Post: #126

I'm 24. I know more will come... I cheated on her, I have a ton of hoes.. buttttttttt

This girl though was truly special to me. I have women i truly care about while the rest are just whores. I am overseas and there's something awesome about falling in love abroad. She really truly had my back and did a lot of incredible things for me. I'm not ready to get married but legitimately I was thinking about bringing her back to the states with me and getting married.

Anyways I'm pretty sure it's over.

I guess I can show up at her house every week but that would be kinda pathetic.

I'm very stoic and even as she was crying I was nearly laughing. It's very easy for me to not show emotion. I wrote her a letter and read it to her and started tearing up. I havent cried in like 4 or 5 years. Its the first time I've ever showed actual emotion with her... She kept telling me to stop because she couldn't handle it. She really thought she wasnt important to me bc im fucking other hoes but now she knows. She wouldn't let me touch her for a good 30 minutes but after that she let me give her a kiss on the cheek. She said she still loves me but will never forgive me.

She's never cheated on me. I told a story on here a while back about her saying some other guy cheated on her and it broke her heart. She told me If I ever do that she will never forgive me and would repeat it over and over again.

Also she found a video of a girl sucking my dick. Just So you guys understand the dynamics of the relationship she said she laughed when she saw the video. How can I have something so wild on my computer she told me. Then she checked the date... I cheated on another girl as well and she told me the same thing this one told me, "I always knew I just chose to ignore it." Be careful playas lol.

I deserve It, there really wasn't anything I could say.

Post: #127

(09-19-2018 03:05 PM)Montrose Wrote:  Since my wife found out that I cheated, our marriage has got way more exciting. She lost 10 pounds, seriously upgraded her BJ game, she became distinctly more feminine and amorous, and she’s always asking for intimacy. Sure, she has some angry phases and she gives me occasional shit tests (which she never did before). Honestly I prefer her new personality.

(09-19-2018 03:46 PM)Zoso Wrote:  ^^^^
Most likely she is cheating on you too..

Zoso, you are totally wrong on this. What Montrose is saying makes a lot of sense for anyone who has seen this stuff play out before.

If you are a high value guy and your woman catches you sleeping around it can often create a situation often called Hysterical Bonding. This is where the woman tries to outcompete the other women he has been seeing.

Hysterical Bonding often happens to men as well when they catch their WAGS banging other guys.

Post: #128

Update.

So I went back to her house and repeatedly told her I'm not leaving before she takes me back. She told me when I left my key she wanted to run outside to give me my key back. She quit her job today because everything hurts.

I told her I need to write a paper so she told me I could stay and finish it. Then she asked me if I was hungry. She keeps telling me she wants to get back together but I will hurt her again. I am taking the advice given on RVF to heart and it's working. The only thing I didn't say was why I did it. I keep telling her i will wait for her and when she comes back i will change. I keep telling her how much i love her. I have a fucking way with words lmao. She keeps asking why but I don't have an answer other than I wanted to bust a nut and she wasn't there. I keep telling her the other hoes don't matter but it's not registering for her. I went in her room and sat on the floor and she's telling me to come to the bed and telling me I can take a shower as we speak. This has been a turn of events.

One other interesting development is she read everything on my computer. I don't even know wtf I have on here so it pisses me off. She ended up saying it's her fault and she doesn't blame me, she read all the texts and the girls are extremely thirsty here in this country. She said she never wanted to become this girl that reads through peoples stuff. I checked the history and the girl even tried to get into my fucking whatsapp god damnit. She is a fucking sleuth... can't blame her though.

TLDR: I think we're getting somewhere.

Post: #129

After reading a lot of material from here, id say that i can enjoy banging on the side while i am with my current mini ltr.

But.. How do you hold the fact that your current partner could be cheating on you as well as you do?

It's the only thing that makes me sick about cheating. I got jealous.

Hámster? Maybe it's not actually my thing?

Post: #130

I've thought about this question and reflected on my past experiences and those of others and have come to the following conclusion:

If you feel bad about cheating at any point before going through with it, it's probably a situation that you shouldn't get involved in.

If you don't feel bad about it, there is usually a reason... so go right ahead and bang.

Cheating is also a terrible white knight term in the current year.

Post: #131

I was faithful through my 5-year marriage and all I got for it was a pile of divorce papers thrust at me.
Today, I don't put my sexual happiness in the hands of any one female. Take it where you can get it.
I "cheat" when I feel like it, which is somewhat often. It doesn't bother me in the least.
People change. I've changed.
Also, it's probably harder to cheat if your main girl is, like, a dewey-eyed 22-yr-old who's never left her hometown and depends on you for absolutey everything. My current GF is older and independent and has her own job and life and interests. She doesn't depend on me, so who cares.

Post: #132

If you have frame why does it matter?

Post: #133

(05-14-2018 02:19 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  Here, I'll write everything...

- Do you want to be in an open relationship? If yes, tell her. But it's a two way street.
- If you do want an open relationship, great, bang away. But don't get pissed if she does the same.
- You can't be in an open relationship and expect her to be loyal and faithful to you. Is that what you want? What are you trying to accomplish? Are you trying to start a family? Just have fun? It's your life, live it however you want to. I can't answer that.

It comes down to whether you want a girlfriend. If you're banging other girls, she's banging other guys.

Is that what you want? Do you care?

Women always cheat, AWALT (you may not have caught them).
So cheat back, it may not be right, but it evens things up and alleviates your feelings of resentment and jealousy.

Post: #134

(02-09-2019 06:03 PM)Savonarola Wrote:  I was faithful through my 5-year marriage and all I got for it was a pile of divorce papers thrust at me.
Today, I don't put my sexual happiness in the hands of any one female. Take it where you can get it.
I "cheat" when I feel like it, which is somewhat often. It doesn't bother me in the least.
People change. I've changed.
Also, it's probably harder to cheat if your main girl is, like, a dewey-eyed 22-yr-old who's never left her hometown and depends on you for absolutey everything. My current GF is older and independent and has her own job and life and interests. She doesn't depend on me, so who cares.

MeToo, but I was stupidly faithful for 30 years, and didn't catch her cheating because I was always at work earning money to support her.

Post: #135

(02-10-2019 07:44 PM)John Dodds Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 06:03 PM)Savonarola Wrote:  I was faithful through my 5-year marriage and all I got for it was a pile of divorce papers thrust at me.
Today, I don't put my sexual happiness in the hands of any one female. Take it where you can get it.
I "cheat" when I feel like it, which is somewhat often. It doesn't bother me in the least.
People change. I've changed.
Also, it's probably harder to cheat if your main girl is, like, a dewey-eyed 22-yr-old who's never left her hometown and depends on you for absolutey everything. My current GF is older and independent and has her own job and life and interests. She doesn't depend on me, so who cares.

MeToo, but I was stupidly faithful for 30 years, and didn't catch her cheating because I was always at work earning money to support her.

Man that fucking blows. Guys that cheat are often cast as sociopaths but really considering how conscientious we regards to making sure the woman that we love or like never finds out i would say our emotional intelligence is off the charts

Post: #136

(02-10-2019 07:42 PM)John Dodds Wrote:  Women always cheat, AWALT (you may not have caught them).
So cheat back, it may not be right, but it evens things up and alleviates your feelings of resentment and jealousy.

So if you do believe even men can be faithful, don't you think some women can be faithfull as well?

Post: #137

A lot of hamstering in here to justify a lack of moral behavior.

"a woman treated me bad once therefore I don't have to behave with any values for the rest of my life"

"men need to lie, cheat and bang around because we have testicles"

"My woman secretly loves how I lie, cheat, break my marriage oath and fuck young girls behind her back"

Its not about if she finds out, its not about if you get away with it, and its not about a few seconds of pleasure inside a fold of a strangers skin.

Do you not look in the mirror at the guy staring back at you and feel ashamed that you lie, cheat and are dishonest?

Post: #138

(02-11-2019 03:27 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  A lot of hamstering in here to justify a lack of moral behavior.

"a woman treated me bad once therefore I don't have to behave with any values for the rest of my life"

"men need to lie, cheat and bang around because we have testicles"

"My woman secretly loves how I lie, cheat, break my marriage oath and fuck young girls behind her back"

Its not about if she finds out, its not about if you get away with it, and its not about a few seconds of pleasure inside a fold of a strangers skin.

Do you not look in the mirror at the guy staring back at you and feel ashamed that you lie, cheat and are dishonest?

You realize you're on a game thread at RooshVForum, right?
If I could keep a woman as sexually interested in me in the 3rd year of an LTR as she was in the 3rd month, then I would never stray.
But that simply doesn't happen.
If a woman uses great sex to lure me into an LTR -- then once I'm in the LTR starts DENYING me that same sex... then I'm going to fuck other women. To do less is to be a chump.
It's funny how your perspective changes after you realize that women use sex to get male commitment. It's just an exchange, and women view it that way too. It's why so many older women are cool with their husbands having sidepieces. As long as his commitment to her isn't threatened, she's cool with it.

Post: #139

I can't recall the article, but it was written by a fellow red piller (I think) . Basically he said if you're in an LTR and you feel the need/want to cheat, there's no point in being in an LTR. It's a waste of your and her time.

I know it's not a popular opinion on here, but it's straightforward and simple concept. Why be with someone if you're not happy/pulling pussy anyway?

Post: #140

(02-11-2019 03:57 PM)hoosierdaddy Wrote:  I can't recall the article, but it was written by a fellow red piller (I think) . Basically he said if you're in an LTR and you feel the need/want to cheat, there's no point in being in an LTR. It's a waste of your and her time.

I know it's not a popular opinion on here, but it's straightforward and simple concept. Why be with someone if you're not happy/pulling pussy anyway?

I'm no advocating cheating nor no-cheating.
But using the desire of cheating to justify cheating it's like justifying killing your mom just because she punished you and you wanted her to dead and disappear.

Post: #141

(02-11-2019 03:57 PM)hoosierdaddy Wrote:  I know it's not a popular opinion on here, but it's straightforward and simple concept. Why be with someone if you're not happy/pulling pussy anyway?

I'm guessing you've never been in an LTR. Only people who've never been married/shacked up think it's really that simple.

It's NOT that simple.

You can be fairly happy with a woman AND experience declining sexual attraction to her (and her to you). It doesn't mean the relationship isn't good in other areas. And LTRs/marriage are often full of binding things like co-owned automobiles and co-owned houses and co-owned kids that make it damn tough to leave anyways.

Plus, it's often hard to see the line at which you should end the relationship. There's often no objective point of reference.

In these cases, it's better to get a piece on the side and preserve the relationship as a partnership. There's always a chance the sexual attraction could rebound.

Post: #142

Cheating seems beta in a way because it's stating = I have to hide things from you and give you a false illusion for you to stay with me imo.

Of course a good swathe of women can't handle the truth and society has their back so it's often most practical to be deceptive.

It's a tricky balance. I've never truly promised monogamy to a girl though because I feel that if we're the right match we don't need to create artificial boundaries. (Though I admit girls come and go very fast with this mentality I have) I have kept girls around for years too.)

It's more so for me. I don't want to give a girl an excuse to give me drama and key up my car or something stupid.

Post: #143

(02-12-2019 05:08 AM)jacknap Wrote:  Cheating seems beta in a way because it's stating = I have to hide things from you and give you a false illusion for you to stay with me imo.

Of course a good swathe of women can't handle the truth and society has their back so it's often most practical to be deceptive.

It's a tricky balance. I've never truly promised monogamy to a girl though because I feel that if we're the right match we don't need to create artificial boundaries. (Though I admit girls come and go very fast with this mentality I have) I have kept girls around for years too.)

It's more so for me. I don't want to give a girl an excuse to give me drama and key up my car or something stupid.

Cheating is no more beta in the example you've used then telling your boss to dock your pay for taking a 15 minute shit. You don't tell your boss or your best friend everything, why the fuck should you tell your wife. Women can't even handle when a man tells them they need to lose weight and you are advocating we tell them about side pussy? No bueno. 85% of this game is just knowing what a woman can and can't handle.

Post: #144

(02-12-2019 12:06 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 05:08 AM)jacknap Wrote:  Cheating seems beta in a way because it's stating = I have to hide things from you and give you a false illusion for you to stay with me imo.

Of course a good swathe of women can't handle the truth and society has their back so it's often most practical to be deceptive.

It's a tricky balance. I've never truly promised monogamy to a girl though because I feel that if we're the right match we don't need to create artificial boundaries. (Though I admit girls come and go very fast with this mentality I have) I have kept girls around for years too.)

It's more so for me. I don't want to give a girl an excuse to give me drama and key up my car or something stupid.

Cheating is no more beta in the example you've used then telling your boss to dock your pay for taking a 15 minute shit. You don't tell your boss or your best friend everything, why the fuck should you tell your wife. Women can't even handle when a man tells them they need to lose weight and you are advocating we tell them about side pussy? No bueno. 85% of this game is just knowing what a woman can and can't handle.

I think they can handle it but act like they can't so they can have power over us and most of us chode it out in spades.

Post: #145

(02-11-2019 03:42 PM)Savonarola Wrote:  You realize you're on a game thread at RooshVForum, right?
If I could keep a woman as sexually interested in me in the 3rd year of an LTR as she was in the 3rd month, then I would never stray.

Well learn some game from this game forum :-)

Game is about keeping her interested, making her want to have sex with you.

(02-11-2019 03:42 PM)Savonarola Wrote:  But that simply doesn't happen.

I was in a 17 year marriage, with all the pussy I wanted, and never cheated.

Its more to picking the right woman from the start I think, but game plays a part.

(02-11-2019 03:42 PM)Savonarola Wrote:  If a woman uses great sex to lure me into an LTR -- then once I'm in the LTR starts DENYING me that same sex... then I'm going to fuck other women. To do less is to be a chump.

Firstly screen better and don't let a woman trick you, ever.

Secondly, if she turn the sex tap off, she has lost interest in you, so learn better game or dump her and get another woman.

There's no need to compromise your integrity and values just to get pussy.

It's not worth it.


If you don't want to be monogamous, then be up front, tell her you want an open relationship and bang side pussy and keep your values in tact.

Like I said, stop hamstering scummy behavior away.

Post: #146

(02-12-2019 04:04 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  Firstly screen better and don't let a woman trick you, ever.

Secondly, if she turn the sex tap off, she has lost interest in you, so learn better game or dump her and get another woman.

True... If my current chick is negotiating pussy, she doesn't like me too much or I'm needing more game.

Post: #147

(01-17-2019 03:15 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  Zoso, you are totally wrong on this. What Montrose is saying makes a lot of sense for anyone who has seen this stuff play out before.

If you are a high value guy and your woman catches you sleeping around it can often create a situation often called Hysterical Bonding. This is where the woman tries to outcompete the other women he has been seeing.

Hysterical Bonding often happens to men as well when they catch their WAGS banging other guys.

Hysterical Bonding? First time I see this.

I'm not sure if I'd get Hysterical bonding if I catch my gf fukn other guys. Would you do that?

Post: #148

(02-12-2019 04:04 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 03:42 PM)Savonarola Wrote:  You realize you're on a game thread at RooshVForum, right?
If I could keep a woman as sexually interested in me in the 3rd year of an LTR as she was in the 3rd month, then I would never stray.

Well learn some game from this game forum :-)

Game is about keeping her interested, making her want to have sex with you.

(02-11-2019 03:42 PM)Savonarola Wrote:  But that simply doesn't happen.

I was in a 17 year marriage, with all the pussy I wanted, and never cheated.

Its more to picking the right woman from the start I think, but game plays a part.

(02-11-2019 03:42 PM)Savonarola Wrote:  If a woman uses great sex to lure me into an LTR -- then once I'm in the LTR starts DENYING me that same sex... then I'm going to fuck other women. To do less is to be a chump.

Firstly screen better and don't let a woman trick you, ever.

Secondly, if she turn the sex tap off, she has lost interest in you, so learn better game or dump her and get another woman.

There's no need to compromise your integrity and values just to get pussy.

It's not worth it.


If you don't want to be monogamous, then be up front, tell her you want an open relationship and bang side pussy and keep your values in tact.

Like I said, stop hamstering scummy behavior away.

So you've made it pretty far without learning the most basic fact of life -- that marriage is almost always accompanied by reduced amount of sex. This is an eternal truth. It's been the same way since the dawn of marriage.

A basic reading of evo psych will teach you that humans are not strictly monogamous. Neither are we polygamous. We're in between, depending on a host of different factors.

You can acknowledge this. Or you can keep slinging the tradcon bullshit of "harumph harumph men these days don't know how to be moral".

Post: #149

Such a tough call. I put in all this effort to be a fucking champ and do well with women to just get one and call it a day at that? I have a great girl, some would say "wife material," even though some would also say "AWALT, she's probably cheating on you" I have a lot of reasons to believe this is not the case. I'm relatively young and wasn't even trying to get into an LTR but a solid plate turned into my gf and that's that for now. I've been a dog and had some really close calls with getting caught but she is a pure-hearted good person, not some cold hardened slut so I actually felt some real guilt when the shit went down. Since then I said I wasn't going to fool around anymore but literally in the last 24 hours two girls I've fucked in the past have slid into my DM's on instagram...All things considered it's better than being an incel I suppose

Post: #150

(02-12-2019 12:13 AM)Savonarola Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 03:57 PM)hoosierdaddy Wrote:  I know it's not a popular opinion on here, but it's straightforward and simple concept. Why be with someone if you're not happy/pulling pussy anyway?

I'm guessing you've never been in an LTR. Only people who've never been married/shacked up think it's really that simple.

It's NOT that simple.

You can be fairly happy with a woman AND experience declining sexual attraction to her (and her to you). It doesn't mean the relationship isn't good in other areas. And LTRs/marriage are often full of binding things like co-owned automobiles and co-owned houses and co-owned kids that make it damn tough to leave anyways.

Plus, it's often hard to see the line at which you should end the relationship. There's often no objective point of reference.

In these cases, it's better to get a piece on the side and preserve the relationship as a partnership. There's always a chance the sexual attraction could rebound.

Bull Utter crap. Cheating says you are not some who can be trusted to honor your word.

And I have been married. If I discover a dude who is a friend is a serial cheater I dump them as a friend. If you can't keep your word to the woman you supposedly love how the fuck can I trust you to keep your word with me!