Post: #151

(01-16-2019 10:34 AM)Ruslan Wrote:  

(01-16-2019 07:43 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  while they never mention an 'inversion agenda' per se, I think this video documents and explains the same phenomenon very well: how the 'occult' is not so occult anymore, but it's so increasingly in your face - and people just eat it up. the connection here is, in my view, that all these practices, ideologies and symbols are an inversion of the moral good and the Christian ideal.





the scary part is they are not hiding it anymore. it's in full swing now. and most people don't realize what they are exposing themselves to.

Just went on to the forum to look for a thread to post what I just watched (the vid below). Quite of a coincidence finding your post. Watching the vid my jaws were dropped the entire time. I saw many vids from concerts etc. with occult agenda but this is so disgusting and straight it gave me a strong feeling of discomfort, almost to the point of "I do not want to believe it is true".

The thing is from Lithuania. I did not even took the time to investigate the "who,why,when" as I think it is irrevelant. See for yourself.

Notice at 2:20 how there is almost no reaction for words "Jesus is alive".

wtf man. I couldn't get to the end. it doesn't surprise me anymore. the sheer apathy of those people when presented with clear satanic shit is almost unbelievable. and people say eastern europe is not lost just because they don't let muslims in.

Post: #152

Remember when Marilyn Manson was considered satanic?

He's like Pee-Wee Herman now compared to this shit.

Post: #153

That video was scary. The rituals shown in eyes wide shot were a few magnitudes classier than this.

Post: #154

(01-16-2019 10:34 AM)Ruslan Wrote:  

(01-16-2019 07:43 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  while they never mention an 'inversion agenda' per se, I think this video documents and explains the same phenomenon very well: how the 'occult' is not so occult anymore, but it's so increasingly in your face - and people just eat it up. the connection here is, in my view, that all these practices, ideologies and symbols are an inversion of the moral good and the Christian ideal.





the scary part is they are not hiding it anymore. it's in full swing now. and most people don't realize what they are exposing themselves to.

Just went on to the forum to look for a thread to post what I just watched (the vid below). Quite of a coincidence finding your post. Watching the vid my jaws were dropped the entire time. I saw many vids from concerts etc. with occult agenda but this is so disgusting and straight it gave me a strong feeling of discomfort, almost to the point of "I do not want to believe it is true".

The thing is from Lithuania. I did not even took the time to investigate the "who,why,when" as I think it is irrevelant. See for yourself.

Notice at 2:20 how there is almost no reaction for words "Jesus is alive".

wtf is this shit.... im not even shocked at the said video , it is disturbing but logically it is satanic....

the sad thing is that the entire crowd is white and seems to enjoy the show...
so even if you relocate there your kids will end up watching this.

Post: #155

Yesterday in another thread I wrote on Ijtihad, a practice of Islamic jurisprudence.

/thread-71967...pid1923460

Curiously enough, the Wikipedia article now claims that the gate of ijtihad is not actually closed anymore.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ijtihad

In the modern era, this gave rise to a perception among Western scholars and lay Muslim public that the so-called "gate of ijtihad" was closed at the start of the classical era.[1] While recent scholarship has disproved this notion, the extent and mechanisms of legal change in the post-formative period remain a subject of debate.[4]

Everything seems to have changed between the footnote 1 and the footnote 4, namely between 2009 and 2015. And where does this knowledge come from? The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Islamic World and The Oxford Handbook of Islamic Law.
No wonder Muslims consider Western orientalists to be subverters of Islam.

(1) Rabb, Intisar A. (2009). "Ijtihād". In John L. Esposito. The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Islamic World. Oxford: Oxford University Press.


(4) Marion Katz (2015). "The Age of Development and Continuity, 12th–15th Centuries CE". The Oxford Handbook of Islamic Law. Oxford University Press.

Post: #156

(11-30-2018 10:20 PM)MajorStyles Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 09:03 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  Fascinating reading. Understand how what we think of as 'The Right' doesn't see the entire picture when it comes to Jewry:

Reading through Julian the Apostate, we realize that the very birth of Christianity is part of this distorted picture - the early Christians choosing to springboard off the Old Testament and, thus, preference the Jew. By doing so, they consciously obscured the more dominant and accomplished empires of the day: Greek, Roman, etc.

From Against the Galileans:

"Why were you [Christians] so ungrateful to our gods as to desert them for the Jews?"

“…point out to me among the Hebrews a single general like Alexander or Caesar! You have no such man.”

“What kind of healing art has ever appeared among the Hebrews, like that of Hippocrates among the Hellenes, and of certain other schools that came after him?”

This is interesting to me personally, though I'm no scholar. I grew up Catholic (now non-practicing). But I always felt something was off/missing when I attended church on Sundays with the family. If you read the New Testament or go to mass, it's pretty much all about the birth, life, and death of Jesus Christ with lots of references to Judaism (Old Testament), obviously. However, historically, I always felt that Christianity played a big role in the shaping of Western Civilization (see Vox Day's recent videos: Part I, Part II). If you just read the New Testament, you'll have a hard time figuring out how that gave us what we got since then. And then I remembered, after reading those quotes above, that we did eventually become heavily influenced by Greek and Roman philosophy, art, and sciences thanks to Constantine who became the first Roman Emperor to convert to Christianity. His version of Christianity became a political/spiritual unifying force across Europe that became the foundation of the "Roman Catholic" church. Which makes me think... while Jesus may not have a problem with Pope Francis, I'm sure Emperor Constantine would.

Post: #157

(11-28-2018 01:13 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  At risk of outing my actual background, here's an exercise I suggest everyone interested in the topic undertake.

I want you to 1) Write down five to ten brands you associate with SJW-ism It doesn't particularly matter what the brands are or what product they offer. They just need to be global brands that have pushed leftism in aggressive ways. 2) Identify each brand's parent company. If they aren't publicly traded scratch them off your list. 3) Go to Yahoo Finance's Symbol Lookup. For each parent company, punch in their name and ticker. Once you do that navigate over to the "Shareholder information" tab for each company. 4) Write down the top 3 shareholders for each company on your sheet

Notice I'm NOT giving you any specific criteria for what companies to pick. It literally doesn't matter because out of the universe of large-cap, global corporations almost any 5-10 will be fully promoting the globo-homo agenda. I'm also extremely confident that the results of this exercise will be largely the same for any sample of 5-10. Technically you need 25 samples for a statistically valid, 90% 1-tailed confidence interval but the variation between results is so low that as few as five or so samples is virtually guaranteed to give you the same result I get.

If you're intrigued by what you see, the next step is to start looking up the ownership structure of those entities. The entire structure has evolved into an extremely complicated maze relative to feudalism but if you keep following the money, equity ownership ultimately ties into the same group of people.

(12-04-2018 10:02 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I believe there is a connected group of less than 1000 men (probably closer to 100) that own most of the world's Fortune 500 companies, and are using those companies not to make more money, but to control humanity. This is the most plausible explanation for why corporations across vastly different sectors can have identical agendas that appear at identical times.

Article today: The wealthiest 0.1% and 1% of households now own about 17% and 50% of total stocks held by American households. [Yahoo Finance]

Post: #158

Ok, I finally got through reading this entire thread. I thought the "Inversion Agenda" was about Greed, Power, and People/Population Control.. manipulating people and institutions for their aims of a new world order with strings being pulled by the few. But, apparently, it has more do with religion and demons.

While I do think there's "Evil" in the world, I don't think Satan or anything demonic is driving the bus -- but that's just my opinion. If this were true, wouldn't there be an observable Godly or angelic counter force fighting back, countering their actions and undermining their plans, instead of being MIA?

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." -Seneca

Post: #159

Via Heartiste's post, "The Horror Show Known As Trannyfreakism":

Quote:January 30, 2019 by CH

There was a show on TeeVee about a child getting a sex change operation, with the full support of parents and doctors, all of whom indoctrinated by the satanic “love wins” zeitgeist.

I’ll put the entire Twatter thread here. Read it, recoil at the horrors revealed, and realize we are much further down the path of culture death than you imagined.

(thread) on what happened on TV last night. The first recorded "celebrity" sex change and its horrific aftermath. Republican twitter may be upset about the governor of VA today. But this is happening all over the country and we need to talk about it pic.twitter.com/ZxdbsmPudr
— wyatt (@wyattbased) January 30, 2019

Excerpts:

Context. This person has been suffering under this fake ideology since a child. Was put on drugs. And didnt have enough “meat” to make a “normal” sex change happen. So they did experimental surgery. The childs first exclamation is how “deep” its vagina is
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The surgeries are BRUTAL. Plastic surgeons do these but the reality is its mutilation. Its moving parts of the body to where they do not belong to create something that isnt real or functional. Complications are nightmarish and end in suicides often.
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The strain it puts on a family unit is intense. Even if a father consents to it or “believes” in the ideology his whole life. Its is not normal and in this case both the father and the grandparents flee the scene despite knowing complications could occur.
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And just 36 hours later disaster strikes. Because this is not a normal surgery. Complications are often NORMAL. You are cutting off skin and re-attaching it other places. In this case , loss of bloodflow would cause necrosis. Skin death
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The doctor knew ahead of time there would likely be complications. This isnt okay because a doctors job is to do no harm. This person is in serious danger of massive infection and cell death. And if they survive , suicide from failed transition/mutilation
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But the ultimate truth is this is the parents fault. The doctors are only complicit. This person was indoctrinated since 7 years old that it was an appropriate life choice and the parents allowed it. Soon the government will step in if you interfere
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Currently nobody is fighting this. The GOP has not fought this. Nobody has. We are marching towards a very sick world and nobody is speaking up. Contact your representatives and educate yourselves. Its going to get worse.
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When a parent is unable to tell their little boy or little girl who they are because of political or even legal consequences. This country will be beyond saving. We have seen how the LGBT mafia operates. But they are now targeting your kids. Pick a side. Pick your child's side

The degeneracy is accelerating. We are exponentially approaching complete social collapse.

Post: #160

(01-19-2019 02:33 PM)Avoy Wrote:  Ok, I finally got through reading this entire thread. I thought the "Inversion Agenda" was about Greed, Power, and People/Population Control.. manipulating people and institutions for their aims of a new world order with strings being pulled by the few. But, apparently, it has more do with religion and demons.

While I do think there's "Evil" in the world, I don't think Satan or anything demonic is driving the bus -- but that's just my opinion. If this were true, wouldn't there be an observable Godly or angelic counter force fighting back, countering their actions and undermining their plans, instead of being MIA?

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." -Seneca

Christians will respond that satan is the 'prince of the air' & once the Apocalypse & Armageddon happen in full. Evil will be destroyed in full.
Time being relative & all, outside of the physical universe.

Post: #161

(02-01-2019 04:02 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

(01-19-2019 02:33 PM)Avoy Wrote:  Ok, I finally got through reading this entire thread. I thought the "Inversion Agenda" was about Greed, Power, and People/Population Control.. manipulating people and institutions for their aims of a new world order with strings being pulled by the few. But, apparently, it has more do with religion and demons.

While I do think there's "Evil" in the world, I don't think Satan or anything demonic is driving the bus -- but that's just my opinion. If this were true, wouldn't there be an observable Godly or angelic counter force fighting back, countering their actions and undermining their plans, instead of being MIA?

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." -Seneca

Christians will respond that satan is the 'prince of the air' & once the Apocalypse & Armageddon happen in full. Evil will be destroyed in full.
Time being relative & all, outside of the physical universe.

I'm not familiar with this "prince of air" phrase, but it's interesting nonetheless -- I can see why it may have been brought up on RVF.

Quote:Ephesians 2: 1-3: And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

I still consider Christians/Catholics our allies against the progressive left/globalists/etc. They may look at things a bit different, but I understand where they come from as I was raised Catholic. I've had my own brush with the devil -- at least I thought so at the time (in my early teens when I was most vulnerable). I'm still a fan of Jesus and the Archangel Michael. Unfortunately, good and evil need to coexist, as much as concepts of right and wrong. One can't exist without the other. Pure evil can no longer be evil if good no longer exists and vice versa.

Post: #162

(02-01-2019 09:20 AM)Avoy Wrote:  Unfortunately, good and evil need to coexist. One can't exist without the other. Pure evil can no longer be evil if no good exists and vice versa.

This is a gnostic view. The Christian view is that Evil has no ontological existence - it's simply the absence of Good, or rebelion against it (Lucifer rebelling against God, Adam and Eve's disobedience, etc). I know you said you are not a Christian anymore, but were raised Catholic, so I'm wondering if this view was taught to you by Catholic priests or something that you got into after that?

I'm asking because I found a lot of Catholic priests now teach a gnostic view, which is insane, but not surprising given the corruption we're seeing in the Church.

Post: #163

(02-01-2019 09:35 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 09:20 AM)Avoy Wrote:  Unfortunately, good and evil need to coexist. One can't exist without the other. Pure evil can no longer be evil if no good exists and vice versa.

This is a gnostic view. The Christian view is that Evil has no ontological existence - it's simply the absence of Good, or rebelion against it (Lucifer rebelling against God, Adam and Eve's disobedience, etc). I know you said you are not a Christian anymore, but were raised Catholic, so I'm wondering if this view was taught to you by Catholic priests or something that you got into after that?

I'm asking because I found a lot of Catholic priests now teach a gnostic view, which is insane, but not surprising given the corruption we're seeing in the Church.

I'm a non-practicing Catholic. Ideas are my own. The last Pope I liked and respected was Pope John Paul II (RIP).

Post: #164

All people are equally evil because whatever we do we only do for selfish reasons. So, while the elites can be our enemies we can't say they are inherintly more evil than ourselves.

Post: #165

(02-01-2019 10:08 AM)Jozi Wrote:  All people are equally evil because whatever we do we only do for selfish reasons. So, while the elites can be our enemies we can't say they are inherintly more evil than ourselves.

While I would agree that all are capable of evil.
Wouldn't necessarily say that most are actively spawning evil for evils sake.

Your average Joe, Jane & Jose simply wants a happy & healthy life for friends & family.
They're not actively attempting to subvert the world like the sinister, swine, sociopathic globalists do.

Post: #166

(02-02-2019 04:25 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:08 AM)Jozi Wrote:  All people are equally evil because whatever we do we only do for selfish reasons. So, while the elites can be our enemies we can't say they are inherintly more evil than ourselves.

While I would agree that all are capable of evil.
Wouldn't necessarily say that most are actively spawning evil for evils sake.

Your average Joe, Jane & Jose simply wants a happy & healthy life for friends & family.
They're not actively attempting to subvert the world like the sinister, swine, sociopathic globalists do.

There are other religious and secular groups who do "evil" things, but they will adamantly disagree with you -- and argue they are on the side of good. What you perceive as evil and wrong is relative to your worldview, beliefs, and culture. Ask a fundamentalist Muslim what he thinks of female genital mutilation or honor killings. Ask a progressive liberal what she thinks of late-term abortion. Ask Nancy Pelosi what she thinks of MS-13 gang members in the country illegally who have killed American citizens. Note: all of these things are Earthly and human specific matters, as well as man-made concepts.

Humans are very self-centered creatures who think the world/universe and God's interest only revolves around them because we were created in his image. Hate to break it to you... if God is the creator, than everything in the infinity of space is made in his image. Even the concept of God is too limited because our brains can't process thoughts beyond what is humanly possible.

This segues nicely into why I say we (as a group) can define "morality" for a better society, if we want to -- just as the progressive left/globalists are currently doing in their vision.

Post: #167

(02-02-2019 06:05 AM)Avoy Wrote:  There are other religious and secular groups who do "evil" things, but they will adamantly disagree with you -- and argue they are on the side of good. What you perceive as evil and wrong is relative to your worldview, beliefs, and culture. Ask a fundamentalist Muslim what he thinks of female genital mutilation or honor killings. Ask a progressive liberal what she thinks of late-term abortion.

I guess it's time for someone to mention kant's categorical imperative ?
Which one can paraphrase as saying that if you are in doubt of whether something is good or not, imagine what would happen if everybody did it.

So, are liberal views on abortion good or not ?
Well if everybody does it, in one generation humanity is over ..

Is islam any good ?
Look at the majority-muslim countries, they are all shitholes with zero exception.

I guess it's just an extreme take on the judge a tree by its fruits : no opinion on the tree itself - it's not relevant anyway, we are adult men and only results matter, not intentions.

So, we don't need to (re-)define morality, our forebears did that for us a long time ago already.

Now of course you'll always find people who argue that ending humanity or degenerating into a shithole is good, well those are the enemies Simple as that.

Post: #168

To your last sentence...

One thing I thought was odd was that the last marvel movie cast a bad guy who believes very literally the exact same thing that many on the left believe: that the population needs to be culled in order to save the earth. It's a point I've challenged on before by saying that if the global warming science is correct it would require killing off much of the population and using the military to deny human access to sensitive ecosystems. Not ONCE have I ever had any one of them either tell me I'm wrong or admit that's where their logic leads. They either disengage from the conversation immediately or say "that sounds a bit extreme" and then leave the conversation once I show them that's what their data says.

Post: #169

(02-02-2019 07:44 AM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  So, we don't need to (re-)define morality, our forebears did that for us a long time ago already.

Now of course you'll always find people who argue that ending humanity or degenerating into a shithole is good, well those are the enemies Simple as that.

I think that Kant categorical imperative argument is flawed, at least in the way you simplified it. I'm sure I can come up with some ludicrous examples. In any case, I'll have a look (thanks). But here's what I don't get. Just because someone in the past laid the groundwork for something, it doesn't mean it was the best or can never be improved on. Seneca said as much: "The men who pioneered the old routes are leaders, not our masters. Truth lies open to everyone."

Morality has gone through many iterations in human history, and will continue to do so. And those folks who see society going through a predictable cycle of decline and are waiting for it to all burn down are just spectators in life, in my opinion. On the other hand, I see opportunity in a post-religious society not tied down to biblical principles. As I said in the other thread, for a political party to align itself to a specific religion is suicide and a self-imposed virtue box.

(02-02-2019 07:51 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  To your last sentence...

One thing I thought was odd was that the last marvel movie cast a bad guy who believes very literally the exact same thing that many on the left believe: that the population needs to be culled in order to save the earth. It's a point I've challenged on before by saying that if the global warming science is correct it would require killing off much of the population and using the military to deny human access to sensitive ecosystems. Not ONCE have I ever had any one of them either tell me I'm wrong or admit that's where their logic leads. They either disengage from the conversation immediately or say "that sounds a bit extreme" and then leave the conversation once I show them that's what their data says.

Because not everyone is capable of analyzing two different, but similar, ideas and weighing their merits. Also, many people are single-minded vs. open-minded.

Post: #170

(02-01-2019 09:20 AM)Avoy Wrote:  Snip

The consequence of free will is that for Good to be True and authentic the possibility of Evil must exist also in the 1st place

Presupposing God exists however Evil will eventually meet its end. Christianity ensures that the agents in question have the atonement to purify themselves in actuality through Gods work as well as clearing away their guilt in God's eyes alongside such work.

Without the necessary atonement however. Everyone with even a hint of corruption will be swept away. No human in existence aside from Christ is absolutely pure.

However the end is that paths once chosen is set upon one's own death and there will be no change in choice afterwards.

There will be Paradise. But who gets to be there depends on that choice.

Post: #171

(02-02-2019 08:01 AM)Avoy Wrote:  

(02-02-2019 07:51 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  To your last sentence...

One thing I thought was odd was that the last marvel movie cast a bad guy who believes very literally the exact same thing that many on the left believe: that the population needs to be culled in order to save the earth. It's a point I've challenged on before by saying that if the global warming science is correct it would require killing off much of the population and using the military to deny human access to sensitive ecosystems. Not ONCE have I ever had any one of them either tell me I'm wrong or admit that's where their logic leads. They either disengage from the conversation immediately or say "that sounds a bit extreme" and then leave the conversation once I show them that's what their data says.

Because not everyone is capable of analyzing two different, but similar, ideas and weighing their merits. Also, many people are single-minded vs. open-minded.

Maybe. The impression I'm getting is that they're aware that's where their beliefs lead and that makes them feel uncomfortable enough that they don't want to keep thinking about it.

Post: #172

(02-02-2019 07:51 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  the exact same thing that many on the left believe: that the population needs to be culled in order to save the earth.

Or course this kind of conversation will get you nowhere with these people.
What is the left ? Basically a union of the people who would not survive in nature.
They are here because we the strong are magnanimous (and a bit stupid).
They are here because we did not cull them.

They parrot this culling argument because they have been brainwashed with it.
They never thought it through, otherwise what is the only logical conclusion they would have come to ?
That they should not be here, but should have perished instead in order to avoid degeneracy of the population.

We always say that the left can't use logic, but we can't really blame them : the whole thing is a survival strategy.
They need to ignore the facts, or accept that they should commit suicide for the greater good, a hard sell indeed.

(02-02-2019 08:01 AM)Avoy Wrote:  Just because someone in the past laid the groundwork for something, it doesn't mean it was the best or can never be improved on.

Of course not, you are free to try and improve on what we have, sure.

The problem is that this is never what you see, it's always in the other direction in fact : every time I see someone trying to redefine something commonly accepted, it's to invite more degeneracy.
This is why I always find these actions very suspicious.
Granted I did not read your thread on morality Maybe there is something good in there, I will do it when I get the time.

But I mean let's be honest here : if you actually want to improve on the classical philosophy you first have to master it.
This alone will last decades and take you through some very deep and arcane stuff.
The unfortunate side-effect is that any discussion of new or improved topics would only make sense between people who are at that level already, not for the general public.

Oh and of course my explanation of kant is just vulgarization, it's not that simple but those really interested can look deeper into it.
It might last a bit longer than just reading a short forum post though ..

Post: #173

Of course. The point to me wasn't trying to persuade them but both to see whether they had thought that far and whether I could egg them on to get them to actually advocate for mass genocide.

Post: #174

Ah well if you're just toying with them .. I find it cruel and don't have the time for it, but they're fair game I suppose.

Post: #175

I Don't either which is why I don't do it much, but I also have a 30 minute commute which mostly takes place on public transit so I've got some time to kill that isn't conducive to doing any real work.

As for cruel well... It's not. It's just testing and probing at their current groupthink that helps me understand the trends in play.