Post: #1

I have a high paying (at least for a single guy) blue collar job, and I make about $150-155K (about $110K US) a year. Other than that, I do not particularly enjoy my job at all. I will unpack that statement, somewhat:

I am not really a people person, but there are a few people I work with regularly who I literally cannot stand (I will not explain all the reasons why, but I will sum up by saying just the sound of their voice makes me roll my eyes and say to myself "WTF am I doing in this fucking shithole?!?" It takes great restraint for me not to call them out on some of their behavior, but I realize that I am the common denominator and should look at myself if I want to change the situation. However, it is still difficult to take endlessly.

I live in what I would consider a less than ideal location (250,000 population). I am not from here, I moved for the job because I thought it was a good opportunity, but if I lost this job tomorrow or quit, I would be gone.

The job itself is dirty, physical work. I have some other education, but it is really difficult finding work in Canada at the moment, especially for an older white male like myself. I am probably stuck here full time or working seasonal construction (what I did before this job) unfortunately. I know I am lucky to have what I have, and nothing is stopping me from starting an internet business and becoming location independent like some of you, but it is difficult when you have been trained into the master/slave relationship that a blue collar worker has to his overlords.

A good job right now is a gift and a curse. You have to wear a mask everyday (like roosh talks about), and you give up your freedom for more security. My problem is, being single and having no kids, it takes away a lot of the impetus to keep working full-time. Like Roosh V tweeted not too long ago : What is the point of having a full time job if you don't have a family? It's a good question.

I head on forbes that over 70% of the american population hates their jobs, so this must describe most people here.

Anyone else here wanting to change jobs/careers, but they feel stuck indefinitely because of the money and lack of equal or superior options?

Post: #2

Exactly this. My situation is identical, but worse. I've got a wife and kids, so leaving this job is nowhere in the realm of possibility. But I make the bank that I need to live the life that I want to live, and my kids have a killer upbringing. So I suppose that man is born to suffer, as the sparks fly upwards.

Post: #3

Dirty work is good work. The grass ain't always greener on the other side. I wouldn't totally write off your blue collar life. With your work now you produce something that will always be. Something that society needs to be prosperous. Something to step back from and be proud of at the end of the day. You're in tune with your masculine nature. Not so with all these internet hustles which is just a giant circle jerk. You know yourself better, but to go from what you're doing, to being location independent working from a laptop, I could almost guarantee you'll end up bored. It may be fun for a couple years, but ain't sustainable. Especially not mentally. But I agree, if you don't have a family, and can support yourself there's no reason to work full time. If you can work seasonally that's the perfect balance a man could ask for. Or as Cernovich would have called it, it's the perfect "Danger and Play" lifestyle. Take your off-season and hit the road, have some fun with the fruits of your labor that you know you earned. If you're internet business is successful, more power to you. You could even have income when you're not working in you "day" job.

I could be wrong, but it sounds like the main reason you don't enjoy what you're doing now is the people. That can be understandable, but, that's life. There will be those people in every field. Fuck them. You're using your job as a means to an end. Im assuming you're in a trade. You can take your skill set anywhere, so if there are people who you just can no longer tolerate, pack your bags and take your tools with you. Someone else will take you on. And with the money you are making, so long as you are saving, you are definitely not "stuck" anywhere. Especially if you can work seasonally. Hell it's cold in Canada. Go somewhere warm for a few months. Ain't no reason to feel like you're a slave.

Post: #4

What would your ideal job/life look like, and what do you think the positives and negatives of that ideal would be?

Post: #5

One way to manage a situation like this is to live frugally and retire early. This is a pretty good article that might give you some ideas. Good luck.
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/01/1...etirement/

Post: #6

Life is too short to do things you hate every day.

Get out of the scarcity mindset that you wont survive without the job and stop being average

Post: #7

(01-12-2019 01:28 PM)Spectrumwalker Wrote:  Not so with all these internet hustles which is just a giant circle jerk. You know yourself better, but to go from what you're doing, to being location independent working from a laptop, I could almost guarantee you'll end up bored. It may be fun for a couple years, but ain't sustainable. Especially not mentally.

Hits close to home. I have a good influx of Internet gigs and I'm extremely bored with this type of work. Not to mention it has made me more and more antisocial over the years.

Post: #8

(01-12-2019 01:28 PM)Spectrumwalker Wrote:  Im assuming you're in a trade.

Yep. Steamfitter-Pipefitter.

(01-12-2019 01:36 PM)Roosh Wrote:  What would your ideal job/life look like, and what do you think the positives and negatives of that ideal would be?

Good question.

Ideal job would be something similar to what I do now, but maybe in a planning/office type of role. I feel like I could be using my brain more than I am. I enjoy reading and writing and I have a degree (humanities), I just got into a trade because I wanted a job and money (which the humanities don't give you, particularly as a man).

I would be okay doing what I do I guess, I just would like to travel more and live somewhere else in Canada (most people in Canada want to live in one of 2-3 hyper-diverse/expensive cities like Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal, Toronto). I would like to live closer to a larger center where there are more women. Where I live most women either marry their high school sweetheart or move, so the options are not that great. I know everyone says how shitty vancouver or toronto are for dating, but at least the women are there. Maybe eventually be like you and move to EE or similar down the road.

Before I found the red pill, I stupidly thought working hard and making money would lead to happiness and love, but since it has not and I have gotten older, I realize am not big into material things. I like restaurants and travel but I am not into houses and expensive vehicles etc. I live a life of the mind for the most part. Listening to podcasts/youtube like Roosh Hour, reading books, the gym, the internet, coffeeshops, that is what makes me happy in most of my free time. I would like to find an LTR, and I think marriage and kids are good for our civilization, I just haven't met a girl in many years who I could see myself doing that with.

I like having some structure and regularity in my life, I tend to overthink things and when I did contract work all I did was obsess about the next job and work, it was a little unhealthy. I rarely took time to travel, all I did was obsess about working.

Post: #9

(01-12-2019 02:58 PM)Hypugamy Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 01:28 PM)Spectrumwalker Wrote:  Im assuming you're in a trade.

Yep. Steamfitter-Pipefitter.

(01-12-2019 01:36 PM)Roosh Wrote:  What would your ideal job/life look like, and what do you think the positives and negatives of that ideal would be?

Good question.

Ideal job would be something similar to what I do now, but maybe in a planning/office type of role. I feel like I could be using my brain more than I am. I enjoy reading and writing and I have a degree (humanities), I just got into a trade because I wanted a job and money (which the humanities don't give you, particularly as a man).

I would be okay doing what I do I guess, I just would like to travel more and live somewhere else in Canada (most people in Canada want to live in one of 2-3 hyper-diverse/expensive cities like Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal, Toronto). I would like to live closer to a larger center where there are more women. Where I live most women either marry their high school sweetheart or move, so the options are not that great. I know everyone says how shitty vancouver or toronto are for dating, but at least the women are there. Maybe eventually be like you and move to EE or similar down the road.

Before I found the red pill, I stupidly thought working hard and making money would lead to happiness and love, but since it has not and I have gotten older, I realize am not big into material things. I like restaurants and travel but I am not into houses and expensive vehicles etc. I live a life of the mind for the most part. Listening to podcasts/youtube like Roosh Hour, reading books, the gym, the internet, coffeeshops, that is what makes me happy in most of my free time. I would like to find an LTR, and I think marriage and kids are good for our civilization, I just haven't met a girl in many years who I could see myself doing that with.

I like having some structure and regularity in my life, I tend to overthink things and when I did contract work all I did was obsess about the next job and work, it was a little unhealthy. I rarely took time to travel, all I did was obsess about working.

It's fantastic that you at least realize where this feeling sitting in the pit of your stomach is coming from! And by making this much... I assume you've got some $$$ in the Bank, which puts you ahead of 90-95% of people. Your next step... is simply to inform yourself & what you want to do next. By not being a people person... yet being able to tolerate you're current toxic environment... maybe starting your own biz down the line is for you. Until you figure it out... I strongly suggest you read some thread started by WeekendCasanova on the Forum. Just by reading them... you might get a better picture of where you want to go next... I know I did!

Post: #10

Are you a union or non-union pipefitter?

Post: #11

Golden handcuffs are the ultimate in comfort.

So, you aren't generally growing, but you've landed in a position that is super comfortable, you can easily live at, and you have all your needs met. It's kinda like living at home with your parents - shits not bad, but it could always be better.

I can't attest to this as I don't have golden handcuffs, but it is very common with trades guys, because the money is nothing to sneeze at, but you have a location dependent job, and you only get your 2 weeks vacation or whatever per year. For some, this is awesome - you have a family, your kids are in school etc. etc. For others, this is a slow prison sentence.

90k a year and have to live in a D grade city? No thanks.

I think that some of the guys on here have it right - work 6 months on and travel the rest of the year. If you can swing that, then that should probably be your goal.

Read the 4 hour work week - it has some advice for remote working if this is at all possible. Cite the studies that show people that work remotely are more productive, and actually be more productive than you are when you are physically present, and you might be able to swing this as well.

Post: #12

Quote: I feel like I could be using my brain more than I am. I enjoy reading and writing and I have a degree (humanities), I just got into a trade because I wanted a job and money (which the humanities don't give you, particularly as a man).

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I live a life of the mind for the most part. Listening to podcasts/youtube like Roosh Hour, reading books, the gym, the internet, coffeeshops, that is what makes me happy in most of my free time. I would like to find an LTR, and I think marriage and kids are good for our civilization, I just haven't met a girl in many years who I could see myself doing that with.

I like having some structure and regularity in my life, I tend to overthink things and when I did contract work all I did was obsess about the next job and work, it was a little unhealthy. I rarely took time to travel, all I did was obsess about working.

Man I'm like you in a lot of ways. I saw in another thread you said you're nearing a net worth of one million, so I'd say you're damn near the finish line anyways. Reach that milestone then take a step back, maybe quit working for a bit and go somewhere warm. You could even go back to school since the expense would be negligible at your net worth and then land a job in a 1st tier city to transition into the lifestyle you want.

I'm also a non-stem degree holder in the Alberta blue collar grind. Not saying that's a bad thing, I'm damn lucky to be where I'm at now. I don't even know if I could function in an office/white collar setting at this point lol. Just that in the back of my mind I always feel like I'm supposed to be out there trying to find a career that 'validates' having my education. So many times out in the freezing cold thinking 'I don't even have to fucking be here right now.'

Thing with me is now I do have a seasonal union job that's in-town and now have all the time in the world and I'm in decision paralysis. I'm torn between fucking off somewhere for a bit or going back to my old employer (whose been begging me to come back) in the interim and stacking even more cash. I could set myself up pretty nicely splitting time between a summer and winter job making bank. My own fault if I decide to go do that then bitch about it after. Or I could just work the union job and take the seasonal time off to do whatever I want. I'm just not particularly 'passionate' about the work nor saw myself doing any of this ten years ago.

But grass may not be greener on the other side either. Decision paralysis.

Post: #13

I guess the way to escape this drudgery is to parley that income into other income producing assets that require you to not be present.

Maybe invest in real estate in a tier 1 or 2 city in a warm climate and then have a full service property management firm take care of everything else.

That way the handcuffs loosen slowly over time and then come off completely.

Post: #14

(01-12-2019 01:36 PM)Roosh Wrote:  What would your ideal job/life look like, and what do you think the positives and negatives of that ideal would be?

If I had to point out one main issue holding me back in life, it's my inability to answer this question.

Post: #15

(01-12-2019 01:49 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  Life is too short to do things you hate every day.

Get out of the scarcity mindset that you wont survive without the job and stop being average

Cosigned.

Don't use the excuse of being older. Lots of older White dudes reinvent themselves down the line. If you've capped out at $115k a year and you've been saving I imagine you have a nice little cushion to fall back on.

Why not use the next year to save, cut expenses and really start investing all your free-time into something you like to do?

Once that year is up put in your resignation letter and move on.

Another idea is to see if you can do the job on a part-time basis so you have more time to work on shit you like to do.

I understand that you have to be "realistic" at some level but try to make the system work for you and not against you.

Whether or not you do anything the days and years will pass and you'll either be stuck where you are now or off to something you like.

Worst case scenario is absolute totally destructive failure (not likely), but is that any better than being comfortable in a situation you hate?

Post: #16

What city of 250,000? The only one I can think of is Saskatoon and that is a city known for a lot of Ukrainian and Scandinavian descended people (if you ignore the Amerindians). So of course quality of women is going to decline a lot if you relocate to Vancouver / Toronto which has more British and Asian descended people.


Also if you're "old" - don't you have a nest egg by now? Maybe try completing some easy degree (even online at a place like Athabasca) and then try English teaching abroad.


But keep in mind most of Roosh is kind of like a travel forum in a nutshell (a bias for sure) so I would be surprised if anyone here told you to stay put if you're unhappy.

Post: #17

I am nowhere close to your type of earning but I felt a huge difference in my career pre-wife / pre-kids and post-wife post-kids.

Nowadays I am emotionally detached to my work , I still enjoy it somehow , but I really don't care about the politics at work and about little issues. Work has to be kept to keep an income and must be solely seen as such. The real life is outside work , your own stuff and your kids.

I have had countless days of "what am I doing here in this job with all these retards , what a shit day , I am tired" and all of it ended up when opening the door with my kids running and jumping to hug me and my wife cooking some nice dish.

If you are good enough to make this type of money it also means you are clever enough to find a wife. You may want to look at your standards or else , if you are red-pilled like you seem to be , you simply have to prospect women outside the US. I would estimate about 50 millions of 6;s or 7;s would love to be housewife with the salary you have and build a family.

How old are you ? and how do you look like ?

Post: #18

(01-13-2019 01:57 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 01:49 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  Life is too short to do things you hate every day.

Get out of the scarcity mindset that you wont survive without the job and stop being average

Cosigned.

Don't use the excuse of being older. Lots of older White dudes reinvent themselves down the line. If you've capped out at $115k a year and you've been saving I imagine you have a nice little cushion to fall back on.

Why not use the next year to save, cut expenses and really start investing all your free-time into something you like to do?

Once that year is up put in your resignation letter and move on.

Another idea is to see if you can do the job on a part-time basis so you have more time to work on shit you like to do.

I understand that you have to be "realistic" at some level but try to make the system work for you and not against you.

Whether or not you do anything the days and years will pass and you'll either be stuck where you are now or off to something you like.

Worst case scenario is absolute totally destructive failure (not likely), but is that any better than being comfortable in a situation you hate?

Well the other aspect of his life (and most men in a similar position) is Canadian industry is very cyclical and dependent on the U.S. He could very well have zero choice if everyone in his industry is unemployed within a few years.

I think the Patch first opened in the 1940s or so but they've had decades where pretty much no one was working. The future looks even more uncertain because everyone is slowly making the shift into alternative energies and never mind U.S. is increasing their own oil / gas extraction.

Canada itself is pretty much a 2nd world country pretending to be 1st world. The entire premise of the Canadian economy was "we were China before China". Canada was traditionally the place where American businesses did outsourcing / branch plants before China took over that game in the 1990s. Now Canada doesn't have much to offer the world except passports.

Mining (which Rep. of Chile and Ukraine does) and lumber extraction isn't enough to sustain a 1st world economy so Canada is pretty much dead as soon as real estate implodes.

Post: #19

How old are you now, and do you want a family and kids someday?

Hard to know if the present sacrifice will be worth it or not if we don't know what your future goals are.
Having more money in the bank down the road is never a bad thing, but we won't always know clearly if it was worth it or not, and if we do it will be too late to change the past by then.

I've worked in the oil sands for several years and have saved up 1/2 million. Now I feel I'm ready to get married and have kids. Would I feel this way if I made the choice to not work here? Who knows. Maybe I'd have a better woman, or a worse one, or more or less money. Or better health, or worse.

Post: #20

(01-12-2019 07:39 PM)TheFinalEpic Wrote:  I think that some of the guys on here have it right - work 6 months on and travel the rest of the year. If you can swing that, then that should probably be your goal.

Probably my best option all things considered.

(01-12-2019 07:23 PM)scotian Wrote:  Are you a union or non-union pipefitter?

I am a dues paying union member, however have my name off the list and been working non-union for several years.

(01-12-2019 08:25 PM)Laurifer Wrote:  Man I'm like you in a lot of ways. I saw in another thread you said you're nearing a net worth of one million, so I'd say you're damn near the finish line anyways. Reach that milestone then take a step back, maybe quit working for a bit and go somewhere warm. You could even go back to school since the expense would be negligible at your net worth and then land a job in a 1st tier city to transition into the lifestyle you want.

I'm also a non-stem degree holder in the Alberta blue collar grind. Not saying that's a bad thing, I'm damn lucky to be where I'm at now. I don't even know if I could function in an office/white collar setting at this point lol. Just that in the back of my mind I always feel like I'm supposed to be out there trying to find a career that 'validates' having my education. So many times out in the freezing cold thinking 'I don't even have to fucking be here right now.'

Thing with me is now I do have a seasonal union job that's in-town and now have all the time in the world and I'm in decision paralysis. I'm torn between fucking off somewhere for a bit or going back to my old employer (whose been begging me to come back) in the interim and stacking even more cash. I could set myself up pretty nicely splitting time between a summer and winter job making bank. My own fault if I decide to go do that then bitch about it after. Or I could just work the union job and take the seasonal time off to do whatever I want. I'm just not particularly 'passionate' about the work nor saw myself doing any of this ten years ago.

But grass may not be greener on the other side either. Decision paralysis.

Well that's a good place to be. Most guys out west are up to their eyeballs in mortgage/truck payments and have no room to maneuver. In town work is good too, especially if you are in Edmonton.

I basically have a # of years/$ amount set in my head, and if I am not happy at that point then I go my own way.

(01-13-2019 01:57 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 01:49 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  Life is too short to do things you hate every day.

Get out of the scarcity mindset that you wont survive without the job and stop being average

Cosigned.

Don't use the excuse of being older. Lots of older White dudes reinvent themselves down the line. If you've capped out at $115k a year and you've been saving I imagine you have a nice little cushion to fall back on.

Why not use the next year to save, cut expenses and really start investing all your free-time into something you like to do?

Once that year is up put in your resignation letter and move on.

Another idea is to see if you can do the job on a part-time basis so you have more time to work on shit you like to do.

I understand that you have to be "realistic" at some level but try to make the system work for you and not against you.

Whether or not you do anything the days and years will pass and you'll either be stuck where you are now or off to something you like.

Worst case scenario is absolute totally destructive failure (not likely), but is that any better than being comfortable in a situation you hate?

This really resonates with me. I get the scarcity mentality from my dad. Old scotsman who grew up post world war 2, then moved to Alberta in the 70's and lived through the last Trudeau crash. So all he knows is economic doom and gloom. It is hard to shake this mindset, but the babysteps you guys mentioned are probably a good place to start.

(01-13-2019 03:36 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  I am nowhere close to your type of earning but I felt a huge difference in my career pre-wife / pre-kids and post-wife post-kids.

Nowadays I am emotionally detached to my work , I still enjoy it somehow , but I really don't care about the politics at work and about little issues. Work has to be kept to keep an income and must be solely seen as such. The real life is outside work , your own stuff and your kids.

I have had countless days of "what am I doing here in this job with all these retards , what a shit day , I am tired" and all of it ended up when opening the door with my kids running and jumping to hug me and my wife cooking some nice dish.

If you are good enough to make this type of money it also means you are clever enough to find a wife. You may want to look at your standards or else , if you are red-pilled like you seem to be , you simply have to prospect women outside the US. I would estimate about 50 millions of 6;s or 7;s would love to be housewife with the salary you have and build a family.

How old are you ? and how do you look like ?

That makes a lot of sense. I watch guys who have a wife and kids and they definitely have a different way about them when it comes it work. It is different when you truly need to be there.

I'm 35, white.

(01-13-2019 10:14 AM)christpuncher Wrote:  How old are you now, and do you want a family and kids someday?

Hard to know if the present sacrifice will be worth it or not if we don't know what your future goals are.
Having more money in the bank down the road is never a bad thing, but we won't always know clearly if it was worth it or not, and if we do it will be too late to change the past by then.

I've worked in the oil sands for several years and have saved up 1/2 million. Now I feel I'm ready to get married and have kids. Would I feel this way if I made the choice to not work here? Who knows. Maybe I'd have a better woman, or a worse one, or more or less money. Or better health, or worse.

I am very divided about a wife and kids. For a long time I said I didn't want that life, and I just lived for me. But after finding the red pill, I now see that as short sighted and degenerate.

As opposed to looking for a wife and kids, I am more of the mindset of if I met a girl and was into her enough to be with her for life, then I would go for it. I think it is why we are put on this earth, but I have always struggled with LTRs so for a long time I just resigned myself to pump and dump.

(01-13-2019 03:38 AM)BaatumMania Wrote:  Well the other aspect of his life (and most men in a similar position) is Canadian industry is very cyclical and dependent on the U.S. He could very well have zero choice if everyone in his industry is unemployed within a few years.

I think the Patch first opened in the 1940s or so but they've had decades where pretty much no one was working. The future looks even more uncertain because everyone is slowly making the shift into alternative energies and never mind U.S. is increasing their own oil / gas extraction.

Canada itself is pretty much a 2nd world country pretending to be 1st world. The entire premise of the Canadian economy was "we were China before China". Canada was traditionally the place where American businesses did outsourcing / branch plants before China took over that game in the 1990s. Now Canada doesn't have much to offer the world except passports.

Mining (which Rep. of Chile and Ukraine does) and lumber extraction isn't enough to sustain a 1st world economy so Canada is pretty much dead as soon as real estate implodes.

Canada's economy is a scary place right now. There is no economic growth really. There is work, but a lot of it is government infrastructure spending in power generation facilities (nuclear plants, big hydrodams) which will only last for so long. Live plant maintenance is where most of the industrial trades work is right now. The elites want to turn canada into a 3rd world commie shithole a la south africa.

Is there some work? Yes. Could I get by? Probably. Is the future looking good? That's a hard no. But it comes back to the scarcity mentality too. If I had a wife and kids, I would not want to risk them suffering. But as a single man? You can live on next to nothing.

Post: #21

If you want to remain in the industry and continue making good money but want to get off of the tools then I recommend getting into QA/QC, which is what I do. With your experience as a journeyman pipefitter, I recommend taking the API 570 ticket since you're already familiar with process piping and ASME codes. From there continue on to API 510 (pressure vessels) and/or API 653 (storage tanks), API inspectors make $60-100/hour in Canada as contractors. You could also take the level one CWB visual welding inspector ticket, it costs about $2000 and will increase your welding and inspection knowledge but the market is flooded with those guys right now.

Another alternative that would use your pipefitting experience would be drafting; both SAIT in Calgary and Lambton College in Sarnia offer 8 month fast tracked diplomas in process piping design, the Lambton College course is about half the price of SAIT's. This could lead to a relatively easy office job.

Dude it sounds like you're working too much and not taking enough vacations, I used to chase the big money and make $150K, but now I'm happy with making 80-100K and taking 4-6 months off per year. Lots of guys just work shut downs and stay in Thailand or Mexico for the winter, you may want to try that out. I'm pretty sure I know where you're working, I know it sucks balls, I've been doing this shit out west for 12 years and it's not easy but I do really enjoy the time off and I don't mind working with a bunch of blue collar retards, I find them much easier to deal with than an office full of soy boys and cat ladies. I'm working at a refinery between Saskatoon and Edmonton (you know where I am, it's 30K population) hanging off of ropes in -20C weather isn't fun and it's going down to -30C by next weekend.

Anyway, good luck with your decision, if you stay in the trades keep an eye out for that massive LNG plant they're building in Kitimat, that will be a money maker and I heard that it's going to be 2/2 so you could fly somewhere nice on days off, it's what I'm planning to do!

API tickets: https://www.api.org/products-and-service...ons/api510

SAIT process piping drafting: https://www.sait.ca/programs-and-courses...fast-track

Lambton process piping drafting: https://www.lambtoncollege.ca/ppds/

Whenever you're having a shit day at the refinery and questioning your life decisions, just listen to this song dude:

Post: #22

I agree with Scotian, ease up and take more time off, try work projects and off-roster to places to chill out.

I'm in the mining game, so I work months on and have months off. I love the contrast, and even though the on rosters are hell, I know a magnificent off roster holiday is the prize coming soon.

Spend less, bank that high income to retire early, or just work less and less each year.

At the end of the day, its called WORK for a reason, and life wasn't meant to be easy, and I assure you, if life was easy, you wouldn't be happy anyway.

Post: #23

I often feel this way. I make about the same, single guy now, no gf. I've gotten my job down to 45-50 hours a week.

And there are days when I really, really hate my job. I'm totally over being a chef. I've toyed with the idea of owning my own wine bar but realistically, it would be more of the same, and I'd probably be even more tied down with drastically less time off.

For the OP, my advice:

1) Make sure you give ample time to hobbies that you really enjoy. I have more hobbies than time in the day and I always feel behind, but I feel like this is a good problem to have. Make sure you really appreciate that your high paying job allows you the freedom to enjoy your hobbies to their fullest extent. Out of all my hobbies, whether guitar or motorcycle or gym or wine, I can take each pretty damn far without worrying about money.

2) There's a sort of Buddhist mindset I get into at work that helps me cope with bad days. And that is to lose yourself in your work. Even after 20 years doing this shit, I do my best to get in "Craftsman mode" as I call it and forget all the peripheral shit. Remember why I got into this in the first place.

3) Have a light at the end of the tunnel. Mine is paying off my house so I can rent it out and travel and retire in my 40s.

4) Life works like plateaus. You hit a certain level of success, whether with finances or hobbies or skills or women, and then that no longer satisfies so you have to look to the next level. That next level should be no less challenging than what came before. Sometimes life will throw these new challenges at your but very often you have to create them yourself. Don't be lazy. Take things to the next level.

5) Do something that scares you. A good portion of your workplace misery might just be boredom. I notice that when I do things that are outside of my comfort zone, whether it's approaching women in a grocery store or taking some risks on the motorcycle, that high carries over to other aspects of my life.

6) Keep things in perspective. Making $110k a year offers a lifestyle that 99.99% of the world can only dream of. Don't get caught up wishing you were an instagram billionaire playboy.

7) Act now. If your true dream is to be location independent, there are plenty of resources on this forum. Dedicate 30-60 minutes a day to copywriting or real estate or whatever it is you think will give you that freedom. Start today.

Post: #24

(01-12-2019 11:27 PM)nek Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 01:36 PM)Roosh Wrote:  What would your ideal job/life look like, and what do you think the positives and negatives of that ideal would be?

If I had to point out one main issue holding me back in life, it's my inability to answer this question.

Same with me. Without a goal, we are wandering aimlessly. But the question is so abstract and personal that I haven't been able to answer it yet.

For those who have answered it, any tips?

Post: #25

(01-14-2019 06:16 PM)Gotti Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 11:27 PM)nek Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 01:36 PM)Roosh Wrote:  What would your ideal job/life look like, and what do you think the positives and negatives of that ideal would be?

If I had to point out one main issue holding me back in life, it's my inability to answer this question.

Same with me. Without a goal, we are wandering aimlessly. But the question is so abstract and personal that I haven't been able to answer it yet.

For those who have answered it, any tips?

I don't think there's an end goal per se, but an overall story outline.

Most people would like to travel and see and experience certain things. The bucket list.

A large majority of my bucket list is complete. Eaten the best food, drank the best wine, fucked very beautiful women, threesomes, near death experiences, adventures, seen some cool sights, taken many drugs...a man can't complain.

Beyond that there are deeper things that call out to a man, things that provide deeper satisfaction like having children or attaining some sort of spiritual peace.

Those are mine, anyway. Children is a large investment that no man wants to fuck up. Having a stable family in a healthy community with the support of society is a nice goal, and something we discuss frequently. If you can do that while maintaining spiritual peace, passing along everything you possibly can onto the next generation and ensuring your bloodline continues and prospers, I can think of no greater goal.