Tolkien was very devout, for instance, and he saw his work as "subcreation".

Post: #217

I haven't read all 9 pages of this thread, but I wonder if The God Pill has anything to do with the science of achievement versus the art of fulfillment.
Ie people in the west who have been taught achievement is everything, and they have gotten their goals (be it physically, financially/career, or with women/game), and still felt this emptiness and nihilism

I'm in a weird place- I'm 30 years old and I still have a lot that I want to achieve, but I got very introspective in my mid/late 20s and took the God pill- I truly realize that a path of achieving things will make me a better person, but it won't give me long lasting happiness.

I have just had a day game session that went reasonably well, but have come home and felt empty and reasonably low. I am in good shape physically, and have money in the bank (I'm meant to be taking a well earned holiday), but I feel nihilistic and a feeling of dread and fear.

In moments like this, I clutch to the teachings of 3 religions- Buddhism, (Sufi) Islam, and the Bhagavad Gita in Hinduism.

It truly teaches you that life is a test- you have to endure a lot of things, and in bad times focus on the creator.
Also, drop your desires (Buddhism)

I want to grow in my practicing of this philosophy as I get older

I see myself after 45 becoming deeply spiritual, and following these teachings strictly. After that time, I don't want sex to be a big part of my life.

Post: #218

(04-01-2019 10:56 PM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  Closest way to god is to create, after all if god created man in god's image then man himself is god, and must create...

Start small, try music (again)... for entirely non commercial/cred/social reasons. Just for the creation of something that didn't exist and for the flow state... nothing external. No corruption. Perfection.

When man creates the Beautiful, Good and True. He glorifies God. The best and most beautiful architecture are all made to show forth his majesty. For through those works we fulfill part of our purpose as God's Image.

Post: #219

(04-01-2019 07:22 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  But that can't possibly work. If you don't believe in the first place you can't fear divine retribution. If you were worried enough about going to hell to accept the wager in the first place you must have already believed in it.

It seems like Pascal's Wager owes a lot to the context in which it was developed (a largely homogenous Christian society). Today, the next argument the atheist usually puts forth regards "How do you know it's Christianity and not...?"

Just look at this thread for example. There are all kinds of gods being put forth.

Post: #220

Is there an atheist thread and if not should I start one?

Post: #221

Interesting that you refer to God as "Him".

That being said, I view God from the perspective of Advaita Vedanta/panpsychism. God is a creative force/energy with many qualities, which resides in all beings, and possibly all matter, maybe at the subatomic level. Not a person or being. God can also be referred to as universal consciousness. The base level reality from which everything emerged, and which resides in everything,

Post: #222

(04-02-2019 08:26 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Is there an atheist thread and if not should I start one?

Look for the Materialist thread

Post: #223

It is uncommon to experience enduring religious conversion at an advanced age. So I would be interested in hearing of members' experiences. Note just Christianity/Islam/Judaism, but also minority religions like Mormonism or non-western religions like Falun Gong, Taoism, Buddhism, or Hinduism.

In particular, what has changed? Are you attending services with clergy? How has this affected your relationships with women, family, friends, or work/school?

Post: #224

(04-01-2019 07:22 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  But that can't possibly work. If you don't believe in the first place you can't fear divine retribution. If you were worried enough about going to hell to accept the wager in the first place you must have already believed in it.

Agree.

Pascal's wager is about cost/benefit analysis, not truth.

Post: #225

Are there any mormons on the forum? It would be dope to here tales of mormons gaming girls inUtah, or better yet, sneaking out of their apartment while on mission and gaming